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Preseason Game 2: Nuggets 110 - Suns 85

Denver Stiffs reader Army of Nugs predicted the Nuggets would finish 2-0 in the preseason. It might be time for a new Nuggstradamous! We'll see if his 66-0 prediction comes to fruition, starting next week. But for now, the Nuggets dominated the aging and mediocre Phoenix Suns once again. This time the final score was 110-85, so what do we think of this second win over the Suns? Let's go over some notes ...

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While viewing tonight's game I wrote down a few notes on the players and I'd like to share them with you. Like to hear 'em? Here they go ...

Corey Brewer: This kid wants to play. Tonight he looked like he really wanted to impress George Karl and earn his role in the regular rotation. Brewer was hustling on the defensive end and looking for his shot early-and-often. And his shot was working to the tune of 8-15 shooting (2-4 from downtown) for 20 points and 2 steals. He was tonight's second leading scorer. I liked what I saw from Brewer on the offensive end and I'm not worried about him on the defensive end, at all.

Danilo Gallinari: He's a funny player. This kid just plays with no fear. Gallo doesn't seem to always possess the best court awareness or situation awareness - he'll take some shots that will make you cringe and sometimes he'll hit those shots. He took whatever shots he wanted tonight and showed the promise that I believe will lead to him being the Nuggets top scorer this season. He finished the night 6-17 shooting (2-7 from downtown and 9-9 from the foul line) and led the team with 23 points and pulled down 6 rebounds to go along with 3 assists. Gallo had some nice passes tonight too ... I'm liking his game more-and-more.

DeMarre Carroll: Kid plays defense and it looks like he's been working hard offensively too. He's weaker on the offensive end still, but he plays with great effort and it translates for him. He had 14 points on the night on 4-7 shooting (1-2 from deep and 5-5 from the foul line). I don't know if he'll make the team, but he should be on somebody's NBA roster, he can play.

Arron Afflalo: He's out of shape, just doesn't have his legs under him and that frustrated him. His next chance to play will be in the regular season opener ... yikes - we might see some sloppy basketball. Al Harrington joined Jason Kosmicki on the radio for the second quarter and talked about how AAA needs to get his legs under him so he can do what he's accustomed to on the offensive end. I liked hearing Big Al on the radio ... funny guy. AAA played just 16 minutes and was 1-6 from the floor for 4 points.

Kenneth Faried: I think Manimal will struggle to see extended minutes this season. I was excited to see what he was going to do on the defensive end and was hoping for an eye-popping dunk or two as well. Hakim Warrick got off a couple shots on Faried with ease and the Rookie looked a bit lost on defense. On the offensive end, he needs to learn how to set a solid screen, all the Denver bigs were out of sorts on screens a bit, and work on a jump shot. If Faried doesn't play a lot it's because the Nuggets play 4-on-5 on the offensive end when he's in the game. Rebounding is an asset, but Faried needs more. He got just 11 minutes tonight, not sure if that means anything.

Julyan Stone: The rookie out of UTEP is intriguing. He has great size, but he's not confident in his dribbling abilities and he picked up his dribble quite a bit when he got pressured and threw some high-risk long passes to get rid of the ball. He does have promise and could make the team, but in 20 minutes tonight he didn't help himself much. Stone finished 0-2 from the field and had just 1 assist and 2 turnovers.

Kosta Koufos: The Greek got himself into the starting lineup tonight, thanks to Nene resting. He made the most of his 25 minutes and was one of the stars of the first half. He finished the night with 15 points and 11 rebounds. He was extremely active when he was on the floor and his size just helps him rebound the ball ... along with desire. Koufos may not have all the talent in the world, but he's working his butt off and wants to be in the rotation. Oh and he fouled out and had 2 blocks.

Andre Miller: He looks like the same Miller that I remember from last season and pretty much every season he played before that too. He played 27 minutes and put up impressive assist numbers again with a team-high 10 dimes.

Jordan Hamilton: He didn't check into the game until there was about a minute left in the first half. Hamilton played just 5 minutes and was 0-1 from the floor. Brewer is making Hamilton's roster spot for this season an uncertain one. He has a long way to go.

Chris Andersen: Loves to go after pump fakes, missed an easy wide-open dunk as his elevation failed him, but also had a sweet reverse jam as well. Birdman is the Birdman. We know what we're going to see from him this season.

