Nuggets at Blazers recap: Nuggets bring nerf ball to whiffle bat fight
In a perplexing and frustrating game, the Nuggets managed to stay close (except the first quarter), but ultimately the Portland Trail Blazers to pulled away at the end. Nuggets lose 102-111.
The first quarter was a microcosm of how the last three minutes of tonight's loss played out for the Nuggets. Poor shooting (Nuggets shot 40% for the game), too many and poor long distance shooting (4-20 on three point field goals), and an inability to make open shots spelled the Nuggets doom in this game. It was one of those situations where, other than Portland's very good day of blocking shots, I didn't see a single shot the Nuggets couldn't and shouldn't have made. Most of the team's shots were wide open looks.
Jamal Crawford, Raymond Felton and Wesley Matthews ended up being the Blazers stars for the night, but at the end of the day it's what the Nuggets didn't do that was their undoing. During the final minute of the game, Danilo Gallinari took two three point shots when he should have driven the ball to the hoop. Gallo can ball, big time - he has undeniable talent, but those two shots were a window into his rough night shooting. More importantly Gallo should have made better decisions when it came to scoring. Gerald Wallace was having a hard time staying in front of Gallo all night, and when Wallace was blown-by inevitably Marcus Camby or LaMarcus Aldridge would foul the Italian. Gallo needed to be relentless this game. If he is, Nuggets win - no questions asked (Camby and Nicolas Batum ended up having a field day with blocks tonight ... a big factor in Portland's victory).
Arron Afflalo continues to struggle with his shooting percentages. He is not in game shape whatsoever, and it's very clear that his lack of success shooting the ball has got to him. He performed much better tonight than the last two games so he will be fine, but the Nuggets needed his accuracy. Nene struggled again, and reverted back to the frustrating Nene we all scream at the TV about. You know - DUNK IT....DUNK THAT BALL - and we should probably accept that this is who Nene is and will always be. Timofey Mozgov was again basically a non-factor in this game. Foul trouble early took him out.
The entire team struggled shooting the ball, whether it be Rudy Fernandez or Al Harrington, Gallo or AAA. They all seemed to heave up shots rather than just take them. And like I said, all were make-able fairly open shots. Yet, from the second quarter till the last three minutes, the Nuggets players drove the ball. Got to the line and generally were pests to the increasingly irritated Nate McMillan.
I'm not going to point any finger at officiating tonight. That's not "why" the Nuggets lost. However, I will say that the lack of clear path foul call when Ty Lawson stole the ball from Raymond Felton at 8:40 of the fourth quarter was a pivotal moment. What looked to be a clear path foul was ruled a regular back court foul when the officials changed the call from Aldridge to Felton. This, coupled with the time out, killed the Nuggets momentum at the time and stopped what could be a game changing rally in the final quarter. (Nuggets were also inexplicably out rebounded by 20! How in the hell does that happen with all the Nuggets size?)
Ty Lawson once again stood out. His aggressiveness was consistent and lethal throughout the game. Andre Miller also did well, although you could tell he didn't have his legs under him in the final quarter. These two were the Nuggets most consistent players by a large margin in this game.
The Rundown
Nene - 10pts 9rebs
Gallinari - 16pts 2rebs
Mozgov - 0pts 1reb
Lawson - 25pts 8steals
Afflalo - 19pts
Fernandez - 7pts
Miller - 13pts 8asts
Andersen - 4 pts
Harrington - 8 pts 5rebs
Nuggets of Wisdom
It's early in the season, and all you can do is shake this one off and get ready for the Lakers on Saturday. It's imperative that the Nuggets realize they must always slash to the hoop. It's what got them back in the game after such dreadful shooting in the first quarter. The Nuggets always struggle in Portland, but the Blazers always struggle in Denver. The Nuggets will have their chance to atone for this down the line. Right now, on to their first back-to-back-to-back (you read that right, three games in three nights) starting on Saturday.
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Well, poo
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Gallo drives are a good thing... sure, but I want to see him
start jacking up some shots from all over the floor. This team needs a scorer and it will have to be him. Love good team play, but free up Gallo to shoot, shoot, shoot.
does it have to be him
isn’t Lawson averaging like 25 ppg (albeit a small sample size)?
I had money on Afflalo….
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
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man I'm a huge Afflalo guy
but until he gets into game shape, there are moments when he looks like the worst player on the floor…I’m not saying every time, but yeah…
More like he needs to learn to move without the ball. (How many times have I stated this)
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
Love Afflalo... don't see him as a go-to scorer
I understand he hits his share of shots, we need that too.
by TakeFive on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Lawson will get his especially from drives
Some times his stoke is on, sometimes not.
Gallo much harder to block, though
well to each their own
but thus far in the season (again 3 measly games), Lawson has proven to be our MVP.
Of course he's our MVP... for his overall game
We need somebody that can stroke it from outside like Curry etc.
Curry’s GS’ PG?
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
I don't care what position... I want somebody that can light it up
Don’t want J.R. back but we need to replace him… his ability to score.
boo. as usual i disagree with you.
jacking up shots is the last thing to do when you are cold. drive to the lane and get your points at the foul oline. efficiency over volume.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 PM MST up reply actions
I disagree...
When a team isn’t hitting from the outside, the D packs the lane and stands back and waits for someone to start hitting or else they stand there and pull defensive boards. Someone has to start filling it up in order to create room to penetrate…
agreed
gallo is frustrating esp when he misses from the outside but if you are going to have a go to guy you have to allow some early failures
I like what I see in Gallo so far this year because he seems to be so much better ohysically. As for outside shots, they come and go.
They looked like a team playing a back to back games tonight.
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
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Didn't hurt the Lakers.... they got better-stronger
Not the problem. First two games being too easy maybe didn’t help.
A team of a b2b
Would have given up, but we fought back. Execution issues, it will be cleaned up. I just hope this is not the crunch time lineup all the time
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
That's the norm this year, can't be crying
Lakers have played four in five nights. They won tonight, didn’t quit or whine.
Yeah against the turrible Jazz
And woeful Knicks. We will be a real test for them.
I think we played well today, Portland would be smoked by 25 if they were in the Pepsi center in the same circumstance(happened before).
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
I called it yesterday in the thread
We will SWEEP the lakers
Formerly GForbesTheNuggetsAgentZero
Denver Nuggets dove c'e squadra nel basket
il gallo selvatico. Andare cazzi!!!!
by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 30, 2011 8:13 AM MST up reply actions
Correction: Melo's Nuggets would have given up
I like how this team came back not once but twice. Nuggets team needs to learn to finish games…PERIOD!!!
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
I did not want to use and feel like this so soon.....

Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
My little pony???
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
Problem?
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
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Nope...I was only asking?
I haven’t seen little pony since the 90s….Sorry!
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions
Good.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
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I don't know what Nuggets and my little pony have in common
but whatever makes you day.
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 5:21 PM MST up reply actions
I felt deflated when we lost that game.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
that's coool.
I’m not a big gif fan. It’s all good.
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
Well you’re gonna see a lot.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
Again it's all good.
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
Oh come on Stiffs...
Why all the mopey faces? It’s ONE game out of the first 3 of the season. Let’s not get too far up or too far down.
Our boys in blue will be just fine!
