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Golden Nuggets: A eulogy for the 2010-11 season...

Every Nuggets season has its own unique storyline, but there has never quite been anything like the 2010-11 campaign.

Star-divide

The 2010-11 Nuggets season began shrouded in a giant cloud of uncertainty.

Entering training camp the face of the franchise for seven years, Carmelo Anthony, refused to sign a three-year contract extension over the previous summer and was rumored to be jockeying for a trade to New York. Chauncey Billups, the hometown legend, had a team option $14.2 million contract looming on the horizon, with the Nuggets giving no indication of exercising it. The team's up-and-coming shooting guard, Arron Afflalo, wasn't re-signed and would become a restricted free agent at season's end. The Nuggets also didn't offer center Nene an extension, giving the big Brazilian a window to opt-out of his contract at season's end and become an unrestricted free agent. And the oft-injured Kenyon Martin and the mercurial but popular (at least, in the fans' eyes) J.R. Smith were due to become unrestricted free agents themselves. Oh, and Martin and fan favorite Chris Andersen were each out indefinitely due to injured knees. All of this in the face of a league-wide lockout sure to come on July 1st, 2011.

Additionally, the team's head coach - George Karl - was making a valiant return from throat and neck cancer, the second battle of his life with that dreaded disease. But Karl, too, was on a one-year contract as was his entire coaching staff. There were as many questions about Karl being extended as there were about whether he could even coach at all health-wise. After all, the 59-year-old head coach could barely speak when training camp began, thanks to months of radiation treatment that blasted his neck and throat.

On top of all that, the Nuggets were to be guided by two inexperienced hands. Ownership had been transfered from global sports magnate Stan Kroenke to his 30-year-old son, Josh. And in the wake of Mark Warkentien and Rex Chapman being dismissed as a two-headed general manager tandem, the Nuggets hired a 39-year-old Nigerian named Masai Ujiri, who had previously served as assistant general manager for the lowly Toronto Raptors.

With all of these unknowns engulfing the locker room, it was assumed by many that a distracted and disoriented Nuggets squad would be forced to trade Anthony for pennies-on-the-dollar to the Knicks. And that until and even after doing so, it was assumed that the team would struggle to remain relevant in the always-competitive Western Conference. Never mind even make the playoffs in a post-Anthony world.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the Nuggets having a would-be broken, forgettable season.

First, in spite of being at the epicenter of the "Melodrama" that would ensue thanks to his refusal to ink an extension in Denver, Anthony showed up at training camp in good shape and played hard nightly. Second, rather than allow their own contract statuses to hurt their performances on the floor, Billups, Nene, Martin, Smith and Afflalo played as one unit. Third, the "other" Nuggets brought their A-games into training camp, including second year point guard dynamo Ty Lawson and a surprising newcomer named Gary Forbes, who would make his NBA debut as a 25-year-old rookie. And fourth, Karl regained his voice - literally and figuratively - as he was tasked with holding this fragile locker room together and facing Melodrama-related questions daily while still being counted on to produce wins.

Galvanizing around their collective hazy futures in Denver, the Nuggets posted impressive victories against the Mavericks, Lakers, Bulls, Thunder, Heat, Magic and Blazers and had two heartbreaking losses to the Spurs. And in addition to the off-the-court distractions, the Nuggets faced a slew of injuries to overcome. Andersen missed 37 games due to injury. Martin missed 34. Newly signed Al Harrington missed nine and had plantar fasciitis issues all season long. Even Anthony, already dealing with the Melodrama, would miss seven games due to injury and the tragic death of his sister just before Christmas.

But eventually, the weight of the Melodrama and the questions surrounding the team's future began to drag them down. The Nuggets often lost their focus, resulting in defeats to NBA dregs such as the Pacers, Bobcats, Knicks, 76ers (twice), Clippers, Kings, Nets and Warriors. In their final 11 games before the All-Star break, the Nuggets lost seven.

Meanwhile, the younger Kroenke and Ujiri were working tirelessly behind the scenes to move Anthony out of Denver. Despite knowing that Anthony wanted New York and New York only, Kroenke and Ujiri were still able to bring the New Jersey Nets and their billionaire Russian owner, Mikhail Prokhorov, to the deal table. By getting the Nets involved - and with the Nets willing to offer perhaps as many as three first round draft picks plus Devin Harris and third overall pick Derrick Favors - Kroenke and Ujiri forced the Knicks to ante up more than they might otherwise be willing to give. Prior to engaging New York, the Knicks were in the midst of a decent season with superstar Amar'e Stoudemire leading solid role players Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Timofey Mozgov into bringing basketball relevance back to New York. But the temptation of landing Anthony would prove to be too much for Knicks owner James Dolan, and Dolan (allegedly) inserted himself into the trade talks to guarantee acquiring Anthony.

As a result of the Anthony-to-the-Knicks rumors, the once-winning, once-spirited Knicks began falling apart. Now two NBA locker rooms were engulfed in distraction. The more the Knicks lost, the more Dolan got desperate for Anthony. And with the trade deadline beckoning, the Knicks couldn't miss out on Anthony. Kroenke and Ujiri would astutely capitalize on the Knicks' desperation.

So on February 21st, 2011 - after seven-and-a-half seasons of making Denver a regular participant in the NBA playoffs - Carmelo Anthony was traded to the Knicks. Anthony would be packaged along with Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman for Felton, Gallinari, Chandler and Mozgov. And in an extra twist to the deal that involved the Timberwolves, the Nuggets acquired center Kosta Koufos, too. Most Nuggets fans were relieved to be relieved of Anthony, but the departure of Billups - the hometown hero - stung. After all, just because Anthony wanted out of Denver, did he really have to take Billups with him, too?

Sitting at 32-25 on the night of the trade and facing a daunting final 25-game schedule, Karl and the Nuggets would undergo the NBA's version of an extreme makeover and it would prove to be a masterstroke of a deal for Denver's new franchise overseers. Seemingly overnight, the Nuggets were transformed from a superstar-centric, offensive-centric, undersized team with limited depth into a balanced, defensive-centric, tall and extremely deep team. Second year point guard Ty Lawson would be backed up by Felton. Afflalo would be backed up by Smith and Forbes. Gallinari would start with Chandler right behind him. Martin and Nene now had Harrington, Andersen, Mozgov and Koufos to help man the paint.

The Nuggets newfound depth instantly turned into wins as the Nuggets won 15 of their first 19 "post-Anthony" games. And unlike the days when Anthony anchored the small forward position in Denver, the Nuggets would not only beat good teams (like the Spurs, Lakers, Celtics and Mavericks), but destroyed bad ones, too. And the Nuggets suddenly won in places they couldn't with Anthony; such as at Phoenix, at New Orleans and at Atlanta.

But more importantly, the new-look Nuggets reinvented the way professional basketball is played right before our eyes. Rather than depend on a superstar to close out games, the Nuggets came at opponents with waves of energetic lineup combinations, defensive intensity, offensive efficiency, ample passing and lots of running. For the first time in years, Karl had the hammer of playing time in his coaching toolbox, and he used it well. And answering the first of those remaining free agent questions, Kroenke and Ujiri rightly extended Karl by three years, an extension the coach deserved for continuing to deliver the most successful era in Nuggets history since his arrival in 2005. 

The new-look Nuggets certainly got the fans' attention and Pepsi Center was alive again. As the new-look Nuggets racked up win after win, Pepsi Center got fuller and fuller with each game, even selling out a Saturday night affair against a forgettable Pistons squad. Longtime Nuggets fans came out of the woodwork and rooted for their team again because this incarnation of the Nuggets embodied everything that Denver is about: teamwork, community, collective success and tireless effort when achievement is questioned by outsiders. Just like Denver plays second fiddle to the likes of Los Angeles, Chicago and Dallas, so did our little-engine-that-could Nuggets against NBA giants like the Lakers, Bulls and Mavericks.

