Life in the Fast Lane vs Life in the Past Lane
I want to preface this with yeah, this blog post is long. But if you're interested in the NBA and why people think superstars are so important, I'm sure you'll learn something. Something special is happening with the Nuggets, and if you aren't paying attention you'll miss it.
The Sports Analytics conference happened 2 weekends ago and Mark Cuban roasted Bill Simmons by saying something to the effect of "Some people live life in the fast lane, the Sports Guy lives life in the past lane." Additionally, he mentioned that Facebook and Twitter are old news - I thought it was pretty smart insight, particularly if you're looking towards what everyone else is doing, you're probably missing out on doing something truly innovative or great.
Among some other things Mark Cuban mentioned were that he hopes the Dallas Mavericks suck and suck badly after Dirk retires. I thought this was pointed because too often, teams get stuck in a results oriented cycle of win as many games as possible, refuse to rebuild, and become mediocre for years. My beloved Denver Broncos are currently doing this - they couldn't stomach the rebuilding process so they hit the reset button, and have the chance to set the franchise back years.
Finally, I wanted to point out a team that's living in the fast lane and talk about my thoughts on the Denver Nuggets / New York Knicks trade. My buddy Matt and I have long said that Carmelo Anthony doesn't matter on the Nuggets team. We first started noticing this phenomenon when Carmelo would get injured and the team wouldn't skip a beat. Then we looked at the advanced stats and realized maybe Carmelo isn't as good of a player as we think he is, particularly on a team that's fairly deep to begin with. Anyways, I'm going to go out on a limb again and proclaim that the Nuggets will contend for a championship, this year, without Melo. I don't think anyone realizes how good this team is.
Here are the Nuggets' 4 factors analysis pre trade:
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- eFG% offense|defense: 0.5238 | 0.5070
- TOV% offense|defense: 0.1318| 0.1218
- ORR offense| defense: 0.2315 | 0.7475
- FT/FG offense|defense: 0.2965 | 0.2285
And post trade:
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- eFG% offense|defense: 0.5320 | 0.4771
- TOV% offense|defense: 0.1184 | 0.13631
- ORR offense| defense: 0.2727 | 0.81028
- FT/FG offense|defense: 0.2344 | 0.1895
That's great, Chan, what does this all mean you ask? Basically, our defense got WAY better, our offense got more efficient, we're rebounding an unheard of 81% of defensive rebounds (league average is like 76% from 74.75%), turning it over less, causing more turnovers on defense, getting to the line less and fouling less. The only category we got worse in is FT/FG. The only team that has a better eFG% differential is Boston. This Denver team is an ELITE basketball team. I know you're asking, but you gave up a superstar, how did that happen?
First, Carmelo Anthony isn't a true superstar - he's more like Joe Johnson than LeBron James. Second, Chauncey Billup's minutes are being replaced by a much more efficient Ty Lawson on offense, and Ty's defense, at this point in his career is much better than Chauncey's. Third, our offense has become what an NBA offense should be - layups and 3 pointers, with 2's thrown in only for game theoretical reasons.
Finally, what is the definition of a superstar? If you ask the media, it's someone who scores a lot of points, gets their points easily, and comes up big in the clutch. Conventional wisdom and history would suggest you need one of these guys to win a championship. If you think about the characteristics of a superstar, and why you need one, you come to some interesting conclusions. Here are the characteristics of a superstar as I would define them:
- Ability to use up a large volume of shots efficiently, or more efficently than most NBA players.
- The ability to at least defend at an above average level - Basketball is 1/2 defense and if you suck in half of the game, your team won't ever win championships.
- An elite skill in addition to scoring. This can be rebounding, finding open teammates, or defending.
To me, you can distill all the subjective traits of true superstar into those 3 traits. It's not enough to score in volume, the true superstars score efficiently (for those of you arguing Kobe, it was true in his prime, now the Lakers win because Gasol is scoring efficiently). It's not enough to only score, you must also out play your opponent on the defensive side. What other production is your position producing that the opponent's guy isn't? So, why do you need a superstar to win? Generally, the guys who the media considers superstars are the guys who score at an above level of efficiency while using up a lot of shots. For example, if your guy shoots at 50% and your opponent shoots at 45%, as an extreme example, if your guy took every shot and your opponent's guy took every shot, that would be a 10 point differential over the course of a 100 possession game (100 possessions * .5 * 2 points = 100, 100 possession * .45 * 2 = 90). The same goes for almost every single category in basketball, rebounding, defense, ability to get to the line. if your guys are slightly better than your opponent's guys, over the course of 100 possessions, you'll be the better team.
