Marc Gasol, the Situation and the Facts
Most people around the country got their first glimpse of Marc "Baby" Gasol these playoffs, but we Stiffs have been watching him long enough to know that Marc doesn't actually go by Baby … but I digress. Long since the most coveted player the Nuggets have realistically had some chance of trying to land, Gasol finally hits the market, well restricted market, this off-season. Let the debate begin as to whether or not we could land him in free agency. Here are the facts ...
Money- To put it simply, we have it. To be much more complex I present the following information:
· The Nuggets have long since been in a position to experience relative flexibility this offseason. Ever since Kenyon signed his contract, this offseason was going to have some spare spending cash because K-mart would be coming off the books. However, a series of other moves made by the former Nuggets regime, and one big one by the current regime, have placed Denver in a position to be a major player in the free agent market. Namely the Nene resigning and the JR Smith extension by the old regime and the Chauncey Billups trade by the new regime. Here are some of the financial basics behind the Nuggets offseason:
Nene contract: Nene signed on for 6 years and 60 million back in 2006 and can opt out of the final year of that contract, which would be next season. Nate posted the recent article about Nene's possible intent to do just that on the main page. While we can debate whether or not Nene opting out is a good thing, what we can't debate is the 11.6 million dollars that would come off the cap if he does indeed test the market.
JR Smith extension: JR signed a 3 year extension back in 2008 for 16.5 million. He is not eligible to receive an extension because his current contract is shorter than 3 years in total length. His 6 million dollars will come off the books at the end of the season and he will be an unrestricted free agent.
Chauncey Billups Trade: Denver traded home town hero Chauncey Billups, 2 guys on the veterans minimum (which are one year contracts and thus always expiring), Renaldo Balkman's 1.65 million dollar sitting bonus and some other player who I can't seems to recall who made north of $18 million. In return they received Gallinari, Chandler, Felton, Mozgov and Koufos, but you already knew that. The trade sent out almost $38 million while only taking back a little over $17 million in contracts, one of which (Wilson Chandler) will expire at the end of this season.
Now, obviously there is some uncertainty surrounding the future financial landscape of the NBA with the collective bargaining agreement to expire. While I don’t know what will happen with the cap and player salaries, I would guess that the relative ratio a player makes vs. the allowable amount of total salary for a team will remain fairly similar. With that idea we should be able to predict which teams will have enough cap space to make a run at Gasol.
First off how much can Gasol expect to make. A few big men received contracts last year in free agency. Brendan Haywood received a 6 year $55 million dollar contract after averaging close to a double double the prior season. That averages out to about $9 million a year or 16% of the current $58 million cap. Meanwhile, David Lee received a 6 year $80 million dollar contract from Golden State, about $13.3 million a year or 23% of the cap after averaging 20pts and 11 reb. Gasol’s numbers this year were 11 pts and 7 reb but after his performance in the playoffs I’d imagine he will see a higher offer than Haywood. My guess is about 18% of a team’s cap
If Nene opts out then the Nuggets will have only $28,575,414 on the cap. Assuming Denver will extend qualifying offers to both Wilson Chandler and Arron Afflalo, the cap number will climb to just over $34.6 million. If they were to continue to operate under a $58 million cap the Nuggets would have just over 40% of their cap available, even if the cap decreases by 20% Denver still would have 20% available so plenty of money to make a lucrative offer to Gasol as well as re-sign 2, maybe 3, of their own free agents(depending on what kind of offers AAA and Chandler will get in RFA, if the Nuggets try to break the bank on keeping Nene and if the NBA goes to a hard cap)
So which other teams in the NBA have at least 18% of their cap available next year and would realistically make a run at Gasol (meaning teams like Milwaukee, Indiana, LAC, New Jersey, OKC, Washington and Sacramento who already have a young center are not likely to make a run at him)? Well, not that many. Realistically it’s a race between 8 teams, with maybe up to 11 if some teams get creative. The main players would be Denver, Memphis, Houston, Toronto and Minnesota. Other teams could be possible players such as Portland, Phoenix, New Orleans, Cleveland and Detroit, but each of those teams would have to make some moves to free up the space.
