The next season new 'new look' Denver
by danherb on May 6, 2011 3:37 PM MDT
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PrintHi fellows, I made this detailed scheme, with salaries to pay for new arrivals I think we should sign in (R)FA and for those who GOT to resign with us; who should be traded (IMO), etc. The pick for the draft is based on an article that came out about a week ago, saying that Kyle Singler will be a Nugget next season. I think it's a good pick. He's already 23, very mature and competitive and has been a starter for four years at Duke. He has everything it takes to be a very good option in the rotation and succesfull in NBA. SO, this is how I think The Nuggets should look like to next season:
2010/2011 ----- 2011/2012
US$ 65,870,000 --- US$ 63,700,000 (+ rookie salary)
Players to come :
(R)FA:
PPG RPG APG
Marc Gasol Grizzlies C 12.6 7.8 2.2 ($10,200,000 plus +/- 10% each contract year)
Carl Landry Hornets PF 12.1 5.1 0.7 ($5,500,000)
Jamal Crawford Hawks PG 14.2 1.7 3.2 ($9,000,000)
Draft:
Kyle Singler Duke SF/PF 16.9 6.8 1.6 (it was said Denver will pick him)
Trade:
Wesley Matthews Blazers SG 15.9 3.1 2.0 ($6,800,000)
Leaving:
Kenyon Martin free agent - leaves
J.R. Smith free agent - leaves
Melvin Ely free agent - leaves
Gary Forbes free agent - leaves
Raymond Felton trade
Al Harrington trade } Wesley Matthews + draft pick.
Chris Andersen trade
Staying:
Nene free agent - resign ($12,500,000)
Wilson Chandler free agent - resign ($4,600,000)
Arron Afflalo free agent - resign ($4,500,000)
+
Timofey Mozgov ($2,560,000)
Kosta Koufos ($2,200,000)
Danilo Gallinari ($4,190,000)
Ty Lawson ($1,650,000)
Roster:
Centers:
Marc Gasol
Timofey Mozgov
Kosta Koufos
Forwards:
Nene
Danilo Gallinari
Carl Landry
Wilson Chandler
Kyle Singler
Guards:
Ty Lawson
Arron Afflalo
Jamal Crawford
Wesley Matthews
Line-up: Ty Lawson, Arron Afflalo, Danilo Gallinari, Nene, Marc Gasol.
This is something realistic, that can be achieved, and looks pretty good to me.
What do you think, stiffs?
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no way gasol, landry, afflalo and chandler will be that cheap
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
2011 Offseason Pickups: Trade Felton and Harrington
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Whoa
I agree with Rys, I don’t really see how that lineup is better than the one we have right now.
Also, we’ll be paying over $80 million a year for them, which will be a double disaster.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
We'll never get to pay $80 million for those players,
if we really overpay them it’s unlikely to pass the $70 million mark.
And I think this roster is better then last year’s, for sure, replacing the bench warmers JR, Felton and Birdman with Crawford (who can score off the bench as well as Swish), Matthews (excelent shooter) and Gasol – Moz and Koufos backing him up -, and KMart with Landry (actualy, with Nene starting at PF and Landry off the bench), and yet Singler who can be more usefull than Ely and Forbes toghether.
Dude
Never underestimate the ease in which NBA teams overpay average players in a weak free-agent pool.
You also don’t think anything about defense, it seems. That team may be able to put out a few more points on offense, but they’ll give up the same amount on defense, and you never know if Crawford will blend in (he’s the type of player whose inconsistent play will rightly warrant an extended benching from George Karl)
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
way too much
money for crawford,
Nugs wont go over cap siginifigantly anymore, The K’s pretty much said that.
still doubt it will happen
but I agree with whoever said we should draft a young guy with sky high potential for the future, as opposed to drafting someone who can help us now… no one we could get at pick 22 is gonna be better than what we have now, we should be looking at developing someone for 2-3 years down the road
We suck at developing players
It’s better to draft a Ty Lawson type player (or an Arron Afflalo-type, although we didn’t draft him) than to try a pick on somebody like Rodney White.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
That only works...