Timofey Mozgov: I'm the co-founder of the Mozgov Militia and I love this kid's potential. Moz is quick for how big he is, he had a couple nice steals, and he looks comfortable on the floor. He's very active and eager and that will lead to foul trouble, like he had tonight. Moz played just 15 minutes, but racked up 5 fouls ... this could be an issue for the Nuggets trying to get big minutes from Moz at the center position. But on a positive, he was 4-5 from the floor for 8 points, 5 rebounds, 1 official steal, and 1 block. His lone assist was Afflalo's lone made bucket, a very nice backdoor pass from Moz to a cutting AAA for an easy lay in. He will struggle to stay on the floor sometimes, but I'm ready to roll with the Moz - Mozgov Militia starting up!

Wow, so that's it. The preseason is over ... bring on the Mavericks Dec. 26th. I'm afraid we'll see some sloppy basketball, but tonight Denver's make-shift team did what they needed to. It'll be good to see Ty Lawson, Nene, Al Harrington, and Rudy Fernandez next week! Almost forgot they were on the team and it was very reassuring to remember they are on the squad!

Let's GO NUGGETS!

Full box score here.

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i really hope Brewer makes the rotation

I would love for Stone to be on this team as the 3rd pg

by NugNugz on Dec 22, 2011 11:24 PM MST reply actions  

Party start...

It’s time to start a great season, but don’t stop…..
Gallo, keep going like tonight

by Create Your League on Dec 22, 2011 11:27 PM MST reply actions  

Well..... I'm going to have to read that again

See if I can find something to disagree with.

Well done, good assessments.

by TakeFive on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 PM MST reply actions  

First it was East Bay Ray; Now it's PHXgp who's also impressed by the Nuggets

Looks like for Suns’ fans, this season can’t go fast enough. The Good News:
Chances are that one of the top Bigs in the draft will be waring a Suns’ jersey next year.

by TakeFive on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 PM MST reply actions  

Moz will take some time to adjust

But I think he will learn to not get into foul trouble. He is still just a second year player who is only starting to see real minutes.
Moz will make a name for himself and will be better than Chandler and Bynum pretty soon.
But those two aren’t even that great for centers, he has greater potential than that. But it should be baby steps for him right now.

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by JR15 on Dec 22, 2011 11:52 PM MST reply actions  

The good thing about the Nuggets C spot

Is that Koufus seems like he is perfectly capable to play minutes at center if Moz is in foul trouble.

Of course, Kosta seems just as hack-happy. But I have a feeling that while Nene is going to start at power forward, Karl will have him closing at center.

Just thinking it won’t be too much of an issue if these guys often foul out.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 22, 2011 11:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Did Koufus start at 4 yesterday

Is he going to be the backup PF, not Harrington?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I think his starting at the 4

was because of both Nene and Big Al being held out for precautionary reasons.

But I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the 7-foot Kouf came off the bench to back up Nene and the 6-10 Bird backed up Moz. Who knows the mind that is Karl?

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 9:08 AM MST up reply actions  

He should 100% if Moz underperforms.

But Moz is the stronger of the two and a better finisher.

by Monkfish on Dec 23, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Crey Brewer is a beast

He looked great… he will be a force off the bench with rudy fernandez

by 5baker5 on Dec 22, 2011 11:57 PM MST reply actions  

yeah brewer's offense is inconsistent

but as long as he keeps locking it down on D, I’m good.

by NugNugz on Dec 23, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

As long as Faried gets some burn, I’m fine.

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by Kevin L on Dec 23, 2011 12:37 AM MST reply actions  

My prediction 40-26 and 3rd in the West behind the Thunder & Mavs

I hope I’m wrong and we finish ahead of the Thunder…I really HATE that team!

Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 23, 2011 2:50 AM MST reply actions  

Great player-by-player analysis

I cannot really argue with anything you said about any of the Nuggets.

So, going into the regular season the depth chart (for the most part) is looking like:

Lawson/Miller
Afflalo/Fernandez/Hamilton
Gallinari/Brewer
Nenê/Harrington/Faried
Mozgov/Andersen/Koufos

I’m assuming we’ll see Miller or Lawson at the 2, Brewer at the 2, Harrington at the 3, etc. depending on if GK feels like playing small or big throughout the games.