In spite of being the underdog, our 2010-11 Nuggets finished so hot that they threatened to catch division rival Oklahoma City Thunder and overtake the Western Conference's four-seed in early April.

And then they had to play the Thunder twice in the regular season's final six games.

In what should have been a sign of what was to come, the Thunder ruined the Nuggets magical regular season ride by defeating Denver in both of those games, including the first at Pepsi Center - the new-look Nuggets lone home loss. The Nuggets' fantasy of a four-seed and home court advantage soon evaporated with those two losses to the Thunder, and the Nuggets were resigned to root for Dallas to drop to four rather than face Oklahoma City in the 2011 playoffs. Something Karl did openly in front of the media.

The Nuggets would go on to win a most impressive 50 games, making it four consecutive seasons that they had won at least 50 (made more impressive when considering the Nuggets had won at least 50 games on just three other occasions in their NBA franchise history, and never consecutively). But a playoff date with the Thunder loomed.

Despite the two regular season losses to Oklahoma City, the Nuggets coaches, players and fans were confident that the Thunder - who had never won a playoff series since moving to Oklahoma City - could be upset in the playoffs' first round.

Unfortunately, it was never meant to be.

Thanks to a confluence of events including suspect officiating that grossly favored the Thunder (including an offensive interference no-call in Game 1 and a shamefully reversed over-and-back call in Game 5), horrifically and inexcusably bad free throw shooting by Denver, botched end-of-game execution by the Nuggets (notably Games 1, 3 and 5), inexperience among the Nuggets new younger players, and a slew of masterful performances by Thunder superstar Kevin Durant and the Thunder role players - particularly Serge Ibaka - the Nuggets' Cinderella season ended abruptly in five playoff games, four of which were closely contested and admirably fought. It would be the Nuggets seventh first-round playoff exit in eight consecutive tries.

But while many will remember the disappointing end of the 2010-11 season, I believe it's best to remember the remarkable conversion from a team that the fans rooted for but never really cared for into a team that the fans would have rooted for regardless of the final score. The Nuggets ultimately disappointed us as they do every year. But with Gallinari, Lawson, Mozgov, Koufos and Andersen returning for the 2011-12 season plus Nene, Afflalo, Felton, Chandler, Martin and Forbes likely returning (unfortunately, we cannot say the same for Smith, who will surely get overpaid elsewhere), as well, the future for Nuggets basketball has nothing but upside. We always say that we want a team of guys who care more about the outcome of the game than we, as fans, do. And at long last, we were able to say that about this current collection of Nugget players.

This team earned Denver sports fans' support and it deserves our support next season, too. (If there is a next season, of course). Because for a season that began shrouded in a cloud of uncertainty, it concluded with ample sunshine shining through for the future.

Go Nuggets.

 

On to the links...

Krieger: Best player wins, and that's Durant - The Denver Post
Dave Krieger admires Kevin Durant's work in the Thunder's 4-1 series victory over the Nuggets.

Oklahoma City eliminates Nuggets with 100-97 win in Game 5 - The Denver Post
Benjamin Hochman's post-game recap.

Nuggets' future bright but hazy - The Denver Post
Chris Dempsey addresses the many questions facing the Nuggets this off-season.

New York Knicks pick up $14.2M option on Chauncey Billups - ESPN New York
Don't cry for Chauncey Billups, he just made $14.2 million.

Breaking down the NBA's small-market woes with a little help from the Maloofs - ESPN
Bill Simmons explains the conundrum that small-market teams find themselves in the modern NBA. A must-read.

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Just kind of in a funk this morning....

The Nuggets will win a championship in my lifetime….right?

Ibaka had as much to do with our losing this series as Durant, IMO.

Don’t really care about the rest of the playoffs now. I’ll check in from time to time during the offseason. Thanks to Andrew, Nate and Jeff and everyone on DS for adding a little extra to my enjoyment of my favorite sports franchise!

Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Apr 28, 2011 9:20 AM MDT reply actions  

really?

the celts/heat should be awesome. and at some point, some team will succeed where the nuggets failed and will fuck up durant and westbrook. that alone makes the playoffs worth continued viewing.

by calvin brodus on Apr 28, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

rondo baby!

the grizz will be a tough matchup for okc. i hope they win.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?
firegeorgekarl.com

by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm on the

Memphis train from here on out.

"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK

by love4nuggets on Apr 28, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

nail on the head, margabelle

That’s exactly how I feel.

"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan

by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd even take

playing in a ’ship in my lifetime

Kmart the protector

by NewEraNugg on Apr 28, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

new team fought hard all season

got to appreciate that.

can we get a new stiff list up? im curious to see what u guys list.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?
firegeorgekarl.com

by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Nice article Andrew

Been thinking about this all night. Nuggets greatest asset during the second half (depth) became their greatest weakness because Karl couldn’t manage it well. There is something to be said for going with the “hot hand” but in the playoffs you need the steady play of a core group and Karl couldn’t identify one (especially at the SG/SF position) and even when he did decide to go with certain players he made big mistakes (Felton over JR and Chandler over Gallo, for example). He used the Ty Felton line up as a pacifier (i.e. comfort) and it simply didn’t work down the stretch in really any game. I don’t blame the entire playoff “run” on Karl but some of it has to be on his shoulders for failing to manage his talent well.

Too bad. Go Nuggs! It will be a very interesting and potentially a very LONG off season.

FYI – I find it interesting that you leave Felton off the likely to stay list.

by Pusherman on Apr 28, 2011 9:26 AM MDT reply actions  

I dreamed last night that the Nuggets actually won

Stiffs throughout the land were celebrating. And then I woke up. Alas, my dream was just that, a dream.

But I will not despair. Being probably the biggest skeptic after the trade, I eventually became convinced our merry band of supposed do nothings, would do something. And they did much better than just something. I’m very proud of these Nuggets.

I would like to see the team back including Kmart and JR, (unsure about Felton).

And I fully expect them to topple the Thunder for the NW division crown in 2012.

GO NUGGETS!

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say it's playoffs or bust"- J. Hammel
Toddfather, Tulo, CarGo plus The Answer - Rox 2011 NL West Crown
Orig.Thugget Loyalist #4, UNugg #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 9:46 AM MDT reply actions  

I'm a Sad Panda this mornin' =(

But we weren’t going to win the championship anyway. Just wish we would have put up a better fight than we did. We definitely went out swinging though and didn’t just lay down and die.

I think we made ourselves a legit rival this series. I know I’ll boo extra loud against OKC from now on, especially as long as Westbrook wears their uniform. He might be my least favorite player in any sport, with the exception of Todd Bertuzzi.

Gonna be an interesting off-season.

Assuming there even is basketball next season, I’ll be very interested to see who the nuggets resign from the squad, who they can pick up off the market, and if they can hit in the draft again (stealing Lawson from Minny was just brilliant) and what the team will look like.

I have a feeling there will be quite a few new faces on the team next season. I Don’t think Felton will stay, JR is probably gone and K-Mart and Chandler are 50/50 to me.

I’d like to keep Chandler despite his relative disappearance during the playoffs, I think he can be a really good player and he’s got good size. I think most everyone would agree that we pretty much have to sign Nene and Afflalo.

I’m also very hopeful we’ll see a lot more Mozgov (or Koufous, what’s his contract status?) next season. God knows how long Nuggets fans have been clamoring for a legit 7’ center and Moz showed some intriguing ability.

Future looks very interesting for team. The best part about the post-trade team was our ’07 like dominance against teams we were “supposed” to beat and a full season of that kind of play will put us in a much better position next post-season.

Can’t wait for next season, but until then I can still root for the Celtics.

