Denvers Next frontcourt player
by nsink on May 4, 2011 9:27 AM MDT
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Well here we go.
Offseason 2011, almost as bad as season 2010-11 in terms of mix up and drama.
Kenyon, JR, Nene (if opts out), ely. FAs
WC, AAA, Forbes RFAs
thats 3 front court players (well 2 really, but our starting 2).
now we did get the Moz, and Kousfos, and we still have Al harrington, but to think that can get it done in the NBA, is living in a fairy tale land.
Hopefully, we can get Nene to sign and extenison and possibily bring Kenyon back on the cheap,
either way its time to start thinking about our frontcourt for the future. Kenyons is faded, and Nene is no spring chicken either.
available PFs and C -
UFA's
David West (way to risky in my opinion and doesnt really give the Nugs much, a smaller nene with a little more range)
Glen Davis (ugh, if we wanna get an even smaller david west)
Hilton armstrong, jason collins, etan thomas, and josh powell ( leave em, unless dwight goes LA, then get collins as a dwight stopper bench guy, none are big enough upgrade from Moz and Kouf to waste our time with)
Shaq - old
Krstic - nah, another white stiff but older
troy murphy - only if we were contending even then he doesnt supply us with the tough inside presence we'll need if kenyon goes, plus he is old.
Kwame - hah
Pryz - interesting, if we kept nene could go the athletic pf defensive C route mephis has, but he is old and injury prone
Kurt thomas - he is still alive?
Tyson chandler -too old and Cuban will overpay
Wilcox - ugh
Hayes - interesting but if paired with nene then a total waste, two undersized guys who dont rebound or defend the rim well. if we lose nene then possible poor mans replacement.
Yao - seems way too risky for my liking.
McRobert - not bad but if he's our starting frontcourt answer we are in for a lot of lotto balls
Craig smith - tough cld be a good enforcer if kenyon leaves, not starting caliber
theo ratliff, joe smith - pass
Erick Dampier, Juwan Howard, Jamaal Magloire - if we wanted to party like it was 1999
Eddy Curry - hahahahahaha
Humpheries - bet he resigns, like his rebounding and grit, but he isnt really starting caliber either and is just a glorified (cause he bangs kim kardashian) McRoberts
Landry - cldnt be paired with Nene, seems better suited as a 6th man, but does now how to score in the frontcourt something that is lacking this offseason in the FA market.
Mbenja - eh
Nazr mohammed - wldnt mind as a back up but we dont need a bench full of 7 footers that cant score we have two in Moz and Kouf.
Darius Songaila, Tony Battie, malik allen - pass
Sammy D - interesting, cld be an excellant pairing with nene, maybe our best FA choice, but i wldnt pay what his last contract cost for him. 12 a year
reggie evans - we need a rebounder, but he is a hole offensively.
frensnko - reunite the kouf
RFAs
Yi -if u call him a frontcourt player, wld give us an all-star tho with all those chinese votes
Joey dorsey - an even poorer mans glen davis
Greg oden - biggest boom or bust FA available (well RFA), if we hit we cld be immediate contendors if not throw away a couple dozen million, i dont even think he is insurable anymore
Thaddeus young, spencer hawes - Id guess they keep young, wldnt really want him he is a sf/pf like gallo and WC. Spencer is another white stiff, but not a tough one.
Jason smith - pass
brendan wright - actually kind of like him, but doesnt really help our size and toughness quotient in the frontcourt as he is a slight pf who plays kinda like a SF
Marc Gasol - if we kept nene, perfect compliment, we'd be memphis but better. however he is going to be pricey to acquire via an RFA market.
DeAndre jordan - wld love to get jordans athletisim and Defense out of the Center position and move Nene to pf, still young, inconsistent, lacking offense and not sure how high of a ceiling considering he will get pricey to acquire via RFA< will take a lot for them not to match
Jonas Jerbko - i really like him, but he isnt what we need, another sf/pf type
Jeff green - they are matching him for whatever, since he cost them perkins.
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didnt put option players in since i believe most will accept since the new CBA will be more restriciting (of course our main one is the most likely to not accept his option)
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not much out there really. true difference makers and potential starters only appear to be Marc Gasol, Greg Oden, and DeAndre Jordan, and maybe Sammy Dalmebert, all RFAs except Sammy D. West depending on how he returns from injury can be a difference maker, dont think he would play well with nene, but as a replacement maybe.