I can’t like—I’m pretty disappointed with our Rookies. I know, I know, it was only 2 pre-season games, but I thought these two would have the ability to come in and contribute immediately. Yes, Faried had an entertaining debut. But, just two days later, Hakim Warrick is making him look like a child playing on-ball defense.

I think J-Ham and the Manimal are in for a long season—and not because of GK’s unwillingness to play youngins; becuase there are numerous better options before the rooks.

And sheesh, could we start Rudy until Afflalo gets his game legs underneath him? Hopefully these next few days AAA will be able to get in some better shape.

by NuggetsFan99 on Dec 23, 2011 7:44 AM MST reply actions  

Correction.
I can’t like—I’m pretty disappointed with our Rookies.

That was supposed to read, “I can’t lie”—what can I say, it’s early in the morning.

by NuggetsFan99 on Dec 23, 2011 7:46 AM MST up reply actions  

What happened to AAA's tireless hours of work in the Gym???

I suspect he will be ready for Dallas on Monday. I just hope Nene doesn’t have one of those lingering hammy injuries like the one AAA had last season. Nuggs staff don’t seem to manage hamstring injuries well…

by ACEIII on Dec 23, 2011 8:17 AM MST up reply actions  

AAA may have been in the gym all lockout, but...

what competition was he playing against? I’m positive he wasn’t at any of the big charity “All-Star” games, and am fairly positive he didn’t play in any other games/leagues that fellow NBA players were participating in. Wednesday’s practice/Thursday’s game may have been his first games with NBA caliber talent since April. Who knows, but he certainly did not have his game legs.

And ditto on Nenê—I hope it’s nothing that will eventually make him sit out. AAA’s hammy pretty much sank the Nuggets in the Playoffs.

by NuggetsFan99 on Dec 23, 2011 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Nothing prepares you for play like play

Like, I’ll be working out for weeks, then 1st 3 on 3 game, I’ll be so darn winded and achy. Then 1st full court game I’m in so much pain my eyes hurt.

AAA will get there. Should play in lots of small spurts

Pray for Nene, AAA and Ty to be/stay healthy.

by sgiustra on Dec 23, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL

I think most here who are 18+ have experienced that feeling. I know I have.

by NuggetsFan99 on Dec 24, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

As suspected, he admittedly didn't play since April...

“First night in a while, I never make excuses, but I’ve been out since last season in terms of competitive basketball,” he said. “I’ve done a lot of drills, but I couldn’t risk competing in the offseason, so that was my first time ever competing in about eight months. Felt good, though. I think we did well as a team.”

Source: Denver Post

by NuggetsFan99 on Dec 24, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Faried

do recall he was brought on to rebound, putback and energize. His ceiling is high and he has a great team around him to help reach his potential.

by nugznazty on Dec 23, 2011 8:12 AM MST reply actions  

Absolutely.

And I’m not writing him off for his career, and it is admittedly early for me to be writing him off for the season, but I thought he’d be playing better. He’s going to have to be able to defend, as well, if he wants to find some minutes this season.

I still think he’ll be great in the long-run so long as he stays focused and works hard, but most importantly with him, learns/becomes a student of the game.

You listen to him preach about how he looks up to Dennis Rodman and would like to play similar to the Worm—Rodman was one of the smartest players in the history of the game; it wasn’t just his athleticism & unrelenting style of play that made him successful. He had studied countless hours of film to learn how certain missed shots would come off the rim, so that he could better position himself for rebounds, and knew where/how most of his teammates missed shots to benefit him on the offensive boards.

The worst thing that could happen to Faried, is that he becomes discouraged with lack of PT and stops working to improve. At the present, I don’t think he’s ready for any meaningful minutes in an NBA game.

by NuggetsFan99 on Dec 23, 2011 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

seriously? the team has had barely 2 weeks together

This is like the NFL lockout guys, and Faried are ROOKIES who had to fend for themselves all summer, playing pickup games doesn’t prepare rookies for their first time in the NBA in any fashion. The rooks should NOT be getting meaningful regular season PT the first few weeks unless there are injuries, regular rotation guys are tired, or they are in blowout games either way. It is more important for the starters and regular rotation get back into game shape and be sharp then developing the rookies, that’s just the way it has to be in this type of rare situation. If they struggle out of the gate initially, then plans may change.

by jd80229 on Dec 23, 2011 10:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Faried will be fine

People aren’t wrong to be critical of his defense and lack of knowledge of basic offensive sets and screens. This all needs to improve. And I’m pretty sure it will.

