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Mr. Logic talks Nugs

Mr. Logic.  He's a pain in the ass.

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Had a cup of coffee with the guy the other day and I tried to keep the conversation light. 

"Hey, have you seen the new-look Nuggets?" I asked.   "They could do some damage this year - sharing the ball, playing great defense, lots of weapons, great effort, chips on their shoulders," I raved on.

"The Denver Nuggets have no chance of advancing beyond the first round of the playoffs this year," he stated with Spock-like detachment.

"Come on, man, have you seen them play?" I asked.  "They're playing very good basketball right now (this talk happened before the Clippers game)"

"This Denver team has no reliable go-to scoring option. There has never been an NBA team  in the modern era to advance deep in the playoffs without at least one superstar to carry the team when they need a lift.  Not one ."

"Maybe so, but there is plenty of talent on this roster ready to fill the void left by CB and Melo, " I said. " Take J.R. Smith, for example.  That guy's a freak.  All he needs is an opportunity to play regular starting minutes."

"J.R. Smith has had six years to prove himself.  He has not proven to be that guy.  Statistics show that if a person has not met expectations placed upon them within six years, the odds of those expectations ever being met are 1 to 1,000,000,000,000.  It is highly unlikely he will ever be what we call a superstar."

"Well, he would be with a different coach, one that knew how to handle him.  George Karl is too inconsistent with him, he doesn't praise him enough when he does well, and he doesn't give him enough regular rotation minutes to get comfortable with his role," I said.  "Karl needs to go."

"George Karl is one of the best coaches in the history of the NBA," said Mr. Logic.  "He has won over 1,000 games, he has led three different franchises on title runs.  Observe the difference in how J.R. Smith performed for George Karl compared to  Adrian Dantley.  The entire team collapsed last year without his leadership.  I'm not sure what the quality is that George Karl has - I find it difficult to measure - but if you measure success by wins versus losses, George Karl is very successful."

"Okay, okay, if not J.R., we've got options.  Gallo is a young stud.  AAA is a leader with ice in his veins.  And he keeps getting better.  Nene is having a breakout year.  Lawson has mercurial speed and can light anybody up."  Any of those guys could be the next go-to guy."

"None of those guys are the next go-to guy.   Danilo Gallinari is a career 42% shooter averaging 16 points a game.  He is young.  It's not practical to think he would make such a transition so soon.  When you say AAA, I assume you are referring to Arron Afflalo, the spirited shooting guard.  I have noticed some  positive qualities with him that I can not seem to describe objectively.  I'm afraid his game is limited though.  He tries, but he just not physically gifted enough to be the person you are suggesting.  Nene Hilario?  While his statistics are progressing in a positive trend, the data he has provided over his 8 year career shows that he also will never be that person.  Ty Lawson?  Too short."

"You know, you really are a buzzkill," I said. "Look, I know the odds are long that my Nuggets make a run this year, but you've got to admit it would be a great story."  "Next year, though.  Next year, things are looking promising!"

"It is unlikely that there is an NBA season next year due to the CBA expiring. If the two sides can come to an agreement, however, I suspect that the Nuggets will struggle to remain competitive.  I overheard Danilo Gallinari, Russell Westbrook and Kevin Love talking at the NBA All Star game.  They have already agreed to sign together with the Los Angeles Lakers when their current contracts expire.  Your favorite team  would be best off trading him next year for three or four solid role players while they can get at least 40% of the value back."

"Alright, screw you, Mr. Logic.  Why do you always have to stand in the way of my pursuit of happiness, you self-righteous bastard?"  I tell you what, I'll put a twelve pack  on the Nuggets winning the NBA championship within the next five years.  What do you think of that?"

"You know I don't drink.  Alcohol is statistically the number one killer in America.  And besides, you still haven't paid up on that bet from 1985 when you were so sure that Alex English and a bunch of stiffs could beat the Lakers in the Western Conference championships.  I find it  peculiar how you continue to believe in this team against such great odds."

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GOOOOOOOOOO NUUUUUUGGGGGGEEEEEEETTTTTTTSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice post! Can’t wait to continue to bleed powder blue any yellow!!!

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by love4nuggets on Mar 6, 2011 8:37 PM MST reply actions  

Oh and as for ol' Mr. Logic, FTD!!!! :)

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by love4nuggets on Mar 6, 2011 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Fuck That Dude!

