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Golden Nuggets: Nuggs/Knicks forever linked...

I suspect like many of you, I've been keeping as close an eye on the New York Knicks since they acquired Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups as I do on our Denver Nuggets. How long will this go on for?

Star-divide

Even though Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups now wear Knick jerseys, I can't help but follow their careers closely. Since "the trade" that went down on February 21st, I've been regularly watching the Knicks play and keeping up with their box scores in real time on my mobile phone.

And, I must confess, I like it when the Knicks lose...even though losing is no good for Billups, whom I can't openly root against.

But it hasn't gone unnoticed here or elsewhere in Nuggets Nation that the Nuggets are 7-2 since Melo's departure whereas the Knicks are 6-5 with Melo. That fifth (and most recent) Knicks' loss coming Sunday in embarrassing fashion as the hands of the lowly Indiana Pacers. A game during which former Nugget Dahntay Jones posted a near season-high 18 points on his former teammate Melo, all while forcing Melo into a five personal fouls/five turnovers game. Melo would finish the game with a +/- of -19 compared to Jones' +14. Meanwhile, Melo was unable to help new teammate Amar'e Stoudemire defensively as the two "superstars" allowed Tyler Hansbrough to go off for a career-high 29 points.

It's hard to resist from reveling in the Knicks ongoing struggle to find an identity while the new-look Nuggets have clearly found theirs. But as I've said before, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. Even though the Nuggets organization masterfully navigated the end of the Melodrama much to the benefit of the franchise's future, the team remains in a dogfight with the Hornets (Monday night's opponent) and the Trail Blazers for playoff seeding. As good as our Nuggets are playing, it's still best to avoid the Lakers, Spurs and Mavericks in the playoffs' first round at all costs.

So while it sure is fun to watch the Knicks stumble and bumble with their newfound lineup, I don't want to get too cocky about ours. At least, not until we finish with a higher playoff seeding than they do!

Monday Links...

Chauncey Billups ineffective in New York Knicks' 106-93 loss to Indiana Pacers at the Garden Sunday
It was hard not to feel bad for the Madison Square Garden customers who paid top dollar to witness this. Whatever happened to the team that defeated the Miami Heat two weeks ago? The Knicks suffered a setback in every way imaginable Sunday night as the Indiana Pacers, behind former college stud Tyler Hansough, cruised to a 106-93 victory.

Carmelo Anthony sank the game-winning shot against Memphis, then yelled 'I do this' - ESPN New York
Chris Sheridan brags about Carmelo Anthony...and then the Knicks lose two straight.

Hochman: Andersen back being Birdman - The Denver Post
Benjamin Hochman writes about Chris Andersen's recent resurgence as a player.

Krieger: Nuggets' "junk" a treasure trove of "D" - The Denver Post
Alvin Gentry accuses George Karl of "junking up the game" and Dave Krieger compares what Karl is doing with today's Nuggets to some of his previous successful Supersonics teams in Seattle.

Serby's Sunday Q & A with ... Chauncey Billups - NYPOST.com
The Post's Steve Serby chats with the 34-year-old point guard who came to the Knicks in the Carmelo Anthony trade. 

NUGGETS: Confident Nuggets hit the road for difficult four-game trip
Aaron Lopez catches up with our Nuggets before they take off for their toughest stretch of road games in some time.

Weekend Dime: What NBA scouts say - ESPN
Marc Stein gets six scouts to give their candid views on key issues at season's quarter pole.

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Mar 14, 2011 8:02 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I know that I am not unbiased...

… but now that the Melodrama is over, are Melo’s quotes more arrogant and dick-ish than they ever have been? I don’t recall him talking like this that often while in Denver.

There’s been a complete absence of humility in most every public statement I’ve seen from him since the trade.

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by margabelle on Mar 14, 2011 8:08 AM MDT reply actions  

He's home, right?

No need to censor. But then, I haven’t really noticed the “dickish” quotes you’re referring to.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Mar 14, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me neither..

And as for the “I do this” quote, if you read the whole article it was his response to heckling from the Grizzlies bench.

And well, he does “do that”, meaning hit game winners…..

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

And...

commit a stupid foul on ZBo to set up the game winning shot.

That dude does have ice in his veins though.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very

clutch cannot take that away from him

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sure he committed a stupid foul

but over his career his does hit the game winners.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess

i mean it takes a lot to forget what just happened, the lead slipping away, and knocking down a shot with T. Allen in your grill…

The “I do this” comment was so appropriate. That game showed the positive and negative things I will remember about Melo on this team. The game winners and the big leads dwindling because he’s not a killer. Not saying that never happens to the Lakers or Jordan’s Bulls or the Heat, but it happened more to us I believe.