What no one could argue about, however, is the man’s natural nose for the ball. He gets rebounds. He gobbles them up, like Harry Plainview does with milkshakes. You can’t coach that sort of instinct, just like you can’t coach height.

Fortunately, the right footwork for playing in right place in the offense and defense can be coached.

We likely won’t see a lot of Faried this season, but I think when we do we will all be delighted by his rebounding and worried about everything else.

Remember, the last natural rebounder the Nuggets had posessed nowhere near the smarts that this kid has. Give him time.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

By the way, JR threw up 51 and Chandler 33 in China last night...

Even if the China league is at about D-League level, JR continues to throw up 50 point games. I suspect he ends up in Chicago…

by ACEIII on Dec 23, 2011 8:19 AM MST reply actions  

It would have to be a sign and trade to get him to Chicago

which would be fine by me. If Denver could get a #1 in next years draft for him.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 8:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Why?

Why would it be a sign and trade for JR? I thought he was a UFA?

by BroncoMike87 on Dec 23, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Chicago is well over the cap

without a sign and trade, all they can offer is the minimum.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions  

He would play for the minimum to play for them

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 23, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I seriously doubt he could afford to play for the minimum

guys in good financial situations went to europe, with the ability to return. Guys who needed cash now went to China.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

How could K-Mart be in financial trouble

With the tens of millions paid to him by the Nuggets over his contract?

o_0

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

He's not

I’m sure he went to China for his own reasons. Kmart has said repeatedly that he’s made plenty of money.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 23, 2011 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

OK

That’s what I figured. Maybe he wanted to check out the country poised to become the next world superpower and dominant culture. I know I’d jump at the change to work there.

Think I could play pro ball there?

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

My suspicion is that Kmart went to China to...

..explore a unique opportunity to advance his existing Mandarin language skills rapidly (He does have chinese tattoos). I have also heard he has been examining Chinese history and culture, and examining the role of China as an emerging global power. During his time in China, Kmart has been exploring the history and traditions of this rich and ancient culture.

by ACEIII on Dec 24, 2011 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Is the team too deep?

I feel like there are so many guys here that can step in and play we almost need some injuries or nights that guys can have off to rest, just to keep everyone satisfied with their minutes. Is that ever a problem to have too much talent on one roster?

by DNVRBuff05 on Dec 23, 2011 8:47 AM MST reply actions  

it depends on the personalities involved

Felton was certainly unhappy with his role last year, and complained about it all the time. It looks like Josh and Masai have moved out the problematic personalities. They now have plenty of assets with which to make an acquisition if an opportunity arises, or if a position of need becomes obvious. Teams will be calling the Nuggs this year.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Also

It doesn’t hurt to have two totally different and competent units to start and give big minutes in a season that will feature games on three consecutive nights.

You are right about this depth becoming a problem when people don’t get their minutes.

But I think this will help Denver keep fresh during some of the crazier stretches this season.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

The guys I worry about...

Miller and Fernandez. Dre will want his minutes and Rudy likes to play in crunch time.

I can see Rudy being unhappy first as it doesn’t seem he’ll be on the floor too often at the end of games. I don’t envy Karl’s challenge of distributing minutes…

by Nate Timmons on Dec 23, 2011 9:19 AM MST via Android app reply actions  

I'm worried about Rudy, too

Wasn’t it just last year that he publicly demanded a trade to an East coast team so that he could have direct flights home to Spain, and was fined by the NBA as a result?

I could see him causing problems/having a piss poor attitude if he feels he doesn’t have a large enough role on the squad.

by NuggetsFan99 on Dec 23, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

tough on Rudy and Dre!

If things go well, Gallo and Ty will be as close to stars as we have and Rudy and Miller will be valued back-ups.

If Rudy and Miller get roles they really want, it signals trouble for us.

by sgiustra on Dec 23, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

6th man= rudy

Him and dre will be the 1st ones off the bench, especially rudy since afflalo is so outta shape

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Im OK with that 5baker

I just dont want to get even a hint of a sqwack from either of them because the constant complaining from the overconfident Felton is why I frankly dont like him and am glad he is gone.

by sgiustra on Dec 23, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree

I dont know how Karl will distribute the minutes… it’ll be exactly like last year.. maybe not as many minutes from miller im saying around 25? rudy at 20??

