The Denver Stiffs 2011-12 NBA Preview: Eastern Conference...
Even though a few prominently named players remain unsigned and trade speculation persists for Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard, the 2011-12 NBA season is just six days away so it's not too early to prognosticate about it will shake out. Let's start with the Eastern Conference...
Looking back at last season's NBA preview, I whiffed with my Celtics-over-the-Lakers NBA Finals prediction as well as my prediction that the Nuggets would finish outside the playoffs were Carmelo Anthony to be traded for expiring contracts and picks (to be fair to myself, I had no idea that the Nuggets would maintain their competitiveness with the trade rather than rebuild).
But I got a few things right, too.
I called the Oklahoma City Thunder being better than our Nuggets (to much consternation from our readers), the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks regaining their prominence in the Western Conference (although I certainly didn't foresee an NBA Championship in Big D) and the Miami Heat's "Big Three" generating immediate success (I know, I really went out on a limb there). Of course, I also missed big time on the late-season rise of the Memphis Grizzlies and the regular season dominance of the Chicago Bulls.
Entering a manic 66-game, 120-day 2011-12 NBA season you have to think that the dawn of the Celtics and Lakers is finally over and that the hectic, condensed schedule will favor young, healthy teams that are used to playing together like the Heat, Grizzlies, Bulls, Thunder and our own Nuggets to some extent. Other teams - like the Los Angeles Clippers and New York Knicks - have vastly upgraded their rosters but will have some difficulty acclimating their new players into their respective systems with little training camp time and all those back-to-backs on the schedule.
So factoring all that in, here's my best guess as to how the 2011-12 season is going to shake out, starting with the Eastern Conference. Given that all teams will play 66 games - as opposed to a mere 50 as we saw after the 1998 lockout - I don't believe this season is asterisk-worthy. But the shortened schedule could net some unforeseen surprises, even more so than what we saw last season.
DENVER STIFFS EASTERN CONFERENCE PREVIEW
1. MIAMI HEAT
Outlook: The Heat lost out on having the best regular season record to the Bulls last season by four games, but that didn't stop the Heat from decimating Chicago in the Eastern Conference Finals in just five games. And if LeBron James weren't so scared of the fourth quarter, the Heat would have been 2011 NBA Champions.
With an NBA Finals humiliation and a full season of basketball under their belt, Miami's "Big Three" of James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are on the odds-on favorite to win the 2012 NBA Championship. And by adding Shane Battier, the Heat got exactly what they needed: a veteran leader who plays great defense and stretches the floor offensively. As much as it pains me to say this, 2011-12 should be the Heat's year to deliver James his first NBA Championship.
Miami Stiff: One of the greatest wastes of size and talent at the center position in recent memory, Eddy Curry is attempting to rebuild his career in Miami and has pledged to get into shape. I'll believe it when I see it, but at least Curry is drawing down $11 million this season.
2. CHICAGO BULLS
Outlook: Signing Rip Hamilton was a good move for the Bulls, but it doesn't make them better than Miami. Yet again, superstar point guard (and now MVP) Derrick Rose will have to carry the load for Chicago if they're to replicate last season's success. Luckily for the Bulls, with the exception of the Knicks no team improved much in the Eastern Conference to pose a threat to their "top-two" status in the conference.
Chicago Stiff: After signing a lucrative free agent contract that will pay him $16.8 million three seasons from now, Carlos Boozer rewarded the Bulls' faith in him by averaging playoff career lows in all categories across the board last season.
3. NEW YORK KNICKS
Outlook: The Isiah Thomas Era is fast becoming a distant memory in the Big Apple. Even though the Knicks mortgaged much of their future to acquire Carmelo Anthony last season, it's hard to ignore a front line of Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and (recently signed) Tyson Chandler. Seemingly overnight, the Knicks have built the best starting front court in the Eastern Conference.
The back court, however, leaves much to be desired. Recent signings of Mike Bibby and Baron Davis are intriguing, but pairing two aging, shoot-first point guards together ensures the Knicks won't get to the Eastern Conference Finals.