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by love4nuggets on Mar 7, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Why do we watch sports

If it is not for the Cinderella story. I would never follow the NBA if everything was as predictable as Mr. logic says it is. Sounds like he is a Lakers fan. Good luck getting those 3 on your team after the CBA.

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by JR15 on Mar 6, 2011 8:44 PM MST reply actions  

And to his not one reliable go to guy

I give you the Spurs/ Pistons. Duncan was not necessarily a go to guy. It was score by committee between Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. NOT a single go-to scorer like he claims.
I also think score by committee can work well, does Mr. logic think we were better off with Melo??
Ah screw it the reason I love the Nuggets is because there are so many Mr. logics in this world. I love haterz, they just make it that much better when the team wins.
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by JR15 on Mar 6, 2011 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

They were score by committee yes, but

They had better defined roles and were a “seasoned” team. The Spurs of 2004 we are NOT unfortunately. We could be… but are not as of right now, not even close.

And Duncan was a go-to guy. I don’t see how you don’t think he was. If they needed 2, they had no qualms about dumping it down low to him, and there was a good chance for an and-1 too.

by stiffy on Mar 7, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe b/c I am used to the Duncan of today

I still think go-to guy is a vague definition.
I want to give Gallo a chance before I go the way of Mr. Logic.
If he can get to the line at will, and he definitely drives to the rim whenever he can, he can be the go to guy
What’s not to say the Ty Lawson and Gallo become the all-stars we want them to be?
Also think logic is under rating Nene. Sure his stats might not be great but he plays great defense and has size. He is one of those players where I don’t care what his scoring average is as long as he plays D and maintains a post presence/ commands a double, he is doing his job.

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by JR15 on Mar 7, 2011 11:47 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Evil Spock approves of this article.

Why Gallo?, because there is no Me in lo.

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

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by CloudBurst on Mar 6, 2011 9:26 PM MST reply actions  

why do you doubt ty lawson?

His starting stats are very similar to chris paul’s sophomore campaign. Both guys are the same size.

by TyLawesome on Mar 6, 2011 9:42 PM MST reply actions  

It is not alaskafan who doubts Ty

It is Mr. Logic, who is clearly a Lakers fan, or is very cynical about the NBA. It is one or the other, nothing in the grey just the way Spock likes it.

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by JR15 on Mar 6, 2011 10:22 PM MST up reply actions  

again can we not simpIy throw coaching credentiaIs and pass them off as some kind of comparabIe statistic, that's not IogicaI at aII.

It’s pretty much sayin X player is an aII star so he has to be a great player. simpIy put Karl does not pass the eye test, there are too many WTF things goin on and if you are going by Iogic then Karl is probabIy the Ieast compIementary coach towards making rationaI decisions as he is set in his ways, and onIy makes adjustments when he can feeI the heat, but those adjustments go away as soo n as he has some moderate room to be biased again.

by Rys on Mar 6, 2011 10:26 PM MST reply actions  

Agree completely

I am only going to give him a pass and see what his rotations are like with Gallo. I am not holding my breath, you are definitely right that he doesn’t adjust to in game situations.
Harrington should not get minutes and we should not close out a game with 2 PGs. If Karl takes care of that, then I won’t complain about him.
He is working the refs and pacing the sidelines again which is good to see.

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by JR15 on Mar 6, 2011 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I haven't notcied the face in the palm as much since the trade

But maybe that is me. I thought GK was trying to talk to the team yesterday. I mean he might get mad at the refs and do it, but not at his team. You can tell he is into the game much much more than he was when Melo was here.
The rotations are what grind my gears though.

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by JR15 on Mar 6, 2011 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I think what this team needs is a power forward

Kenyon is too small and fragile, Harrington is 6’9 but can’t do anything besides get hot 1 in 15 games from outside. We need a bruiser like Ibaka, Jordan etc. in order to compete with the rising trend of athletic PF’s. I just don’t know who or how and what do we trade to get there.

Why Gallo?, because there is no Me in lo.

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by CloudBurst on Mar 6, 2011 10:47 PM MST up reply actions  

umm

we have one in Nene. If only Mozgov can get minutes at the 5.
Also I think Ibaka is the second coming of Birdman. Nothing spectacular, but he can block shots and bring energy.