Someone has to take the shots on a team, since there are 100 possessions per game. An NBA team has to use these shots as efficiently as possible, and, in most cases, it's the best creator who can do that. Most NBA players' efficiency goes down with usage, including superstars. However, an average players' level of efficiency drops off more steeply than superstar's does. So on a bad team where no one can create a shot and everyone shoots .450, bringing in a Carmelo to use up 20 possessions per game at a .480 shooting percentage is a huge improvement. It also allows their role players to become more efficient as their usage levels drop.
So we've made the convincing argument that superstars are important in the NBA because they're more efficient than the average player, then why are the Nuggets so good after trading away Carmelo? It's because the Nuggets have been constructed in a way that I've almost never seen any other basketball team constructed except maybe the Pistons or Spurs. Every player is VERY efficient. In fact, each player is MORE EFFICIENT than Carmelo Anthony was, to the point that Carmelo Anthony shooting and stalling the offense was a detriment to the team. They don't need a superstar - because they're getting supestar production across the lineup. Even more unbelievable, is they've constructed the team, for the most part, of guys who only shoot good shots. None of the guys thinks they're a superstar, so they maintain high levels of efficiency because they don't go into hero isolation play mode. There are plenty of guys in the NBA who'd be efficient given a lower volume of shots, but they have too much pride to practice good shot selection and only take open shots or layups. Almost EVERY SINGLE NUGGET PRACTICES GOOD SHOT SELECTION! I'm pretty sure if Carmelo limited his shot selection to the best 10 shots a game, he'd shoot 8-10, put up 20 points a game on 55% shooting, but he thinks he's a superstar. In a league of egos, head cases, and selfish play, this is absolutely amazing.
The conclusion here is that you don't need a superstar - you just need to somehow maintain efficient production across possessions, which is usually embodied by a superstar. The hard part is identifying these players and who will be as effective with increased usage, who is only efficient because of shot selection and teammates, etc. That's why you have to have so much appreciation for the team Bearup, Wark, and Chapman put together pre-Knicks trade. Even smart teams get this wrong - I'm sure Houston would love the Trevor Ariza signing back. Some teams maintain efficiency by slowing down the pace and concentrating on each possession (Celtics). The unique thing about these Nuggets, is they maintain that level of efficiency while playing at a high pace. This point is really important because fast teams can always play slower, but slow teams, when forced to play faster, can't necessarily. The Nuggets are going to force teams like Boston, Chicago and Miami to play efficiently while under a faster pace than they're used to, and in the playoffs while at altitude. The football equivalent of this is a passing offense. If your team passes well, you get out to large leads, and you have the ability to dictate that the other team has to pass, something running teams aren't comfortable with. Running teams never can dictate a passing team's need to run.
You're probably wondering, who do they go to in the clutch? The beauty of it is they don't go to anyone - they run their offense and the defense has to defend all options. Which is a better outcome than the defense focusing on your one clutch player, who just happens to be able to score efficiently in those spots.
To top this off, DSMOK at APBR had a great post where he analyzed the trade from the Nuggets perspective. While the production of the players the Knicks got was higher this year, based on applying standard age improvement curves to the assets going forward and weighing the value of salaries, by next year the Nuggets will have done EVEN BETTER in the trade. The reason for this is how a standard NBA player improves. In general, players continue to improve until they hit age 26. At which point they start to slowly drop off until the age of 34. At 34 they start to decline steeply. Carmelo Anthony has peaked, Chauncey Billups is about to fall off that cliff while all of our young assets are projected to improve. Oh, did I mention we got 2 great young assets in Gallo and Chandler, a backup point guard who has been a starter in Felton, a couple role players who are better than advertised and provide big depth in Mozgov and Koufos, and ALSO several draft picks??
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Great analysis
I think you are right. Advanced stats show that this team is going to be good and I believe advanced stats more than anyone.