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
thanks for a little reason Cat
Geez, losing one competitive game to Portland in Portland is such a disaster? Come on guys, we should have another 20 – 25 losses even if we’re contenders.
We’re 2 – 1, 2 road games, 2 blow out wins, one close loss, let’s all take a vali… I mean, lets all calm down.
My only concern is it's a game the Nuggets could have won...
But it’s only the 3rd game of the season. I still like our chances in LA tomorrow!
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions
Hi SD_Nugget_Fan...
“Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!”
I disputed this all winter – and now these guys are all on the bench. JR just named player of the week in China and had a 55/22 pt/reb night – save the “differences in levels of play” – I know that, but 55/22 is 55/22 no matter what – you still have to be able to shoot the lights out for that, no matter what… Also, I know, I know… JR could never come back as long as GK is here… but I won’t rest until I get to see him play on a team that properly utilizes him in the NBA. Nuggets need a scorer and GK got rid of all of them last year. I agree with above – I really like AAA, but the guy can’t create his own shots like 20ppg scorers. He is a nice 10-15/night guy – not worth what they paid him IMO. Totally unproven with a lot of “hope” attached to a great work ethic. And I have yet to see the Nuggs play, so I am psyched to watch 2 games this weekend!!
This loss was a fluke
Deep down inside Nuggs still 3-0 for me.
BCB Lonesome Member (Bring Chauncey Back!)
fluke or not...Nuggets are 2-1.
Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 5:22 PM MST up reply actions
Chuck still liking us more than the Knickerbockers.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
Please GK, don't go small ball on Sat.
We will need to find out how our bigs do when going up against the Lakers with 2 seven footers.
by NC Gold on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
the small unit has worked so far because
Moz has really showed up and Miller and Ty have been our best players period.
But for us to have long term success and contend in the playoffs, we need to involve Moz (or drop him altogether), hope on AAA to become himself, encourage Gallo’s development and maybe even consider, cant believe I’m saying this, a little playing time for Koufas.
For all the good our smalls did, notice how many shots were blocked and how many shots were effected when we went small.
About all the blocks...
Very few teams have the shot-blocking athleticism that Portland has. Don’t think this is too big a deal in the grand scheme of things. But a different tact ought to be considered the next time these two teams meet.
Cheers.
"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"
One bright spot...
we dominated them in the turnover category
KEY STAT
This game is the first in portland franchise history that they have won despite turning the ball over 18 more times than their oponent.
Testament to our missed shots.
by United Nugget Nations on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Can't hate KD.
Called himself a bonehead letting Vince make that shot.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
You can hate Westbrick though :)
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
by JR15 on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
portland is a good team. nobody who shoots like we did would even be in the game
our defense was for the most part very good. especially on the inside. i would have loved to have seen more of brewer and kosta though given that galo was clearly off and brewer creates havoc in the passing lanes, and birdman is completely ineffective when he doesn’t have the home crowd to praise him for dunking a basketball or blocking a shot.
the nuggs will be just fine, but this is going to be a tough season for every team. i hope kosta see’s bords minutes as attainable for him and works his ass off in those rare practice days.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 PM MST reply actions
I was impressed with our defense.... totally
Nene is a great defender….. just wish he’d pick a few spots to play power ball on offense.
he is by far my favoite nugget
i just don’t get why he would EVER lay the ball up. never works. dunk it and go to the line too.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 PM MST up reply actions
He broke his arm remember
maybe he’s afraid of injuring himself if he bring the full fury of dudunkahtong
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 30, 2011 12:01 AM MST up reply actions
This is why I was never the biggest Nene fan...
because he just doesn’t force the issue and its frustrating as hell.
Colorado Offense: Making bad pitchers look like CY Young Winners.
by Colsportsfan on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 PM MST up reply actions
but he is consistantly an outstanding one on one and team defender
so he is at least contributing every night.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 PM MST up reply actions
Question from someone who didn't watch the game
What was it about the Nugs’ defense tonight that you guys liked? Again, I didn’t watch, so I can’t really offer an informed opinion one way or the other. But the box score says the Blazers scored 111 points on over 50% shooting. After seeing those numbers, I was not expecting to come in here and see people praising the defense.
"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan
by ParkHillNative on Dec 30, 2011 12:49 AM MST up reply actions
Turnovers...lots and lots of turnovers.
16 steals and 25 total turnovers.
You are right though on letting them shoot 50%+. Though we kept it close even still the run in the 3rd when Wes Matthews hit 3 or 4 3pts within a couple minutes was a big swing for them. We need guys (AAA and Galo) to be able to D up a guy on the outside.
'"It could happen..."
Perimeter defense was pretty fuzzy
Portland got (and made) a lot of good looks. But that’s going to happen. Interior defense was very strong, especially Nene who, while I was watching (mid 2nd Q to the end) put on a clinic on how to play strong position defense in the post. Overall the defense was more than good enough to win in what was basically a very fast-paced game. Just missed too many shots and didn’t get on the glass enough.
We played good dee
Portland hit an amazing number of high difficulty 3 pt shots
One thing I had love so far this season...
is the huge improvement on D. It looks a a lot better than the Melo days. W/O the D this would be a blow out for the Blazers
Colorado Offense: Making bad pitchers look like CY Young Winners.
by Colsportsfan on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 PM MST up reply actions
yeah thats a continuation from last year
right after the trade. We improved 10 pts on defense right after the trade
This shows GK's resistance to playing Kosta Koufos
Moz got early fouls, Bird was ineffective, Koufos should have been inserted into the game late in the second quarter.
if he had been put in and sucked it up then we can say, “Well we know what we’re gonna get from Koufos!” But since we were getting abused inside and he still sat on the bench it’s clear we’re paying the guy 2 million to not play.
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 PM MST reply actions
Unfounrtenly, as always..
I feel like Karl is always going to hold this team down to some extent. Not playing Koufos or Brewer is completely unacceptable. The 2 PG line-ups works in small burst, but hell when the big men are in, they just create havoc on the inside.
Colorado Offense: Making bad pitchers look like CY Young Winners.
by Colsportsfan on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 PM MST up reply actions
I don't get this view
I am no Karl supporter, but Koufos and Brewer are, at most charitable, fringe NBA players. Nobody would be surprised if they were playing in Europe. Certainly they might be useful contributors from time to time, but blaming losses on guys like this not getting burn just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I’d like to see them get a little run too, and I’m sure they will over the b2b2b out of necessity, but I’ll never understand how a coach not playing his 10th and 11th players is somehow a huge sin.
yeah but both could play a role
for us. Hey I dont really have much confidence in Koufas but, hey, I’ve been wrong before
Maybe Brewer could offer some height, defense, some high wire stuff and Kouf could offer decent backup.
In all honesty, has Rudy looked so good as to merit a long leash? I dont see it.
I'm with Teekalong here
But your points are valid except Rudy has good game sense and a solid game.
The Blazer’s front court is athletic, not bruisers. I do wish Mosgov would improve enough
to be more of a factor. That would have helped.
true Rudy's leash is too long thus far
when he’s bricking like he was last night, put Brewer in. He’s going to brick too, but he’ll give you stellar defense.
I Would Rather See Koufos at the 5 spot than Harrington!
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS!