Let’s dive into each of the five main players a little deeper
Denver- I’m not going to go on long about this because we already all know Denver would benefit from having Gasol. It would allow Nene to move to the 4, or replace him if he leaves. Personally, I like Mosgov a lot but I’m not sure if I’m sold on him being a starter at this point in his career. The Nuggets have size, but take one look at Dallas, who traded for Tyson Chandler despite having Brendan Haywood, and it’s obvious you can never be too big
Houston- Who knows if Yao will ever be anything close to what he was, probably not very likely and thus Houston finds themselves with a huge hole at the center position. Houston has about 22% of their cap available to them next year so they have the money to offer Gasol a big contract, one that would make Memphis cringe at matching, however such an offer would cripple any other flexibility they have.
Toronto- Toronto may appeal to Gasol because it has the international vibe, one of the reasons our own Linas Kleiza was so anxious to go there (side note, how do we all feel about giving Harrington that money instead of Kleiza now?). The Raptors have 23% of their cap available next season, though if Leandro Barbosa exercises his player option the Raptors will likely not have the money to make a significant offer. Also the Toronto does have Andrea Bargnani, similar to Nene however, Bargnani is better served playing the 4 rather than the 5.
Minnesota- Do you know who Minnesota trotted out as their starting center this year? A guy by the name of Darko Milicic. Certainly Minnesota has a need at center and they won’t be getting any top big men in the draft (if you’re looking for a definition of weak, just look at the center prospects in this draft). The Twolves will have 28% of their cap available, and virtually no players of their own to worry about retaining (I’m pretty sure Sebastian Telfair is not high on the re-sign list) so they certainly got the dough to make a big offer. One has to wonder why any free agent would want to play for Minnesota though…
Memphis- Memphis, regardless of their cap number, can match any offer made to Gasol because he is a RFA and Memphis will hold his bird rights. That said how much money will be too much for Memphis to think about matching. I know Memphis will certainly not just let Gasol go without a fight, and will probably be willing to overpay a little to retain him. However, Memphis has been shelling out the bucks for the past year and thanks to the recent Zach Randolph extension they will only have 7% of their cap available, so it’s not like they are rolling in the dough. Memphis also notoriously loses money, in fact some sources say they have lost money every year since they moved from Vancouver. I don’t think Memphis would match a max offer, but giving Gasol a max offer is crazy, however if a team was to offer say 19% of their cap, I think it would put the Grizzlies in a tough position. This is not to say that they still wouldn’t match. An interesting side effect of New York picking up Billups’ option is it all but completely made them lose their chance at signing Gasol, whom they were rumored to be interested in. Is this because NY really like Chauncey, probably, but also New York not believing Memphis will let Gasol get away could also have something to do with it but that is merely speculation on my part.
Bottom line, I think it’s a three horse race. I don’t expect Barbosa to opt out of his contract thus nullifying Toronto’s chances, and I just don’t see Gasol wanting to go spend his time in Minnesota playing for a bottom dwelling team. So that leaves us with Houston, Denver and Memphis. Houston may even lack the financial flexibility to make a big offer at Gasol so it could come down to Denver and Memphis. However, I fully expect Memphis to match any reasonable offer for Gasol, and ones that are slightly unreasonable. Like I said, a 19% of the cap offer would put them in a spot, a 21% offer, or at this point just over $12 million a year would be a tough choice to match. It would also mean Denver would likely be retaining only 2 of their own free agents because I don’t think the Kroenke’s are going to change suit and break the bank to keep everyone. If I were to guess what would happen I would say Gasol will definitely get some over paid offers in RFA and Memphis will end up matching. There are a few other big guys that will be on the market with decent value, mainly Tyson Chandler (likely to resign with Dallas I would guess) Carl Landry and possibly David West. There are also a couple of guys who could be big gambles such as Greg Oden, Yao Ming and our own Kenyon Martin.
Personally, I say save as much cash as possible this season and let someone else overpay for the big Spaniard. If we do poorly we end up with a higher pick in a deep draft and have you seen the free agent class next offseason? Ridiculous, how do names such as Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Nicolas Batum, Gerald Wallace, Elton Brand, Roy Hibbert, Javale Mcgee, Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, Jason Terry, Andrew Bynum, Darrell Arthur, OJ Mayo, Kevin Garnett and Jeff Morton’s personal favorite Russell Westbrook strike you?