I think a Melo led team will win more games than it loses, make the playoffs, and may make a deep run when the guys around him get hot…but he will never carry a team ala King James in Cleveland. I just don’t think he’s a leader of men. Great player, but not a leader. My opinion based solely on watching basketball games and nothing else.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I don't think anyone

thinks he’s a great leader of men. Nor does he really want to be.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

too bad

To have that much influence and talent…oh well. Go 7-2 Nuggets!

FYI, I went out and bought my son a Melo jersey after the trade for 75% off. I think he will go down as one of the greats here with time. And my sons name is Anthony

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice....

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wish

It’s Mason

I kid, I kid

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mason would mean

You need to give him a crazy design in his whig… And that he will be a thug, and tremendous rebounder. I always like Anthony Mason!

by stiffy on Mar 14, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

still doing it

i used to get my hair cut at the same place he got his designs – dude up close looked like he should’ve been a linebacker, not a power forward!

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by wilddre22 on Mar 14, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

He just

seems like a jerk plain & simple

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I also

LOVE that the knicks are losing. Way to go Dahntay, I didn’t watch the game or anything, but can just imagine MElo thinking he’s to cool for school while Jones was guarding him.

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm curious, did you assert

the opinion that Melo seems like a jerk plain and simple while he was a Nugget?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

after the coach came back from cancer to his “superstar” wanting out
seems jerky to me

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I don’t see those things as related….

Karl came back to coach because Karl wanted to continue to coach. Melo made a decision unrelated to Karl’s cancer.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Did

you read the SI article?
Karl noted that he specifically came back to coach MElo & hoped to take him to the “next level”

again we should just agree to disagree. We have 2 completely different views on MElo

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes I read that Karl said that.

I’ve read everything Karl has said. If Karl was only coming back to coach Melo, then why did he just sign an extension.? I think Karl loves coaching as he is now, over coaching one player only.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I gotta agree with the idea of being happy about our success

But still the thought of the Knuggets having better long term success then the Nicks is the overall goal. That alone would stick it to Melo and Stat. The one thing I don’t get is these guys all going to the Eastern Conference. With Kobe and Duncan both about done(maybe one year left after the lockout for each one) the West is wide open. For this reason I see some of the BIG stars shifting the other direction. I think you will see Howard as a Laker the year after the lockout. If not, I can see The Thunder owning the west for a year or two

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Mar 14, 2011 8:15 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Rec'd. + Millions and billions and trillions.

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by love4nuggets on Mar 14, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

That was a public execution of an entire city, their hopes, dreams and bragging rights included.

by Joelsopinion on Mar 14, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

but Denver is not Cleveland

And there are so many other reasons beyond sports to live in Denver and hundreds of other cities than live in Cleveland, and even LeBron knew that and had the ultimate opportunity to leave on his terms for the first time in his life. Yes, it wasn’t pretty, but Cleveland has seen a NFL team leave with no loyalty to that city so why should they expect anything different from a star player wanting to leave a team for a better place to live.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 11:47 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

man

pretty sad I guess when the football team decides Baltimore would be a lot nicer

by ParkHillNative on Mar 14, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Art Modell sucks as bad as LeBron, no doubt

Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
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by margabelle on Mar 14, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough...

But the transaction at its foundation is the same — small market team loses a superstar. Add to that a host of new players coming to our team. I guess I just don’t see why three weeks is too long of a time to discuss the transaction and how it is shaping the two teams that made it.

If anything, I would not expect the talk and comparisons to go away until some time next year, after the players that stay are committed, and the remaining uncertainty surrounding all these contracts is wrapped up. Even if the Nuggets make a playoff run, it will undoubtedly be held up to whatever Melo and the Knicks do. It’s a natural reaction when such big changes are made.

by Ferris_ on Mar 14, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know it won't happen for a while.

I just wish that they didn’t have to mention that our players are ex-Knicks EVERY SINGLE time they come up. They don’t call Melo the ex-Nugget every time he’s talked about. The media and us here at Stiffs should give our guys a little more respect when talking about them. I don’t expect the media to change their ways though.

by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Mar 14, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

They're going to refer to Melo in a lot of ways

Once they realize his game is garbage, and self-centered.

by stiffy on Mar 14, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

his game may be alot of things

it’s not garbage. that’s just pure blind hate for the man talking.

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by wilddre22 on Mar 14, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's pretty much how it is around here now.

Scorned lovers feel scorned…or something….

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

i feel your pain cat

since i’ve been around here more often since Melodrama ensued, i’ve noticed your the one melo supporter left here. it’s kinda the same way for me over at Big Blue View(Giants blog) when it comes to Jeremy Shockey. while it may have ended bad, i don’t let that blind me to the fact that he played with all his heart and soul while in blue. it seems you look at the time with Melo in powder blue the same. hopefully in time, as wounds heal, new era and crew will join you in said feelings.