Harrington should NEVER EVER… EVER be playing center. He plays like a small forward a lot of times instead of the PF he’s supposed to be. I really want to see Koufos fail before everyone just assumes he’s unreliable. WTF?
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 30, 2011 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
Agree...
Karl has the philosophy “I have to win tonight” – that gets you many wins, but it burns out your 1 thru 5-7 guys that carry that load for him and the 7-12 guys don’t get a chance to develop or become part of the rotational flow. He just doesn’t look at the big picture. I often think he tries to dictate the game when he needs to adjust to it. Ex: playing small against big and letting the mismatches go for 5-7 minutes at a time… great coaches have always played him like a rug as he gets outcoached when it really matters. We have a really nice core group – I just hope that as the season unfolds, that GK starts to utilize what he has more efficiently.
all i have to say
4 guards + big al is not a good line up to have in the 4th quarter
by swmrkev on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I was wondering about that ...
I was at the game and was very surprised to see that especially when Wallace went back out … none of the guards (nor too many others for that matter) can guard him. They can try but he’s a beast! They did limit LA but that just left it open for Matthews and Crawford. Not to mention that Blazer fans were completely classless booing Rudy and probably threw him off a bit. Wish he would’ve stuck it to them but maybe next time!
The day Rudy left Portland...
the sky cleared up, the birds started singing, and all Portland fans realized that we didn’t need Rudy to brick threes all night, anyone could do that. Good to see he’s still the same Rudy we know and love though.
And come on, the RG gave Andre a standing ovation.
I used to be a basketball player like you, then I took the Portland Trail Blazers' training staff to the knee.
If you want to know about classless
do some research on that new guard of yours.
I assume he was talking about Rudy, who was traded from the Blazers for no other reason than that there was really no role for him. For a team that once had Reuben Patterson and Qyntel Woods, Blazer fans are pretty quick to call a guy who makes some ambiguous comments and has a rough year “classless.”
i keep dancing on my own.
We're a fickle bunch.
We like loyalty. We love Andre. We don’t love Rudy.
I used to be a basketball player like you, then I took the Portland Trail Blazers' training staff to the knee.
Whatever!
He didn’t get booed at the beginning of last season when he was trying to get out of his contract and he ended up being pretty happy. It was the whole team that didn’t get us past the Mavs at the playoffs (some to a lesser extent than others, of course) not just Rudy so it’s just cold and spiteful, that’s all I meant. But you’re gonna think what you think I just don’t have to agree with it.
That's what Jeff Morton was saying - GK just does these nutty things...
and if they work once out of 20 times, he thinks he’s a genius… Ok – I’m having a bad GK day – need coffee :)
Mind-blowing stat of the night:
Combined minutes for Ty and ’Dre: 75:16
Combined minutes for Nene, Moz, Al and the Bird: 75:26
HEY GEORGE, PLAY YOUR DAMN BIGS!
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
by free7694 on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
That was pretty ugly.
Oh well, though. 3rd game of the season and 2nd of a back-to-back on the road. I won’t get too down on this game. Hell, it felt like the Nuggets shouldn’t have even been in it.
It was nice to see the Nuggs hang in there when we weren't really playing all that well...
…but that’s a small consolation. Gallo was just chucking it, as was Rudy and Afflalo, etc. Our size became more of an issue when Mozgov became a non-factor real quick, and we got crushed on the boards. That game was particularly frustrating because – despite it all – we really could’ve won it, and we didn’t. A better team would’ve won that game in our situation, regardless of it being the 2nd of a B2B on the road. Poor decisions in shooting the ball down the stretch (let alone in the 1st Q) gutted us in the end. We got hosed on several calls, but losses never hang on bad calls, IMO (with very few exceptions).
From a Blazer fan, great game
You guys have a great team this year. Enjoy Dre.
Thanks
Blazers have a good team as well. Wouldn’t mind a first round series with you guys; would be a fun series that could go either way.
Oh god yes
I’d tape that and watch it for the rest of my life.
I used to be a basketball player like you, then I took the Portland Trail Blazers' training staff to the knee.
I’d rather that happen in the WCF thank you very much.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
Looked like GK traded rebounds for steals
You guys play even more small ball than we do apparently. The rebounding advantage evened out some of the boat load of Blazer turn overs. Better shooting and some sweet shot blocking won the day.
Would be interesting to see this game again with more of the bigger Denver line-ups. Nuggs have a great front court but this game got turned into a guards’ game.
Nuggs seemed to play pretty good defense but there was a lot of gambling for steals. I guess that’s a kind of defense but the Blazers put up 50/40/90 shooting. Those are Steve Nash in his prime numbers.
I just have to wonder if the game would have ended differently if GK would have used some bigger line-ups. Maybe we’ll find out next time.
It was a block party
I’m surprised the stats only show 9 total blocks. It felt like all night we were just lobbing the ball up there to be swatted into the stands.
'"It could happen..."
excellent, excellent point poorwebguy
and we need to develop our bigs. WE need to balance our desire or wins now with our need to develop bigs and get more wins later on.
Yeah no reason to sulk here
Portland left Denver shooters wide open, and they couldn’t convert. Denver had what they wanted, 54 points in the paint and 33 free throw attempts. The Nuggets were done in because of a gaggle of missed layups + no touch from outside. It’s early in the season, and you have to figure those will even out more than not.
And for those bashing GK, I thought he did very well with the rotations today. This game didn’t warrant a large lineup for the most part, and whomever they stuck on LA seemed to do a nice job.
This is a pretty good loss imo..
Shooting kills...
You are right we had the points in the paint and trips to the line that are what will allow this team to score 110+ on most nights. What we didn’t have was even average shooting from guys we expect to be better.
Nene on most nights will be 8/12 (not 4/12) +8
Galo will be 7/15 and make one or two wide open (4/15 and 0/5) 3s +6
Harrington knocks down two more shots 5/9 (3/9 and 0/4) +5
Just those three guys having an average night (or you could include Rudy in there, or Brewer) and now we’re back at 115-120 points and running most teams out of the building. So I am not too discouraged about the loss tonight.
AAA didn’t look all that great but still ended up shooting 50% and putting up 19. If he is doing that and contributing even more as a defender and on the glass and just as an overall smart player I’ll be pleased.
'"It could happen..."
On an average night
Rudy bricks every 3 that goes up and then pouts about it for the rest of the year.
Nugget didn't bring in Rudy to pout over history
We’ve played all of three games, he’s looked pretty good so far.
One of these nights he's going to shoot 10 of 11
and 4 for 4 from 3pt with 6 assists all ending in dunks. The hook will be set.
He’ll be a Denver fan favorite and all your women (and some of your men) will start wearing Rudy jerseys around and Tweeting Rudy in Spanish. When that happens just know that history is about to repeat itself.
So you would say OKC made a mistake in trading for Perkins?
Denver’s had previous good results with players that needed a change of scenery.
Won’t work in every case but it’s worked in many cases.
I'd say Perkins >>>>>> Rudy
I really hope Rudy fits in here with Denver. I have my doubts though.
OKC getting Perkins was an improvement. They got more worth back then they sent out.
Not to mention
not to mention Portland ran insanely hot on their long 2s.. Plus Gallo and Afflalo both made a couple shots with their feet on the line. You have to figure that will be shored up as the season progresses.