New York Stiff: I'm assigning the New York "Stiff" to the team's bench, or lack thereof. And the team's long-range shooting, or lack thereof, will be an ongoing question mark throughout the 2011-12 campaign.
4. BOSTON CELTICS
Outlook: Acquiring David West would have been great for Boston, but it didn't happen. Having Jeff Green on board for a full training camp and season would have been great, too, but that's not happening (tragically, due to Green's heart condition). Instead, the Celtics have an always-aging "Big Three" combined with a sure-to-be disgruntled Rajon Rondo being thrown into a 66-game season. Barring a big mid-season move, look for Boston to slide in the standings and get bounced from the playoffs in the second round (again).
Boston Stiff: Instead of picking up a solid, young veteran like Jamal Crawford or Mike Dunleavy, the Celtics get to spend $6.2 million on Jermaine O'Neal who is almost guaranteed to miss half of the 66 games this season due to an assortment of suspect injuries.
5. ATLANTA HAWKS
Outlook: The only notable moves made by the Hawks was the acquisition of Tracy McGrady and the non-trade of Josh Smith, who allegedly wants out. Meaning yet again, the Hawks will find themselves in the middle of the Eastern Conference playoff pack without a legitimate shot at further advancement.
Atlanta Stiff: He's hardly a Stiff today, but Hawks' All-Star shooting guard Joe Johnson will get paid almost $25 million when he's 35 years old. Now you know why the NBA had a prolonged lockout this year.
6. ORLANDO MAGIC
Outlook: Like the Nuggets last season, the Magic are the toughest team to handicap given the uncertainty surrounding star center Dwight Howard. With a happy Howard in place all season, the Magic could finish as high as third in the conference. With a disgruntled Howard in place all season, the Magic will finish sixth. And without Howard? Depending on who the Magic get back in trade, they could struggle to make the playoffs at all.
Orlando Stiff: General Manager - and former Nugget - Otis Smith's gun slinging ways have finally come home to roost. Smith took a championship caliber team and traded it away for a collection of aging, expensive swingmen that resulted in a first round playoff exit last season. And he just doubled down on stupid by trading away Brandon Bass for Glen "Big Baby" Davis and overpaying Davis soon thereafter.
7. INDIANA PACERS
Outlook: I used to joke about the Pacers' oversupply of white players. Well, that collection of players got itself into the playoffs last season, gave the 62-win Chicago Bulls a run for their money in the first round and will enter the shortened 2011-12 season as one of the exciting up-and-coming teams in the Eastern Conference. Signing All-Star David West to a two-year, $20 million deal will bolster a solid front line that already includes Tyler Hansbrough, Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert.
Indiana Stiff(s): Pacers fans. Rather than support this exciting young team, Pacers fans vacated their seats in the 2011 playoffs allowing so many Bulls fans into Conseco Fieldhouse that the Bulls essentially got five home games in a row. Here's hoping we don't see that much red in the stands this season as the Pacers get better.
8. PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Outlook: Like the Pacers, the 76ers provided one of the surprisingly good story lines for the 2010-11 NBA season under head coach Doug Collins. Unlike the Pacers, however, the 76ers did nothing in the offseason to substantively upgrade their lineup and as a result will barely repeat making the playoffs.
Philadelphia Stiff: The second overall pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, Evan Turner was somewhat of a disappointment in his rookie year, contributing little to the 76ers successful regular and post-season. Let's hope that Turner worked feverishly on his game during the lockout and proves not to be a bust.
9. MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Outlook: One of the biggest disappointments of the 2010-11 season, the Bucks look to rebound in 2011-12 having added the mercurial (but good) Stephen Jackson and the inconsistent (but good) Beno Udrih, in addition to Shaun Livingston and (just recently) Mike Dunleavy, Jr. With Brandon Jennings and Carlos Delfino already in place in the back court, the Bucks suddenly got more dynamic and deep at both guard positions. If center Andrew Bogut can stay healthy and head coach Scott Skiles doesn't piss everyone off, the Bucks could get themselves back into the playoffs in 2012.