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by wilddre22 on Mar 14, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

There are a couple of others

but they don’t really speak up much. I don’t say much anymore either..I’m not going to change anyone’s mind…

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

the thing

about it is MElo didn’t play w/ all his heart and soul while w/ Nuggs
IMO that’s why peeps are upset

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I realllllly hope you

you are just meaning this year? Because if you think he didn’t for the rest of his time…..

oh man, we’re gonna throw down..

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess it's throw down

time then

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow. I don’t even understand where this comes from….

Dude played his ass off for us 90% of the time. I think you are really stretching here NEN….

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

90% of the time…..you make my point for me

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you think every player plays

gives 100% , 100% of the time?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

CB

Kobe, Tim Duncan, AAA all seem like they give it there all

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

And what about

every other player that plays the game?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

And no, that doesn't make your point for you...

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

it does

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Answer my other question.....

I’ll just accept that you irrationally hate Melo and that’s okay.

I irrationally hate players too….usually they play for the opponent.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not that easy

it’s not just gonna go away cause you don’t like hearing about it. Nuggs/Knicks will be linked forever linked, or as long as players in the trade still play for the respective teams.

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or as long people choose to continue making those comparisons.....

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Which

will happen as long as they play for those teams. Especially after one player wanting to go somewhere else where “the team has a future”

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

My point is that

unless the Knicks and the Nuggets meet in the playoffs what difference does it make? Why aren’t we discussing the other players too if that’s the case?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

It makes a difference to me

cause he left the Nuggs & stated in his NYK presser that he was glad to be with a team that has a future, which implies to me that the Nuggs do not have said future.

Everytime Knicks lose & Nuggs win is like xmas to me. It makes me want to say F-u you Frrrs!

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

So you're happy that Chauncey suffers

when the Knicks lose? Because you’re just so mad at Melo?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Chauncey

has been to the promise land. His career could end tomorrow and I wouldn’t feel bad for him.

I never want the Knicks to win ever

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

No good will towards

Balkman, Shelden, AC either?

/smh

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have a soft spot for all the ex-nuggs

but I never want the knicks to win. Nuggs got treated like 2nd rate citizens during the ordeal, I want them to be the ones laughing last

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rec'd NEN

I’m referring to you as NEN from now on and agree with you whole-heartedly. I don’t root against the players who got sent to NYK outside of Melo. It’s not wishing suffering upon Chauncey to simply hate on the Knicks in general. Besides, he’s a big boy who I doubt really takes any heartache out of the fans being glad that the Nuggets are winning. He’s smart, and maybe will want to be done with Melo’s BS and come home sometime… Or go somewhere else… ANYWHERE aside from playing alongside Mr. Me First.

by stiffy on Mar 14, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, I like dwelling on the fact.

It’s an added bonus. So long as they keep sucking and we keep winning, it’s the icing on the cake of the happiness that comes with the success we’re witnessing right now. I for one have thought Melo was a douchey jerk long before his “I do this” type hype he’s trying to build around himself for the NYK fans and am glad he’s gone.

And NYK shooting 4 FT’s the entire game vs. The Grizzlies? Yep. That’s Melo ball at it’s finest. Take the jumper, don’t drive to the rack – lose. I’m SOOOOOO glad that shit is gone from here now.

by stiffy on Mar 14, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nicks?

why’d we lose our K? i understand why y’all gained yours, but not clear why we lost ours.

altho we don’t mind our New York Nicks over here:

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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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by wilddre22 on Mar 14, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

K

I don’t want the K. No offense, but starting words with K that don’t really start with K has a very negative symbolism for me.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 14, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

That Krieger article

basically says that the Nuggets are playing an unsound scheme and will get their asses kicked in the playoffs. That they are playing the exact scheme that led the 1 seed sonics to lose to the 8 seed nuggets, and that any smart team can pick it apart. Not exactly encouraging.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 14, 2011 8:43 AM MDT reply actions  

The 2011 Nuggets are not the 1993 Sonics

I would consider these Nuggets better. Those Sonics also did not have a single player 7’ or taller.

We will see, but we’ve already seen teams struggle to keep up with the Lawson-Felton rotation. We can gas pretty much anyone in the league with them. Then you throw in JR off the bench and you have an amazing guard rotation at both the 1 and the 2.

I get your point about the “junk” trapping and switching schemes, but if the Nuggets make every pass a nightmare and constantly jump the passing lanes with their speed – remember, Felton is 5th in the NBA in steals – they can really fluster an opponent’s offense, like we saw done to the admittedly cratering Pistons.