Blazer fan...Good to see ya'll are keeping your chins up but...
I am honestly shocked at how many of you are saying basically, “Hey, good loss guys! We played pretty well and Portland was fortunate to win.” If I were a Nugget fan I would at least be concerned about the rebounding disparity. I would be asking myself, “Self, how in the world can we have 30 gazillion steals and still lose by nine points!?”
Don’t get me wrong, Denver is a solid team and a seven game series against Portland would probably go to the team with home court advantage, but why is everyone so chipper. They let this one get away. They had the game within their grasp and they got dominated down the stretch. Glass half full?
LaMarshmallow - Distant Memory.
Well when you're playing 4 guards and Al Harrington
you’re bound to get out-rebounded. The reason a lot of us are still optimistic is because this game was the second of a back to back, away, and against a really good and underrated team. We shot 4-20 from 3’s (a lot of misses were wide open) and still almost came back.
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 30, 2011 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, that is fortunate.
Come read Blazersedge after a tough Blazer loss and you will see a lot more pessimism and questioning than I am seeing here. Just surprised me a bit.
LaMarshmallow - Distant Memory.
this is my takeaway too
tough one to lose because it was winnable, but we were right there in a 4Q roadie against a good team. They made the shots, we didn’t. Closing out close games will absolutely be a thing to watch for this team, but overall I chalk this one up primarily to a bad shooting night. it happens.
yep a thousand times
look shooters are on and off. Even great shooters go hot and cold. Still like how e almost overcame terrible shooting. Its the sign of a good team.
Teekalong is thoughtful and wise
Jaybark7’s take was excellent as well. I too am concerned/watching the Nugget’s ability to close out games.
I think that perhaps George saw this as a chance to Galvanize the team.
Sure winning by a lot is fun and the team feels good afterward. But putting Miller and Lawson to the test down the stretch was likely his way of forcing that relationship to form and become more well established. I think George is smart. Smart enough to know that to win is perhaps less important than developing the very important roles of the team in a season that is being forced upon him with little to now preseason. I’d like to think that if this was a MUST WIN situation the rotations would have been different.
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 30, 2011 2:24 AM MST reply actions
Karl might look at it the possitive way
But I think this loss shows us that we were all dreaming about this team. We lack an offensive threat to give the ball to in the final minutes, period. Neither Gallinari nor Lawson are very reliable, so we are going to suffer a lot against good defensive teams.
I’m very disappointed with the team right now.
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Dec 30, 2011 3:51 AM MST reply actions
And by the way
Rudy is playing under his level. He can do a lot more out there, all his needs is confidence and taking more shots other than 3s.
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Dec 30, 2011 4:04 AM MST up reply actions
come on sepioes
That all it takes? one tough loss, to a good team, on the road and you’re off ship? Geeeeeez
You're making an assumption Sepioes...
You’re assuming that having an offensive threat means that we’d never have games like this. We had Melo, remember? He had nights where he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn too.
Bad shooting night usually = a loss. Let’s enhance our calm and leave the pitchforks and torches at home for now. As Sgiustra said – it’s just one loss.
just want to add
We will lose 18 – 25 games this year. Got it?
Is every loss going to be cause for an existential referendum on who we are?
After this back2back2back, I’d be happy if we were 4 -2, and OK if we were 3 – 3.
I hate to bring the cliche, but we may have needed this.
I should go ahead and give the blazers and my blazer fan friends an apology, as they looked better than they have in years tonight. That said, there is no way in hell the Nuggets shoot this bad again. As my Blazer fan buddy said, “I know we’ll never see a Denver team have this much trouble with shots, but we’ll take and enjoy.” Our young Nuggets seemed to have been taking too much for granted with the dominant wins, and we needed this. Once again the two best players were Ty and Al, but the star had to be Andre. I may have to burn my old school Camby jersey now. Dude was a prick. Moz looks like trash, Nene was nearly useless and the refs deserved a full bitch-throttling. Let’s go Lickers!
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
hey Jeff
Now I’m not 100% sure but I’m like 99% sure that CJ Miles was the one stepping out of bounds in 2010
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
by Zachm219 on Dec 30, 2011 6:01 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions
as for tonight
Fatigue was a factor (how many open threes did we clank?), but I thought the extreme small ball hurt us the most. We made Batum look like Mutumbo tonight. Moz has to be smarter and not pick up a dumb third foul after getting a lousy call for his second. George can’t be that stubborn about his rotation, Kouf should have got some time in there.
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
by Zachm219 on Dec 30, 2011 6:06 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Need Better 3 Point Shooting and Post Offense
I gotta believe the 3 point shooting will come around— that is just rust. But if the Nuggs want to have a shot in the post-season they are going to need better post offense from their big guys. The ability score in the post forces double teams and opens everything up. I almost thing the Nuggs need a big man coach to help Nene and Moz play bigger inside. Also KK needs those Bird minutes. The Nuggs are not going to be the Lakers inside, but they need to show improvement. Would love to see Nene and Moz learn how to use their big bodies to draw fouls and score inside against long teams (see Clippers, Blazers, Lakers, And OkC).
by ACEIII on Dec 30, 2011 6:16 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Good perspective
The Nuggets’ inside game tends to disappear against those teams with a bigger inside presence. Those teams are becoming more the norm than the exception. We can and should do better.
The offiaciating last night was terrible BOTH ways.
With that said i was very encouraged seeing them fight back. Guys if we hit some of those layups and make some of the WIDE-OPEN 3-Pointers we would have won or at least been in the game. 15+ steals that game? That was the most encouraging loss ive seen in a long while. Hopefully the Orange and Blue win, and then i can chane the channel and was the Orange and yellow win at night. Happy New Year!
How to get out rebounded by 20?
Play a 4 guard lineup with Harrington at C.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 8:14 AM MST reply actions
I think GK's philosophy is:
“When in doubt, play small.” I think he’s more comfortable with a lot of guards. I disagree with it, but he’s the coach with like a thousand wins.
Also how to get 15+ steals and still lose.
LaMarshmallow - Distant Memory.
If you're being outrebounded
Perhaps it would occur to you to put in Kenneth Faried.
Denver wins that game 99 out of 100 times
You guys will never be that cold shooting again. Hopefully the Blazers will never turn the ball over that much again. A couple of back to back buckets to take the crowd out and Denver would have rolled us. Thank you Nuggets for not sticking it to us at home. If you guys had been clicking at all on offense, this would have been a blowout.
You may be correct.
One of the worst shooting nights I can remember for the Nuggs. Just a few of the wide open 3s or layups dropping, and the lead would have been ours. Ugly, ugly game though.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Dec 30, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
+1
That is how good this Nugs team is. I really feal that this is the best team Denver has ever put on the floor. Just watch and see how good this team ends up this year. Shooting this bad will probably not occur again all year.
Top that off with Portland being one of the best teams in the NBA this year. That is how good the Nugs are. If they had any semblance of their normal shooting this game would have been a rout just like all the others. Nugs are going to be blowing out the majority of teams this year…
"feal" should be "feel"
Thursty’d
Wat jammer!
Corey Brewer needed some minutes last night
I would have liked to have seen Brewer get some of Afflalo’s and Fernandez’s minutes. Could have used his defense when Matthews was smoking hot and he might have been more help offensively than Rudy and AAA were last night.
