2011 Nuggets' Free Agency: Part 1: Restricted Free Agents
Once the NBA lockout is over with, free agency will start, and the Nuggets need to figure out what to do with their seven players that will enter free agency. Currently, the Nuggets have 3 restricted free agents and 4 unrestricted free agents. For those who don't know the difference between the two types of free agency, here's a simple breakdown: Unrestricted free agents are free to contact and sign with any team that they want, and they are not required to take their previous team's offer even if it pays more. Restricted free agents, on the other hand, are required to go to their previous team if the previous team gives the player a qualifying offer and if they match, dollar-for-dollar, the offer of another team. For more information regarding restricted/unrestricted FA, check out this helpful link.
Note: I know that the new CBA may radically change free agency, but my predictions and recommendations are going to use the NBA's current FA rules, and I'm not even going to try to speculate how the new CBA will turn out.
So follow me after the jump as I discuss the situation surrounding the Nuggets' three restricted free agents: Arron Afflalo, Wilson Chandler, and Gary Forbes!
Arron Afflalo
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Basic Information: Arron Afflalo is a 25 year old shooting guard with 4 years under his belt. He's 6'5" and 215 lbs., and he has arguably been the Nuggets' best wing defender since coming over in a salary dump by the Pistons. He's coming off the fourth and final year of his rookie contract, which paid him around $1.96 million. Last season, Afflalo averaged 12.2 points, 3.6 rebounds, and 2.4 rebounds in 33.7 minutes per game while shooting a very efficient 50% FG, 42% 3ptFG, and 85% FT. Full stats here
What Afflalo is worth: Although his qualifying offer is $3 million, Afflalo is definitely worth over $7 million when you consider his production, his position as our starting SG, his offense and defense skills, and the amount of money similar shooting guards are getting paid now and have gotten paid in the past (see: Raja Bell, Wesley Matthews (except Afflalo is better than both of those players)).
What we should do: In this weak free agent class, Afflalo could very well be one of the best shooting guards available, and leaving him on the market increases the possibility that some team will strike out on, say, JR or Crawford and offer an overpaid deal to Afflalo. Thus, I say that we offer him a 4 year, $34 million contract that pays him $8 million in year one with a $250k raise every year. That is a bit of a lowball from the perspective of some people, but if Afflalo asks for more we could raise that number. Afflalo is one of our best wing players, and he also has a very nice motor and work ethic; it'd be a shame if we lose him in free agency, as the Lawson-Afflalo-Gallinari backcourt lineup showed lots of promise last season when they were healthy.
Wilson Chandler
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Basic Information: Wilson Chandler is a 6'8", 225 lbs. combo forward with four years of NBA experience under his belt. He doesn't have a specialty; rather, he is a jack-of-all-trades but master-of-none in the mold of Manu Ginobili. Last season, he averaged 12.5 points, 5 rebounds, and 1.6 assists in 30.6 minutes per game for the Nuggets (his stats were higher with the Knicks, but that's because he was their starting power forward and he got more minutes there). Chandler's jumper is decent, as is his post game. He's a bit undersized for power forward, and his field goal percentage of 41.4% is a bit subpar for a forward (although injuries and inconsistent playing time may have played a role). Chandler's FT rate of 80.5% and 3ptFG% of 35% are pretty good, but his Win Shares per 48 minutes of 0.037 wasn't so great (for comparison purposes, Afflalo's WS/48 was 0.128, Gallinari's was 0.133, Lawson's was 0.153, and Nene's was 0.201).
What Chandler is worth: Chandler is probably worth around $6.5 to $7 million, although players of his type are often overpaid; even Travis Outlaw was able to command a 5 year, $7 million per year deal. The best comparison to Chanadler is Marvin Williams, who managed to get over $7 million per from Atlanta even though he wasn't worth that much. However, this year is an anomaly, and there's a chance that we could keep Chandler for a fair price.
What the Nuggets should do: Personally, I believe that a wait-and-see approach is best regarding Chandler. There's actually a decent chance that we can retain him without breaking the bank, but if a team like Minnesota randomly decides to offer him a 5 year, $40 million contract then we can refuse and let him walk; we have a bit of a jam at the 3 with Faried and Gallinari (and Hamilton), and Chandler is a guy who we could probably replace with a cheaper, lesser-known free agent without a huge drop in production.
Gary Forbes
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Basic Information: Last year was Gary Forbes' first year in the NBA. Previously, he played for several Italian teams and the NBADL's Sioux Falls Skyforce. I don't really have much to say about Forbes because he didn't see a lot of playing time, averaging 12.6 minutes, 5 points, 1.8 rebounds, and 0.8 assists per game with 45% FG shooting. Forbes is a hustler and a hard worker who can probably survive in the NBA for several more years as a Ryan Bowen-like energy player.