I do think the Nuggets will need to tighten up for the playoffs and expect they’ll adjust accordingly, but at this point, even winning a few playoff games would exceed most people’s expectations for this team, and that’s all I’m hoping for.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Mar 14, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope you are right

and they will be bigger when Gallo comes back also. I cringe when he brings up “switching everything”, which I hate with a passion. It allows the other team to dictate matchups, and I really don’t want to see Lawson in the post against a center.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 14, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

There’s some pretty amusing video of Melo getting completely lost on a switch, and I’m so glad those days are over.

The last thing I want to see is Lawson guarding Perkins or something similarly ridiculous. Karl should absolutely be preaching the importance of fighting through screens down the stretch and playing within the defense.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Mar 14, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

actually

lawson – perkins wouldnt be so bad. even with lawson on him I dont think perkins can make anything except a put-back basket.

by nsink on Mar 14, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you have been watching TIDBM

But the Nuggets haven’t really switched that much this year. They have hedge on pick on rolls, trapped the player and then the big moves back to his matchup.
Only rarely, if there is an accident do they switch.
I am telling you this is not the same Nuggets team you are used to watching. They didn’t even switch that much against the Suns unless it was a guard guarding another guard.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Mar 14, 2011 10:27 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oops didn't mean this year

Meant after the trade.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Mar 14, 2011 10:27 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

the nicks lose like the nuggs used to...

beat the strong teams – lose to the weak ones.

by spokenwar on Mar 14, 2011 9:08 AM MDT reply actions  

I have to say that I've noticed this as well.

The Nuggs were so frustrating the past few years with all the talent in the world to beat the good teams, but completely lacked focus in the games against poorer quality opponents.

IT’s like the new stiffs list says: the Knicks look like the 2007-2008 (or to a lesser extent the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 pre-trade) Nuggets. Don’t mind not having to deal with that anymore.

by blooming rock on Mar 14, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was watching the Phoenix game yesterday

The announcers basically had no interest in the game. They were talking amongst themselves for long periods while completely ignoring the game action. They spent several minutes at one point discussing Nashes “pelvic” injury without mentioning anything on the court. It was terrible.

The game also made me think of the changes to the game that have gone on. The 3 second rule on defense and zone defense. Watching Phoenix made me think of the days of Barkley receiving the ball outside the three point line and spending 15 to 20 seconds backing down for a low post shot – which is now illegal. It made me wonder what additional changes could/should be made to improve the game. I thought of the offensive 3 second rule. How often do you see the center post up, receive the ball, then have to be in a giant hurry to shoot before the 3 second call? If you watch the game now, the lane is most often completely empty, a big part of the game is just gone. Perhaps a modification of the offensive three second rule that allows you to exceed the 3 seconds if you have the ball. So Nene would have 3 seconds to post up and receive the ball, and then could take his time getting his shot. What do you guys think? What are other tweaks that would be good?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 14, 2011 10:00 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Great post

I’d really like to see other views on this discussion at some point as well..

Anyone else want to take a crack at it?

I’m not that educated with basketball to really get too in depth with what changes I’d like to see. So I’ll steer clear for someone with more knowledge.

by EssentialCo on Mar 14, 2011 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eagerly awaiting Nate's news......

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:07 AM MDT reply actions  

as long as we have our ex-knicks

and the knicks have melo, people will compare the development of our young knicks and their effects on the team to what melo does for his team. Yes I think melo has hit his ceiling.

by TyLawesome on Mar 14, 2011 10:43 AM MDT reply actions  

My feelings about the Knicks

I honestly don’t care that much at this point. I wouldn’t know how they were doing, except that everybody’s talking about them so much.

I’ll say one thing, it sure as hell pissed me off last Thursday that TNT bumped the Nuggets/Suns so they could show Knicks/Mavs instead. Not enough “superstars.” So I was glad the Knicks got their butts kicked that particular night.

Maybe I’ll have to pony up for that League Pass bullshit next year, since Melo’s departure probably means the Nuggets will only be on national TV a couple of times, and I live in California.

by ParkHillNative on Mar 14, 2011 10:56 AM MDT reply actions  

That could change

If we make a run this year in the playoffs. Plenty of teams have stars but don’t play much on National TV cause they are terrible…save the Clippers.

If we win, we will play.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

We sold out the Pepsi center for the suck-butt Pistons

winning brings fans more than superstars do.

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by margabelle on Mar 14, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sure they'll always be connected

but I’m ready to move on. For a team 7-2 since the trade and in the heat if a playoff seeding race there seems to be too much focus on another team across the country on here. I can’t even care about the Knicks losing anymore, they gave us a great amount of talent which fits in perfectly here, so thanks Knicks incompetent management. I’m just excited for the Nugs right now, usually I’d be more pumped for March Madness but the CU fuck over has actually made me more excited for the Nuggets. Let’s talk about our team a bit more eh? We can all laugh at Melo when he loses in the 1st rd again.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 11:25 AM MDT reply actions  

OT: CU basketball

I don’t think that this is as cut and dry as every one thinks…
BIG losses this year included: San Francisco, Harvard, New Mexico, Nebraska, OK, and Iowa State. Sure they beat K State 3 times, but you just can’t lose to SF and Harvard. Also, OK and I State were terrible this year.