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

I was listening to Feinstein on the radio last night.

He and I both like the idea of having a straight up backcourt swap out. Bring in Dre and Rudy together. They played together in Portland so they already know each others game. As a duo they would devour opposing bench backcourts

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 23, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Like this idea

But it is too common sense and obvious for Karl to use it.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Best thing about Rudy is actually probably that it’s going to be a short term relationship. In Portland he was constantly unhappy because he wanted to be an NBA star. Now it seems pretty clear that he’s basically done here, and will go back to Madrid next summer. Knowing that, he probably won’t agitate much, just sort of put his head down and see out the contract. And if he does become more of a pain than he’s worth just buy him out and send him on his way. He didn’t cost anything really.

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by atomiccafe on Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

The write up on Gallo

…could have easily been written about JR at any point in his career.

Why did Rudy sit? I missed it.

by Pusherman on Dec 23, 2011 9:29 AM MST reply actions  

Even more ominously, Gallo play was

way too reminiscent of a carmello game.

Not to worry though, as our starters play, as games mean something, I expect Gallo to just be Gallo. Whatever that is.

by sgiustra on Dec 23, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

This Nene injury is perturbing me

This is what the lockout does, especially if you are a free agent who doesn’t want to work too hard and injure yourself.
I think Nene should rest up for December and come back next Sunday. Those hammies are bad, or maybe 20 minutes a game.
It annoys me, but I can see a lot of other teams getting injured given the lockout and the low amount of time to rest.

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by JR15 on Dec 23, 2011 10:26 AM MST reply actions  

You are Probably Right

Karl and team kept rushing AAA back from his hammy last year and it never healed. With Hammy’s, you have to wait until there is zero pain, and then give it another week.

by ACEIII on Dec 24, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Mavericks

Anybody really think we can beat them dec.26?

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 10:54 AM MST reply actions  

I don't know

But I sure hope so. Man, that would be a great way to start the season.

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by ParkHillNative on Dec 23, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Nuggets match up well with Dallas

Could have beaten them in the playoffs last year. Would have lost because of coaching errors in game 7 though.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Mavs will be on the second night of a back to back

With an old team. So, yes, I think the Nuggets can run them out of the gym.

by Pusherman on Dec 23, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Against the Heat of all teams

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by Army of Nugs on Dec 23, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Well depends on how healthy we are

We have owned Dallas for a while, and they are coming of a b2b.
Still would prefer to have Nene and Ty playing though

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by JR15 on Dec 23, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Im sure

That ty will play, idk about nene though… hopefully he mans it out

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Nene

Just like AAA did last year. Oh, wait……

by jbmmlang on Dec 23, 2011 11:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Probably can beat Dallas on 12/26

Better ?. Can we beat them in May or June?

by sgiustra on Dec 23, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes. We will be their second game in a back-to-back

They’re an old team and will have one of the hardest times in having enough energy for a second consecutive game. We also match up very well against them.

And I’m going to the game. So we better win.

by RoxWS2014 on Dec 23, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Not even close

Last I heard there was still around 4000 tickets left

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 23, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

At times last year, and now reading the recap...

…. I wonder if Koufos is better than Mozgov.

Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Dec 23, 2011 11:01 AM MST reply actions  

I hope not margabelle

I’m not a Koufas supporter because I see him as stiff, slow, not that strong or tough. I dont know where this idea of his being athletic comes from.

With Moz, maybe things wont work out, but he can be a starting Center. Kouf is strictly a back up or I think we’re in trouble.

by sgiustra on Dec 23, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

It's rumored

That Koufos has a 40" vert. That’s where the athletic thing comes from. I think Koufos/Mozgov are interchangable. What’s scary is that they need to replace KMart on D

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by REAPtheThird on Dec 23, 2011 8:50 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, I've read that too but

do you ever see any sign of fast movement or high jumping on Koufas’ part?

At 7’, if KK was really athletic you’d figure you’d see it at least in spurts. I’ve never seen it.

I’ve seen Moz, run down shooters, reject DRose et al, slam fly dunk on breakaways. He’s shown flashes.

I’m just going to say it.