I think our best shot for the future of the nugs may be in the one thing the Nuggets avoid like the plague, the NBA draft. Nugs pick at 22
Prospects projected for mid-late 1st rd or later PF/Cs
Morris twins - think either would be nice for the Nugs. probably will go too early
Dontas Motiejunas- probably goes too high, but a 7 footer, although a euro one. good scorer, passer, and smart, but thin and weak.
Faried - a little small, but a great rebounder and shot blocker only 6-8, but atheltic with good hops and wingspan. a tenacious little rebounder we could use. has asthma tho, will Mile High altitude impact. compared to Rodman, will probably go a little too high,
Lucas Nogueira - yes, Nene will definately resign then. big, rebounds, and defends, and we could corner the brazilian market.
Trey Thompkins - not super athletic, but one of the better offense Frontcourt prospects we cld feasible nab, solid rebounder and shot-blocker also.
Justin Harper - stretch 4, id prefer a true paint beast. good in open court tho, which shld be Nugs game with Lawson. labled soft and a subpar rebounder though.
Jon Leuer - good shooting big, but not a big rebounder or athletic specimen.
JaJuan Johnson - shot blocker, athletic, big, but seems to have a poor bball IQ.
Keith Benson - long atheltic, but labled as cant defend positon, not a good sign, but maybe hess can turn him into a beast.
Jordan Williams - labled as one of the true low post players in the draft, a little undersized at 6-10 tho, strong physical but doesnt have perimeter game or quickness.
Nikola Vucevic - good shooter, decent rebounder, not super athletic, or a good passer.
Jeremy Tyler - ?s skipped High school and college, cant be too smart. but big and atheltic, and may fall due to choice to not paly american ball currently in japan.
Joffrey Lauvergne - young and athletic, but needs some time. only 19. good shooter, needs strength, french.
Reggie Johnson - has conditioning issues, but a huge center at 300 lbs, only 6 10 tho. good rebounder and scorer in paint, physical.
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after looking at the Fa's and the draft, it may be better for the nugs to try and acquire a PF/C in the draft, maybe even buy another pick, or get another one in a felton/WC trade, and get 2 frontcourt prospects.
hopefully we can resign Nene tho, but we still need to be getting more athletic and young in the frontcourt.
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I agree with you picks for anybody who would actually be worth it to sign.
sadly…doubt any of those players want to come to Denver. Any team looking to add size will be looking at these same players as well. Notably New York and Miami off the top of my head.
Also…I think Marc Gasol stays. Locked up Rudy Gay…locked up Conley…locked up Z-bo…just need Gasol now.
free agent class sucks
blow the team up and start all over.
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2011 Offseason Pickups: Trade Felton and Harrington
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That's what's going to happen
unfortunately, for our piece of shit front office and ownership group, “starting over” means spending as little money as possible on the team while allowing all existing contracts to expire, and signing a bunch of bottom of the barrel veterans to vet minimum contracts. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Shaq or Zydrunas Ilgauskas here next year.
by jungle jiminez on May 6, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
u will always have to overpay for big men
we’re better off drafting them in the next 2 drafts and building the team around ty. we can get the biyombo guy with our 1st round pick this year. and dangle felton for another pick.
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2011 Offseason Pickups: Trade Felton and Harrington
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draft nougeira
so we can have nene and bebe!
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throw money at Gasol especially
he is really exactly what we need. who cares if we over pay him, he’s a young skilled 7footer with almost no injury history. how often does that come around? it’s better than overpaying for a wing player.
deandre is a second option that would be a pretty good fit with his athleticism, although he doesn’t bring much offensively. other than that forget FA, let’s run with what we’ve got. just draft the best player available at our pick, since really there isn’t anybody who’s irreplaceable on this team now.
$10.5M w 10.5% increases each year?
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
2011 Offseason Pickups: Trade Felton and Harrington
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Ehh
he is really exactly what we need. who cares if we over pay him, he’s a young skilled 7footer with almost no injury history. how often does that come around? it’s better than overpaying for a wing player.
My opinion is that we shouldn’t overpay for anybody.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
what part of he's a restricted free agent do people not understand?