Milwaukee Stiff: Jackson has had a falling out with virtually every franchise he has played for. It's hard to imagine that he'll be happy in Milwaukee all season long.
10. NEW JERSEY NETS
Outlook: A full season with Deron Williams at point guard should improve the Nets' fortunes greatly. But without a second star - like Dwight Howard - on board, the Nets will be relegated to the lottery once again and may lose Williams to free agency next summer as a result.
New Jersey Stiff: The entire Nets roster not named Williams, (Brook) Lopez and (Anthony) Morrow. Who is Williams supposed to pass to?!
11. DETROIT PISTONS
Outlook: It's hard to imagine why Lawrence Frank jumped at the chance to coach this Pistons team (other than the sizable paycheck, of course). Not only is there a dearth of talent presently, but thanks to the bad contracts owned by Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva and the hefty contracts recently given to Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey, Detroit's future is crippled, too.
Detroit Stiff: It's hard to label Pistons' GM Joe Dumars a "Stiff" given that he once ran the NBA's most profitable franchise that generated back-to-back NBA Finals appearances (and one championship) not too long ago. But in recent seasons Dumars has overpayed for mediocre players and has overseen two straight playoff absences.
12. WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Outlook: The Wizards will miss the playoffs - again - but could be exciting to watch with second-year point guard John Wall joining forces with some exciting rookies Jan Vesely and Chris Singleton. Center JaVale McGee and power forward Andray Blatche should continue to improve, as well, but overall the Wizards are a collection of young, raw players that are at least a season or two away from competing in the playoffs.
Washington Stiff: It's not Rashard Lewis' fault that he's the second-highest paid player in the NBA (that would be Otis Smith's fault), but $22 million is a lot to spend for a guy who averaged 11 ppg last season.
13. CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Outlook: The Bobcats have assembled one of the most unappealing rosters in the NBA and whatever fans they have left should be asking a lot of "Who's?" Who's going to score? Who's going to rebound? Who's going to defend? Who's going to fill out the starting five. And, perhaps most importantly ... who cares? The additions of Kemba Walker and Bismack Biyombo could pay off down the road, but 2011-12 is going to be a painful season in Charlotte.
Charlotte Stiff: Michael Jordan's stewardship of the Bobcats franchise has been suspect at best. If it weren't for His Airness himself owning the team, the Bobcats - along with the Hornets - should be contracted.
14. CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Outlook: The Cavaliers' extreme makeover in the wake of LeBron James's departure continues, with the latest incarnation featuring #1 overall pick Kyrie Irving, #4 overall pick Tristan Thompson and new addition Omri Casspi from Sacramento (I like Casspi, but don't like him more than J.J. Hickson whom he was traded for). But like all super young teams, the Cavaliers will struggle to stay out of the Eastern Conference basement.
Cleveland Stiff: Owner Dan Gilbert's incessant whining may have cost the Lakers Chris Paul and who knows what other repercussions will come of Gilbert's behavior in the future.
15. TORONTO RAPTORS
Outlook: Until rookie center Jonas Valanciunas shows up (which could be a year away), the Raptors will go through the motions as a bottom feeder in the Eastern Conference. At virtually every position, the Raptors have below-average or near-the-basement talent with the exception of center/power forward Andrea Bargnani
Toronto Stiff: The Raptors' management team, for stealing Gary Forbes from our Nuggets!
Coming next, The Denver Stiffs 2011-12 Western Conference Preview...
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I think the Heat have gotten worse honestly
I also don’t see how you can have the Knicks ahead of the Hawks? The Hawks still have plenty of talent.
1. Chicago Bulls Young, strong defense and I’m sure Rose has been working like crazy this off-season as he enters his prime years athletically.. They will go to the Finals this year.
2. Miami Heat Lebron and D-Wade are still top 5 players, Bosh is still overrated and the talent level drops off incredibly after Bosh like last year..