Go Nuggets! (Sorry for the rambling, I just woke up)

"That's a white myth, Ken. Like Larry Bird or Colorado."

by Gr3yStreet on Apr 28, 2011 10:01 AM MDT reply actions  

haha same here man

im a huge rondo fan. i really hope they can take this series vs. the heat, regardless of what chantech’s system pops out.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?
firegeorgekarl.com

by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can't get behind another dynastic team winning.

It’s fascist!

Go Grizzlies!

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say it's playoffs or bust"- J. Hammel
Toddfather, Tulo, CarGo plus The Answer - Rox 2011 NL West Crown
Orig.Thugget Loyalist #4, UNugg #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

No offense to you

but I reallllly hate your team.

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say it's playoffs or bust"- J. Hammel
Toddfather, Tulo, CarGo plus The Answer - Rox 2011 NL West Crown
Orig.Thugget Loyalist #4, UNugg #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nothing

personal, but if LA and OKC play I’ll be rooting for Lakeshow. Now you know where they stand if a Nugg fans is rooting for lakers

Kmart the protector

by NewEraNugg on Apr 28, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

wow

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say it's playoffs or bust"- J. Hammel
Toddfather, Tulo, CarGo plus The Answer - Rox 2011 NL West Crown
Orig.Thugget Loyalist #4, UNugg #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just think OKC

is real cocky for having one all of one playoff series against a team w/ no stars. Lets see how they fair against the big boys. In sports when a team beats mine, I want that team to lose ASAP.

Kmart the protector

by NewEraNugg on Apr 28, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

we don't ALL feel that way

I can’t imagine a circumstance where I would ever, ever root for the Lakers.

Okay, maybe if they were playing the Al Quada basketball team or something.

Otherwise, no way in hell.

"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan

by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well Osama is pretty tall

He might have the edge on Pau

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say it's playoffs or bust"- J. Hammel
Toddfather, Tulo, CarGo plus The Answer - Rox 2011 NL West Crown
Orig.Thugget Loyalist #4, UNugg #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good,

I mean, I know you guys hate us. But the Lakers?

WE'RE DANCIN!!!

by bigs26 on Apr 28, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

im still torn

hate the lakers. dont really hate OKC, except for westbrook. ill probably jsut hope for an all out brawl.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

2011 Offseason Pickups: David West and Kirk Hinrich
firegeorgekarl.com

by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is why I'm on board with the Grizzlies

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say it's playoffs or bust"- J. Hammel
Toddfather, Tulo, CarGo plus The Answer - Rox 2011 NL West Crown
Orig.Thugget Loyalist #4, UNugg #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

i can live with the grizz

plus i would love to watch that matchup pending the refs let the grizz play physical.

an okc/memphis and boston/miami will be great 2nd round matchups for me to watch.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

2011 Offseason Pickups: David West and Kirk Hinrich
firegeorgekarl.com

by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

There is only one scenerio where I cheer for the Lakers

When they play the Heat. Hate that team.

I don’t have an issues with OKC…aside from Westbrook’s attitude, they all seem okay. Perk is a bully but that’s his job and he does it well…would love to have that guy on my team. Ibaka as well..he could be my favorite non-Nugget this side of Chauncey

by Pusherman on Apr 28, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

That would be

an explosive affair
(sigh)

It's Timofey MOZGOD time
Ujiri for MVE
Karl for COY
GALLO!!!

by Phil H. on Apr 28, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

my two cents for the offseason

no earth-shattering ideas here:

1. resign nene. no-brainer
2. resign AAA
3. resign chandler as long as someone else doesn’t overpay, which I doubt. Love his D and what he showed after the trade. I can let one horrid series pass since he could not get an open look all series.
4. Let Kenyon walk. health is too unreliable, and too much of an offensive liability. We should be looking for an athletic big man in trades or free agency.
5. Let JR walk. Him and GK is a bad marriage that needs to end, and we are stuck with GK. Although there is a chance we can retain JR on the cheap. I recall last time he was a FA he was coming off what remains his best statistical season, and there was approximately zero market for him, presumably because he’s seen as a headcase, which hasn’t changed one iota since.
6. I wouldn’t mind keeping Felton if he was happy with a backup role, but that won’t be the case. Definitely a deadline asset (either as decent PG or an expiring contract) to go shopping for a PF/wing player with. I’m just scared of having an inferior backup PG since GK will play a 2pg lineup no matter what the personnel.

Not convinced on Gallo yet and would wait to see him next season before extending. And Harrington is untradeable-just forget about it.

by Rainbow skyline on Apr 28, 2011 10:20 AM MDT reply actions  

anthony carter should be available

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
the smart thing is just to be smart- chauncey billups
we're on a mission from god

by nohoops4u on Apr 28, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Problem with keeping Felton (aka the Pacifier)

Is that Karl plays him…too much. He would be fine for 15-20 minutes, not at crunch time.

by Pusherman on Apr 28, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Karl used to play AC in crunch time.

it’s really a problem of moronic coaching. But as it is it’s crucial to have a good backup PG because he’s playing crunch time either way.

by Rainbow skyline on Apr 28, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Carter available?

The Nuggets would have got swept

by samdman on Apr 28, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm very much in agreement

across the board here, though I’d push to get rid of Felton this offseason to try to snatch a draft pick (though the lockout may make that impossible). I’m endlessly torn on JR but I get your reasoning here. I don’t want to see him go but I’m not sure it makes sense to see him stay and continue like this, especially at the price he’ll demand (assuming he’d be willing to stay anyway). Plus, it will be interesting to see how much he’s actually worth on the market. I think next year will be a small step back (from 50 wins/5 seed) to take a bigger step forward. A very nice young core, but a lot of work to be done before championship contention.

by Teekalong on Apr 28, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I presume you mean RE-SIGN Nene, AAA and Chandler

if you do, I agree… if you don’t you’re mad to have them resign!

Why not send Felton to Portland in a sign and trade for Oden?
I know he has been constantly injured, but an Oden, Nene, Gallo/Chandler front court with Ty and AAA makes for a fkn nice starting 5!

by iamhe77 on Apr 29, 2011 1:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

That is a huge gamble with Oden,

but if it worked out it would be sooooooooooo sick.

"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK

by love4nuggets on Apr 29, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ehh, not so sure about resigning Nene

There’s a good chance that he’ll be the best big man out on the market, which means that he’s very likely to get overpaid

"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.

"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin

by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

nene with the spurs

would extend duncan’s career. i can see jr going to chicago. thibbs would make him play D. smith would max his potential in chitown.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
the smart thing is just to be smart- chauncey billups
we're on a mission from god

by nohoops4u on Apr 29, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

It depends on whether the Spurs will be willing to spend

And whether Tiago Splitter will be able to produce

"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.

"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin

by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also

Trade Felton for either a late lottery pick (that we’ll use on a guy like Valanciunas or Markieff Morris) or a young big man who can produce. Sign-and-trade JR and stick him in that trade if necessary.

"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.

"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin

by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

greetings stifflings

started the regular season seeing the old nuggets on opening night. met feinstein AND former colorado govenor bill owens at the blue sky grill. got to talk to josh kroenke at stiffs night out and got the seasons final results over the internet. in between i lived and worked in akutan, alaska. we have people from 30 different countries working here. always very proud to tell them i’m a denver nuggets fan and to check out the denver stiffs. we have hit the trifecta this season. great ownership, locked up one of the nba’s winningest coaches for 3 more seasons AND PLAYERS THAT TRY AND GIVE A SHIT. no pain no gain. all things considered a great future is in store. now if we could only have a next season.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
the smart thing is just to be smart- chauncey billups
we're on a mission from god

by nohoops4u on Apr 28, 2011 10:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Hi Stiffies...I'm listening to Nate Kreckman

He played a clip from Kmart’s postgame talk.

He says “Durant is an up and coming superstar in this league. And he gets treated that way.”