Kouf does not have a 40" vertical. I cant prove what I’m saying and would only believe that KK could jump 40" off the floor if I see it. Else, KK has as much a chance of jumping 40" as Gallo has of running a 3.9 forty.

by sgiustra on Dec 25, 2011 12:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Kosta is raw

Mozgov looked good last night on offense and defense… the job is his

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess when I first wondered, it seemed...

… that Koufos was a bit more savvy. Higher basketball IQ

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Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Dec 23, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Koufas seems a bit less emotional

Moz is very emotional and even a bit fragile. Needs to get that under control.

You know, if you want a guaranteed 8, 7 and 2, Kouf is your man. If you want a possibility of 15, 10, 3 and 3, Moz is your guy

by sgiustra on Dec 23, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Watching some of the game

really very little to tell

Gallo had a very Carmello game, lots of shots, lots of points, lots of misses. Thats OK though because he cant flower unless he is allowed to have games where he takes and misses many shots.

Miller reminds me of an aging JKidd. Llow numbers, but all across the stat sheet. Can triple double – 10, 10, 10.

I have my fingers crossed with Brewer because if he contributed he could lessen the loss of Chandler.

I guess our starting 5 will have gotten all of a quarter together before starting the regular season. Thankfully, the fellas kind of know each other.

The problem will be getting nos. 6 – 10 incorporated into our team

by sgiustra on Dec 23, 2011 11:12 AM MST reply actions  

mozgoz's offense

I think his offensive is much more polished, he knows what hes doing and has some moves

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 11:12 AM MST reply actions  

Pre-season power rankings

Nuggets ranked ##9
I hear fretting about the $110 million investment in Nene and Afflalo. I hear Hollinger has the Nuggets forecasted to be the second-best team in the West. I would suggest Denver’s fate lies somewhere between those proclamations of doom and dominance.

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 11:19 AM MST reply actions  

Depends on our health

But if we are healthy we should be near the top because of youth. This season is ridonkulous, and older veteran teams are at a disadvantage.
Our youth will help us

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by JR15 on Dec 23, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

The player I'm LEAST concerned about on the roster is Gallo

much like Melo people get too caught up in efficiency. As long as it goes in the hoop eventually it doesn’t matter. He’s our only true scorer so I say let him be him and worry about the other positions.

My primary concern is the C position. Moz’s tendency to get in to foul trouble is a bit concerning, but you will hope that he understands when to be aggressive and NOT be aggressive while still maintaining a physical presence inside. Kouf is not a stiff, but he’s not a starter, and there were times last night I wondered about Birdman’s ability to play the game of basketball anymore. It’s preseason, and I hope these concerns get eased as the season goes on.

One note on Faried. Fans tend to place Manimal’s ceiling a bit higher than the team does. I’m convinced he was drafted to be an off the bench energy guy with defense and dunks. He will round in to that role very nicely once he learns how to set screens and run a pick and roll.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 23, 2011 11:56 AM MST reply actions  

If the team is properly managed in game

they have enough players to compensate for anyone having an off night. This team should be able to play any style of game, depending on the opponent. I’m expecting them to be a lot of fun to watch.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions  

The depth is there

we need more alpha male’s come playoff time

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 23, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

As the season rolls on

The clutch players will come as well, afflalo, gallo, ty.. miller and rudy

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

you could get AI...yes

you can also watch me ride on two giant sticks of butter to cook Paul Bunyon’s flapjacks.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 23, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

i don't buy the star role in the playoffs

the nuggets could have very well won against okc had they been healthy at key positions, and had they drawn dallas, they could have gone to the finals even with the injuries to afflalo, gallo etc.

stars, or “alpha males” are the single most over rated entity in basketball because of the way teams are marketed (lebron vs kobe etc). nearly every player in the nba is an alpha male.

the TEAM that is the most injury free and has the best chemistry wins. not the team with the most stars and by proxy scrubs.

by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 23, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Totally agree

But I think the point some people are making is that sometimes teams need a scorer that they can rely on in crunch time to make baskets during those intense playoff tight fourth quarters.

This is where it does help, to a degree, to have a player willing to take it inside and get to the line. Love or hate Melo, he was pretty good at getting points this way. And I think many of us think Gallo is the natural player for this role with the Nuggets.