Two things I want to point out 1) LBJ is anticlutch and not a superstar in my eyes. I wouldn’t want him on the Nuggets unless we traded Al Harrington for him. Even then I feel he would screw up our chemistry (he may have a lot of assists, but it doesn’t seem to make the team better). Not only does he have a huge ego, but he falls off the cliff when important games in the playoffs happen.
2) That FT thing bothers me a bit. How can we not make FTs? Hopefully Gallo brings that % back up.
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by JR15 on Mar 15, 2011 4:26 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Even Kobe had to give up a bunch of his ego for the Lakers to start winning again.
Lebron is not smart enough to realize this.
Why Gallo?, because there is no Me in lo.
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
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I wouldn't be concerned..
The FT/FG stat measures a few things. The first is how often your guys are getting to the line – Carmelo and Chauncey were 2 of the best guys at getting to the line. In fact, if it wasn’t for Carmelo’s ability to get to the line, he’d be a pretty average offensive player. It’s also the reason why we had such a tough time winning in the playoffs – refs swallow their whistles and Carmelo relies heavily on driving to the hoop and jumping into guys. So, one, we’re getting to the line less.
The second is we’re making less FTs. Again, Chauncey was making 92% of his FTs and Melo about 82%. Gallo and Chandler are very good FT shooters – so it’s not them. Felton has shot pretty poorly from the line so far in his Nuggets career and I expect a regression to the mean. I think we’re slightly better than the numbers indicate. Also, the most important thing is eFG% and rebounding rate as those are the biggest predictors of future success, by far, of the 4 factors.
What’s really happening is a combination of getting to the line less and players who are picking up production and getting more usage aren’t as good at getting to the line and making their FTs as CB1 and Carmelo (they were elite players in this category). For example, Ty Lawson is getting more minutes, gets to the line slightly less, and shoots FTs worse than Chauncey. Kmart is getting more minutes and sucks at FTs, etc.
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Great article by the way.
Why Gallo?, because there is no Me in lo.
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
President of the AAA fan club, no not that AAA.
The more wins we rack up, the more Ujiri and Josh look like genuises
I even saw a comment from a deranged Laker fan saying Ujiri is the second best GM in the game to Pat Riley. How about that? Each win has me believing the same thing, and entertaining grandiose visions of the Nugs future.
Keep on winning, Nugs!
I'll admit I was skeptical about Ujiri
It seemed like he had a lot of street cred in NBA circles but I wasn’t sure if he understood the game and how good teams are constructed.
Him and Kroenke deserve all the credit in the world. They’ve done an unbelievable job, given the circumstances.
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Ujiri seems like the Pop of GMs
The way he said we would be killed in this trade and smiling while he said it. I liked him the moment he did that.
He has that quiet/killer confidence. I think he will find a way to get rid of Harrington without losing much. Or Harrington could turn his game around for the better. Let’s hope one of those things happens.
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by JR15 on Mar 15, 2011 1:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Right on
Hey chantech
Very good, complete post. I’ve posted a couple of times on the issues (many issues) you touched on and agree wholeheartedly.
With Carmello, the deeper into the stats you go, the more you are led to believe that he’s not a great player and maybe not even that good. An example, Mello and D Rose put up similar numbers this year when looking at points, shots, FG%, with CA getting edge in rebs and DR getting edge in assists.
But does anyone seriously believe that CA is having the impact of MVP-worthy D Rose? Well, when you look deeper into their stats, you see the difference. DR’s effective FG% and True Shooting% is much higher and offensive/defensive rating puts Rose at +9, whereas CA is at 0.
But the real proof is in the pudding. Of course the postCarmello Nugget stats are going to improve. They are 8 and 2 since. That’s the pudding proof right there. 8 and 2.
Will it last? I hope so but I cant honestly say I know. We’ll see. But, so far, so good.
For now, playing smart and with energy, Nugs won 80% of games in thrilling (for Nug fans) fashion. That’s the bottom line stat, no? 8 and 2.
I don't think Rose is an MVP either...
Your point that DR’s Ortg/Drtg differential of 9 is what separates him from Carmelo, not because he’s better on offense but because he might be an elite defender. He allows opponents 37.8% opponents FG% on all shots. By comparison, Rondo and Lawson, two good defenders in their own right, allow 39%.