3. Indiana Pacers I think they are sleepers to be really good this year, last year they played hard under whoever their coach is, now they have added more talent, and if they land Rondo somehow, look out!
4. Atlanta Hawks Boring team with a lot of talent, will go through the motions and lose in the playoffs.
5. Milwaukee Bucks Healthy Bogut, strong coaching, picked up some nice pieces like Tobias Harris whom many expected the Nuggets to get in the draft last year.
6. New York Knicks Enough talent to make the playoffs with Chandler now added, but they are seriously lacking depth with Balkman expected to get a lot of minutes.
7. Boston Celtics They are trying to trade Rondo, Green is out for the season, all of their best players are over 33, which is the down-fall for 95% of players.. it looks ugly.
8. Orlando Magic Without Dwight Howard, mentally only or mentally and physically they will struggle despite having so many good shooters. I think they will be just good enough for the playoffs though.
9 Philadelphia 76ers Good young offensive core will get better, but won’t be enough to make playoffs.
10. Washington Wizards Wall will get better and they have some decent players.. they still won’t be that good though.
11. Detroit Pistons Not really a young core to work with, a bunch of bad contracts, mediocre players.. it looks ugly in Detroit.
12. Nets Won’t get Howard (for now), and the talent drops off like wildfire after Brook Lopez, yea they have Morrow but nothing else really.. I don’t think D-Will is good enough to carry this team in the playoffs.
13. Charlotte Bobcats Andrew, where are the Bobcats in your preview?! Anyways, I’d forget them as well.. they won’t do anything this year, there is nothing attractive on that team at all.
14. Toronto Raptors Still have a good offense, even if their defense is terrible. Very, very, very terrible.
15. Cleavland Cavaliers Going in the right direction, even if their bench wouldn’t make a starting 5 anywhere in the D league.. well maybe.
Atheist for Tebow!
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
He wanted to see how long it would take for someone to notice that
Charlotte was missing. Nice catch and placement.
Ha - Charlotte is so irrelevant that I totally forgot them!
Will add them in now…
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by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 19, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Just you wait...
With the young talent we currently have (Henerson, Bioyombo, Walker, Thomas) and with several terrible, terrible contracts coming off the books soon (Diop, Carroll, Najera, etc), we should become a pretty entertaining and competitive team. We’re going to be very flexible in terms of finances. That won’t happen till the season after next, probably, so in the meantime, yes, we’re going to suck (probably more than we usually do).
But being a Bobcats fan since the team’s inception, I can wait a few more years. And I can handle the snide remarks the media and public gives us. lol
This will probably be a painful season for us, no doubt, but the young ones should get plenty of exposure and play time—good for our future.
by Roger, Roger on Dec 19, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Best of luck!
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Dec 19, 2011 8:01 PM MST up reply actions
"drops off like wildfire" [nets talent]
What the hell does that mean? I thought wildfire burned stuff up not dropped off anywhere.. lol
Anyway i mostly agree with you assessment but wonder how the Pacers would get Rondo?
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 19, 2011 4:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry
sometimes I make up my own similes on the spot and that one was pretty bad.
Atheist for Tebow!
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
The Knicks jumping all the way up to 3rd?
I thought … No Way, On second thought so long as the front line can stay healthy, that could very well be. Tempted to think Indy moves up the ladder more.
With a healthy Amare
Sure. Nuggets Fan for Knicks Failure in 2014!
by RoxWS2014 on Dec 19, 2011 10:20 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Healthy Chandler more important
Melo can play PF in a pinch, but they have literally nobody besides Chandler to play C:
Josh Harrellson – Rookie, 6’10", 275
Jerome Jordan – Rookie. 7’0", 240
So uhhhh, better hope that the knees of Amare and Chandler (and Melo) hold out through the sets of b2b2bs
by Colin Neilson on Dec 19, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
in a pinch we'll put Jared Jeffries in there
he’s good for a charge or two….that’s about it.
