I hate the early offseason..
by NuggsFan15 on Apr 29, 2011 5:29 PM MDT
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PrintBut, hell what can we do. The Nuggets made it this far with a "superstar" so I still think that the Nuggets did a very good job of handling adversity. Although I think that the Nuggets could've, would've and should've made it to the second round but we played 5 vs. 8 basketball during the first round. I have no more reason to watch the NBA maybe unless the Heat/Celtics match-up. I think this is a list of what FO would do.
1.) Re-sign Nene. This is the primary move that the FO should do because Nene is the "it" in this team. If Nene plays well, the team is almost unbeatable. Although he's sometimes shy and timid I still think that Nene will help us through this No-Star days.
2.) Resign AAA. Arron Afflalo is the one guy that gives this Nuggets team a hint of consistency. Afflalo had a bad end to this season following that hammy injury. I remember I had a hammy injury before. It's not really painful but, it has a irritating and nagging feeling on the hammy. It also takes a long while before it heals up. I think some team will try to overpay and steal Arron from us. But I think Arron wouldn't follow the money but what he loves: the Mile High City.
3.) Get rid of Al Harrington. Harrington gave us almost nothing this season. My first impression last offseason about signing Al was like okay... a good move for the team. And fuck what does he do? He burns leads when he is on the floor, doesn't rebound, doesn't defend. He takes ill-advised threes and fucking to mention I personally hate Al's sense of style on the court. He looks like a fucking manequin with all those arm sleeves, head bands, calf sleeves and all his bodily bullshit. Maybe we could steal Jason Thompson from the Kings or maybe Amir Johnson from the Raptors. Or maybe David Kahn could give us Anthony Randolph and Anthony Tolliver. Bottomline: Get that shit outta here!
4.) If J.R. wants to walk, let him be. I know I'm going against the wagon here but if J.R. Smith wants to go let him go. I get an eerie feeling that a team will overpay J.R. or offer him a starting spot. I think he will follow the money. And I also have a feeling the FO wouldn't even bother to offer him a mid-level 3 year extension because of George Karl. Somebody has to get out from Denver. Is it gonna be Karl or Smith?
5.) Lock up Gallo for long. I'm gonna go straight to the point. Danilo Gallinari could be a future All-Star. He looks to me like a young, more agile version of a Dirk Nowitzki. If Gallo could keep his shit together, he has some serious potential.
6.) Seek other coaching options. I heard that Rick Adelman is in the outs of Houston. In my opinion he's gonna be the perfect coach for the Nuggets. He knows how to handle teams without superstars and he fits the play style of the current Nuggets lineup. With Ty Lawson on the controls, this team could be among the highest-scoring teams in the league next season. Look at how he handled the 2008-2009 Rockets in the playoffs without Yao Ming. They almost took down the Lakers in that series. The 2009-2010 Rockets. Without Yao or McGrady for the whole season, they still managed to pry a winning record. The 2010-2011 Rockets. With Kevin Martin as his go-to guy they almost sneaked into the playoffs with and undersized lineup. Plus if we could get Karl out of Denver we could keep JR Smith.
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First off...
Karl’s not going anywhere, whether you want him to leave or not
I agree with most of what you said. I’m just not sure if we’re able to sign Danilo to an extension right now. Who knows, the new CBA could prohibit it
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
His contract is guaranteed
And there will be a PR backlash if we suddenly fire Karl
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
You say that but I'd say this place is one of the only places where you'll here Fire GK.
Listening to sports talk in Denver they may be critical of some of his moves but for the most part you’ll hear about his wins and how he’s a HOF’er.
Well, you see...
There’s going to be HUGE media rants if we fire this guy who fought off cancer (twice) to come back to coach this team. Also, GK likes this team and likes Denver. Free Agents are also less likely to consider going to Denver. It’d be a nightmare
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Both right
Good post NugFan
Agree with just about everything you wrote.
Nene needs to stay and mainly be a PF next to Moz or another true center. OKC having Perk, freed up Ibaka to do a lot of damage. A big center will do the same for Nene. Cant stay with some PFs? Just defend inside and force outside shots.
AAA will be the glue of this team. The guy is smart as could be too.
Gallo could have a little Bird in him. I didnt say a little Bird on him. I said in him. Actually I’m not sure that sounds better.
OK. What I mean is that he has some of the overrall skill that L Bird did but at about 70%. For more, Larry would have to lend Gallo his brain.