On offense, he is forced to create shots on a Chicago team that doesn’t have any other scorers. His efficiency isn’t that dissimilar from Carmelo’s. The interesting thing about Rose is he’s still improving, and hes been able to increase his usage this year while maintaining the same efficiency.
Carmelo, IMO, has peaked.
I think looking purely at record is also deceiving. The Miami Heat are much better than people realize. The Nuggets are also at least as good as that record, and maybe better.
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well done chan - math is not an opinion
I remember being convinced about Ty by the analysis the Nuggs numbers guy did. All these teams passed him up because he’s one inch shorter than Johnny Flynn or Jrue Holiday !
I am still convinced – Ty rocks.
I remember being convinced by AAA’s efficiency two years ago, and people kept saying “well he’s not as athletic as JR”
I am still convinced – 50% FG, 43% 3PT, 85% FT plus tough D
isnt jrue holiday 6'4"?
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
by 808inDenver on Mar 15, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
The biggest predictor of NBA success is at the guard positions...
Steals. That’s why I think Kyrie Irving is going to be a really good NBA prospect and Harrison Barnes isn’t. It’s part of the reason why Hollinger’s system spit out Ty Lawson as the #3 best player in the draft when he was drafted.
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45 points and 22 assists from the two PG combo
Over the last two games.
I can’t think of any PG duo that’s better than that.
Swats.
Ty and Ray terrify opponents
You got 2 guys, around 6’ tall, fast, quick, strong as bulls, motivated – coming at you every second they are on the court, like little tornadoes.
Who wants to face that?
Yeah, their height may be a liability at some point but there are gonna be many days when opposing guards wish they’d never gotten out of bed.
this should be front paged
and you should do a regular blog column as the stiffs resident number cruncher.
by Rainbow skyline on Mar 15, 2011 1:04 PM MDT reply actions
Thanks, appreciate the compliments
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rec'd
wow this is a great article. we swindled the knicks. i been reading about the trade for like a month and it just makes me laugh, i cant believe the knicks gave us sooo much for melo. did they even watch nuggets games?
Now if only we could get the nuggets a highlite on a channel beside altitude lol.. winning will make ‘them’ take notice
The Knicks did one right thing though
get rid of Curry, and clear up enough salary cap to get some players to build around Landry, Melo and Amar’e. Personally, I don’t think we can judge this trade until 3-4 years from now, I would hate to see the Nuggets win in the first round, and the Knicks lose, then have the Nuggets fans all start saying that “we won” the trade, no one won the trade, the teams just did what they had to do regarding the circumstances.
Personally I don’t care about the Knicks, my feeling is neutral, I think the fans are great, and the people from posting and toasting have been nice and generous in giving their feelings, info on the new players and not to mention Billups, who is a hometown hero. I am not going to fuel myself to a disdain for a team just because of one individual.
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We won the trade...and next year it'll be even more apparent
This is the post I described above: http://godismyjudgeok.com/DStats/2011/nba-stats/the-carmelo-trade/
It offers pretty compelling evidence that next year, from a production standpoint we’ll have gotten the better of the trade based on production on previous teams. Turns out it underestimates the production of the former Knicks and overestimates the former Nugget’s production.
That’s not to say the Knicks can’t and won’t be good next year, they just need to surround Melo and Amare with the right types of roll players – guys who can defend the perimeter well while also hitting 3’s.
The Knicks made one really, really smart move – they signed Mark Warkentien, one of the guys who put together this Nuggets roster. I wouldn’t underestimate his ability to understand what’s going on and find the right, undervalued pieces to cover up the current Knicks team’s weaknesses.
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They'll also be in a bidding war for these guys
It turns out the Heat are in the market for the same type of player…
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but if Chandler walks, Felton demands a trade, Harrington isn't traded Gallo is unhappy
in this offseason, then it will look more like a Knicks win, and going by one user here Tchizza, it is more important to get the number 1 guy then build from there, citing that Gallo, Chandler, and Felton are role players you add to a team AFTER you get your all star. Now I do agree that we have “won” the trade if such a phrase can be coined so far, but you have to deal with players emotions and demands, not to mention the uncertainty of what the NBA salary cap rules will look like next year.
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President of the AAA fan club.
TyRay Felton, where speed knows no boundaries.
The assumption is that we'll be able to resign the guys we want at reasonable contracts
So Tchizza advocates the Nuggets going out and signing a #1 guy and then trying to resign Gallo, Chandler, and Felton?