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by JR15 on Mar 6, 2011 11:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

I would like to see them both together on the court before I knock it, have they been on the court together at all?

Why Gallo?, because there is no Me in lo.

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

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by CloudBurst on Mar 6, 2011 11:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Ibaka's already a better offensive player than Birdman.

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by Screwfish on Mar 7, 2011 5:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Really?

He doesn’t have any reliable post moves and most of his attempts are dunks.
I mean he is better than Birdman of old by a bit, but he isn’t a premier bigman that people think he is.

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by JR15 on Mar 7, 2011 10:14 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

K-Mart to "small and fragile"

I would love to see anyone, including NBA players, say that to his face. It would be worth the price of admission. He has bad knees but I would not call him small and fragile.

by Pusherman on Mar 7, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

+ billions and billions

Maybe he will become an MMA fighter soon.

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by love4nuggets on Mar 7, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Ibaka can also defend power forwards man to man, which is Birdman’s big failing: lack of a true defensive position. He’s a better help defender than Ibaka though.

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by atomiccafe on Mar 8, 2011 8:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I honestly think

the 2 point guards with Gallo, Nene and AAA will actually destroy a lot of teams late in games. 2 incredibly fast facilitators to go with 2 deadly shooters from outside and two guys who can beast down low in Nene and Gallo. I think that lineup will get a lot of open shots and make a lot of open shots. We’ll see though

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by NastyNessy71 on Mar 7, 2011 12:12 AM MST up reply actions  

and aIso the AD thing is ridicuIous as well.

fix that, the other stuff is ok, other than the Iawson comment because he’s comparabIe in size to PauI, but CP3 seems to have no issue makin the big shot. should have argued because Iawson does not have the taIent and consistency that CP3 has, aIthough CP3 aIso is not that great of a shooter, but somehow does it in the cIutch.

by Rys on Mar 6, 2011 10:36 PM MST reply actions  

i like mr logic

he makes a lot of sense except for when it comes to george karl. a guy who has a bunch of wins isn’t necessarily great. take joel anthony of miami heat for example. lots of wins on that team but he is a stinker. 20mpg and all you get is 1.9pts per game and a few boards here and there. but he has lots of wins under his belt.

he is on the money regarding not having a go to guy for scoring but that is a slippery slope. melo was that guy and it has its ups and downs. a seriously great scorer must also be a strong leader who isnt afraid to boss the other guys around. kobe is a good example of that. so dont just say a go to scoring guy because we had one and didnt know what to do with him. when he was in a rhythm everyone else was content to stand around and watch. he needed to yell at guys like jr and say get your butt in the game!

nene could be that guy but he is too passive. for a guy with nearly the best fg% in the league and for all the minutes he plays, he only averages 15ppg. this is a coaching flaw.

fire george karl

by Over-and-back on Mar 6, 2011 11:24 PM MST reply actions  

Oh man don't get me started on the Nene thing

if Nene took 5-10 more shots a game his FG% would most likely go down to 60% but that is still VERY GOOD for his position, he isn’t a bad 10-15 foot shooter but he hardly shoots from there. No one even tries to block Nene once he is 5 feet within the basket because it results in a and1.

For as great as he was last night, he should of got 10 more shots, that would of been the difference.

Why Gallo?, because there is no Me in lo.

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

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by CloudBurst on Mar 6, 2011 11:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Nene has peaked yes

But he’s still damn good. I got very offended when I heard one announcer recently (think it was Kenny Smith but can’t quite recall) trying to praise the Nuggets when they said essentially “none of these guys would be either the #1 or #2 guy on a team anywhere else in the league” and I thought, you have GOT to be kidding me! Nene could start on probably 25 other teams in this league right now.

by stiffy on Mar 7, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Dude, what team WOULDN'T he start on?

Maybe the lakers? He’s versatile enough that he would shore up any team’s problems at C or PF.

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by love4nuggets on Mar 7, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Pretty sure he would start over Bynum on the Lakers

I think 100% of the teams in the league would start him

by Gasus on Mar 8, 2011 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Orlando is probably the only one who might not

Bass and Howard is a good combo

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by Zachm219 on Mar 8, 2011 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Nene is soooooo much better than Bass.

No contest.