because they have/had a core of Duncan-Ginobili-Parker to build around. Before they drafted Ginobili and Parker, they had David Robinson (one of the best centers in NBA history)
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
what do you have against suckin for a few seasons.
at this point it’s obvious that there has to be some moves to be made, and cIeanin house wouIdnt be a bad thing, because this thing that’s goin on now isnt workin.
by Rys on May 7, 2011 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
The problem with the plan listed above
Is that it will keep us where we are except with HUGE salaries locked up to two players who are, at best, the 3rd or 4th options on a contending team.
Another problem is that if we sign Marc Gasol to a max (disaster waiting to happen) and Jamal Crawford to $9 mil a season (another disaster waiting to happen), we won’t have enough money to sign Lawson, Gallinari, and other young players who are much better than Gasol and Crawford.
Also, Carl Landry will command more than $5.5 million a season, and signing Jamal “30-year old JR Smith” Crawford to $9 million a season is just dumb.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Bird Rights
we could resign no problem. This team right here is a 52+ win team. Gasol+Nene with Moz and Landry off of bench is really good Frontline. + Galo @ 3 is amazing.
This also makes it so Karl cannot play the stooopid 2 PG lineup because Jamal is an amazing 2 guard who can handle like a 1.
I think this is a brilliant idea to be honest.
in fact i did this in NBA 2k11 in association and i LOVE IT.
Crawford is naStAy
haha
bird rights no prob?
is that your check book i see those paychecks being written from. No way the Kroekes go that far over the cap, especially without a marketable superstar.
The days of being a top 4 payroll team are over.
yeah why pay that much money for 1st round and out seasons.
the probIem is not the owner, it’s the roster not goin anywhere, and a Iarge part of that is because of the Iow expectations coachin and not utiIizing the teams taIent effectiveIy at aII.
if the team had a decent coach, we probabIy couId have made it farther than the 1st round on a few occasions, and the front office can then reaIIy see what they have with the pIayers on the rosters and make moves then, but because karI wont pIay any one, we have to get pIayers with no upside, and pretty much go into the season with Iow 1st round out expectations.
by Rys on May 9, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions
NBA 2k11 and many other NBA-related video games don't account enough for defense
I’ve played them before, and while some of you may think I’m too obsessed with defense, it’s pretty obvious that our team could definitely be better on the defensive end (which is what many of us have been saying ever since 2005, but w/e).
Crawford may be able to score a lot of points on offense, but he isn’t all that efficient and his shooting has become more and more inconsistent, especially in the past several months. Crawford also sucks at defense.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
hate to break it to you
But Bleacherreport is an ameture website that anyone including you or myself can write on. This has 0% credibility
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by NastyNessy71 on May 10, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
bleacherreport was not the only site to publish it
I read this news in many other sites… they just took it from one of these sites and posted there too.
Kyle Singler?
oh god no
Signatures are for wimps.
by George Karl Marx on May 6, 2011 11:12 PM MDT reply actions
Not Gonna Happen
Memphis will match any offer to Gasol. No way they let him walk for nothing. I actually getting Crawford at a reasonable price. Nuggets need a couple of dead-eye shooters (Crawford and/or Dunleavy would be great).
The problem is that Crawford isn't that great of a shooter
He’s a good scorer for sure, but I’m not really sure about his shooting.
Gallinari is a pretty damn good shooter IMO. Afflalo shoots nearly 45% from behind the arc. Lawson has a decent developing 25-foot shot, but he needs to shoot it more instead of deferring to brick-kings like Al Harrington.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
THIS YEARS FA CLASS IS BENCH ONLY!!!!!
1. LETS C WHAT WE HAVE IN MOZ& KK.? 2. SG= AAA&CHANDLER. 3. PG=LAWSON &? 4. SF=GALLO&? 6. F/C=? 7. G/F=FORBES. NW PLZ FILLIN THE? MARKS
To tell the truth...