Laughing at the Knicks...
now 1-2
This will be their classic box score.
Melo – 27 points
Stoudemire – 15 points
Chandler – 13 points
next high scorer
Steve Novak – 6!!!!!
Weak bench will be their undoing.
Agree that Denver won't shoot that poorly again,
I’m not sure why Denver was doubling down on LA when Wes Matthews and JC were so hot. I would rather have LA shooting a contested, long, fadeaway two over Nene or Moz than any Portland guards shooting an open three.
I’m Ok with our bigs going one on one D with other teams bigs as long as they don’t get too low.
Its not a significant loss
this was just a game to learn from and adapt. I do think however, that if Moz continues to under perform, I see no reason Kostas shouldn’t be put in the starting rotation.
Atheist for Tebow!
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
not worried about this loss
We played in one of the hardest places to play if not the hardest. The Rose Garden is ALWAYS BUZZING. The only thing that stings is that we will not be 66-0 ;). Well that and the fact that we couldn’t buy an open shot, and the fact that Nene reverted to his old ways again.
81-1
It just seemed that everyone had an off night all at once. Not sure if that was because of what the Blazers were doing on defense, or if Denver was just off. Can’t blame Karl’s coaching for the regular starters opening the game so badly, but bad Karl was certainly part of this loss.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
probably 20+ missed layups + starting game 0-12 from 3
portlands interior defense impacted the layups as they were active, but still many were missed that shouldnt have been
What about those that were made? Couldn't those have been missed as well?
LaMarshmallow - Distant Memory.
point is, you shouldn't be missing so many layups period.
its not like shooting 25’ 3s
Just stay out of his hotel room
and you will be okay.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Is GK so stubborn that he refuses to reach furhter into his bench?
or is he trying to get adjusted to his rotations? Brewer deserves minutes as does Koufas.
not sure there is a lot more to reach down to. Anderson needed Kmart to cover for his weakness, Koufos and Faried are raw.
maybe brewer could have helped on the offense, but would he have helped on the defense?
rotations were weird
Moz and Bird combined for 18 minutes. Moz had foul trouble early, but still, weird rotations. Harrington guarding LMA?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
I agree about Koufos Brewer
These guys have skills that could have been used. Brewer could have used his length and D to protect the perimeter. Kouf may have helped with boards and post D. In tight games George is tight with his rotations.
by Nuggburg on Dec 30, 2011 10:29 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Ha!!!
GK’s rotations are always weird!!!! Aren’t we used to this by now? This glass is for you GK (thrown at TV! :)
They needed a game like this
to show them that they’re not the second coming — yet. Distance accuracy will come after a couple more weeks. Still need a lot of work with the bigs to compete. Was surprised at how outmatched we were there. Gotta love what Lawson and Miller bring to the table. Would be nice to have a reliable sharpshooter you could pull in. Funnily, their defense is pretty awesome these days — three straight days with over 15 turnovers is pretty impresesive.
I'm encouraged
How we’re scoring our points is very sustainable – high percentage shots, getting to the line, and open 3’s. AAA’s shooting percentage will regress to his normal levels. I’ve given Andre Miller a lot of crap but he played a great game and came up with key baskets and continuously got to the line.
The big concern for me is still how many wide open 3’s we give up either do to poor rotations or poor scheme on defense.
http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blog.aspx?blogid=68
twitter.com/chantech
I think a lot of that, in terms of the three
was them playing small, so they had to double team in the post. Some of it also is their youth combined with the short preseason. At one point, after a blown assignment, Lawson and Gallo were discussing what they should have done and Miller explained it to them from the bench. Very young team.
I was reading an interview/description of the triangle/triple post offense today. It is designed to have a big in the post (Nene), a forward at the wing (Gallo), and a guard in the corner (Lawson). It is a continuous motion offense designed to get wide open shots for role players, which is the definition of the rest of the current roster. They couldn’t implement something like that this year, but next year it would be very interesting.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
Are we running the Triangle?
Where is this interview? I’m interested.
by Nuggburg on Dec 30, 2011 10:22 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Not currently
they are currently running something called the dribble drive motion offense.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7346315/what-ever-happened-triangle-offense
explains a little about the offense and why the bulls were so good with starters who otherwise would have been bench guys on other teams.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
I'm actually not a big fan of the triangle
It’s overly complex and it’s basically a variant of the high / low game with options to easily reverse the ball and rinse and repeat.
http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blog.aspx?blogid=68
twitter.com/chantech
I was watching the SAS/HOU game last night...
And the interesting thing is it looks like SA has gone away from their Euro style drive and kick to the corner 3. I need to watch them a little more as the game was out of hand and TDunc wasn’t playing at that point.
I really feel like we should be running pick and roll with Ty’ s speed.
http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blog.aspx?blogid=68
twitter.com/chantech
there was an interview with one of the assistant coaches
a couple of weeks back where they said they planned to run pick and roll about 25% of the time.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Finally someone sees it...
The offense in encouraging.
And you’re right on about the closeouts, but I’ll disagree that it’s a concern to an extent. A big reason for the open looks was that Denver doubled whomever posted up pretty relentlessly. This led to a ton of steals off bad passes, etc, and ultra high percentage shots. It seemed like a great strategy early when Portland wasn’t hitting from outside, but I would have liked to have seen Denver abandon all the doubling later on.
The only real concern I have right now is at the 5…
So we got Outrebounded 50-30
This is the area that Faried could help us. He’s a rebounding specialist. I know his game is raw.
by Nuggburg on Dec 30, 2011 10:24 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Being outrebounded
Is a function of the defense they played. The Nuggs kept dropping everyone back to defend in transition. They did give up a couple Oboards to Portland, but that was more on their wings than anyone else.
The “small ball” front line worked to perfection. None of their bigs went off or decimated the glass. The Nuggets stole the ball at will. As mentioned, they seemed to have trouble closing out the 3 point shooters, but in a way I’ll give them a pass because they were bricking everything to start and then got ultra-hot… Nuggs just didn’t adjust.
I’m encouraged, particularly offensively.
Good points
Small ball sacrifices rebounds for steals. Nonetheless, I don’t see how you can win a game getting out-rebounded 50-30
by Nuggburg on Dec 30, 2011 11:25 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The hope would be that there won't be so much clanking
Then there’s not as many rebounds to worry about.
I think the line-ups probably effected shooting a little too though
Just a theory really but tons of blocked shots and your guards having to shoot over tall, athletic counterparts who are mostly decent shot blockers. I’m not sure your shooters ever really found their rhythm. Later on they were bricking wide open shots.
On the other side, the smaller line-up had to keep tabs on LMA which left Blazers’ shooters wide open and let them all get in shooting rhythm.
Really interesting results actually.
Small sample size...