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Don't underestimate Harrelson
His skill set fits well with what the Knicks need. He is a tough aggressive defensive minded player who can shoot some, rebound and most importantly bang around with the other big bodies..The knicks don’t need the second coming of Kareem to back up Chandler.(although as a Knick fan I would welcome it). Jorts will be fine and so will the Knicks.
These predictions look pretty well thought out to me but don’t go to sleep on the Knicks.
The Landryman can
Curry doesn't make $11 million
He signed a one year deal for the Vet minimum. You probably saw that on the ESPN trade machine, which is frustratingly inaccurate right now.
Regarding the heat, I don’t think this years team is as good as last years. Battier is a shell of his former self, Joel Anthony is their only center, and the corpse of Juwan Howard is still on the team. Good luck beating the knicks front line with that. Good luck staying healthy enough to beat an improving and deep Chicago with that. Chicago was just finding itself last year, and should be even better. I’m calling Chicago as title favorites for this year.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 AM MST reply actions
As good as Rose is
i’m never a fan of shoot first PGs being the teams star. maybe it’s still shellshock from the Marbury years, but i’m still calling the Heat the favs…
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Man, there are a lot of really bad teams in the East
…but, I think the 76ers will surprise a little. They played really well last year after a horrible start.
"Seemingly overnight, the Knicks have built the best starting front court in the Eastern Conference."
But who will guard the small forward and power forward positions??
Clearly they expect Chandler
to clean up on the back end. Allows Melo and Stoudemire to play up close on their guys for jump shots, then Chandler intimidates them if they drive. Think of Denver when Camby was here, minus the terrible 20 second long set shot from the top of the key every time someone made the mistake of passing the ball to Camby.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
Even when Camby won Defensive Player of the Year
we had a terrible defense. Chandler will be a better presence down low than Camby. But it won’t be enough IMO. They’ll still shine offensively, ya know, if their guards know how to dribble the ball upcourt.
Yup
Camby was a very good defender, but that DPOY award was based upon the amount of blocks he got because of all the wing penetration other teams had on the Nuggets in 2006-2007
by Colin Neilson on Dec 19, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
Good points.
Good off-ball defender…which in the Nuggets case was very useful. But I’ll take a Nene (and hopefully) a big guy like Mozgov for better on-ball defense and a clog in the lane.
camby. like birdman was a great OFF HE BALL defender.
both are terrible man defenders. nene and our guards pourous defense deserved that d.p.o.y, award more than camby.
does noone remember how much nene used changler in the playoff’s against n.o.? chandler looked like a great d-player last year cause, well he was in dallas. the tallest midget, and they played zone to boot. subing chandler for c.b. was a step in the wrong direction and that will show as the season oes on, and melo/amare lose interest in d.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
goo ponts
expsecially becuz it wsa so ez 2 reda.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
Don't forget, Chandler was playing on one leg in that playoff series vs. Denver a few years back...
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
I had forgotten that...
Seem to remember he had a stress fracture in one foot.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
If B.Davis can show anything once that back heals
i think we’ll have the PG we need…at least for this season. and don’t sleep on our young boy Shumpert.
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I’m excited to see Shumpert play, he was on Denver’s radar leading up to the draft. Liked what I saw out of him and continue to hear good things.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah he passed his first test
which was the preseason opener. i hope this shortened pre season doesn’t have a negative affect on these rooks, as far as stunting their learning curve. altho i do think it’ll help physically, since they didn’t have to put there bodies thru the rigors of summer league, training camp and a reg. pre-season.
how’s kenneth faried looked for you guys? has he played yet? i wanted the Knicks to draft him for his motor and rebounding/D prescence, altho his size wasn’t really apropo to what we needed.
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He looks great
Only question is, will our stubborn coach play him as a rookie?
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Lookin' forward to that
The Knicks now have two frontcourt players that don’t play defense and demand the ball (106 and 107 DRTG) and two aging shoot first points (Davis, Bibby). Hell, Amare and Melo alone have a 61.2% USG rate.