What Forbes is worth: I'd say that Forbes is worth around $2 million a year. Ideally, we'd be able to lock him down for a Balkman-type deal of 3 years and $5 million.
What we should do: It depends on how the rest of our roster shapes out; while Forbes isn't a bad player, it currently seems that he doesn't have a future with this team, especially when you consider that Kenneth Faried will play the role of energy player next season.
Here's Nate's post on exactly the same thing that I should have known existed. Damn it. Sorry, Nate, and thanks for the heads-up.
Also, you should check out Zachm219's FanPost regarding Free Agency and our monetary situation, as well as the intricate cap rules that will soon be demolished (but will be replaced by rules that'll be even more involuted).
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I'll write up Part 2: Unrestricted Free Agents sometime in the next week
OT: I had no clue that Ryan Bowen was on the University of Iowa coaching staff. Cool.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Nice work Lack, I wrote up a similar recap earlier this off-season: click here. But I like your predictions on what they should get paid. Again, nice work.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 13, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks
And I was inactive on DS for several months, so I didn’t see your Exit Interviews. You value Chandler more than I do, as I believe that while he is a good player, his production is more easily replaceable than that of, say, JR or Nene. Chandler’s Win Shares per 48 minutes is surprisingly low (0.037) given both his production and his contribution to the game. I value WS/48 the most of any b-ball stat because it shows the whole picture; statistics like PER focus primarily on either offense or defense but rarely both.
If only basketball had a stat like Wins Above Replacement (WAR)… that would be amazing!
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
I also think that Chandler’s age (only 24) allows him for more improvement than people expect – but potential is always a funny thing.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 14, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Especially when your ankles are already effed.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 14, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
It's often sickening how often people throw around the word "potential" regarding NBA players
I’d say that said “potential” isn’t realized at least 70-80% of the time. Also, Chandler hasn’t really improved since the 2008-09 season, and I just don’t see how he can improve more, as he isn’t particularly athletic and he’s never going to be a dead-eye jump shooter in the mold of Durant.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
I picked Nene
because I think his skill set is harder to replace than AAA. I’d like to keep both of them on the team. I think giving AAA the contract you suggest is more than I hope they have to pay to sign him.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 13, 2011 4:10 PM MDT reply actions
Nene.
But I can’t believe you have Faried mentioned as a 3.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
We could play big-ball with Faried-Nene-Mozgov
I’d like to see opposing teams try to score on that lineup
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Haha I know, but Faried as a 3 just sounds crazy!
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 13, 2011 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions
another "potential"
Faried and Mozgov are totally unproven players at this point – they might not even start and yet we are saying they’ll shut down other teams’ lineups??
i picked nene
but afflalo is pretty damn valuable himself.
nene is just more valuable to the Nugs because we dont have another front court player on the roster who can score in the post.
but IMO
JR is no where close to as valuable to the Nugs as either afflalo or Nene. Afflalo plays both ways efficiently and is getting better and better, and nene is a scoring frontcourt player something we lack already (u really need 2 guys who can score on the block, that way one can always be out there during a game) let alone if we cant get him resigned.
Afflalo is boss.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 17, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
pick JR
nene and afflalo are gonna be overpaid, with JR you hope he figures it out sooner rather than later (like next season)
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
This is Forty08.
Hard choice
As a huge JR fan, but I went with Nene. Can’t find his production and skill set everyday
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None of these guys have everyday skills and/or heart,
big men are just more valuable, imo.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 13, 2011 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions
You cannot question Afflalo's heart and dedication
JR, with all his showboating, is also a very dedicated player who Karl is/was a bit harsh on at times. Nene, on the other hand, may have been a hard worker during practice but there were times during games when he seemed a bit disconnected; he would oftentimes pass up an easy layup with 5 secs on the shotclock to a perimeter guy who would have to pull up for the 3, sometimes with a hand in his face, in order to get the shot off before the clock expires.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Shortcomings:
Afflalo: Natural physical talent
JR: Consistency
Nene: Aggressiveness
All 3 fall short in one area or another, but are mostly amazing. Hence why it boils down to Nene’s extra size for me. Just more rare.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 13, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Ehh true
I just feel that Nene will get horribly overpaid….
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
You are certainly correct. Not really part of
the discussion yet though. Barring that, he is my priority.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 13, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Totally agree...
and as for past performance and proven actual play, Nene is best, Jr is second and AAA is potential yet to be seen…
Hey Army...