I could see an at least occasional lineup of Moz, Nene, Gallo, AAA, Ty with creative subbing that includes the usuals and a little more Forbes. My lineup features a 7’1’ athletic center, a monster PF, a 6’10 small forward that shoots from outside and has a handle, a big shooting guard who can handle ball and play great Dee, and a blur at PG.
Game on.
We have to put up with Karl like he’s our crazy uncle in the attic.
We should think of adding quality if we could at a good price. However, I think we may already have what we need to be title contenders as long as the veterans lead and the young develop. I love this team.
First, Karl is here to stay. no sense debating it. But we NEED a superstar – if the playoffs proved anything, it’s that we need someone the refs will actually call a foul for.
Resign Nene? Absolutely
Get rid of Harrington? Check
Sign Afflalo? No question
Let JR walk? NO DAMN WAY
Trade Felton and Birdman for something of value? Pretty Please?
Resign Kmart for a small contract? YES
Wilson/Gallo? Get em both locked up.
Any questions?
I think if you packaged the 2014 NY first, Felton, and Birdman you are going to get a potential superstar. I think if all the above happens, we are well on our way to a great future.
Here’s a fun thought:
How about using Afflalo/Felton/Anderson/2014 NY first rounder for Dwayne Wade?
Can you imagine having Ty, Wade, Chandler, Gallo, Nene? Bench depth comes at PG in the draft, two guard is still set with JR, Forbes, Kmart, and Mozgov/Koufos. In the meantime, Miami gets Felton/Afflalo/Lebron/Bosh/Anderson and some much needed depth.
Sounds pretty fair to me. I’d do this trade in a heartbeat, even as much as I like Afflalo
Not really
Ty can play with another point guard, and Wade is mainly considered to be a shooting guard. The problem about the mentioned lineup is that we will be undersized and too skinny in the frontcourt, and we’d have problems with rebounding
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
IoI what kind of crack are you smokin...
you wouId that with aII those ridicuIousIy bad NY trades, you come up with this crap.
the reason you wouId do this trade is because you Iose nothin that cant be easiIy repIaced whiIe getting a superstar.
what is up with nuggets fans and this super high outIook on affIaIo.
It's because Affallo is still somehow underrated by many teams
He plays defense, he plays his ass off every time he’s on the floor, he can hit the three, and he can drive to the bucket. Not to mention that he doesn’t suck at the FT line like certain players (cough, Nene/Ray/Birdman, cough).
His play during Round 1 wasn’t that great, but that’s because he wasn’t 100% after a nagging hammy injury (you need 3-4 weeks of CONTINUOUS rest to fully heal it)
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
by LACK on Apr 30, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
and how does doin those things make him a star caIibur pIayer.
I Iike affIaIo, but the Iack of upside on this has caused fans to put too much vaIue in to their pIayers. affIaIo can shoot, but there are some nites as we have seen where his shot isnt faIIing and he struggIes offensiveIy, he can drive some but a Iot of it is when teams dont expect hiim to, he is not a one on one guy at aII. he reIies on other guys gettin him open shots, he’s battier with more shootin and Iess size and rebs and bIks.
nugget fans aIso try to make gaIIo into a star when he has much to do on his handIes, pass abiIity, defense is gettin there, but his one on one moves arent that great, and idk if that’s something that pIayers can improve much on, which is one on one abiIity, aIso has to work on shootin and rebs.
there’s aIso moz, who doesnt Iook comfortabIe in the post, his defensive position is ok, but picks up too many fouIs and doesnt have any offensive game at aII.
I do these things with jr and koufos, but I strongIy feeI that jr can be Iike 20 ppg, 7 rpg, 4 assists a game kind of guy with the pt, on decent efficiency, his per has been up there.
koufos may just be a stiff, but he’s got the size and athIeticism, he Iooked bad earIier, but when he got some pt he has improved greatIy, he worked much more comfortabIy in the post and was abIe to score with efficiency, where you can kind of feeI when he catches it there he has a great shot to score, and he aIso on dunked on some peopIe, and improved his physicaIity,. he has to work on defensive positionin though.
by Rys on May 1, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude
We don’t need Afflalo to be a star-caliber player. You don’t need every damn guy on the roster to be a star caliber player; it just doesn’t work that way. Afflalo is the PERFECT role player.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
by LACK on May 1, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
there you go you said it yourseIf a great roIe pIayer.
you want to buiId the team around a roIe pIayer, you want to trade for a superstar with a roIe pIayer who isnt a big.
by Rys on May 1, 2011 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions
building around
Nene, Afflalo, Ty and Gallo is not a bad start.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
We never said we're going to build the team around Afflalo..