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I don't know
There are a ton of wing players out there, I would say let Chandler walk, resign afflalo and look for someone to replace JR’s scoring off the bench because I’m pretty sure he’s gone. Maybe pick up a tough defensive wing on the cheap as well. Shane Battier is available.
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We have absolutly no need for gasol
mozgov has the talent to do everything marc does. He just needs minutes and practice in the nba system, and he comes way cheaper
by TyLawesome on May 28, 2011 9:58 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
I like Mozgov just as much as the next Stiff, but I think we’re putting too much stock into him at this point. Gasol is the real deal, and Moz would be better suited coming off the bench anyways. The bottom line is: Size matters — a ton — in the NBA, and you can never have too much. Plus, we don’t know what’s happening with Nene or K-Mart, so going after Gasol should be a priority.
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by GoldenNugget on May 28, 2011 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
well
It certainly wouldn’t hurt to have both! That’s a monsterous frontline rotation if we keep Nene too…
Center: Gasol/ Moz/Nene
Power forward: Nene/bird/Koufos
Small forward: Gallo/ Chandler?/ hamburgers?
That's what I'm saying
We’d be like this year’s version of the Grizzlies except much better. Of course, we’d still have that guy who doesn’t like coaching in the Playoffs at the helm, which always sucks, but at least the team would be fun to watch in the regular season!
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by GoldenNugget on May 28, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
You're kidding right?
Memphis is built around Z-Bo. He’s one of the most gifted offensive players in the game and a helluva offensive rebounder. Color me pessimistic but I’m pretty sure Nene/Bird/Koufos are none of those things. It’s great to have size but it has to be skilled size for it to count. Otherwise you might as well trot out the Bradley, Muresan, Bol line.
And all this Moz talk… I like the kid but to me let’s calm down a bit. He can run the floor a bit, he’s got good size but that’s about it. He hasn’t shown much of an offensive repertoire, his hands are bad (not Shelden Williams bad, but bad) and he’s not a good shooter. Can he develop? Sure. But to pencil him in for 30 minutes a game as a starter is just setting ourselves for a disaster.
Well, we agree on Moz
The Grizzlies comment was made more around the idea that we’d be a similar team in that we wouldn’t have any huge stars, but you’re right, Z-Bo is a stud. I knew that was a flawed comment when I made it, but I still think collectively as a team we’d be better even without a Z-Bo type guy.
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
i've never seen mozgov step back and nail an 18 footer
thats in important skill for a big man as it keeps defenses honest. you just don’t want the guy to hang out there all the time (marcus camby)t
i've seen him do it a lot
for the world championships last summer. He was Russia’s best player leading them to the semi finals. That’s why the 3year 9million dollar contract for an undrafted player
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The CBA does present a difficult challenge when speculating on free agent signings, but I doubt any groundbreaking changes will be emplimented; therefor, we sill should be able to offer a huge contract to Marc Gasol all while re-signing a lot of our own guys due to the Bird Rights.
That said, I do expect a significant change in player salaries. I think contracts, especially max ones, will be structured more to keep players in their incumbent teams, and this could greatly benifit the Grizzlies in this matter. If things were stayed the same however, I’d offer close to a max contract at Gasol and I’m pretty sure Memphis wouldn’t match due to financial problems, plus Heisley (Grizz owner) already said he wouldn’t give Gasol too much money anyways.
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I lose, so I had to pay up. Hope you liked the note though, haha
Its just too bad I didn’t make any bets about the Heat winning the Finals, well, maybe I’m speaking too soon!
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by GoldenNugget on May 30, 2011 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
good post Zach!
If Nene does opt out I’m all for it, but I also want to see more Mozgov…
If we go after Gasol and draft a decent PF, we might not actually need to keep Nene or kmart
Good write up Zach
I don’t see the Nuggets trying too aggressively to pursue Marc Gasol. While he would definitely add something to the mix (and I’d personally would love to see him here) I think the organization is high enough on Mozgov to let him sink or swim. Right now with the Nuggets forwards and wing players in flux I’m sure that is where their concentration will lay. Both through the draft and whatever free agency there is.