But Moz might not be very good…
http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blog.aspx?blogid=68
twitter.com/chantech
I can see his talent...but...
there’s something missing. I’m hoping further development will help. Big guys are notoriously slow developers and he’s only 22. Fingers crossed.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 30, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
He's 25
He reminds me a lot of AAA when he first got here. He’s suffering some from opposing teams packing the lane, and our own team basically ignores him on offense. He gets open and they pass the ball to other players. He hit that 15 footer the other night, and seems to be decent in the post the very few times he’s had the ball. He’s the last option on offense, and they never run a play for him. Was doing a good job of boxing out last night the few minutes he was in the game. I think we just have to give it some time.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
meant to say 25
and he has a case of Chris Andersen butter fingers disease. I saw Gallo talking to him quite a bit during the Utah game after he dropped passes in the lane.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 30, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
Don't you watch altitude?
those should be bounce passes!
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
This makes sense...
I feel like I might be going crazy, but doesn’t it look like the Nuggets are better with him on the court? I mean he has HORRIBLE numbers, but I’m not seeing his man get any rebounds, I’m not seeing him get abused defensively. Yeah he’s dropped a couple passes but I’m hoping that improves.
I completely agree that they need to pass it to him more. The last two nights it was almost as if they were playing keepaway.
Let’s hope going up against a slower moving team like the Lakers bring him back to where he was last year…
Just watching a rerun of the game
Moz is WIDE open off pick and rolls and they don’t even look at him while he is rolling. Instead they settled for a contested 20 ft jumper that play instead of a WIDE open dunk by a 7 footer.
I don’t care about stats if you don’t get the ball when you are WIDE open under the rim then when are you going to get it?
The Nuggets seem to not have an offense that utilizes our size and that’s what we need to do. Moz doesn’t look bad, he isn’t getting minutes or looks. Maybe he needs to just be more aggressive, but I honestly think he should camp by the hoop and just throw down lobs.
Miller is not in when Moz is in, I think miller will help lob the ball and give Moz easy oops/ confidence.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
by JR15 on Dec 30, 2011 12:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Good point
I saw Moz getting open quite a bit too…and Miller would probably do a better job of finding him
I noticed this
and it suggests to me that our guards don’t have confidence in him catching the ball and making the play. Perhaps this impression is wrong, but it could be something from practice showing up in the games.
When they hit him against the Jazz he hit those jump shots.
by BryanM on Dec 30, 2011 5:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
that will come with time
there were many instances where he had amazing position down low, he was cutting but we failed to find him.
I think his stone hands
Are a reasons his teammates aren’t passing it to him when he is open down low.
Not happy with his rebounding, either. He’s getting a hand on the ball a lot of the time, but not collecting, often just tipping it one way or another, often to the wrong team.
All this criticism aside, I still believe Moz can turn into a decent center.
"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"
Moz is still developing
Give the Nuggs the rest of the year to learn each other and to play together. Give Moz another year to adjust to being the starter and next year we’ll see something great from him.
This is my theory: GK finally has the type of team he’s always wanted. This year is to help develoop the team and create chemistry and a team identity. We’ll get to the playoffs and might even make it to the 2nd round depending on who we’re playing. I think this is the best Nuggets team we’ve ever had.
For the next 2-5 years (starting next year) Denver is going to be perrenial championship contenders. It’ll be us and OKC in the West – Chicago and Miami in the east.
the last thing I want to do is have Rudy creating his own shot
I think he’s great within the confines of the offense and shooting when open and I think he’s really bad when he is trying to create for himself…
http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blog.aspx?blogid=68
twitter.com/chantech
His best play last night was his drive to the basket for a nice reverse layup.
by BryanM on Dec 30, 2011 5:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I just havn't seen him do it, so i don't know...
He’s not a jr smith offensively but hes much better defensively… this next game will be interesting.. think we can hang with the lakers?
JR Smith was actually a pretty good defender, except for the reach ins
http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blog.aspx?blogid=68
twitter.com/chantech
Didn't synergy peg him as one of the top 5 worst defenders in the NBA?
My eye test did not agree, though.
and the gaping periods of zero focus.
he was good at anticipating passing lanes to get steals, he was otherwise a HORRENDOUS defender. you should always be able to see your man and the ball peripherally. instead, he is constantly turning his head one way or another and thus losing his man.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
melo does the same. so does kobe
and to a lesser degree galo.
watch nene. best peripheral vision defense on the team.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
You arguing a losing battle
Chantech knows stats better then anyone and I bet he will pull them out if need be. JR was set up to fail here. If he goes to the bulls , him and Rose will destroy some teams
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il gallo selvatico. Andare cazzi!!!!
by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 30, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
Chan’s our underdog (Inside Stats guy).
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
if you think the way to determine a players defensive value is through sttistics, then i have already won.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
Oh I dare you to go to a baseball blog
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
why?
baseball is obviously more saber metrics since it is played at a stop and go pace. defense in basketball? not even close.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
sometimes i really do wonder if stiffs has anything to do with basketball.
there should be a basketball i.q. requirement to join, and if you think it is only played on one end of the court you should instantly be disqualified.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 6:53 PM MST up reply actions
/gets popcorn
/sits back
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
and it is nothing personal to you chan, it's just that fab five offered up your forthcoming evidence
to a question that can not be answered through statistics. thus my above statement is directed at him. not even you this time cat if you can believe that. good corn?
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 7:00 PM MST up reply actions
Yes I know. Really....
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Really good
You are doing a great job arguing with Chantech. Something I’ve done in the past as I think basketball success is often about things that cannot be quantified: like team chemistry, etc.
You are especially right about the lack of metrics when it comes to defense.
But you screw it all up by getting all elitist talking about basketball IQ tests. What the hell?
"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"
by Fly Agaric on Dec 30, 2011 8:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
you are very right.
i was annoyed at the time that u.n.fab five said that as if i was incapable of being correct against stat’s to the contrary, and that sounded douchey to me too. alas, no deleting posts on here.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 11:12 PM MST up reply actions
oooooohhh
3 pm tomorrow…the oak tree…down by the parking lot.
i only fight by aspen trees.
oak trees are not my arena
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
chan. lets hear your statistic
regarding periferal vision and focus for 48 minutes defensively.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
There are defensive statistics
things like points allowed per possession where a player is the primary defender.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 31, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
yes there are, and defensive rebounds and seals are an indicator as well
but they don’t tell the whole story or nene would have won defensive player of the year when camby did.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 31, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
PER over 3 games
Moz 0.4 Al Harr 24.5 Nene 22.1,
Kouf-17.7 Gallo 18.7 Ty 31.6 AAA 18.7
Dre 23.0 Bird 11.8. Rudy 9.8. Brew 9.1
Moz is the weak link so far.
by Nuggburg on Dec 30, 2011 11:39 AM MST via mobile reply actions
After getting abused by a D leaguer, a rookie (one that Moz habdled, btw) and his pathetic performance last night, Andersen is the weak link. And the new likely amnesty target this July.
Moz at least makes his man work while Andersen jumps out of position giving up layups in futile attempts for blocks.
by BryanM on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
100%. we are better off without him now. kufos is the better +- guy than bird now, and we need to give kufos few minutes to faried. bird just is not as effective as he was three years ago. too many people have the rather short book on him.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
Seconded
I hope he proves us worng here but I honestly believe that Bird’s time to be an effective player is over. It was fun while it lasted and the tattoos are hilarious but we really need to give his minutes to someone with a chance to develop into a real contributer. (KK or KF)
Bird needs to get traded or learn to ride the pine for the sake of the team.