"I think I speak for everyone in here when I say it's playoffs or bust"- J. Hammel
Toddfather, Tulo, CarGo plus The Answer - Rox 2011 NL West Crown
Orig.Thugget Loyalist #4, UNugg #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 10:30 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah. Kenyon was still clearly ticked about that overturned backcourt call

it certain rule interpretations are true….I don’t blame him

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by Jeffrey Morton on Apr 28, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I also think he was referring to some of the ticky tack fouls

that go Durant’s way. You know, like breathing on him as he runs by.

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

this

that’s not playoff bball IMO

Kmart the protector

by NewEraNugg on Apr 28, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

NBA...Where 8-on-5 happens.

I hate to blame the officiating for losses but it did play a small role. When the experts pretend that a team can’t win in the playoffs without a superstar to close out games they really mean you need a superstar to get those extra couple calls that help you win close games.

by CJNuggz on Apr 28, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

and one more thing

congrats to chauncey billups. the knicks picked up the final year of his contract. they were worried another eastern conference team would get him. bulls, celtics or heat could have really used him too.

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by nohoops4u on Apr 28, 2011 10:31 AM MDT reply actions  

yeah, very happy for Chauncey

hope he doesn’t stay mad at the Nugs forever, though :(

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

trade away everyone except ty for picks

rebuild this thing around ty. We’ll swallow 2-3 down seasons. Ty will make the all star team next season. And we’ll math any offer after he finishes next 2 years.

by TyLawesome on Apr 28, 2011 10:52 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't understand this

trade away all of our young talent so we can (hopefully) get…young talent? And on a team destined for 50+ wins next year?

by Rainbow skyline on Apr 28, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

50 wins followed by a first one boot cause we have no star

I’d rather go down the up higher, than stay at a 50 win and out. besides our front court is relatively old. Nene is at his peak, and I dunno about moz or the koof. their big ?s until they prove me otherwise.

by TyLawesome on Apr 28, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy, I'm still not convinced of needing a 'star'

Other than to get favorable calls. When you don’t have that guy to takeover the end of the game like Durant did, but have a fucking plethora of talent, you have to rely on good coaching and not he superstar. Our guys choked out there down the stretch, but I still think that was a result of Karl’s rotations, lack of plays, practice habits, etc.

by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 28, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Look at the past NBA champions

you need a Kobe, a Garnett or Pierce, a Duncan, a Wade, Sheed/Chauncey, Shaq, Jordan, Olajuwon, Isaiah Thomas, Bird, Magic (thats every champion in the last 25 years I believe). Like it or not thats what it takes to win championships in the NBA.

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by bigs26 on Apr 28, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

But Duncan wasn't a superstar before they won.

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Chauncey and Sheed weren't superstars

I think people are vastly underestimating the Nuggets talent. I know for a fact the Nuggets are convinced Gallo will be a star.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Apr 28, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

If the kid can't get some control over his limbs, I agree

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gallo should do Pilates and Yogo

That MoFo has no balance

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by CombatChuk on Apr 28, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok, so thats 2 instances in 25 years.

But even then, David Robinson was a borderline superstar for the first one and Pop is brilliant. Duncan was a 21 and 11 player out of college with a 22-23 PER, so thats not too far from superstar either, And the Detroit team was a defensive juggernaut with what 4 All Stars? (Sheed, Chauncey, Rip, Big Ben?). I’m not saying Gallo can’t become a superstar, I am saying that he or someone else on the Nuggets must become one for you guys to win. Because without a superstar it takes a ton of stuff to go right.

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by bigs26 on Apr 28, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Gallo will definitely be a star. Dude is a combo of Ginobili and Nowitski. Gotta love that guy and lock him up long-term.

by Gasus on Apr 28, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

disagree about Duncan

I mean, you could say he wasn’t a “superstar” because he doesn’t have much personality, has never been flashy to watch, and doesn’t get a lot of endorsement deals.

But he was the most highly coveted player in his draft, by far, because all the scouts knew he was going to be an incredibly dominating player.

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

On needing a Start

I think what most people miss is that the choice is not between having players that play as a team vs. having a star. We have been too jaded by having ‘stars’ that are not team oriented players (Melo/AI). In order to win consistently in the play offs you need to have both talent and chemistry.

Another way to put this is teams that win Championships have great talent (thus they have starts), but they also play well together as a team. The one exception that is brought up is Detroit, but I suspect that they won because LA, while they had a lot of talent, were dysfunctional as a team.

The reason you need a star is because you need talent. But it is much harder to get the top 5-10 players in terms of talent to join a team (unless you are a ‘storied’ franchise) than it is to find the top 20-30 type players to fill on the rest of the team once you have your team oriented star.

So you don’t need a ‘star’, what you need is talent that plays together. Right now Denver plays together, but they don’t have enough talent to match up against a team like OKC that has both.

by jbmmlang on Apr 28, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

lakers were 3 time nba champs going for a 4th

hard to make the argument they were dysfunctional as a team. rip hamilton was the leading scorer of the pistons with 18 ppg average. out of all the players that led their respective teams in scoring, hamilton’s ppg was the lowest in the nba. detroit did not take off right away. when they did 6 straight eastern conference finals were the result. i know it was the eastern conferene but still. just like billups there is no doubt a disposable superstar can evolve.

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by nohoops4u on Apr 29, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't want to trade our young guys

Just trade anybody over 27. Yes, we won’t have veteran/playoff experience in our roster except for Ty, AAA, and maybe Nene, but it’s not like we’re able to advance into the playoffs with what we have

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by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

JR Smith

I’m curious why you guys are so hot on re-signing JR Smith? From an outsider’s perspective, he seems to shoot you guys out of games almost as much as he shoots you into games, and your coach hates him to boot. You’re going to be spending $$$ most likely to either re-sign or match an Afflalo offer sheet, and you can’t really play Afflalo and Smith together on the court in most situations (I think?). Smith can probably find a team like Chicago that will blow MLE sized money on him if the MLE still exists.

If I were the Nuggets, I’d just re-sign Nene and Afflalo, and see what hole I could fill by trading Raymond Felton. Not sure what you should do with Chandler, but a S&T is viable if you don’t want to keep him.

Smith seems like the lowest concern out of all those things to me. Bench scoring isn’t hard to come up with.

by joov on Apr 28, 2011 10:57 AM MDT reply actions  

People love JR for his positive attitude at the Can and his unrealized potential

People blame Karl for a lot of his issues…right or wrong. I don’t love JR, but Karl does jerk him around and does talk a lot of shit about him. He will not be resigned.

Me I’m okay with letting him go. I like AAA much better…but I may be in the minority among the Stiffs.

by Pusherman on Apr 28, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I also like AAA better than JR

Of course, I always have (look at my fanposts from 1-1/2 to 2 years ago and you will find spirited JR rants)

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by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

cause he's got durant style shooting ability

and an explosive rim attack. He’s just so inconsistent. If he could just keep a high level all the time with his decision making… he’d be an all star.

by TyLawesome on Apr 28, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

He’s gonna be 26 years old at the start of next season, there’s a point where you have to weigh the possibilities of his style changing with the possibility that maybe he’s just a poor decision maker and won’t get better. He’s at his athletic peak, he’s probably not going to develop much further at this point of his career. If I was Denver, I’d be wary of devoting a lot of money to Smith, especially if you keep Afflalo. I’d look for a defensive center to stick next to Nene.

by joov on Apr 28, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

he doesn't need to improve his skills

he just needs better decision making. I’ve seen him at his best. He’s like wade

by TyLawesome on Apr 28, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Defensive center next to Nene

…is what the Nuggets have needed for 8 years. Camby was not the answer. Perhaps Moz will be.

by Pusherman on Apr 28, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should compete with the Mark Cuban and Erick Dampier Big Man Memorial and Preservation Fund for Tyson Chandler’s services.

by joov on Apr 28, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

every nba team nedds that

they’re really really hard to find

by TyLawesome on Apr 28, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

nene is fine at center, imo

he needs a PF thats a scoring threat.

i know ppl will disagree w me bc they want nene at PF.