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by Jeffrey Morton on May 28, 2011 10:44 PM MDT reply actions
I think if we retain Nene you are probably right
And certainly the acquisition of Mozgov has lightened the burden on finding size. However, if we lose Nene, Gasol should absolutely be a priority
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If they let Nene walk then absolutely
I completely agree.
Also, depending on the new CBA, the type of contract that can be offered may be more “affordable” to the Nuggets if they choose to max out for an offer. I’m thinking (just from what I’ve heard) that we may see partially guaranteed contracts with minimal buyout clauses.
The Nuggets could also move Gallo to the 4…but I think he works much better as a three.
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by Jeffrey Morton on May 28, 2011 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions
The Nuggets could also move Gallo to the 4
Please no. That’s a terrible idea.
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I actually think Gallo's best position is at small 4
I like his aggressiveness taking the ball to the hoop but his life would be a lot easier doing it against 4’s rather than quicker 3’s. His handle just isn’t there to be doing it consistently and well against them. I’m not saying he can’t play minutes at 3 but I think his best spot is as a 4 in a small lineup.
Ty could probably cross up SGs a hell of a lot better than he could PGs too
But that doesn’t mean he should play SG. The problem with putting Gallo at the 4 is that we won’t have anybody to rebound. We already have Nene, who’s a pretty mediocre rebounder for his size, and I don’t think Moz or Koufos is gonna save the day in that department. Rebounding = success in the NBA; starting Gallo at the 4 totally diminishes our chances of rebounding even more than what it already is, and that’s scary.
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, that is kind of the idea behind playing small
You lose rebounding for quickness, hence the definition of playing small ball.
Do you like small ball?
I never thought it got us anywhere, or anybody else anywhere for that matter.
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I like it in spurts
Especially if that means you’re maximizing your roster composition. Some rosters and players are more fit to play small ball than others. I actually think the Nuggets have a lot of tweener players where they’re better off in a smaller setting.
Ideally, in a 48 minute game, I’d say about 35-38 minutes should be “conventional” and 10-13 minutes should be us going small. Nene, Gallo, Chandler, Bird, and the Felton/Ty combined backcourt are all better off playing small than conventional.
Going back to Gallo, I think he could absolutely abuse most 4’s in the league off the dribble and let’s face it, it’s not like he’s some elite defender anyways. If you stick him at 3, he’ll never be able to match up against elite offensive 3’s and there are far fewer elite 4’s in the league than there are 3’s. So while you might be giving up rebounding as you’ve stated, you’re also less likely to be abused one-on-one so I consider it a wash on the defensive end. With Gallo, it comes down to maximizing his offensive potential. Anything he can add on the defensive end is a bonus.
I wouldn't be so sure he can't match up with elite threes
I’ve seen Gallo go toe to toe, shot for shot, with Melo and do just fine
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nene xtenstion will cost us all the good young talent we have 2day
22 mill a yr – costs us wc,gallo,moz,aaa,lawson&kk
Whats if we went for J.J Hickson?
I think he was one of the few bright spots of the Cavs last season, and he is a great rebounder and scorer for his size, I think he would make a very good 3rd option on a very good team, similar to Lamar Odom.
Is it possible to get him for any package?
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Hickson will also be available in free agency come 2012
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If Cleveland obtains the No. 2 pick via trade
which they’re trying to do, then the reports are that Hickson will become available most likely. Honestly though, if we have Gallo and Chandler and Harrington here, there’s just not gonna be much room for Hickson, or any other small forward for that matter.
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
He played great at the PF position in Cleveland, but that's because he HAD to
Put him at SF and I think he’d thrive even more. If we got him, I obviously wouldn’t mind him playing PF, but what if we re-sign Nene? He’s gonna be too expensive to obtain anyways, but if we did lose Nene, didn’t draft a big to replace him and didn’t sign anybody in free agency, we’d probably have to consider it.
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
nice write up
I’m on the fence about Marc Gasol, he’s gonna be really expensive and id rather save cap space for next year’s free agents.