I know their resume and everything, but people act like they were screwed out of a 4 seed or something. This was a very flawed basketball team that has incredibly talented players who disappeared at some very key times. Higgins and Burks should play at the next level and any time you have 2 NBA players on your team you just can’t lose 6 games like those mentioned and then grip about not making the dance.

I know it’s not popular here, but I figured I would take the other side on this argument.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 11:37 AM MDT reply actions  

But the other side is just flat out wrong.

No matter how you slice it… Let me refer you to this little gem.

If you go by what the committee was supposed to do , they didn’t do it. Jay Bilas said they violated their own principles in these selections.

http://www.ralphiereport.com/2011/3/13/2048967/really-gene-smith-colorado-is-a-good-ballclub-and-there-were-many#comments

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

NO it's worse than being screwed out of a 4 seed!

They were bumped in favor of lesser teams!

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

6 wins over RPI top-50

UAB has zero, VCU has one. Clemson has zero. No offense but if you think Harvard on the road and UNM are bad losses you do not know college hoops. San Fran was a bad loss but San Fran also beat Gonzaga. You are going to have shaky conference losses. USC lost to Oregon twice. They also lost to TCU, Rider and Bradley, I cannot emphasize enough how horrific those losses are. The resume is far better than VCU and UAB and is better than Clemson and USC. Quite frankly that is almost impossible to refute if you look at the resumes. The argument against CU I am hearing are weak and bases solely off playing tough teams and losing as UAB did. SoS is irrelevant if you do not beat any of those strong teams. CU beat Kstate three times including when they were the hottest team in the country last week. And in Manhattan which they were the only team to accomplish this year. They beat Missouri and Texas at the time ranked top-5. OSU was read hot when CU beat them. They beat Nebraska as Neb was a bubble team too. If you compare their resume with a top 5 seed then no it does not match up but that is not who they should be compared to. Making a case for UAB and VCU over CU is impossible.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rome picked K-State for final four

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by margabelle on Mar 14, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree...

New Mexico is a tough place to play. BUT, CU didn’t have to be in this position if they took care of business. They are way more talented then they played and 23 wins would have been a shoe in. Win 2 of those games and don’t leave a doubt. That’s all I’m saying. They left a doubt and are paying for it.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

They didn't leave a doubt

by all accounts they were comfortably in. I don’t see how you can fault a team that hadn’t even been to the NIT since 2006 for the season that they had. Sure every season you have games you wish you had back but you still cannot rationalize CU being left out for UAB and VCU. They were flat out robbed in anyway you look at it.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Even if Colorado didn't make it in

UAB and VCU should NOT be there no matter what!

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

No

Va Tech, Alabama, St Mary’s all better and actually Harvard too.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

No?

I think we are in agreement…Why no?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

No argument there

It’s like the year they beat Nebraska in football and then whined about not playing in the National Championship. Sure Nebraska shouldn’t have been there, but you lost 2 games!

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Of course they could/should have beaten those teams.

But if style of play is a mitigating factor, as it was according to Gene Smith, then I don’t think those wins would have helped that much. And regardless if they did lose….the fact is that the still had a better record against than any of the other 3 bubble teams. There is no way to defend this.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gene Smith is a clown

just look at how OSU handled their football violations and it should be clear what his only motives are. $$$.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a no excuse kind of guy

You didn’t get in because you didn’t win games you should have. You have 2 legit NBA players and can’t beat Harvard!? That’s inexcusable. Just don’t leave it up to a committee to determine your fate.

I was as surprised as anyone and thought they could make some noise because of their talent, but it is what it is. You didn’t live up to expectations and played poorly on the road and early in the year.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

CU did not have huge expectations

and you continue to ignore that UAb and VCU and USC and Clemson and Penn State all had just as many bad losses. The argument that they didn’t beat who they should have in every game is weak, no team on the bubble has. The truth is they had done enough to get in and had done far more than UAB and VCU who did get in.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

THIS

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

CU

had it’s highest expectations since Billups days. 5 seniors, a new hot head coach, 2 legit players. No way CSU should have taken them to OT at Boulder. Their talent level is just too good.

Also, you made my point I’ve been trying to make, they ALL had bad losses. Don’t be on the bubble, that’s how you avoid all these issues. Just don’t be there.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

In a perfect world they wouldn't be on the bubble.