With a bad ankle too
Ty Lawson is really good. He needs to get more assists though.
by Nuggburg on Dec 30, 2011 11:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I am guilty of underestimating Ty
and I already loved him. He plays at a speed that nobody else in the league can match. Its rare to find a guy with a skill like that, and now that he’s learning how to better finish at the rim and hit jumpers…dude is fantastic.
Does anyone know what picks we have in this upcoming and following draft
(not jumping the gun just wondering)
Denver has
Golden State’s second round pick next year…
The big ones are NYK’s first in 2014 and 2016. Those aren’t going to be trade bait at this time because they are too far out.
This site has a complete listing
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
The 2016 pick is the right to swap picks with New York.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
WOW did not know the bulls have charlotte's 2012 1st rounder
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 30, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Sign and trade for J.R.!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
He's a UFA though.
Only reason Chicago would do it is if they wanted JR for 5 years as opposed to 4. No way that’s worth the 2012 pick.
Unless they’re able to take more salary through trade than they would through a FA signing. Idk how this works.
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 30, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Chicago is over the cap
so they can’t sign J.R. to more than the minimum. Not saying they’d give up that pick for him, but it’s the only way they can get him.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 30, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
Plus him or RIP’s gonna have to be on the bench.
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I'm really disappointed in Karl
How is putting a 4 guard lineup when you’re being SEVERELY out rebounded going to help? Time to play Kosta IMO
I wonder if Nene's hammy is still bothering
and that’s why he went smaller?
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I am actually encouraged by the fan base
Everyone here fully expected us to beat a good Portland team off a b2b. The expectations are high.
All I see at RMC is bashing of the Nuggets when they lose and always looking at negates when we win. I think Jeremy and Charlie have a vendetta that Ujiri didnt rebuild lol. They seem so negative that they have gone to te other spectrum of reality.
We really can’t judge if we are elite till Jan. I can tell you we are a good team, but great teams will make themselves known later in the season when they jell.
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by JR15 on Dec 30, 2011 1:46 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I think the main thing
is to focus on how we lost at an objective point of view to better ourselves, running around screaming “WE SUCK” isn’t going to do any good.
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"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
I don't get it... with this way we're young AND competitive.
Much better than rebuilding.
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 30, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
good point
There is a huge different between having a lot of good players under 25 playing solid strong basketball over having a bunch of mediocre players over 25 playing for an 8th or 7th seed. We don’t know our ceiling and reloading with young players is the same thing as rebuilding, it is like buying a few used cars that are 2-3 years old.
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"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
Yeah, it's like skipping the first couple of years in the rebuilding phase.
And fast forwarding to the fun part
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 30, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
Team Ujiri/Kroenke have done a terrific job.... so far
For one, both Afflalo and Nene were convinced to stay, Just as important
they were signed to attractive contracts.
I’m in the in-between camp as I’m not sure the job is yet done.
I agree - Team UK rocks!
I’ve been a Nuggs fan since ‘82 and this is the best FO I’ve ever seen here. They’re smart, they listen closely to what GK wants in a player and they’re fantastic negotiators. The Melo trade could’ve been a debacle and it was pure gold.
I disagree re. RMC
I like Charlie’s analysis, and like Jeremy’s most of all. I went over and read their recap of this last game. They’re supporting their points very well with a lot of data. No field goals for the Nuggets for an entire 5:31 stretch at the end of the game? Yep, that’s a big red flag all right. I didn’t watch last night’s game, but watched the first two, and even in those big wins, I could see that executing in the half court offense remains a big weakness for this team, and if they make the playoffs, that will once again be a big part of the Nuggets’ undoing.
Anyway, I like the way Jeremy has very intelligent basketball analysis to offer, and admire his willingness to shoot straight, even if it means saying things that we fans don’t like to hear.
"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan
by ParkHillNative on Dec 30, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting points..... I don't find the time to go there
Many of the younger teams have good to very good front courts (in the making) and your observations
will likely become even more relevant as this season progresses.
I agree with their raw data analysis on RMC
But I am saying their subjective conclusions are way too negative. I mean if you looked at Dallas’s season last year you would have counted them out. But they won it all.
Plus when we first had Melo we had trouble in the last part of the fourth quarter. Why don’t they suggest we can improve from that instead of saying we are doomed from the start like they know the future?
That is why I think they have a vendetta. Good analysis for the present, but not even acknowledging a positive future shows how they have clouded judgement when anaylyzing the data.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
I'm a big Gallo fan.... How long has Melo been in the league?
Three games into his 2nd(?) season is hardly time to draw any conclusions.
I agree there’s a lot of ground to yet cover this year.
Keep in mind Portland has yet to play a road game
their true test will come soon.
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How long is standard training camp/ preseason
This season more than any is one where we can’t jump to conclusions either way.
Even if we won this game, which was very doable, we still really wouldnt know how good the team is.
Throw stats out the window, even Ty’s stuff. Once all teams are settled down and know what rotations work, then we can judge. I thought Denver would win yesterday, but they got gassed near the end, and the rust showed.
A fair fight/ marker will be our b2b with LAL where I think we can win both games and eek one out vs Milwaukee.
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by JR15 on Dec 30, 2011 2:22 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I don't know how long a typical preseason is
But I do know teams usually play eight preseason games.
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Still a work in progress
Well, i had big hopes for Moz and KK at center. Was the build up of Moz a hoax? Not much doing there. And Nene is back to playing center. you would think It would be an odd night when Dano, Rudy, Al, and AAA are all cold ffom the arc.
You guys missed an amazing number of wide 3s
Even Al harrington, as much of a cancer I think he is, should had knocked down couple of those heaves cause he is very capable. With a respectable amount of 3 ptersmade this game was urs.
WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE
I wouldn't call Harrington a cancer
from all accounts he’s a great locker room guy and a solid teammate.
Al Harrington a cancer?
Bahahahaha. This is the most bizarre thing ever read about Harrington.
I’m gonna say no.
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The bummer here is..
Not that we lost. to the Blazers in Portland.. but take a look at the season series…
Next game at Portland… is at the end of our second back to back to back..
And game vs Portland is the first game after the all start break…
And yup that is it.. only 3 games. Don’t like the tiebreaker scenario with Portland this year..
Hope Nuggets get some wins up on those boys..
They will have b2bs
And of course one of their guys will get injured cuz it’s Portland. They will be a playoff team, but not a contender unfortunately.
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by JR15 on Dec 30, 2011 3:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Just saying..
Will be hard to win the head to head matchup with Portland this year.
Jeff, you asked how Denver got out-rebounded with all their size ...
… Mozgov, Dirty-Bird and Koufos combine for 17 minutes. http://www.nba.com/games/20111229/DENPOR/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021100037#nbaGIboxscore
That’s 21 feet on Denver’s bench!
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That four guard lineup was classic "I'm a Genius" Karl
so frustrating I almost threw my water glass through the TV
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 30, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
This glass is for you George!!
I was just reading and enjoying things until I saw this and just had to add my 2 cents – GK just tries to be too clever…
Don't know the position-thinking of the FO
But if neither Kosta nor Mosgov are the right guy(s) then that’s a big problem needing an eventual solution.