Memphis WILL match any offer, up to the max. There is zero question about that.
by jungle jiminez on May 6, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
then good, make them match it
they are going to be so far over the cap they’re gonna have to trade rudy gay. memphis is the lowest revenue team in the league don’t tell me they’re okay with paying gasol, randolph, gay and conely boatloads of money. just ain’t happening.
Marc Gasol would be sweet
but he is staying in Memphis. DeAndre would be my next guess and I really like his game. He’s gonna be the next Ibaka but bigger. He is nasty and would be sweet next to Nene (if Nene stays). A lot of this offseason is contigent on Nene. If Nene leaves then I think you trade Felton for picks, sign back AAA long term, Wilson for however long you want, JR (just for me please), let Kenyon walk and work on molding Gallo, Ty, Moz, Kouf, and whatever players you draft. Establish a leader (most likely Ty and AAA) and hopefully that only takes a year. May miss the playoffs, but I’d rather have a young functional team than a team that is nothing better than a 2 and done. If Nene resigns then I think you either keep Felton or try to flip him for a complimenting big that is maybe better than this FA class. Maybe to ATL with Harrington and this years pick for Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford? Idk if that is even a likely option but i do believe ATL has a lot of money locked up in JJ and Horford so it all depends on if they really value Josh Smith as that 3rd piece. I don’t know if Josh would be the best compliment to Nene but he is better than Kenyon and certainly would pose an extremely freakish front court. It should be interesting and like I said I think a lot is depending on what Nene does. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Greg Oden wearing powder blue next year on a 5 year 6 mil per contract whil Nene is running with Roy, Dre and LMA in Portland. I just hope if Nene does leave, that we at least get a pick or something from him.
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by NastyNessy71 on May 4, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
They can't resign Gasol if they resign Randolph
they don’t have the cap for it.
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i think they can due to the bird exception
but that would put them WAY over the cap and Memphis is 2nd lowest franchise in revenue. hard to see them spending that much money unless they win a championship this year or come very very close
thats extremly a high opinion of felton
to get Josh smith, and crawford for felton and a toxic contract.
would probably take Felton and a sign and traded Wilson chandler to get josh smith.
and after this playoff run (especially if they take this series) id guess they stay intact (except for letting jamal walk).
David West is a better player than Nene in terms of
offense and rebounding, though his defense is suspect, he still would be a great compliment to Lawson just because he can hit 10-15 foot jumpers on a regular basis, which is not Nene’s strength.
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Sign and trade for Oden or Jordan
Gasol will command too much money and isn’t really a 20/10/3 guy anyway plus no chance Memphis lets him walk.
LAC need a true PG and Felton isn’t sounding like he is happy coming off the bench regardless of PT, so a package revolving around Jordan/Felton would work.
They could use Mo Williams as their 6th man spark, but there is not a lot there other than Griffin that looks appetising for us.
Portland already have Miller (1 year guaranteed with a team option for the year after that), but I am sure they wouldn’t mind a better distributor at the PG spot and they have pieces that could be interesting so more chance of a S&T I guess.
Oden won’t be injured forever and considering how raw he is, “career” averages of 12/9/1 are already higher than Nene’s (12/7/1).
I wouldn't even try to pick a big at 22 this year unless Lucas Nogueira slides
And despite his upside he wouldn’t help us next year anyway – he’s long long long, but he looks twelve, honestly. Otherwise there’s no one better than Mos or Koufos. Don’t forget, Mos was pushing his way into the rotation when he got injured, so Karl is willing to play him.
It has been said repeatedly that trading Felton is the key to getting a serious piece in return, and we can package him with Harrington, Anderson or Koufos depending on who is coming our way.
I say let’s get a look at Mos or KK and Nene at 4 before we panic. Continuity counts, and we need to build more of it.
I’d draft an insurance PG with size like Reggie Williams or Nolan Smith, or a sharpshooter 2 guard if there are any.
i wouldnt mind
getting a little more offense from our frontcourt than Moz and Kouf can supply.
trey tompkins maybe.
i do like the brazilian like you said tho he is a little ways off. Or one of the Morris twins if they somehow fall.
also
im not saying a draft option needs to be a day 1 starter. but our team is still in the transition from the kenyon, Melo, era to the Lawson – Gallo – aaa era, we need to add youth to frontcourt even if it is in a bench player or developemntal prospect and let Moz take the starting gig. Al,Bird, Nene, ely and Kenyon are all 29 or older. time to add some youth and athletisim maybe something to compliment the 2 huge euro stiffs we got.