But it’s not a perfect world. You must look at these bubble teams comparably…and they are just not comparable to CU. Did you look at the other link I sent you?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

yep

Like I said, I get why people are frustrated, but there is a way to make sure your fans are not frustrated. WIN MORE GAMES! This isn’t an argument about why VCU or UAB or any other team got in, it’s about why CU didn’t.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again.

You are attempting to apply retroactive reality. See Phil’s post above. His summary is spot on.

Why are you just ignoring this? Are you friends with Gene Smith or something? Sometimes it’s appropriate to lay the responsibility of bad decisions at the feet of the bad decision makers. The committee screwed the pooch on this decision big time.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

We are going in circles

and it should probably stop…

I understand the argument, I really do, I don’t need anymore. My ONLY point is that you CAN take the decision out of their hands. They suck, they are corrupt, they are morons, whatever. BUT, win 2 more games on the road, win the conference tourny, you could have done just a bit more and it would have been a no brainer. As a FAN, you thought it was a no brainer, Bilas and Dickie V thought it was, but you left it up to incompetent humans and got screwed. Both the committee and team are at fault, it’s not all on them.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

/bangs head on table

So basically you agree that the committee screwed up?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did it hurt?

I can see where they screwed up…my point has been pretty consistent here though…do your best to not let them screw up. Both sides have blame, but as a fan and player, own up to your end…I just have heard how the committee screwed up.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why do I think you'd sing a different tune

were your Rammie involved??

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh so you are a perfectionist?

There is no way, no how, based on everything as it is, that CU and VT are not in.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

The fact that CU was on the bubble with all those teams is what I’m talking about. I just get so fired up that we live in a blame society and not in an ownership society. Own up to your losses, realize that you control your own destiny, beat the teams you’re supposed to, and leave no doubt. That’s what this is about. Not perfection, doubt. I don’t know why the other teams got in, but I know why CU didn’t and so do they.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

No no no....

How can you ignore the entire process though? This is what I’m saying.

They didn’t win those games. The system is supposed to account for this. You have to compare apples to apples in this case and you’re not.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not

I get it and they had a solid resume…for a bubble team. Remove the “bubble” adjective and you’re in.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Blergh...

That’s obvious. But that is NOT what happened.

You cannot ignore the bubble. But really most didn’t even view CU as it stood as a bubble team. 90% of pundits and analysts felt they were in……

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

They were NOT on the bubble with teams like UAB and VCU

they were CLEARLY much better than those teams. They had done enough to get in, they beat almost all the teams they should beat and ALSO beat 6 RPI Top 50 teams. UAB, VCU, Clemson also lost bad games and BEAT NOBODY along with it. Blame what society? It’s college hoops for crying out loud, I am blaming the shitty selection committee and their shitty criteria for picking teams, which is completely inconsistent and erratic. It’s sports and it should be awarded fairly by what was done on the court, it was not, CU was a huge snub no matter how you look at it. You are so caught up with perfection in a seson and ignore what is being used or what should be used to decide who gets in. CU’s entire body of work WAS WAY FUCKING BETTER than UAB, VCU, USC and Clemson. That’s what should count in a selection for the NCAA tournament. Your expectations for CU are way too high. Nobody thought they would beat Texas or Missouri or Kstate even once. There was some excitement about the possibilities this year but nothing compared to what you seem to be making it out. CU overachieved this year, they made all us Buffs fans proud and now the seniors and everyone involved were robbed of what they rightfully deserved. They did enough, they did more than those who got in, that’s what counts.
Now I’m done arguing before I get too mad about this bullshit snub again.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm just gonna go ahead and rec this.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK

We can be finished. I don’t have a dog in the fight, really and I’m not blaming society at large. I’m just saying that there’s a very good reason why EVERY pundit had them on the bubble. They were there, clearly, because they are now playing in the NIT. Should they have been in over the teams you mentioned? yes. BUT, other teams should have also been in over them and you could have done something about during the year.

Also, this is an argument against not going to a playoff in college football. Even at 68 teams, the 69 and 70 teams are going to complain about not getting in…just saying.

GO UNC, i guess…

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

What teams should have been in over CU and VT?

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

No clue

I don’t know enough nor do I care to take the time to look at every bubble teams schedule.

Like I have said, I only can say why I think CU didn’t get in…that’s all.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

But that's kind of the point.

You have to compare the actual remaining teams with each other. You can’t really make the argument that CU shouldn’t be there without offering which teams should be …..

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't?

you can’t tell me what to do! I’m a man! I’m 40 (or 30…)!

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can...but you're missing the point...

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

My point is that

They were on the Bubble and shouldn’t have been

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, most pundits did not consider them a true bubble team

meaning they were amongst the most qualified at large teams……..