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nene seems to have a lot of the same problems at center that Ibaka did. He’d be a lot better if he had someone to clean up the defensive glass for him consistently, keep him out of foul trouble, set screens (Kenyon Martin sucks at this). Just my opinion..

by joov on Apr 28, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

idk

1. ibaka doesnt have a low post game like nene. also, iblocka is great a roaming. and someone else can man the paint like perk. nene is great on the ball defender, but not as quick from the weakside like ibaka. ibaka is a freak.

2. we dont set very many screens anyway.

3. ibaka still rebounds better than perk, perk jsut takes up space and is a big body.

4. okc can afford to have perk and ibaka cloggin the paint on O, bc they have durant and harden for outside shooting. we dont really have that luxury. we want to create our O through nene, but without a scoring PF, they help defender is free to roam.

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Running the offense through Nene will require his usage to go up, though, won’t it? Nene still seems to go through stretches where he’s very passive and not ball dominant enough. I see Nene more as a great second option, than the fulcrum for an entire offense.

A lineup of T. Chandler-Nene-Gallinari-Afflalo-Lawson sounds really good to me on both ends. Putting someone like D. West in the equation will probably effect the Nuggets defense negatively, and D. West is a huge question mark with the injury, age, and likely contract he is going to earn.

by joov on Apr 28, 2011 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

u do make a point on west too

past 30, coming off injury and expensive contract. nene someimtes gets passive when hes in foul trouble, similar to last night. i still want our team to be well rounded, so a scoring PF is what i want. with a frontcourt of nene/tyson chandler, the paint is again clogged leaving ty little room to drive. gallo and aaa are good to go at the wings, but aaa can not create his own shot.

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure the paint is really clogged since you can run Nene or Chandler on screen and rolls and get open shots all day. Nene and Chandler are both terrific finishers at the rim (this series against OKC notwithstanding).

Gallinari, Lawson, and Afflalo are all good three point shooters.

I think it works well. A true center next to Nene would shore up your rebounding issues, and maybe get you some second chance points. Denver is a team that wants to get to the rim. David West likes to shoot jump shots. I don’t think he’s the answer for your team at all.

Chandler is probably an unrealistic get, but I would really like to see Nene next to a real center, with the good three point shooting and effective PnR game Lawson brings. Well, I would like it if I were a Nuggets fan, not so much being a Thunder fan…

by joov on Apr 28, 2011 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

defensively, that team would be awesome though

and id look forward to playing the thunder every year in the playoffs…lol. right now, not so much.

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

NO to Tyson Chandler

Just start Mozgov… He’s tall enough to scoop rebounds and defend shots

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by CombatChuk on Apr 28, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mozgov is an interesting prospect, but I’m not sure he’s a good rebounder. His rebound rate on the Knicks was underwhelming, despite playing with poor rebounders. In his limited Denver minutes he looked better on the boards, though.

Maybe you can get a center in trade using Raymond Felton, like how Phoenix got Gortat.

by joov on Apr 28, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm more of the mindset to just develop the 7 footers we have no

Koufos showed a lot in the last few games (and has a nice shooting touch)

Mozgov was pretty dominate during the FIBA competition last summer.

The problem with our front court is the KMart and Nene pairing. KMart isn’t a real good rebounder and a poor shooter. Nene has excellent shooting touch for a big man; but is also burdened with rebounding and Post defense.

Moving Nene to PF and having Mozgov at C does a couple of things. First it brings in two guys that are good at rebounding (instead of just one). Second It allows Nene some space to move around and possibly create a shot. Third you now have a legitimate 7 footer guarding under the rim, so the post defense is much improved AND there’s a much better chance of rebounding the ball.

A lot of people say Free Throws killed the Nuggets this series. I say it was the Thunder getting a shit ton of Offensive rebounds (with some help from the refs)

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by CombatChuk on Apr 28, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree that Nene at PF works out best for you guys, I’m just not sure Mozgov is the guy you want to do that with.

by joov on Apr 28, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me neither

But unless we draft Lucas Noguiera or over pay for Marc Gasol. Our options are limited.

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by CombatChuk on Apr 28, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

No Chandler

Tyson Chandler is just too old and there’s too many risk factors. Also, there’s a good chance that if the Mavs beat the Lakers in the playoffs, Mark Cuban will reward Tyson with a hefty 4 year, 45 million contract (like he’s done to all his other big men)

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by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

exactly

David West and Kirk Hinrich!!!!

thats my movement for this offseason!

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

ftr

opinion is pretty divided around here re. JR. I happen to be in full agreement with you on this one.

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

his decision makin is ok, it's just that he doesnt get the consistent pt so it puts a Iot of pressuure on him.

he makes adjustments, he usuaIIy makes a Iot of his bad decisions in easy games against bad teams, where he’s just kind of mess around and showin off for the fans.

but in the crunch, he is very soIid, and makes way Iess bad decisons that feIton or ty and has abiIity to make those big shots, and he steps up on defense as weII, see him against Iebron and aIso boxin out against other teams big, because our bigs dont kno how to reb.

by Rys on Apr 28, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Karl didn't ride his ass and fuck with him so much

He could have some sort of confidence and consistency.
I sure hope something happens where GMK can’t or won’t come back.

by samdman on Apr 28, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

apparently "sheets" is a new energy bar

and they are doing viral marketing around the slogan “take a sheet”, because you want to invoke feces when selling an energy bar, obviously.

it is funny though.

by Rainbow skyline on Apr 28, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's a breath mint, I think.

Like a listerine sheet.

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by love4nuggets on Apr 28, 2011 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

haa

J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT

by big_p.a.w.z. on Apr 29, 2011 7:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

when are we gonna know about any front office decisons

extensions? qualifying offers? who they’re gonna target in the draft

by TyLawesome on Apr 28, 2011 11:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Much like the NFL

I think they will hold off on free agent courting and whatnot because the CBA is about to expire. The draft will still take place and that’s the only thing we know for sure.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Apr 28, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

are you revisiting your series on the CBA?

I remember an excellent part one and nothing since. I think stiffs would appreciate learning more about it.

by Rainbow skyline on Apr 28, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

absolutely

part two will be coming up soon

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by Jeffrey Morton on Apr 28, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I haven't thought about free agent courting

since they’re going young, I can’t imagine who they’re going after. At least we knew last year they would try to get a big guy. ended with Al, but still the logic was there.

by TyLawesome on Apr 28, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

nene might get a prelockout extension

but other than that, need to wait for new CBA.

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

The JR Dilemma

I love him too, but he’s a 7-year VET! He’s been in the league long enough to have gotten it together. The reason Karl rides him is always frustrated with him is because he can’t take coaching and STILL hasn’t learned how to be a professional and play within the team concept. There are flashes of brilliance, which is so confounding, for Karl, for the team, and for the fans who love him so much.

He came in last night and took 3 awful forced shots, totally went against the flow of the offense and rightfully got yanked for it. At this point, if he hasn’t learned that he can’t continue to play that kind of game and stay in the coach’s good graces, he’s not going to learn. It’s just who he is. He has All-Star level talent, and he knows it. So he tries to go out and be Kobe every night.