go with nougeira then
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2011 Offseason Pickups: Trade Felton and Harrington
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Chad fords first mock
has us going with 18 yr old Tobias Harris, a 3/4 6’ 8" tweener in the mold of Wilson Chancler (guess he is assuming we trade chandler or dont match).
has Faried going 1 spot before us to portland. they have Nourgeira going at 29 to the Spurs
quote
“Chandler is a free agent, and the Nuggets might not want to meet his asking price. Harris might be one of the more underrated players in the draft. He can play both the 3 and 4, has a very high basketball IQ and has an NBA body. He doesn’t do any one thing at an elite level, but he’s one of the most well-rounded players in the draft. "
personally i hope now
although i like the nba body and the age, only 18.
still we dont need 3/4 tweeners, we need bigs.
He's not only 18 anymore...
He’s closer to 20 than 18.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
nbadraft.net
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft
liking this one,
they say Bismarko falls to us at 22, doubt it but we can hope
draftexpress.com
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/
the brazilian at 22.
it has him going to Portland @ 21...
And us getting some unkown backup PG… uhgg
I hope we don’t squander the small chance we have to get someone useful for a change.
by InboundingLobPass on May 10, 2011 12:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
walterfootball.com
http://walterfootball.com/nbadraft2011mock_1.php\
trey tompkins.
nba-draft.com
another tobias Harris mock
draft america
http://www.draftamerica.com/nba-mock-draft.php
jordan williams from Maryland.
nbadraftinsider.com
a markieff morris one
im liking bebe's potential
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
2011 Offseason Pickups: Trade Felton and Harrington
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I'm wary of Bismack
I see too much Saer Sene in him
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
I'm not sure either...
only been playing for a few years?! I like Nolan Smith at #22 for us
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As a Purdue
Student and obvious basketball fan, I think your a little off on JaJuan. First when you say big your right as in tall, but he is skinny as heck not sure if he can body up a lotta bigger guys, but he has good high post moves, has good range for a big, can handle the ball somewhat adequately, and is a great shot blocker! Secondly, in my opinion JJ has good BB IQ better than most in the big ten in his position…
I would love having him on the Nuggets!
just my .02
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reports are
Knicks want Faried. Knicks pick at 17.
Let them have him
I’m sick of having an undersized front court dependent on Athleticism. We need SIZE. Memphis shows us how it’s done
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I think you sign Nene.
Seeing that breakdown of what’s available is downright depressing! I think the Nugs need to do whatever they can to keep Nene becasue the disparity between him and some of the other players that would replace him is big. Financially this shouldn’t be tough given Felton and KMart and JR Smith coming off the books and the lack of any big FA out on the market to sign. There are things to like and miss about those 3 guys – especially KMarts toughness and leadership, but I would rather see that money go to locking up Nene, AAA and Wilson Chandler.
Along with that, I’d like to see the organization focus on developing Mozgof and moving Nene to PF. Nene is no KMart at PF when it comes to nastiness, rebounding and defense but is a huge step up offensively. Maybe Chandler steps more into that role. Maybe Bird is healthy and able to provide more consistent mintues. Maybe KMart stays at bargain price and Nene still plays center? All the outcomes I’d want to see involve Nene though.
i want to see Koufos & Nene play together
They’re BIG and I think Kosta is gonna surprise some people this offseason. Let’s do it!
by InboundingLobPass on May 10, 2011 12:43 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
i would like
markieff morris, although marcus would be better, theres no way he’s still around when we pick. the free agent class is pretty weak. david west is interesting, hes got a great post game, depending how he recovers from the knee. if nene leaves, we definately need a big, but kirenlinko would be another interesting look
wat does evry 1 think of theses 2 trades?
blazers get felton & we get batum& mathews. magic get birdman& we get bass. then big al+ our draft pick this yr?
i think
there is no chance we get mathews and batum for felton. We might not even be able to get batum alone for felton. they love batum in portland. mathews cld probably be had.
bass is undersized, him and nene would be a tiny frontcourt, id rather use our pick. i do like getting rid of big al though
Dude, you are pissing me off
with all this “trade Birdman” shit. He’s one of the most efficient players on our team and a fan favorite.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
by love4nuggets on May 16, 2011 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Im starting to like
the idea of drafting Jeremy Tyler
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