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

You tell them UAB and VCU get in

and they would say that then CU would definitely be in because they were better. But their bubble assumptions were teams like VT and St Mary’s or Alabama were the last teams battling for a spot. Putting those two in shocked everyone.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even with CU getting so badly robbed

I will take this system 100 times out of 100 over the BCS

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

We can agree

on something then!

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well thank god! Thought we were getting in another big argument lol

I mean when the games start I will get over CU and the action is great, plus the last teams in won’t win it all but at least those 6-10 who truly can have a shot to.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

For me, I think it's going to aggravate me even more.

I’m lucky because I can still root for UNC and then the Aztecs…but gosh amighty what an egregriously bad decision.

And really they are offering no legitimate explanation.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll look at it positively

I may be able to get up to Boulder for a shot to see Burks and Higgins. Maybe their 2nd round NIT game

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm looking at it optimisitically

that CU will run the table…but I won’t be happy about it..lol

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

They won't get past my Rams

Now my true colors are coming out.

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sooo the ax you are grinding

is really that you hate CU…

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah buddy!

They have a loss to avenge from earlier in the season

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 12:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can we agree on this?

1) CU, based upon credentials, has a right to be upset
2) CU is a very talented team and should have beaten the teams I mentioned (at least 2 of the 6)
3) with 23 wins they are not on the bubble and we aren’t having this conversation

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

CU and CSU's lack of consistency in tournament hurts them

Has either team had two years in a row when they qualified for the tournament in the last 20 yrs? They have not been consistent or close to the level of the teams in their conferences for any extended stretch that I can recall. In basketball, the Mtn. West is a damn good conference right up there with the big boys, tough for CSU, and CU is usually at the at or near the bottom of the Big 12. It is was it is.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 1:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great quote from ESPN

 In what other sport could 14 losses turn into One Shining Moment? Try NCAA Maqrch Madness, where the L’s have piled with 14 apiece for 9-seed Tennessee, 10-seeds Penn State and Michigan State and 11-seed Marquette. And don’t forget the play-in depths of 14-loss Southern California, 16-loss Arkansas-Little Rock and 17-loss Alabama State. Do any of these teams deserve to be in the field? If you ask us, they all do. Because who better to understand the urgency of a single-elimination tournament than a team that’s already experienced losing 14 times!

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

3-9 road record doesn't help either

Doesn’t bode well to send a bad road team to the dance, especially one with no recent history or fans known to travel well.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 11:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Clemson at 3-8 sure didn't hurt them

and there is a region in Denver, You want crowds put CU in Denver and watch them come from all over the state

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

true, overrated SEC and Big Ten is basketball this year

Even if they did get in thought there was no way to expect them to get to play in Denver in that regional with likely a very low seed. Clemson was probably the best example of a team that shouldnt be in before CU. However its hard to make a case for CU if there we no additional play in games like this year. They are not in if it was still only 64.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 12:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

They may have

Denver has a 5-12 and 6-11 matchup. So they could definitely have been in there. The NCAA says it cares about cost cutting and will send teams close to home yet it managed to get a bunch of East Coast teams to Denver.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

we all know the NCAA says a lot of things

But what they do is entirely different.

No
Clue
At
All

Until CU gets its whole athletic dept house in order, they will have to exceed minimum standards it takes to get in the tournament over established programs and those mid majors who have had more recent tourney experience with some success.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 12:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Which tells me it's no better a process

than BCS

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually a computer system like the BCS to determine the best 37 at large teams may be better

the competition is far superior to the BCS but you still have selection drama. I think a defined ranking using a bunch of factors may be good actually. The complaint with the BCS is not as much the rankings(although certainly there is that too) but that only top-2 can play for the title.

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by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

not true

Or a team like Northern Colorado would never get a chance. A big part of the allure of the NCAA tournament is that teams from non big name conferences get to go toe to toe vs the big boys. Cant have too many 6th place or worse teams from big conferences, so they have to make some tough decisions and weigh a lot of different criteria. No perfect way to do this.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 12:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

The conference berths are fine. It's the at large seedings that are of dispute.......

It’s not just because CU was screwed, but because how they could allow in obviously lesser teams. Of course 64 teams and CU probably doesn’t make it anyway….