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
yeah not directIy but you taIk about him as if he is.
if affIaIo goes, the team is goin to miss his shootin defense and approach, stiII if some team pays him Iike 6miI, I wouIdnt be sad about it, his taIent is repIaceabIe.
you guys taIk about him Iike he’s a game chnger against OKC, but he’s not… he’s a compIimentary piece, and can get some more pt so feIton doesnt pIay as much but that’s it, he’s not goin to go out there and win you a game.
His talent is replaecable,
but his heart and leadership are not.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
by love4nuggets on May 2, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with most of your post
except Bird has been a decent FT shooter this year.
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I agree. My guess would be
3rd or 4th best down the stretch, which is sad.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
wade isn't leaving miami. EXCALMATION MARK!
though i have a funny feeling Bosh will be out if they go a few years without winning it all
nick young is another one
we’re definitely gonna need some offensive help if JR leaves. the question is do we go young and go after guys like thornton or young or do we go old and go after crawford or j-rich.
can i ask a ?
d.howard in trade from the magic 4 big al, birdman&felton?
Nooooooooooooooooooooo Way its happening
don’t get me wrong if we could somehow pry howard away without giving up Nene, afflalo, or ty I would crap my pants. But there is absolutely no way that would happen, If he gets traded it would be to the lakers. You heard that here first!!!!
Dude
Your wildly idealistic trades have become ridiculously unrealistic.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Absurd post
“5 vs.8 basketball.” You cannot be serious. OKC is a better team, with several seasons’ worth of experience playing together (save Perkins), along with a PG who’s a dangerous penetrator/scorer, not to mention a 3 who can take over as needed to close out games. That’s why the Nuggets lost. They’ll have a much better chance in the playoffs next year, after a long regular season to develop an identity.
“But I think Arron wouldn’t follow the money but what he loves: the Mile High City.” I seriously doubt Arron Afflalo is that stupid. Few players stay with professional sports franchises for well under their market value. They certainly don’t do it because they suddenly “love” the city they’ve landed in due to the vagaries of the draft or a trade. Maybe you’ve heard the utterance, “It’s a business.” It is possible that he’d be excited enough about this team’s prospects that he’d re-sign for a bit less than he could get elsewhere, but that’s for him to say. Another “but” is how murky the identity of this team still is. The FO would have to show Afflalo that they have quite an exciting plan for the future to make the case for him to sign for less than his value. Don’t you think?
“Somebody has to get out from Denver. Is it gonna be Karl or Smith?” Other commenters have already let you know how this will go. After this bizarre playoff performance, I wish the team would fire Karl (yeah, I’m no longer much of a fan), but it’s not going to happen unless the Nuggets shit the bed for the first 40 games or more next season. Even then, it’s highly unlikely they’d part with Karl.
Not quite sure what you “heard” or from whom, but many of the rest of us have read actual news reports that Rick Adelman is no longer the head coach of the Rockets. Hope he lands with a contender.
Sad post. You can do better.
No. More. Stickyball.
Thanks for supporting me dude.
I know I have more 1st round exits than any other coach in history and I put four guards on the floor at the same time but Stanley likes me so it don’t really matter.
I’m in Mexico right now. It’s beautiful here and I caught a 450LB Marlin. I love first round exits!
You mean from Portland?
Are you asking how plausible it is to take a team’s franchise player? I’d say not at all.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
not happening
be more likely to get Dwight in a Nene swap. nuggets would probably want him to agree to an extension before a trade would happen, so that’s a long shot.
i think we have to just throw a bunch of money at Gasol first and make a competitive offer for DeAndre Jordan. I don’t see a whole lot of teams out there with significant cap space so I think it’s possible we could snag Gasol. Both guys would address our big need for a defensive, rebounding center. If we’re outbid or the teams match so be it. Karl will be forced to play our 7 footers and maybe they will break out. At least we’ll know what we’ve got with them. Kmart’s presence on the team will only hinder their development since Karl won’t play them.
We have 3/4 shot 2 get jordan, but 1/4 shot 4 gasol unless sme freaky carma thing happens & grizz dnt match or resign gasol.
hws this sign&trade? fields&turifant 4 chandler?
Are you referring to DeAndre Jordan?
There’s no way we’re getting DeAndre, even David Sterling knows that he’s good.