I’d love to see him back, but I’m not buying into the assertion that “next year is the year he finally figures it out.” Karl probably won’t take that chance either. Their relationship isn’t all of a sudden going to get better. It hasn’t in four years, no reason to expect anything different.

by 12-piece Nuggets on Apr 28, 2011 11:37 AM MDT reply actions  

so kobe hasnt gotten his shit together much either, he took one bad shot, the other 2 were drives which karI wants his team to do and he got fouIed with no caII again.

not sayin next season is the season for him, just sayin if he gets his pt, he can make his impact. see his stats when he gets his pt.

by Rys on Apr 28, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Karl is still the coach next year

I think if you guys resign JR its a waste of money. Not because of talent, but because Karl has proved he isn’t going to give him significant time

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by bigs26 on Apr 28, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would keep JR

To me JR is still maturing but his positives far outweigh his negatives. He’s only 25. The only Nugget I would dump would be Al Harrington, who plays like a guy who’s chronically injured.

by Nuggburg on Apr 28, 2011 11:57 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

JR is gone b/c of Karl

He will stay if we fire Karl. It’s that simple

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by JR15 on Apr 28, 2011 12:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think so.

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want JR to stay more than anybody

But seriously only the biggest idiot in the world would try to work on a relationship with Karl.
Karl has impeded JR, it is so obvious as seen in game 5 where JR was playing well and Karl decided to pull him (we also lost of our 9 point lead coincidentally). When Karl does play JR, like he did in the Miami game, I saw a guy who paralleled Dwyane Wade by draining tough shots.
If you don’t think it is Karl that is impeding JR, I want to smoke that thing as well and pretend all is well.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Apr 28, 2011 12:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't say if Karl is impeding JR

Like I’ve said before, I view it more as a rather dysfunctional father-son relationship. I think Karl sees his potential but gets frustrated with some of JRs decision making.

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't answer that question.

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah i wouId not have as much of a probIem if he wouId be consistent with his guideIines.

but at this point it’s just personaI bias, in an effort to try and get feIton to be a nugget.

this is the NBA, dont caII other peopIe un professionaI, when you yourseIf try to take this ‘job’ to be some kind of personaI crusaade. he wants to make this more about the game Iike he’s tryin to teach the pIayers shitty things that dont impact winnin.

by Rys on Apr 28, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

We were up 3

When JR came out of the game

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by REAPtheThird on Apr 28, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think there is a good chance, based on his most recent comments

He seemed to be retracting some of his earlier statements. But I suspect if someone offers him more money than the Nuggets, he’ll leave. I just want him and Karl to work out their nonsense.

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

lost some sleep thinking about the Nugs last night

But had a great time hanging with Andy and crew last night watching game 5. We can play would’ve could’ve should’ve all off season, but we must remember that the whole structure of this franchise changed this past year, and its time to start moving forward to the future. Coach Karl has got the most out of JR, and Kmart he can and its likely time to say goodbye to them. This will allow Nene to be moved to PF and be more effective. Need to keep Chandler and AAA at the right price, decide whether Felton is worth keeping, and find a young, good sized 2 guard capable of playing PG and can provide versatile scoring off the bench to replace JR. They also need to do better scouting and drafting to develop players for the future. Coach Karl also needs to get some experienced former head coaches as assistants to be a sounding board to give some honest feedback and to also teach this team more sound defensive and offensive philosphies. Thanks to the Stiffs for being the support group that all real Nuggets fans need!

by jd80229 on Apr 28, 2011 12:06 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

We could pull a 2002 Denver Nuggets

Y’all remember what happened in the summer after that, right?

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by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've got love for asst. coach Melvin Hunt who joined us this year

He has no previous head coaching experience, but tons of assistant coaching experience. Lakers, Rockets, Cavs. Great addition, IMHO.

by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 28, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hunt was a good signing no doubt

But I don’t see anyone else on the bench right now who could take over or provide a counter opinion to Coach Karl when in game adjustments need to be made, which appears to be a weak point of this coaching staff. Karl had that sounding board guy in Grgurich even though he wasn’t HC material. You look at the experience on OKC’s bench in guys like Mo Cheeks. They could us some successful playoff veteran players on the bench too.

by jd80229 on Apr 28, 2011 12:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hunt was a good signing no doubt

But I don’t see anyone else on the bench right now who could take over or provide a counter opinion to Coach Karl when in game adjustments need to be made, which appears to be a weak point of this coaching staff. Karl had that sounding board guy in Grgurich even though he wasn’t HC material. You look at the experience on OKC’s bench in guys like Mo Cheeks. They could us some successful playoff veteran players on the bench too.

by jd80229 on Apr 28, 2011 12:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

so nice he said it twice!

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by Jeffrey Morton on Apr 28, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

What I think will be interesting

is how OKC keeps their team together. It is obvious Durant and Westbrook will both get max contracts. However I believe they just dished out a big contract to Perkins like 12 mil per? So what are they going to do when Harden, Ibaka and Maynor all become free agents. Those guys I could see all demanding more than 7 mil per. They will not be able to keep all of them. That is what I am interested in. Much like Denver this year. I have no idea who or what they plan on doing. I just hope they can move Nene to PF, work Kouf or Moz into a starter, keep AAA and go from there.

I was also trying to believe that you can win in this league without a superstar and you may be able to in the regular season. However in the playoffs I think you need that superstar/go-to-guy. If we would have had Melo this series would be 3-2 right now in our favor. He would not have let us gone 6 minutes without making a point in game 3 and he would have been able to finish off OKC with 3 minutes left and an 8 point lead. Hate to say it but the superstars and go to guys get it donein the clutch and get the calls. We may have that in Gallo, we may not. But in order to succeed we need one.

I also really hope we keep JR, my favroite player. If he walks I hope it is to Chicago or a team in the East so I don’t have to watch him kill us when he plays for a coach who knows how to utilize him. I hope they find a way to keep him. I’d rather keep him over Chandler to be honest and trade Chandler somewhere else not named New York. They can fuck off with their sign and trade of Landry Fields for him. Fields’ true colors showed after the trade and they were pretty dull. I hope massai picks up the phone and laughs at them. Well there’s my end of the season rant. Adios Amigos.

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by NastyNessy71 on Apr 28, 2011 12:07 PM MDT reply actions  

okc is in a great situation

perkins is only at ~7-8M per year. w a $9M salary in 2014/2015. ibaka and harden are locked in until at least 2012/2013 season. by that time, okc will know if they have a dynasty building. if they do, everyone will get paid. if they dont trades will happen.

i can see westbrook leaving for a bigger payday after next season. but right now its a PG league and okc can easily find a replacement that compliments this team.

they are scary.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/oklahoma_city.htm

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

assuming there is a lockout tho 2012 may be the next season we see in the NBA… I don’t think they will be able to keep them all and yes I too see Westbrook heading to LA when Kobe is done. I think he will be taking Kevin Love with him to replace Pau.

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by NastyNessy71 on Apr 28, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

but they will easily sign ibaka and harden to extensions during or after the 2013 season. they are sitting perfect financially right now and they have a fkn beastly team already. its ridiculous. on top of that, collison is only gettin paid like ~2.4M per year going forward.

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Idk man

I don’t think they will. Ibaka and Harden will both demand more than Perk anywehre from the 8-12 mil range. I don’t think they can keep both unless Westbrook walks.

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by NastyNessy71 on Apr 28, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

they wont let ibaka walk

way too valuable. could be a DPOY in the future. they will match watever offer he gets if he doesnt sign an extension.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

harden can be replaced.

westbrook probably not, but its not hard to find a good PG these days. esp one that just has to defer to KD and Ibaka will be an offensive weapon too.

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

yup

I’m afraid the Thunder might be the new Spurs — got stupid lucky in the draft lottery, and have been managing assets incredibly well ever since.

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Presti came from the Spurs

And he has been brilliant

WE'RE DANCIN!!!

by bigs26 on Apr 28, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

and

the Blazers drafted Oden instead of Durant, so the best player in the draft fell into their laps

stupid lucky

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

The thing was

I remember reading that Presti would choose Durant over anybody if he was available

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by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

right

The Sonics/Thunder got stupid lucky that the Blazers didn’t snatch up Durant first.

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

other teams frontIine te nd to Iook great against our frontIine of nene and sideshows.