But he doesn’t need to be the star or alpha dog. I mean, he’s already a supermodel. P. sure he’s got enough of the ego stoked.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

and that's why you have ty lawson create with his speed

and if they are able to stop him, it won’t be one person who does so, leaving someone on the perimeter wide open for a high percentage, uncontested jumper (aaa, galo, rudy come to mind) as opposed to say kobe or melo “killing grass” as g.k. likes to say for 20 seconds and then hoisting up a contested jumper that neither guy is above 40% on.

we wouldn’t know this cause the missed buzzer beaters aren’t replayed on sports center over and over, nor are the aaa’s of the world who make wide open uncontested buzzer beaters.

remember, melo is also pretty adept at charging or blowing contested layups in those situations as well.

i’ll take a wide open shot by an above average player, over a contested shot by a star ten times out of ten.

by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 23, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Just explaining what others think. I think Ty, AAA and Gallo are all legit scoring options in crunch time. Nene, too. But his free throw shooting has me worried about getting it into him in the punch.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

ya. he's my favorite player,

but he’s not a go to guy. in crunch time yes, but at the buzzer no.

his ft’s i think were an anomaly though. he shot quite well throughout the season and just couldn’t buy one at the end, but then neither could galo or felton or anyone else after the trade. all very good ft shooters. aaa was our only reliable ft shooter towards the end of the year.

by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 23, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd like to not buy it

But when was the last team to win a championship without one? I know, the Pistons. But before or after them??

Bird, Magic, Isaiah, MJ, The Dream, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk, etc.

Like it or not, unless Gallo or Ty become on the level of these guys, this team will always be a nice story or an underdog come playoffs

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by REAPtheThird on Dec 23, 2011 8:54 PM MST up reply actions  

while you are correct about the history

it is not simply because of these stars that it happened, it was because these talented teams had great chemistry, and the league is entirely different now than it was even two years ago, when “stars” all started gravitating towards the major markets with the mindset that they and 1-2 of their star friends can win it all. so far that hasn’t proven fruitful, and dallas last year was much more of a team that happened to have a great player than they were a super team.

it is however, all about perception (see tyson chandler) and repetition so by the time a team like the nuggets wins it, one or two of those people would have emerged as stars in the pubic’s eyes. that can all realistically happen as soon as this year if things play out advantageously.

by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 23, 2011 9:14 PM MST up reply actions  

well put Jeff

we dont necessarily need a player who dominates all of the shots but we need a couple of players to step up and lead even if they arent our leading scorers or rebounders.

Sort of like what Kenyon did last year. I think the natural candidate for this is Miller

by sgiustra on Dec 25, 2011 12:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Roster Moves

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by NuggetsFan99 on Dec 23, 2011 12:11 PM MST reply actions  

Didn't Ruffin play for Cherry Creek High?

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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Dec 23, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Just his height alone

Gives him advantages on those tricking inbounds passes.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Prte

"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.

by love4nuggets on Dec 23, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Haha. Ahem.. Pretty sure

you meant tricky, but rec’d anyway ’cause it was quite funny.

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by love4nuggets on Dec 23, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I wish we could edit our posts

I’m a great editor. But I am a bit too quick on the submit button.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

He did make it

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 23, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Overlooked and the underdog

I was on espn today and the experts had voted who they thought would win the northwest division… not a single 1 picked the nuggets to win their division or the west… huge west sleeper.. gonna take people by surprise

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 2:23 PM MST reply actions  

It says here

That Denver takes the league by storm after acquiring Kobe mid-season from the lakers.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

We won't be 1st in NW

as long as Durant and Co. all stay healthy. They’re the team to beat in the west

by JBnuggs on Dec 23, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

We can play with them

It’s a big rivalry now thunder vs the nuggets perkins vs nene cant wait both teams are close to one another

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

meant to say

we won’t be FAVORED to be 1st by anyone….but I agree, it’s gonna be close all season and fun to watch

by JBnuggs on Dec 23, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

We have

2 good defenders now brewer and afflalo, afflalo could guard westbrook, brewer guards durant since he is long… just a thought.. if lawson and gallo turn out were a contender next year

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

or

when Harden is in the game…Gallo on Durant, Brewer on Harden, and AAA on Westy

by JBnuggs on Dec 23, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

yes

that works too, i really like how we match up with okc this year

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm beginning to think that Ujiri

Might be some sort of genius. Love how he is keeping Denver competitive while rebuilding.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Losing Kenyon, overpaid though he was, is going to hurt our interior defense and toughness.