I agree – ’love JR – but team value – Nene – also, I just thought of something – Nene is a MUCH bigger head case than JR !!! :)
I don't see how
Nene seems very cautious at times and tries to get everyone involved. That is his problem. JR goes for 35 points then disappears. I love JR as a player and entertainer, but if he had the same mindset as Nene, consistency, we would be clamoring to have him back.
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by Army of Nugs on Jul 16, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Or the same mindset as AAA,
He’d be a jordan-caliber player.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 17, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
What the heck?
I somehow just embedded the same video three times… and I don’t know how to fix it
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Never mind
I somehow fixed it by (literally) pounding my keyboard. Cool.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Hooah
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by Army of Nugs on Jul 13, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I see this as a 1 guy question
AAA has stated Denver is the only place he wants to be. Other GMs know this and they may not even try. He’s a lock to remain. As much as I like Gary Forbes, it doesn’t really matter if he says or not. At most i see us giving him a 3 year 3 million deal in a scaled back cba. So as far as restricted free agents go, chandler is the only real question. IMO, chandler is a piece of melo to us now. We can’t allow him to walk away for nothing and I think he knows we won’t let him go. Why? he had been working out with ty prior to the lockout at our practice facility. Worst case scenario, I see a sign and trade.
As I understand it we can't sign and trade Chandler
because his incoming trade was too recent. I believe we have to sign him and keep him until Dec 15 (in a normal season…). IMO that is our only choice to get something back for him, and it gives us (and him) a chance to see how he fits. He may not fit that well, in fact, since it looks like his role would be 6th man playing some 2 and some 3. If we can sign him at a fair price it will be easy to trade him for a good return.
For my money, AAA is worth 7m a year and should be made co-captain with Ty. The Nuggs have started turning a page and they need to finish turning it and start a new chapter.
The rule is either 3 months or December 13, whichever one comes later, but this usually only applies to free agent signings (I think)
Which team actually has a need for Chandler, though? Sacramento might have one, but Chandler wouldn’t get a whole lot of playing time there because their roster is a mess and they have too many forwards. He’d fit in pretty well in OKC, but I’m not sure that we want to trade with our division rivals.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Whoops
December 15, like you mentioned.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Nets
have a major need at wing, Knicks probably wld want him back, Orl would kill for him but ahve no pieces, Cle wld definately want him, Sac potentially but they just made a big salmons commitment but they need SFs not SGs. ATL might want him, Bobcats, Det, Hou (they cld use to move a PF/C for a SF/PF depending on how much they trust budinger and twill to man the spot), LAC needs a SF bad, TOR, possibly Pho but i doubt it,
However, they already have a similar (albeit lesser) player to Chandler in Outlaw
I’d say that Prince or Kirilenko would fit better, and they’d certainly be cheaper than Outlaw as well.
I can see Prokhorov really targetting Nene, as Lopez has regressed significantly this past season and Hump seems to be a case of contract year phenomenon. Williams-Morrow/Brooks-Prince-Nene-Lopez/Somebody else would definitely make the playoffs.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
I'm a fan of holding onto chandler
if we do eventually move him, the only logical choice is the clippers. They have minny’s unrestriced 2012 pick available, and a really bad need for a sf. Chandler could be the piece to take them to the playoffs.
Baron Davis would be an absolutely horrible fit on this team anyways
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
And
they wouldn’t have to give up anything to get him. Anyone calling to take Davis and his contract would be given assets by the cavs.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 15, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
AAA...
More “potential” – the guy has never put up anything but average to mediocre numbers, yet because he “works hard” and “has a good attitude”, he is our next superstar – we don’t have any “proven scorers” on this team – think about it.
he was like top 10 3pt shooter league wide last year
How is that mediocre?
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 17, 2011 2:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Shh, don't tell anyone
Don’t want to raise his value
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
re-sign the rfa's &let the ufa's walk EXCEPT NENE,try sign him,other wise save the money 4 the following off season,ley kmart,smith& the other ufa's walk &dnt look back
by ice357 on Jul 22, 2011 10:34 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
In that case, who would fill out the rest of the roster?
Strtn Lineup?: lwsin@pgAflalo@sgGalinari@sfKF/Bird/?pf???c
Bench: miller@pg?@sgChanadler@sfSomebody?!?pfMozgov/Koufosc
2 the dleague: hamilton, forbes
We’d need 4 more players, including two starting big men… this is why Nene is so important
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
heheh. Pf#$%@CHANADELER cn ply the5!
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 22, 2011 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions

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