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think

He’s saying that we should keep the conference automatic bids and determine the 37 at large teams based upon a formula

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by REAPtheThird on Mar 14, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

and I agree with SDCat in this way

Having not qualified individuals too involved in selecting the at large does not make it much better than the BCS.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 12:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

but ACC historically and consistently the best in coll. basketball

And not going to be penalized for one bad conference year, politics are involved here no question, but like REAP said, don’t lose to IA state in March, and Harvard and/or SF during a cupcake BCS like non-conference schedule to put yourself on the bubble and in this debate.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 2:42 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

ESPN Fab Five

I watched the special on ESPN about the Fab Five last night. Pretty interesting. I guess the amount of hatred directed toward five basketball players for not being white shouldn’t have surprised me, but it did. They also so that people on the bench were telling Webber to call timeout during the infamous no-timeouts timeout.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 14, 2011 1:12 PM MDT reply actions  

that was really interesting

my gf watched it with me and she really liked it. i was about 8-9 at the time of the fab five, so i only knew who they were, that they wore baggy shorts and c-webb’s infamous timeout.

it was interesting to see that 1 player was signaling TO. and even clapped when webber called it. man, jalen rose was a shit talker! lol. he seems like a cool dude off the court though. straight up about his feelings towards grant hill lol, and he didnt lie in federal court. this was one of my favorite 30for30s, along w the U of course. haha. like how both those teams had major ass swagger!

hbo is also running a special on the UNLV Runnin Rebels. im assuming this is the greg anthony, stacey augmon & larry johnson team? i dont know much bout them either, except i had their bball cards back in the day. i am dvr’’ing it toinght and will watch later.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Mar 14, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, the last 1/4 of that was all about bashing Webber

With the alleged scandal, but I thought it though provoking that Mitch Albom basically said if Webber took money, he sure didn’t look like it and would ask him for a few dollars here or there any chance he got, and his family didn’t flash cash either. This wasn’t like Reggie Bush or something.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 1:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Albom

the part with Mitch Albom was very interesting. He has a lot of credibilty, and was very believable. If he was right and Webber only took money after he declared for the draft, I’m not sure why Webber would deny taking the money. I followed Webber his whole career, and he almost seems bi-polar. Happy go lucky and that great smile one minute, then scowling and the throat slash thing and the thuggery that got him run out of washington the next.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 14, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

has anyone picked up the hard copy of the Nuggets on SI?

i went to the bookstore yesterday, but couldnt find it. maybe the issue isnt out yet?

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Mar 14, 2011 2:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Knicks looking to extend Billups?
instead are considering committing to the 34-year-old Billups beyond 2012. The thinking is that Billups could be exactly what they need as a leader to direct the offense with star players Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire. And if they can sign him to a reasonable contract extension, it would allow the team to have a decent amount of money left over to make upgrades in other areas of the roster via free agency.

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;jsessionid=FEBCE60640BB4740C210.3072?site=newsday&view=sports_item&feed:a=newsday_5min&feed:c=sports&feed:i=1.2755816&nopaging=1

Sounds like rather than pick up his option for next year, the knicks want to negotiate an extension at a lower rate, and keep Billups rather than trading him for an expensive PG.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 14, 2011 2:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Which would mean say good-bye to the new big three with CP3 or DWill.

This is interesting news for a couple reasons:
1) I don’t wnat Chauncey playing in New York for the end of his career . . .not because I think he fits in with where the Nugs are at now (two good, young, quick PGs), but because I don’t think the Knicks can win with basically those three and supporting players. I want Chauncey to go somewhere that he can win (and it’s easier for me to root for him).
2) I love Chauncey, but relying on him as a key contributor after next year is super risky for any team.

by blooming rock on Mar 14, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its Dolan & Thomas

Never question their actions. They know all about how to run a basketball team smoothly.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Mar 14, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

not necessarily, they need to keep that salary slot occupied

If they let Chauncey walk and the new CBA cap is less, then they don’t have cap room to sign those guys the next year. They sign him for 2-3 yrs, they can trade the contract for either player as early as next season if there is one.

by jd80229 on Mar 14, 2011 2:49 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

i always thought the big 3 thing in NY was pie in the sky

and i’m saying that as a knicks fan. i knew that once we got Melo, it would take signing second tier players around them to make it a championship team, not CP3. plus, unless Melo and STAT restructure their contracts for him, we would not have been able to afford him. unless he was that serious about that wedding toast.

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by wilddre22 on Mar 14, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

If CP3 would have just kept his mouth shut

no one would have thought twice about Melo going to NY. It would have just been…I want to be traded to NY…the end

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

IMO

unfinished business would have been called out no matter what

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

My point is only about it getting blown up into

a thing like the Heat.

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by SDcat09 on Mar 14, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

ah

I get it now, I agree

Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?

by NewEraNugg on Mar 14, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dont know if this was discussed yet

Watching ESPN right now, evidently Raymond Felton came out and said the Nuggets are a better team than the Knicks, analysts were discussing the comment. I thought this was pretty interesting, especially considering Felton’s post game interview after Detroit game where he said Nuggets fans were best in the NBA. Seems like Felton is really embracing his new home here in Denver, I truly love this new Nuggets team, trading Melo was one of the best things to happen to this team IMO.

by blitzzburgh on Mar 14, 2011 4:39 PM MDT reply actions  

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