-instead why don’t we -
Bring in Marshon Brooks and play “Mozgod” and the “Roller Kosta” more.
by InboundingLobPass on May 28, 2011 11:29 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I likes me some Koufos....
If they can work him in as a 4 so he can share court time with Moz we would have some tall trees for a change.
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by Jeffrey Morton on May 28, 2011 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
This would only work against teams
with no speed or athleticism. I actually like Kouf the Goof more than Moz. He’s far more athletic.
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by love4nuggets on May 29, 2011 2:35 AM MDT up reply actions
lol at more athletic
dude is a pudger.
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you must have seen the Superman drill video posted in fanshots
Its clear Moz’s motor runs slower than Koufos’
by InboundingLobPass on May 29, 2011 2:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Benjamin Hochman interviews George Karl who talks about Nene, Felton and Mozgov
Some interesting quotes, and one big one at the end for all of those who hate Karl’s complacency with mediocrity.
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Will JR Smith all but gone (see below), Felton will be sure of more PT.
Clearly Karl wants to keep Felton so JR will have to be sacrificed.
I didn't see it
Which one was it?
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
“We ended the year in a very hopeful enthusiastic position”
To me our year ended after being quickly ousted in the first round and I was neither hopeful nor enthusiastic about it
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Lolz!
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by love4nuggets on May 29, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I see what you're saying
Yeah, remember, the post-season doesn’t matter to Karl. Idiot.
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions
JR Smith was arrested over the weekend in Miami Beach:
http://iblog126.com/denver-nuggets-jr-smith-arrested-on-south-beach/
Anyone now doubt that he won’t be returning and his price tag will continue to drop in free agency?
The only question is whether Deron Williams will want him as a teammate in New Jersey/Brooklyn?
I actually think this gives him a better chance of re-signing
Because his value should decrease a little bit, and that was always his biggest asset in other teams offering him more money than we could afford. Now, if nobody is gonna offer him that big contract, he’ll probably settle for us for cheaper.
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by GoldenNugget on May 29, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
He wasn't arrested. He was ticketed.
For driving a scooter without a license.
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source?
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J.R. Smith busted...for riding a scooter
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/43210453/ns/sports-player_news/
J.R. Smith was recently cited for operating a scooter without a valid drivers’ licence in Miami. A picture of Smith and the police immediately hit the web, leading to speculation that he was being arrested, but this is obviously a benign infraction. This will be an interesting summer for Smith, who becomes an unrestricted FA.
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by LongWindedHank on May 29, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
thank ya thank ya
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ya, you betcha
as uttered by, say, Jerry Lundergaard in Fargo.
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by LongWindedHank on May 29, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
You know whats interesting though
Everyone is passing this off as nothing but a scooter, if on a public road, is considered to be a motor vehicle and operating a motor vehicle without a license is a somewhat serious charge
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Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
There's just no question that JR hasn't yet understood that
NO CONTACT WITH THE POLICE IS JOB FUCKING ONE!!!
That goes double for a black man with serious priors. That ain’t a racist statement, folks, but it is, unfortunately, a description of a black man’s life in the abidingly racist United States of America. You can find the statistics to back it up drunk and blindfolded in your sleep.
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by LongWindedHank on May 29, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Pass on Gasol for my personal feelings…And for that matter Deandre Jordan as well. Go into this season as is unless there is a swing for the fences oppertunity.
We need a rebounder to put beside Nene if you hold onto the core. Then a scoring replacement for JR off the bench. I like the outside shot Gasol has but I feel it’s not enough to get us over the hump. Save your money for 2012 if anything, don’t spend it to just spend it. One thing mentioned about Kroenke and the Avs I kinda felt was unjustified is the being the cheap guy. I think he just didn’t want to overpay for marginal improvements…stick to that philosphy. Keep all those pieces at good contracts and try to make a pitch for a bigger name.
Very nice write-up - many thanks
Somehow I think the FO has Plans A, B, C and maybe even D to make the Nuggets more competitive—and I mean this coming season (yeah, if there is one). If they can make an offer to Gasol that wouldn’t bust the bank in the unlikely event of Memphis passing on matching, why on earth wouldn’t they do it?