Brewer seems like a great perimeter defender, but he lacks the size to bang down low and we all know that while Nene is fantastic and loveable that he’s a bit soft.

Really hoping Moz can develop a mean streak and be stingy with his fouls. you know, make ’em count when he commits them. Kenyon was great about this.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

We don’t really have anyone who will foul but also send a message..maybe the scary russian

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing about OKC

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 23, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

That Ujiri got specific guys so we can match up better with Dallas and OKC

Because for now the road to the finals in the west goes through one of those 2cities

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 23, 2011 6:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I predict OKC wins the division

But Denver wins the championship.

Last year Denver could have beat Dallas. No doubt in my mind. OKC, though, was a problem with match-ups. Would have been tough even if the officials got that goal-tending call right.

I’m serious. I feel this good about the team.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Phoenix Sucks, but....

Our scrubs beat their starters by 25…in Phoenix! If everyone is healthy (and that include Nene’s “tight” hammy) then the Nuggs can play with anyone in the West. Nuggs will be a better match-up with OKC this year with Moz and Koufus matching up better with Ibaka who killed Nene last year. Keep in mind, Nene was distracted by his contract, so a happy Nene, along with the bigger Moz and Koufus giving Perkins and Ibaka trouble, along with a health AAA, make this series far more competitive. If Chandler is added as back-up SF, look-out….

I really like a our BIG international front line. And, we win the PG matchup with an improved Ty and a playing better than ever Dre.

by ACEIII on Dec 24, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

how'd Gallo look on D?

SF is the perfect place for him tho. even tho he has PF height, he can’t bang with the big men for 40+ minutes.

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by wilddre22 on Dec 23, 2011 3:56 PM MST reply actions  

he claims he will put that effort forward this year

so far so good. looks more aware on D.

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by wilddre22 on Dec 23, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

LMFAO

Bosh on pti. Miami to implement random offense this season. No plays.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 23, 2011 6:36 PM MST reply actions  

They’re going with the notion that two negatives equals a positive.

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by Kevin L on Dec 23, 2011 9:51 PM MST up reply actions  

That's random

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by SDcat09 on Dec 23, 2011 8:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Dribble drive

What do you guys think about this new offense for denver?

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 9:54 PM MST reply actions  

Hollinger has Nuggets 2nd in the west

Behind Okc? I think. Doesn’t mean much but Hollinger is a top stats guy.

by Nuggburg on Dec 23, 2011 10:03 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Yes

Is there reall another team in the west with as much and young talent as us??

by 5baker5 on Dec 23, 2011 10:07 PM MST up reply actions  

The team stated above?

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by Kevin L on Dec 23, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Ok I read Hollinger's blurb

He said we are the deepest fastest team around. We will give everybody trouble. The man knows his stuff.

by Nuggburg on Dec 23, 2011 10:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

You know what. Let’s go ahead and beat them too. We owe one can of whoop

by Nuggburg on Dec 23, 2011 10:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

OT:

Cruz or Wallace?

Cruz faces the Jets secondary in a must-win game for the Giants. Shoot-out? Cons: He has Eli passing, and Eli has finally started to look like Eli.

Wallace is up against the terrible St. Louis Rams. Good match up. Except he doesn’t have Ben “Watch the bathroom door while I’m in here with the drunk girl” Rothlisberger to throw the ball.

Eeek. Should I roll with both? Got Kahlil Bell off waivers a couple weeks ago and am starting him in the flex spot. Maybe I should go with both of my top WRs?

So confused.

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by Fly Agaric on Dec 23, 2011 11:43 PM MST reply actions  

Go with Cruz

No Big ben, so they wont be as good on offense

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by Army of Nugs on Dec 24, 2011 12:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Are you in the Shiva bowl now?

Definitely Cruz, though I would be a little worried Revis would cover him extra tight since his comments.
But it’s better than Wallace if you don’t have any other receivers.

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by JR15 on Dec 24, 2011 1:00 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

speaking of fantasy

Do you still have room for your espn Stiff league?

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by CloudBurst on Dec 24, 2011 7:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes

send email so we can draft today

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by Army of Nugs on Dec 24, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

adore_555@yahoo.com

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by CloudBurst on Dec 24, 2011 9:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey, how did cruz work out for you?

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