If anything happens to Chandler, they’re gonna be forced to run Amare at C, and might have to trot Balkman out there at PF, lol.
by Colin Neilson on Dec 19, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
prolly not amare
more likely J. Jeffries, or the young josh harellson. don’t think amare at C would be any long term solution D’Antoni would consider.
and Davis looked pretty good last season with the Cavs, so i wouldn’t discount that signing. and our best off season acquisition might actually be Mike Woodson – he’s instilling a defensive mindset to the team, something that D’Antoni never cared about. it worked on Sat., but that was against the Nets, and that’s not that hard to do.
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…the terrible 20 second long set shot from the top of the key every time someone made the mistake of passing the ball to Camby.
I almost choked on my coffee reading that. Hilarious.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
Well played LOL
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Just read on ESPN ticker
That Nugs are chasing a Mexican center. Does anyone else know what I am taking about
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
U.N. 2011-2
Well, we don’t have a player from Mexico yet, right?
All we need is another big
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2011/12/new_orleans_hornets_talking_wi.html
Maybe he is another project just like Chuchu
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
why would we need another backup center?
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 19, 2011 4:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
We'll have a tree farm for a D-league team
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
My Eastern Conference Rankings
Miami
New York
Chicago
Boston
Orlando
Atlanta
Indiana
Milwaukee
with a non existant bench and quite possibly the worst back court in the nba
I have the Knicks outside the top 4. I also believe the heat will take the top seed.
1.Heat
2. Bulls
3.Hawks (with a tough schedule for an older Celtics team and a vanishing magic team, they can take the jump.)
4. Celtics – still too much chemistry to fall too far in this fast 66 game season
5.Magic with Howard or Knicks if Howard is traded.
6. Nets with Howard or Knicks if Howard is still on the Magic
7.Bucks -now healthy and with Stephen Jackson could be a sleeper to be much higher
8. 76ers -until the Pacers prove me wrong.
philly, indiana, and milwaukee will ALL finish ahead of th knicks
especially the latter two.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 1:02 PM MST reply actions
Everyone keeps talking about the East
And how they are going to get better and more competitive.
But I just don’t see it. Beyond Miami and Chicago, the top 8 teams in the west could kill anyone else.
But Chicago and Miami might just be better than the top teams in the west.
Oh no!
"No one likes a beggar slightly overdressed"
ya. that's kinda been how it's been for years imo
but i would say that the bottom level teams in the east won’t be around or below .500 for maybe the first time in a while
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
nuggetsnews Benjamin Hochman
#nuggets remain confident that afflalo will re-sign.. He’s in town now.. Like Melo used to say, “we shall see”
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 1:29 PM MST reply actions
Benjamin Hochman
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Starting #nuggets lineup for tues exhibition vs suns – Ty, miller, gallo, nene and mozzy
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM MST reply actions
I agree ...WTF
George leaning on his crutch….the two PG line-up.
I wondn't worry about it. It's preseason
AAA will start at sg when all is said and done. He’s not in town just for the hell of it. I bet he’s come to sign his new contract.
right, but it's the role establishment i don't like
and with just 2 p.s. games, it means it is what karl is planning for r.s.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
yup
Patrick is right. Guess we get look forward to the extraordinarily stupid Ty-Miller backcourt!
by Colin Neilson on Dec 19, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Where is the
Oh God No gif from Office Space when you need it?
Soo true
Hopefully he doesn’t stay with that forever. It is the Suns so we will get the W, but god damn it I say the same thing Michael Scott says if he does a 2 PG lineup.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
are you going to do a new SN
with JR exiled by his own choice in China? And didn’t Denver give someone else his number?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
Not right now
Hamilton might be the candidate to change my sn if he turns into an amazing scorer and is hated by Nuggets fans, but I think JR is unique/ polarizing enough that he can’t be replaced that easily for that position.
Plus I still blame Karl for not using JR to the fullest.