I wouId Iike to see how OKC does against teams that dont under mine themseIves and seIf impIode before crownin them.

OKC stiII makes a Iot of TOs, dont shoot that weII in the cIutch, of course this team Iet them get their confidence.

with meIo yeah we probabIy wouId have won, if nothin eIse than not Iettin chandIer pIay so much and not havin feIton be the go to guy in the cIutch. aIso he owns kd.

work it out with jr, karI is the coach not the gm, our gms do seem to have some Iogic and Iess bias, they dont seem to take karIs opinions too srsIy.

by Rys on Apr 28, 2011 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thoughts

Yes, am bummed on how the Nuggs have been booted in the 1st round. But more than that, I think we got exposed in this series and changes have to be made if the Nuggs are going to make a run next year in the playoffs.

#1. We need a clutch scorer, preferably a vetren.

2 thoughts here:
- With CBA coming, perhaps a solid vet will be available.
- If Tim Duncan retires, and they decide to rebuild, I think acquiring Ginobli (if they’ll part with him) would fix the Nuggs issues. I doubt Ginobli will be available to the Nuggs, but someone like that is will cure what is missing from the Nuggs.

#2. Need to re-sign Nene – this is the biggest no-brainer on the list of to-do’s for the FO.

#3. I think they should sign AAA as well. I believe he will only get better from here.

#4. JR – I’m torn. Very honestly, the drama is sad around him almost every year. He does make a difference in some games, but he can shoot us out of others rapidly. I don’t think its a killer either way whether we keep him or let him go. His price tag may end up dictating what happens and what GK says to Masai and Josh.

#5. K-Mart. Loved his leadership down the stretch, but unless he is willing to sign a 3-year contract (which is MAX they should go for given his legs) and at about $3-5 MM, they should let him walk. There are other guys who can provide leadership on this team.

#6. Chandler – I liked what I saw yesterday and for most of the late reg season. I think he’s worth giving a shot to provided he doesn’t get an astomical figure Nuggs have to match.

#7. Felton – I love his mental toughness on the road. He is tougher mentally than Ty. He rebounded nicely from a terrible game on Monday to have a decent showing yesterday. Maybe took a couple too many 3s. But, if Nuggs can get a clutch player in a trade or a very good pick, and can package Harrington, I’d hope they would pull that trigger.

Wow – its a lot of pieces we’re talking about here. Would like to see the NY side of the Melo trade pan out for the Nuggets.

by SVRamMan on Apr 28, 2011 12:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Everybody is so kind to Karl because of his illness. That's the true.

Of course i wish Karl get 100 years old……..not coaching though.

His decision to go with felton in crunch time along with brave Ty
was beyond the limits of logic.

Someone get the plus minus of two pg in the series? Is there anyone who thinks positive of two pgs lineups?

Despite the talent and good coaching of okc, despite the referees, despite our injuries, we could have won this series without Karl.

Felton giocatore di merda!

by totti on Apr 28, 2011 12:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Would we have won this series with Adrian Dantley?

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Dantley was in a horrible position last season

He’s not a great coach, but his situation was exacerbated by being thrown into the fire of a playoff race with a headstrong team. So it made everything worse.

This was Karl’s poorest coaching effort (in the playoffs) since he’s been in Denver. He just seemed to be clueless in many situations and too stubborn in others. Such is the life of the coach. Karl will be around for another three years, speculating on a replacement is kinda silly right now.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Apr 28, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

can we put this AD thing away, he's not a reaI NBA coach and isnt IikeIy to be in Iine for any NBA jobs.

if karI goes, this team wouId go with meIvin not AD.

this coaching effort is just as comparabIe to those Iaker games, where he had AC guardin kobe and meIo had to teII him to put in kIeiza to win the game, where his Iack of inbound pIays cost the team 2 games.

where karI watched his team go down 4 to 0, and the pIayers on the team were yeIIing at him to do ‘do something,’ instead of sittin on the bench Iike he isnt the coach of this team.

where karI decided to start shit kmart when pIayin against the cIippers, and benched one of his star pIayers because of a personaI confIict resuItin a humiIiatin Ioss to the cIippers, yeah we said oh Iook at how great the cIippers are goin to be too, ofc their owner is kind of bad.

karI has shown to be cIueIess again and again, the difference is in the reguIar season these things dont come up and bite you as hard, but stiII you can see that these shouId be fixed and wouId be an issue in the pIayoffs which they were.

by Rys on Apr 28, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

But I have 1000 wins!

Which makes me one of the greatest coaches in NBA history.
How can you say I suck?

by georgekarl on Apr 28, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

god no

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by NastyNessy71 on Apr 28, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

cancer is tough mentally esp for someone going through it twice

And for someone over the age of 60. My mom had cancer 5 yrs ago and it aged her mentally about 10 yrs in terms of memory, sharpness, and demeanor. I hope that is not affecting Coach Karl but I would not be surprised if it is, esp with two go arounds of treatment which is way more that the average person that age can handle.

by jd80229 on Apr 28, 2011 12:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

nice way to put it

in terms of memory, sharpness, and demeano

J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT

by big_p.a.w.z. on Apr 29, 2011 7:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well Felton did play in crunch time

And almost killed us with poor FT shooting. It was more that JR actually played most of the 4th that we won the game. Oh I forgot to mention Gallo too. Karl refused to play both in near the end of the 4th last night.
The Thunder couldnt do anything those 2 and Karl still refused to play them. He OBVIOUSLY didn’t care about winning. Even my mom was like why aren’t the guys who were scoring so much in the game in the end. I bet a little kid could figure it out. I think Karl is good regular season coach, but he has no clue in the playoffs.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Apr 28, 2011 12:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1000 again JR15

You and I are on the same page about this team. It is the correct page too.

by Gasus on Apr 28, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

good lord

im just realizing how beastly OKC is gonna be for the next 5+ years. god dammit!

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 12:47 PM MDT reply actions  

True,

celtics, spurs and lakers are as ols as my parents.

Future belong to okc and chicago unless lebron……….

by totti on Apr 28, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

yup, we gotta get used to this

big thorn in our side for a long time, probably

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't fret

The Nuggets have a pretty scary group of young talent themselves. I may be an OKC fan, but I’m glad the Denver series is over, just because they are continually getting better. Heck, in a year or two, they’ll be talking about Denver the way they talk about OKC.

by Chris Brian Shifflett on Apr 29, 2011 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

This looks shopped

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

It actually happened, back when they played on the same team (forgot if it was CBA or some other league) the year before Spud entered the NBA.

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by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I remember seeing it

in my S.I. for kids. Also saw Bol play at McNichols. So boring. The poor guy couldn’t run the floor so he would just sit on the defensive end and wait for the ball to come back down.

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by love4nuggets on Apr 29, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey Andrew

Thanks for the Simmons like, it’s EXCELLENT. Very long, well worth the read.