Looking forward to whatever Masai and Josh have cooking in the kitchen.
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Nice writeup
But under the current CBA, the Denver Nuggets cannot acquire Marc Gasol and retain all of their role players (or even, most of them). Why? Because of the cap hold:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q31
Here are the cap holds of various Nuggets free agents:
Kenyon Martin: ~$19M
Nene: ~$16.3M
Wilson Chandler: ~6.3M
JR Smith: $10M
Arron Afflalo: $5.9M
Gary Forbes: ~$1M
If Nene opts out, that leaves Denver at ~$30M committed. Add all those cap holds up to that, and you’re at an effective ~$90M committed. No room for Marc Gasol there!
Even if you renounce Kenyon Martin’s Bird Rights and let him sign elsewhere, and do the same with JR Smith, you’d still be straddling the salary cap pretty close, certainly without the cap space to sign someone like Marc Gasol.
Realistically, if the Nuggets want Marc Gasol they would probably have to sacrifice Nene. Either in a sign and trade with Memphis, or just renouncing his rights along with Martin’s and Smith’s and signing him into cap space.
“While we can debate whether or not Nene opting out is a good thing, what we can’t debate is the 11.6 million dollars that would come off the cap if he does indeed test the market.”
Just as an example, this is incorrect in the current CBA. If Nene opts out, Denver still has his Bird Rights (can exceed the cap to re-sign him). Denver would have to renounce those rights to Nene in order for his cap hold to come off their books, or he would have to sign elsewhere. This is to prevent the type of loophole you are describing, wherein a team signs another free agent into cap space, and then exceeds the cap to sign their own.
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no star power + no rebounding + a bunch of complementary players = a mediocre team…tank, get high picks, draft a big etc.
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
I DID SLEEP WITH @paugasol woman!!!
Minnesota has been doing that.
How is that working out?
JR sign somewhere else, so we can get a guy who is not so Bi-polar.
Trade Chandler and Felton for another shooter.
by SD_Nugget_Fan on May 30, 2011 2:07 AM MDT up reply actions
This maths is wrong:
If they were to continue to operate under a $58 million cap the Nuggets would have just over 40% of their cap available, even if the cap decreases by 20% Denver still would have 20% available
If the entire cap decreases by 20%, amounts under the previous cap are not just 20 percentage points lower.
Assuming Denver makes qualifying offers to Chandler and Afflallo and the contracts at that stage add up to $34.6M, then Denver would have about 25% of the cap left (according to my quickly-done sums on Windows calculator).
Julian from Australia
This time last year I would have been all for this
But unless there’s huge improvement in Gallo,Chandler, Nenê and/or Lawson next season, I don’t think the Nuggets will win the championship anyway, so we may as well see what Moz and Koufos can do.
Julian from Australia
Agreed here
If you can only get marginally better with the philosphy of spending money to spend it. Try to see internal options before external. If you can get Gasol for under 8 million a year (which I can’t forsee him getting under that), then you can’t lock up to the salary cap with a team in the middle tier without a way out.
Give Mozgov a try and just try to bring back Nene. Dependent if the trade exceptions stay and a lower salary cap is to come, use that to your advantage. Don’t spend the money unless you have a solid idea of where you’ll be with them.
Nene will re sign with Denver
Book it!
JR sign somewhere else, so we can get a guy who is not so Bi-polar.
Trade Chandler and Felton for another shooter.
From Wilson Chandler's twitter
ready to bounce, over stayed my welcome …
and
you aint gotta b n jail to b doing time …
hmmmmm…what does THIS mean? Chandler has been quite grumpy in several tweets since the season ended.
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If he doesn’t sign a offer sheet can treat him like a normal side and trade. BYC doesn’t apply as long as we’re below the cap or if we don’t set a 20% increase on a yearly basis.
As far as his tweets, I don’t take that to be much of anything related to the Nuggets. Everything on Twitter goes without context…To me it just feels like a rough patch in a relationship. But again I have no clue…
Maybe he was at a party that went sour
just sayin
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by Army of Nugs on May 30, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
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I’d be tweeting that if I was stuck with in-laws, for example.
by Artimus Mangilord on May 30, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions

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