IMO, Nene is our #1 guy.
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For the record
He’s normally right because your #1 should determine how you build your team. You’d build differently around Nowitzki than you would around LeBron.
He’s wrong in the Nuggets’ case – it’s a team that doesn’t have and doesn’t need a superstar or #1. In our case, we need to resign these role players because our team is very good.
The best team to compare our team to is the Boston Celtics. Most people are going to say “but they have 3 stars and we don’t”, and they’d be wrong. Their perception of Boston’s 3 stars is built on the assumption that those guys are still playing at their peak level – it’s based on the whole career body of work and the fact that the media calls them stars. At their current age, they resemble something like above average players, who have maintained superstar level production at reduced usage, while playing really hard on defense and really well as a team. Because they continue to win and produce at a very high level as a team, people assume it’s because of the big 3 superstars.
I mean really, what separates AAA from being in the same conversation as Kobe or Paul Pierce? One he doesn’t shoot as much as those guys so his totals aren’t as high, two, it’s questionable whether he could maintain the level of production with increased usage, and three, he’s not as showy. He’s basically the Tim Duncan of shooting guards. I’d argue the difference is in people’s perception of who the player is based on their career thus far. It takes years to change perceptions – and most casual observers have problems determining the difference in a player’s production from year to year.
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RIGHT ON RIGHT ON RIGHT ON
A hundred times, RIGHT ON
Ya, see, many good players playing smartly, sometimes aided by a superstar, or not, win championships and in-season games
Got it?
The Cs have not had superstars for 3 years. They won and might have won last year if a “role player” Perkins did not get injured.
The Spurs are having tremendous season success with no superstar. All of the Piston Championship games featured only one star (I Thomas)
Oh, and just as a matter of logical record, all superstars ’cept the one(s) on the team that wins it all, go home with no trophy. OK?
Again, I could make the point that no team has ever won without a number of contributing players. getting one or 2 supposed stars is easier than getting a whole crew of effective, smart, unselfish players.
Look at how easily the Clips got themselves a superstar. Still no wins. Better for the Clips had they gotten the players the Knicks traded and then gotten one elite player.
You forget that the Knicks are run
By Dolan, and Isiah. Otherwise I would agree with you that Wark was a good signing.
Wark didn’t have a part in this trade, we wouldn’t have gotten so much if Wark was running the show.
Until Dolan is out, the Knicks are going to be in the shitter
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by JR15 on Mar 16, 2011 3:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
All of which leads me to wonder
If the ex-knicks have been doing so well in Denver, and New York was so willing to trade them for two of our guys, were Gallo, Chandler and Felton actually being ill-served by Dantoni’s offensive scheme? Considering how they play defense for us, he obviously under-utilized them on that end of the court. Shouldn’t the Knicks have won more with these guys?
And when Ujiri and JKroenke apologized to Chauncey at that press meeting, were they really just trying to mollify the fans and a man they liked personally, while being glad to see him go as a player? Maybe it was even a matter of the talks taking longer because they were trying to convince New York to take him off their hands. Because they obviously know all the stats that chantech, our new resident Statistic Churning Machine, does.
Michael Ray Richardson on the Nuggets:
Reporter: What do you think is happening to the team?
Richardson: The ship be sinking.
Reporter: How far can it sink?
Richardson: Sky's the limit.
I took a stab at answering this and it turned out really long..
So I made it a new blogpost
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I was also one of the nuggets-won't-be-worse-off-without-Melo types
Long before they even started talking about the trade. One of the yahoo sports writers did an article about ‘the most overrated star in the nba’ a few years ago and it turned out to be melo, based on his points-for/against. That stat alone defined him as a strictly average player, firmly in the middle of the nba pack.
I’ve actually felt bad for Melo for some time now, because with this trade he’s going to see his stock/image decline drastically, now that people no longer blame the rest of the team for his not winning in the post-season. He’s playing in the league’s biggest media market and it won’t be long before that level of scrutiny shows to the Knicks and their fans what a bust this trade was for them.
Michael Ray Richardson on the Nuggets:
Reporter: What do you think is happening to the team?
Richardson: The ship be sinking.
Reporter: How far can it sink?
Richardson: Sky's the limit.

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