Also, Gasol wouldn’t really fit on this team, he’s too friggin big. Of course, several months in the gym with Hess would fix that…
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
We need to keep Nene, Gallo, Ty and AAA. I would like to keep Kmart for a couple million a year and maybe Chandler too. I think we need to deal with the grizzled and try to get Rudy gay. He is a star maybe not a super star. He would give us a consistent scorer and I bet memphis would like to move him due to his large contract. They want to resign Gasoline. OJ mayo might be available too. I would like to make a deal including Felton and maybe sign and trade JR for Rudy
by soloking on May 2, 2011 12:29 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Jimmer wouldn't work on this team
He needs the ball too much and his game is actually pretty similar to Galinari’s, except Jimmer is 6’2" and thus he won’t be nearly as good on the NBA level as Gallinari is right now.
We need a guy like Jonas Valunciunas. Yes, he’s European (Lithuanian to be more exact) and yes, we don’t have the best drafting record with them, but he and Jan Vesely are not your typical “stay on the perimeter and shoot threes” type of Euros. Valunciunas is on the skinny side, but he’s not afraid to take contact and he has a pretty good developing post game as well as a 10-15 foot jumper. Jan Vesely is athletic as heck, it’s crazy.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
i can only imagine this has already been said above but,
Harrington is gonna be next to impossible to move unless we sweeten the deal. Curiously awaiting the draft!
by InboundingLobPass on May 2, 2011 4:44 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Nene at Power forward would be amazing
I am not drinking the Moz juice some of you guys are drinking, but I think he can be a 8 ppg 8 RPG type of starting center and free up Nene a bit, than put Gallo at SF.
That is 3 guys over 6’10 in the starting lineup.
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agree and disagree
1. George Karl is staying long term. Get used to it.
2. Yes, resign AAA, Nene, and chandler
3. YES resign JR too
4.trade felton, harrington, and future 2012 second round picks for 1st round pick.
5. Use that kings lottery pick on Bismack Biyombo.
6. Draft Nolan Smith, combo point guard, to back up Ty with out draft pick.
7. Let Kenyon go.
8. move Nene to pf and start Brains, (Mozgov = Russian word for brain, so i’m calling him that)
2 through 8 aint goin to happen unIess #1 doesnt.
aIso trade chandIer, draft some 7 footer with upside idc if he doesnt pIay.
by Rys on May 3, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Masai forced Karl to give a few trial minutes to Mozgov to see if he works.
Masai has plans to build thjis into a hard playing team that competes every night like Utah or Chicago. If he wants 2-8, then hel’’ do 2-8 and Karl will live with it.
What you think of theses trades?
chandler 4 fields?, birdman 4 casspi&j.thompson?, harrington,felton& this yrs. draft pick 4 hickson,samuels&gibson?
hickson is the only thing valuable that cleveland has
they won’t give him up. Also they don’t want a point guard, especially when they have baron davis and are looking to draft Irving, so double whammy no.
I do and I've voiced this before
trade felton + Big Al + 2014 draft pick to detroit for Rip Hamilton and lottery pick. why detroit does it? they’re trying to clear out the ruins of their championship team. Stucky is leaving as a free agent this year and felton can step in and be the starter right off the bat. WE pick up Rip for 1 year, and pistons ditch a lot of salary, and tayshaun is a FA who will prbly leave so Al can step in there. They can build around raymond and monroe, and we ditch harrington and use that pick on bismack. there’s plenty of shitty teams that need a pg. Others include Kings, T-wolves, Hawks, Charlotte, Blazers, Mavs(Kidd and JJ are old), Lakers(Fish sucks too), Hornets(once CP3 in in NY), Jazz, Suns( need replacement for nash).
The grizzled need to resign gasol and after paying zac I bet they want to move Rudy Gay. He would be a perfect Melo replacement.
by soloking on May 3, 2011 4:40 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Meh I don't know about Gay
we have Gallo, who has the potential to be a top 5 SF one day, Nuggets fans have seen glimpses of all-star potential. Is it no coincidence that the Grizzlies are way better without Gay?
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TyRay Felton, where speed knows no boundaries.
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no they don't if they move anyone it'll be Mayo
and he’d be a good JR replacement if we got involved.
i like sucking pussy?? Who wants me to try theirs
AND BTW………… NUGGETS R THE MOST FUCKED UP TEAM IN THIS WHOLE LEAGUE & MELO CAN GO ND EAT SHIT AND HIS PIN DICK
Can i suggest smething?
Say nene wants his xtention but nt w nuggets, hw about a sign&trade w either thr rockets, spurs or pacers?
hows this trade?
a package of(felton,big aL& birdman) for a package from sac-twn of( casspi,udri&j.thompson-pf)
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