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by love4nuggets on Mar 8, 2011 9:53 PM MST up reply actions  

not sure if that's what Kenny meant

I saw that too, I think he just means nobody on the Nuggets current roster would be the first or second best player on the team.

by ParkHillNative on Mar 7, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldnt say so, it looks to me when his shots arent goin, it's because he's TlRED.

letting him play PF where he doesnt have to play against bigger guys would let him be much more effective.

by Rys on Mar 7, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not even peaking

if he took 10 more shots he would average 20-25 points a game easily, he only takes like 14 shots a game.

Why Gallo?, because there is no Me in lo.

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

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by CloudBurst on Mar 7, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

AAA

I think can be the go to guy at the end without the “superstar” label. I have watched a lot of basketball and I haven’t seen many guys out there that are as focused and competative as AAA. The dude hustles his ass off every play, can shoot the ball and is 1-1 in game winners so far. I know 1-1 ain’t sayin much yet, but the dude hit a game winner whith the usual go to guy at his back on the bench and did it smoothly and confidently. I wouldn’t second chance that guy for a second, I would give him the ball, utilize the 2 speedy facilitators I have, get him open and let him shoot. He’s also one of the more reliable free throw shooters in the game so if her were to get fouled I think he would be the guy I want shooting my free throws now maybe Gallo but we all saw what he did in Portland. I honestly believe AAA will miss a few game winners in his career but I also think he will makea few more as well. From a closer stand point AAA in my eyes has great potential to be that guy. Lets give him a shot… I think he has earned it.

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by NastyNessy71 on Mar 7, 2011 12:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Great Post

Mr. Logic makes some great arguements and while I think are a bit flawed, I agree mostly with what he is saying. He does put an intelligent reality check back about the Nuggets but I still think this team has a chance to succeed and with a lot of time and luck I think this team could definately be the next Cinderalla. By the way… As far as the best goes… I probably would have been on your side, but maybe just a 6 pack ;)

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by NastyNessy71 on Mar 7, 2011 12:23 AM MST reply actions  

Sorry

I think only some of his arguements are flawed and at the end by “best” i meant bet*

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by NastyNessy71 on Mar 7, 2011 12:24 AM MST up reply actions  

It is fascinating to consult Mr Logic

The reason the Spurs work is because 3 legit All-stars have agreed to reign in their egos in favor of winning, and an excellent organization finds the right supporting cast.

The comparison to Detroit is a little closer, because their defense was so tough and there was no clear superstar. These Nuggets are Solid on D.

I think they can get past the first round this year (they do need home court), but going deeper will require the establishment of a two-tier team effort. Near- All-stars Gallo, Chandler, Ty and Nene will lead the way, supported by AAA, Felton, Kmart and JR (hopefully Mosgov too) at almost the same level.

I agree with Mr Logic about AAA – he will improve a little on offense, but I think he is near his ceiling. If he plays through his prime at say 15 ppg with the same level of efficiency and D, he will be a great piece to keep over the long haul. But not an All-star.

I disagree about Ty. So he’s not tall? To paraphrase Frank Layden, “You can’t teach speed.”

by slader on Mar 7, 2011 3:27 AM MST reply actions  

the reason the spurs are winning this season is because tony parker

got rid of that crazy woman eva longoria. too bad about what happened to poor melo when that nut job lala got her hooks into him. i hope for melo’s sake he gets rid of her before his career is ruined any further. i wonder how many more championships the spurs could have had?

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by nohoops4u on Mar 7, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Good stuff Alaskan, entertaining and interesting

However logic cannot completely account for momentum and synergy. Those are the two things this team has going for it and while I pretty much agree with Mr. Logic, there is the outside chance cinderella could come this year.

With the old (you can take that both ways) Nuggets, I thought this year was their last gasp for a championship. With the current team any postseason success is a bonus and not really expected. I can’t tell you how enthused that makes me.

by NugzD on Mar 7, 2011 6:34 AM MST reply actions  

heart disease is the #1 killer in america, not alcohol.

clearly mr logic doesnt know what the fuck hes talking about, whether its hoops or death.

by calvin brodus on Mar 7, 2011 7:44 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

heart disease is the disease that kills more

but alcohol is the primary factor in most of these heart disease related deaths.

alcohol is the gun, heart disease is the bullet. see how that works?

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by Over-and-back on Mar 7, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Actually

Most of heart related deaths are in old age due to atherosclerosis or thrombogenic MI and not necessarily alcohol abuse.
Alcohol and cigarettes are negative risk factors, but heart disease is the first cause of death and I believe malignancy by way of multiple organ system failure is the second leading cause.