Moz is still a year or two away from being a legit NBA starting center, and Koufos will be a career backup. However, that doesn’t mean that you can’t experiment with giving those two more minutes.
We need a backup point guard. Kirk Hinrich, anybody?
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Now you're just pulling straws
Forbes is a great energy guy, but if we were to put him at PG his assist:turnover ratio would be barely above one. For purposes of comparison, Lawson’s ast:TO ratio is around 2.4, and league average for point guards is around 2.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
ive heard this a lot that Moz and Koufos suck
But based on what? Mozgov kinda looks good to me, and Moz hasn’t even seen enough time to tell. Koufos is BIG and athletic, so who’s to say he can’t put it together?? I never understand the hate these two guys get. At least wait until they’ve sucked for a season to start hatin’ on them.
Also No One is pulling Marc Gasol away from Griz. and Jamal Crawford would have been a nice pickup three years ago not now.
by InboundingLobPass on May 8, 2011 8:05 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
HERE are sme food 4 thought&idc if i get booted!!!!
Our sg’s are #4&5(aaa&wc), our pg’s (lawson& forbes- nt goen 2 push lawson&knows his role), our c’s(mozgov&kk), our sf’s (galllo&?), then our pf’s(?&?). The 7 deep we have =$35.1 mill &if the cap is 48 mill, we would b bout 13 mill under 2 really b a force
No, that wouldn't
That team looks like the Bizarro Warriors.
Granted, we’d have a good deal of cap room, but you just can’t have the best three players on your team be Gallo, Lawson, and Afflalo, as great as they are. You’d need a (2008-09 season) David Lee or Kevin Love type player to fill out the team, and we won’t be able to get either of them.
With that being said, a Lawson-Afflalo-Gallo-Love-Mozgod lineup would be pretty darn sick.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
he doesnt handle
the ball well enough to be a full time SG. dont know if he has the ball skills to run a fast break, or to take his man off the dribble (from a sg perspecetive, from a SF perspective he is fast enough to do just that) consistently enough to be a starting full time SG. he is more of a SF, on the defensive end he is an amsazing SG tho.
I believe he played a lot of 2 guard
in 09 for NY…. he was much more effective playing SF last year, his stats will prove that
my thoughts exactly
his lack of handling skills is what makes him more of a SF…. but he can defend both positions pretty well
dreaming
I don’t think anybody’s going to want Harrington or Bird in any kind of trade, unless they can get packaged up with somebody else. Shame they couldn’t have been shipped out with Melo.
I worry that no FA’s are going to want to play for the Nuggets.
The Nuggets need to get drastically better at finding gems late in the draft, and developing talent. That’s the best shot for this franchise to turn into a contender. If they try tanking for a good draft pick, we’ll have to worry about that high draft pick turning out like Melo.
"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan
The Nuggets need to get drastically better at finding gems late in the draft, and developing talent.
hopefully the new 2 headed FO monster can do just that…..
yep, that's our only hope
"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan
by ParkHillNative on May 9, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I would rather try to get OJ Mayo and/or Rudy Gay from the Grizzles. Also It sound like Philly is going to put Iggy on the trading block!
so.....
should we let AAA walk and go after Iggy? or start Iggy and bring AAA off the bench?
I’m just not sold on him being a SF full time but he wouldn’t be redundant playing next to AAA so I guess I really don’t know……..
wow I sound like a politician or something
Affllalo and Iggy would work pretty well together
Iggy’s main weakness is his long-range jump shot, and IMO Afflalo has one of the nicest 3-point shots in the league.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
where does Gallo go?
PF and Nene C? So we can have another undersized team?
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by NastyNessy71 on May 10, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I would say
they could play together in spots… Maybe Iggy could play some point?
Start Iggy over AAA and have AAA come of the bench? I dunno…. don’t think it’s gonna happen anyways
We ain't gonna get
Wes mathiews for Harrington and Bird. It just won’t happen. The numbers don’t even match
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