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 1:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Simmons *link*

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by ParkHillNative on Apr 28, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Post-Season Moves

Trade Felton. The honeymoon is over with the Lawson-Felton experiment IMO. Take a look at Dallas’ Jose Berea. This kid has numbers comparable, if not better than Felton, for perhaps half the salary.
Re-sign Wilson or make a play for Shane Battier? Potential .vs Experience. Good D players but I prefer experience at this point, plus Battier is a better shooter.
Re-sign Nene. No-brainer with an asterisk. Nugs must move Mosgov or Koufos into a starting role and move Nene to PF.
Re-sign AAA. Gotta love his passion for the game.
Let JR go. It just isn’t going to work as long as GK is coaching this team. JR will always be a problem child with a great, albeit inconsistent, shooting touch. Flashes of brilliance offset by droughts of dumbness.
K-Mart. With rose-colored glasses firmly in place, I would love to see Kenyon and the Nugs work out a deal. I was very impressed how Kenyon stepped up his game and leadership role after The Trade. The Nuggets need his leadership and toughness – but at what price?
Re-sign Gary Forbes. I think some forget this was his rookie season. Upside potential is there for not much $$.
Melvyn Ely. Who?

by The_WJM on Apr 28, 2011 1:47 PM MDT reply actions  

i was a little dissappointed in kmarts effort last night

he didnt bring the fire IMO. he was slow to loose balls and standing around for rebounds. he did have 10 rebounds, but i thought a lot of okc’s offensive boards were due to him just standing there. im not sure if he was tired, injured or wat. he did seems to be favoring his knee in game 4 on the sideline.

kmart was our captain and he didnt bring that aggressiveness last night. our teams was step too slow on rebounds and loose balls.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

but I didn’t see anyone really getting after it last night. No excuse for K-Mart, but he had played about 10 minutes more per game down the stretch than his norm.

by The_WJM on Apr 28, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'd go for tayshaun over battier

veteren with good D. can hit the 3. still relatively young and seems over his injury issues from the previous year.

by skithebert on Apr 28, 2011 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

holy crap

42 FT attempts for the Thunder. And we actually shot well from the FT line this game.

Yea uh huh you know what it is
Blue and yellow blue and yellow
Blue and yellow blue and yellow
yea uh huh

by kushikun on Apr 28, 2011 1:50 PM MDT reply actions  

dislike x100000000000000

Yea uh huh you know what it is
Blue and yellow blue and yellow
Blue and yellow blue and yellow
yea uh huh

by kushikun on Apr 29, 2011 4:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey Andrew

I hope you got a spot on the next “Stiffs List” for George Karl….

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by CombatChuk on Apr 28, 2011 2:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Good Luck Next year

Hey nuggets fans… good luck next year. I enjoyed watching your team the last month of the season. OKC was 7-1 against the nuggets in the last 8. While I do not think the thunder are 7 games better then the nuggets in a 8 game run I do think they are the better team right now. With that said you guys have some great players… JR Smith is a game changer and hits some amazing shots, I think if he ever finds a coach who can understand him he will be a game changer. Sadly it looks like you need to either let him go or find a new coach. If Nene ever starts hitting freethrows he is gonna be a beast as well.

As for the hate around here for westbrook I understand it completely. He is still young and wears to much emotion on his face during games. I think he will tone it down with age, and hopefully act like he has been there before. He could take some hints from KD who handles it all perfectly. Anyway, try not to hate us for one young guy… he will learn to handle himself better, and he has Durant as an example.

One comment on the refs…. I feel your pain. The game one call was BS and really that should have gone to you guys. I think OKC wins the series anyway, but I did not like seeing that call. The over and back can be debated but I think it was the right call. Really KD should have just ran into the backcourt and brought the ball back up the floor…. there would have been no issue then. I just wish the NBA refs would set the tone for a game and call it like that the whole time. Either let them bang or Call the touch fouls, but don’t change every other trip down the floor.

Anyway, both teams are so young that I am sure we will be doing this for the next few years. I honestly think you guys beat most other matchups out in the west in a 1st round series, we felt the same way last year when we had to play the lakers. Good luck next year, I will be rooting for you guys. (As long as it is not against us) :p

by OKC on Apr 28, 2011 3:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Great Post

I’m rooting for you guys and the Blazers!

"I am te real mozgov. Stopp say I fake fans"

by KevinAwesome on Apr 28, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kenyon says "Winning is more important than starting".

Interesting read from the DP

I hope this means he’d be okay not starting for us but staying with the Nuggets.

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 4:06 PM MDT reply actions  

me too

I’d take him as 1st big off the bench with Nene starting at PF.

by JBnuggs on Apr 28, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

id guess hes leaving then lol

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

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by 808inDenver on Apr 28, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ehh, it's hard to say

It depends on whether Martin will be wiling to take a $10 million paycut from last year

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by LACK on Apr 29, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go After

David West (with big money)
Develop Kouf/Moz and trade the other the other with Felton & Harrington
Sign Kenyon to a very minimal contract
Resign Affalo, Forbes, and Nene
Extend Gallo (get it? LOLOLO)

I’m torn about what to do with Chandler. I’d resign him but at what Harrington is making.

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by KevinAwesome on Apr 28, 2011 5:38 PM MDT reply actions  

I think extending and expanding Gallo makes sense.

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

off season...

re sign jr.
trade feIton, aaa, chandIer and 1st round pick and throw aI and bird in with them.
see if that minnesota pick is stiII avaiIabIe for gaIIo.
Iet kmart go.
re sign nene.
re sign forbes

roster
ty/jr
forbes/jr
gaIIo/jr
nene/koufos
koufos/moz

bench
eIy, 7 footer, 7 footer, wafer, weems.

by Rys on Apr 28, 2011 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice article Andrew

Very good review of the season. Well done.

Some points are up for debate like JR and Karl, but overall that was a very well written post.

by gonugs on Apr 28, 2011 5:52 PM MDT reply actions  

sounds like Kmart is done with us

He’s prbly gonna sign with Boston. Let’s see if we can get a sign and trade for that Okc draft pick that boston has.
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_17951083

by TyLawesome on Apr 28, 2011 6:54 PM MDT reply actions  

I swear it's like no one reads what anyone post here.

:P I posted that up thread…just a wee bit :P

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

And there is nothing in that article that tells me he's signing with Boston.

Where do you get that notion?

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Boston loves to sign

Former studs in their twilight years.

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by KevinAwesome on Apr 28, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree, I don't get that. I get, he wants $$, he wants to win.

I don’t think Boston is poised to win. I think he would sign with Miami if it came down to brass tax, but he has been emotional about not getting Al Harrington money so if a winner offers him the MLE, he takes it. Otherwise I bet the Nuggs sign him for less than the MLE.

RIP QPU...Quitters never win and winners never quit!

by DjSarcazm on Apr 30, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think this is great news

We can sign him as a back up sf/pf to Nene/gallo.
This is good news. If not he can leave and we won’t feel bad!

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by RPN on Apr 28, 2011 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow. Lakes beating NO 83-63

with 6 minutes left in the 4th. 63 points for NO???!!! Whaaaaa

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by SDcat09 on Apr 28, 2011 8:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for that

I think Karl, JR and MU all kind of say they want JR back without saying it.
I hope he comes back. Would be a stupid decision if they didn’t IMO.

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by RPN on Apr 28, 2011 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Most excellent and esteemed Stiffs

We reach the end of an amazing season, so farewell to those of you who will be gone during the off-season.
We have seen a partial transformation that needs to be completed.

SWOT analysis:

S trengths: Team attitude, ball movement, team defense, youth, speed, size

W eaknesses: Rebounding, FT, go-to-guys

O pportunities: develop young bigs, run but also embrace half-court game, AAA and Gallo take big shots, pieces to trade, cap space

T hreats: fear of change (Kmart and JR must walk), stubborn coach, lack of experience

All in all, I’d say we’re in pretty good shape. Tweak here, tweak there. And ready the for the next big WC rivalry with OKC.

Love to you all and GO NUGGETS!

by slader on Apr 29, 2011 7:43 AM MDT reply actions  

Grazie, Slader!

Just finished a business plan, so appreciate the SWOT. I’d say you pretty much nailed it.

"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK

by love4nuggets on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think if Kmart resigns at <MLE number for 2 or 3 years he

would be good to bring back. He is a leader out there!

RIP QPU...Quitters never win and winners never quit!

by DjSarcazm on Apr 30, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow spam...really?

BUCKETS!!!!! ….I hope they don’t ship out Al….he makes….BUCKETS!!!!!!!!!!

RIP QPU...Quitters never win and winners never quit!

by DjSarcazm on Apr 30, 2011 6:40 PM MDT reply actions  

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