I think Karl stuck with the 4 guard line up because of its early success
The league is built on adaptation, when one rotation isn’t working you continue along with other ones. Unfortunately for us, Karl does this, but with a 8 MAYBE 9 man rotation. I saw Mcmillan make some brilliant rotation moves last night, I’ve seen the same from Popovich and Jackson. All three (and there are more, just not GK) adapt(ed) the game to THEIR rotations. I didn’t see that last night, and I rarely saw that the season before. Good thing the season is young or else I would be FREAKIN OUT.
That's a chronic GK problem
I thought the FO would force him to go big with all our bigs, but Karl is Karl.
The team can win in spite of Karl, but that is the real weak link. Let’s hope the evil GK will change things up
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by JR15 on Dec 30, 2011 4:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I’m telling you, Saint Karl coached that squad last night, not Evil Karl.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
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How about that "success" he had with it against OK City in the playoffs last year :(
The definition of insanity…“doing things over and over and getting the same negative resu….” you know what I’m sayin’
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Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
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I'll raise you Rudolph!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ara3-hDH6I
Faried takes over for KMart
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
He DID!!!
It was the game that showed the guy has the potential to play in the bigs… come on George, let your big guys come out and play too….
Pretty good
Great nickname, too.
But the actual movie is total shite. I don’t even think Nate would like it.
"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"
I didn't think the movie that bad.
If you want an example of a truly terrible “Mountains Movie” you should dial up ‘Vertical Limit’… really really bad.
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 30, 2011 9:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That might be the one I am thinking of...
Now that you mention it. That one also takes place on K2, right?
Thanks for the assist.
Best mountain movie ever: “Touching The Void”. Sure, it is a dramatized documentary, but it is full on fantastic with some incredible cinematography.
"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"
you are wrong
Best “mountain movie” – Aspen Extreme
You're all wrong.
Best Mountain Movie. The Eiger Sanction
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Ahem, are we all forgetting Stallones
Magnum Opus? Cliffhanger folks, Cliffhanger.
Atheist for Tebow!
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
Well that was a brilliant sequence
but as a whole there was much more in The Eiger Sanction
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Rebounding
So the Nugs outrebound Dallas and Utah by a ton, then lose the rebounding edge once and everyone’s back to hating Karl’s rotations? I know most of you are smarter than that. Think about the advantages and disadvantages with different lineups.
Going small -
Advantages – More ball handlers to run, floor spacing, quicker feet getting back in transition
Disdvantages – Less size for rebounding, less of a presence inside on defense.
Going big -
Advantages – Size for rebounding, inside presence
Disadvantages – Floor spacing, lack of transition defense
Think about it, which lineup is more effective against a RUNNING team like Portland, one who played a good portion of their minutes at the 5? If Karl played his bigs, Portland would have run them out of the building. Instead, Denver was +14 in points in the paint and +10 from the free throw line.
Here’s the reason why the Nuggets lost last night….
They missed shots! Shocking huh? I don’t think people realize what an anomaly last night’s shooting performance was. Denver got inside at will against Portland, evidenced by their points in the paint. Yet with all of those easy shots, they still shot a 40/20, that’s abysmal. It didn’t help that Portland ran above expectations in that department either.
Look Denver won the game of execution last night, by a wide margin too. They just lost the game of jump shooting.
i agree with a lot of what you say,
but i think particularly in that stretch where batum, aldridge and camby were wiping away anything we threw up, it would have behooved us to have two quality bigs in there, and by that i don’t mean al or bird. i like al, but at the 3/4 not the 4/5
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 7:24 PM MST up reply actions
but you are right that the MAIN reason wwe lost was poor shooting
on wide open shots.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
Also, to those who knock the 4 guard lineup
you might want to check the +-’s their “big” vs “small” lineups first.
as with most statistical analysis, that is misleading
the best lineup for the nuggets would be when they have dre and lawson, but stay big up front. and again, anytime i say stay big, i don’t mean using birdman.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 30, 2011 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah if Karl wants to do Dre and Lawson
I have no problem with that but it should be Lawson, Dre, Gallo/Al/Brewer, Nene and Moz/Kouf
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 30, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
Hopefully
The nuggets use this lineup alot vs the lakers.. Dre,Lawson,Gallo,Nene,Mozgov… able to be fast but still have the size to match up with the lakers, when they go into their bench use the small lineup to runaway with this game
yep, one of my favorite lineups.
At least until Afflalo shakes off the rustiness.
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 30, 2011 7:41 PM MST up reply actions
Hoping thats soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But if karl doesn’t use that lineup then idk what im going to do
OT: That would have been so awesome if the T-Wolves beat Miami
Rubio looking good. I’m starting to believe the hype.
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yeah he has really good court vision
he just needs some time to figure out what flies in this league and what doesn’t
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 30, 2011 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
I think it is funny how Australians call the rim the "ring"
Would a really good basketball player there, then, be called “The Lord of the Rings”?
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we also
just dont match well with the trailblazers— and they’re a team that brings their A game against us. we definitely need to worry about our bigs though. aside from nene’s spurt of aggressiveness we look a bit like the Downey Dream Team
Was at the game--most everything has been said here
Way late to the party. Too busy to keep up with DS. Yeah, great loss to all of you. (Sarcasm alert.)
Four guards plus whoever is one STRANGE-ASS line-up, yet Karl must have thought quickness would win out somehow. I guess it nearly did. It should be noted, too, that the Blazers were outrebounding us no matter who was on the floor.
One thing that was clear was Karl’s commitment to preventing Aldridge from beating us. When Nene was on the floor, his single coverage did the job—and how. The guy can be the Nuggets’ giant killer—great hands, great feet, great mind. When the Brazilian was on the bench, the double-team came quickly. This was effective stuff.
Unfortunately, the Blazers were doing what the Nuggets couldn’t do: hitting their shots after they hit the open man. To say there was a lid on the basket would not do justice to how OFF the Nuggets’ shots were for much of the night. Harrington and Afflalo were the most notable; they seemed to see the rim in places it could never be.
How can a great shooter like Al toss up an air ball from the free throw line? Why would the Nuggets suddenly develop a bad case of nerves on the court? Sure, it was gonna be a tough road game no matter what (excellent coaching, tremendous talent and heart, great crowd), but the Nuggets can win ANY GAME this year, and they should know that. Yet the confidence was not there, to say the very least.
I cannot figure out what we can only charitably call Karl’s “rotation.” The attraction of having Ty and Dre on the floor at the same time is clear to me: they bring very different—and complementary—skills to the game. And they can each shoot. (Yep, Miller too.) But as for the rest of how Karl substitutes during the course of the game… it’s like we need to be trained in Basketball Cryptography: there must be a code we simply can’t read. Sheesh.
For the “it’s just one game” crowd: Yeah sure, but it’s also a microcosm of what will plague this team: they don’t have an effective half-court offense, and their coach may be sabotaging some portion of their defensive strength some of the time. And they will get rattled even though they have the horses to come from down 20 most any time.
Here’s hoping they get it all figured out.
No. More. Stickyball.
by LongWindedHank on Dec 31, 2011 12:19 PM MST reply actions
Somehow left out Gallo
Of course, he was prominent among those whose shots weren’t falling. If he can’t be a shooter from deep, the Nuggets can’t excel this year.
No. More. Stickyball.
by LongWindedHank on Dec 31, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions

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