JR will be my favorite Nugget of the Thugget era which seems to be dying off very fast. I am doing it in his memory as a Nugget, because if he has any braincells he won’t join the Nuggets with Karl.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
He'll only come back if there is no other option
and even then I’m not sure they would sign him. G.K. certainly doesn’t want him, and he has said he wants to start.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
I love JR, too
But I don’t see the Nuggets making him any offer to come back.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 19, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
WTF Karl
Ty and Miller at the same time is the dumbest thing.
by Colin Neilson on Dec 19, 2011 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
Well
That means good minutes for Julyan Stone off the bench.
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 19, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
Different story
Tarheel, had a long offseason and camp, etc.
Julyan Stone, Hamilton and Faried are far less likely to sniff PT this year
by Colin Neilson on Dec 19, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
When they are on the floor together, Miller likely will run the half-court offense, while Lawson will be the catalyst in transition.
“It’s going to be fun playing with him," Lawson said. "I’m going to let him run the (point). He’s good at bringing the ball up and seeing the whole court. I’m just going to run and get ahead of the ball."
I have very mixed feelings on this. Obviously, I want Ty to play point now and really advance through experience. I do think Dre has things he can teach him, but both he and Karl need to push a succession plan and not stunt Ty’s growth.
Does Karl realize
you can’t just add up the toal height on your team and average it out amongst the players? No matter how big your front court is, it doesn’t add inches to Andre Miller.
not only that, but we NEED more agression on o than we neede passivity
we are loaded in the unselfishness dept.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
From Manimal
Yup RT @VanGoGoGirly: So @Arron_Afflalo is in Denver……is gonna re-sign!?!?!?!? #Nuggets #BlueAndYellow
Let's start a riot!
Blockquote
EPIC FAIL
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 19, 2011 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
Uhhhmmm
I’m not fluent in twitter? Can you translate? Looks like someone asked AAA if he was going to re-sign and he said yes?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
Someone asked if AAA was here to sign and Faried said yes
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
So Faried said yes, not AAA
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
yes
AAA has been deadly quiet. Hopefully being an “Assassin” like against the Mavs
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 19, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
Faried "RT" (retweeted)
“Yup” in response to the asked, who asked if Afflalo was going to resign while in Denver today
by Colin Neilson on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Would it be feasible for DenverStiffs to have links to....
… all the players twitter accounts on the main page?
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
by margabelle on Dec 19, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
How do you
post pictures from your phone on here? I haven’t been able to do it.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM MST reply actions
Can't do it on mobile
Click on the link for the main page like you would see with your computer and you can do it there
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
As far as I can tell
that only lets me post a picture that is already on the web, not post a new one from my phone. Must be missing something.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
no
thats the only way it can post pictures, its built on html so…..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
you could always upload your photo to a photo site
and then utilize the link, photobucket or what not….but u cant get pictures from some hard disk and attach it on to theposts here..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
cool, thanks to you both
trying it now.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
Man if only the bulls could have gotten AA
and i actually wanted them to get Rudy Fernandez as well….i think it would have put the bulls over the top….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
ya and if only the nuggets got dwight howard and chris paul
unfortunately simple math prevents such silliness.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Bulls are very good
they will be in serious contention. Could very well win the whole thing. Last year they were like gangly teenagers. Will be mature this year.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
unless rip harnesses 2005 rip
and unless boozer reverts back to being a 20/10 machine….bulls are probably gonna finish in ecf again….thats my realistic expectations
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Rip will be an upgrade
even if a shadow of his former self. You guys have the ammo to pull the trade deadline put us over the top deal that none of the other contenders in the east have. I could easily see a sign and trade for a J.R. Smith or someone in the last year of there deal for a non-contending team.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
You guys have two #1's next year as ammo
and the new looser rules on salary matching for trades. You have your number one and Charlottes top 14 protected that goes to unprotected in 2016.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
i doubt the bulls use the charlotte pick
i think they will hold onto it as it only becomes more valuable as every year passes (assuming jordan continues to screw up building that roster). The bulls are stingy, we could have pulled off a trade before this season started but for whatever reason the org. didnt want to. The only way the bulls make a trade is if they are struggling to remain elite by the deadline, or if howard suddenly declares he wants to come to chicago…If the bulls are winning games, i doubt they bother taking a risk (even if its a high reward scenerio) of shaking up the roster to get better.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I guess we'll see
I’d do J.R. for Chicago’s #1 next year no problem. I’ll certainly be rooting for you guys against the Knicks and Heat. If Melo really cared about winning he would have demanded Chicago.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
yea i posted this elsewhere
but denver is my favorite team in the west right now. I really love your roster, though no real superstar you guys have a plethora of great role players, an awesome coach, and currently have a great culture of guys who play hard and want to win. I am loving what ive seen of faried,i think hes gonna be a gerald wallace type player (who is my favorite sf) a fearless athletic defender. Gallinari is a terrific player that ny probably wishes they had kept, evolving from just a shooter into an overall offensive player. I think brewer is gonna be a constant x-factor especially on defense, and andre miller gives you a nice quarterback who will keep the ship in control. Its just a very well rounded team.