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by JR15 on Mar 7, 2011 10:19 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I am in med school

It is busy as hell, but the bball nerd in me still finds time to post on this blog.
I bleed powder blue, not that ugly navy alt uni though.

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by JR15 on Mar 7, 2011 3:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

hey what do you have against the navy uni.

funny when we got the powder blue unis, ppl compIained that it was too UNC too femaIe.

by Rys on Mar 7, 2011 7:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I never dissed powder blue

That shit looks cool.
Navy uni reminds me of the gross jerseys from the 90s.
If you do an alt uni, do the skyline uni is what I say.

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by JR15 on Mar 8, 2011 5:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

No

they should do one of like a MTN. Lion hunting down a deer or something. That would be SWEEEEEEEEET.

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by NastyNessy71 on Mar 8, 2011 6:06 PM MST up reply actions  

We need a go-to guy?

And yet two of the Cavs 12 W’s have been courtesy Melo and Amare.

by JTR on Mar 7, 2011 8:09 AM MST reply actions  

What a go-to guy does is this:

with time running out, impenetrable defense set, the go-to guy can get his shot anyway and/or get fouled or make a shot when well covered.

Melo qualifies, and it’s true that none of the current Nuggets quite does. But as I said above, I think 3 or 4 of the current rotation guys can rise to a level of shared responibility – especially Gallinari, who can draw fouls and make the free throws.

by slader on Mar 7, 2011 8:44 AM MST reply actions  

Mr. Logic IS flawed

There are some things he just doesn’t get. That’s why I’ve still got my 12 pack on the Nugs. The bastard’s usually right though- that’s what worries me. He keeps reminding me that I thought Raef LaFrentz was going to be the MAN.

by Alaskan4Fat on Mar 7, 2011 11:27 AM MST reply actions  

At least he has us in the playoffs

That is the one good thing he said.

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by JR15 on Mar 7, 2011 11:48 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Mr. Logic is employed by ESPN yes?

It's Timofey MOZGOD time
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by Phil H. on Mar 7, 2011 11:45 AM MST reply actions  

Sorry Mr. Logic

But smoking on average causes 5 times as many deaths per year than alcohol, which also has nothing on heart disease from obesity as well

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by Zachm219 on Mar 7, 2011 2:44 PM MST reply actions  

In that case

I say we ban obesity and smoking, but keep alcohol.

Just curious – does anyone ever eat or smoke too much and beat the crap out of family members or drive their car through someone’s house?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 7, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

No...they die

Just curious, do people ever abuse their family or drive wrecklessly with out abusing alcohol?? Hmmm, seems you’ve caught yourself in an over simplification or slippery slope argument.

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by Zachm219 on Mar 7, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Sometimes people abuse their families

just because they are abusive people. That’s a whole other conversation

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by SDcat09 on Mar 7, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

But physical abuse and substance abuse

Do have a strong positive correlation

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by JR15 on Mar 7, 2011 9:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

As do substance abuse

and people driving the wrong way on the interstate or through people’s living rooms.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 8, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Excellent, now we are in my field

While correlations can be used to help predict trends, they are by no means proof of anything. As they taught us in Econometrics, you can imply many things, but you can prove nothing.

But to be clear I’m not arguing that alcohol is good or that it doesn’t cause people to be abusive or wreckless. Merely stating you can’t white washa situation with one cause. That, and that smoking is by far the number one cause of preventable death

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by Zachm219 on Mar 8, 2011 9:53 PM MST up reply actions  

+1000

They are risk factors, but they aren’t the causes of death.

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by JR15 on Mar 9, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

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C - Priest Lauderdale
G - DerMarr Johnson
G - Darnell Mee
L.A. - Bernie Bickerstaff

2009 INDUCTION CLASS

F - Bill Hanzlik
F - Ryan Bowen
C - Danny Schayes
G - Julius Hodge
G - Junior Harrington

2008 INDUCTION CLASS

F - Nikoloz Tskitishvili
F - Joe Wolf
F - Tony Battie
C - Scott Hastings
G - Tariq Abdul-Wahad
G - Mark Macon


Proprietors

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Writer

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Hipster_jeff_small Jeffrey Morton

Moderators

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