Im gonna enjoy watching your games this season, so good luck to y’all
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Way out on a limb here with Dwane Casey and the Raptors
Predicting significant improvement (how’s that for hedging?) from that team due to new head coach Dwane Casey, especially since he’s a tough, defensive minded guy. Some of their talent is underrated, as well. Look forward to seeing them finish, well, not last.
And may I echo Feinstein’s STIFFERIZING of the mentally challenged Otis Smith? As a former Sonics fan, I laughed and scratched my head till it bled over that gazillion dollar contract he gave Rashard Lewis. (Guess they can’t afford scouting trips or a film program there in Orlando.) How then could his GM moves have deteriorated even further after that?! Yet they did.
And Joe Dumars seems to have developed a major case of early-onset dementia, aka STIFFencephalitis. His player and coaching choices, not to mention his wildly conflicting public statements, reopen all those scratch wounds on my head most every year. His treatment of coaches has been nothing short of reprehensible. Here’s hoping Lawrence Frank can lock Dumars in a closet somewhere far away from team operations.
No. More. Stickyball.
Dumars has been Denver's MVP
He gave us Jones, He gave us Billups, he gave us AAA. I’m just bummed we haven’t gotten anything out of him this year. Smart teams try to trade with him and Kaaaaaahnnnnnn every year.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
Really glad to hear the AAA news
Thanks for the many updates, guys.
"No one likes a beggar slightly overdressed"
as i recall there were as many question marks as exclamation points in farieds tweet
i’ll believe it when aaa says it…. or at least an insider confirms it.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
I didn’t mean to sound like I accepted Faried’s word — I mean, what relationship could the rookie even have with AAA at this point anyway?
Just that latest series of Tweets did not sound so promising. This has me guardedly optimistic. Like my fantasy football playoff game. I’m only down nine points with two players going tonight. I should cover. But it wouldn’t be terribly surprising if I do not.
Can’t believe Gronkowski disappeared the day I faced the guy with Aaron Hernandez. You’ve got to be kidding me.
"No one likes a beggar slightly overdressed"
Ouch on Gronkowski/Hernandez
You had the bad luck of facing him the week after Gronk went off in Washington, so the defense was focused on him.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
Also:
I’m totally rooting for the Bulls this year in the east.
Huge fan of Noah and Deng and the rest of those guys. Hope they can stop the Heat.
In the west, I don’t know who I like after the Nuggets. I was pretty keen on the Thunder last year, but I’ve soured on them considerably after the playoffs. Perkins and Westbrook drive me crazy like an 8.
"No one likes a beggar slightly overdressed"
i called the bulls and maverics in the finals prior to last season
so many lakers fans thought i was insane but i was very close to being right.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
this year its bulls v okc
not as bold as last year, but still.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
Clearly the worst prediction in the history of predictifying
Bulls vs. Nuggets!
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions
I see AAA has not tweeted my status
of me twitter stalking him. Dammit
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
brownnoser.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
Just trying to hobknob, rub elbows
gladhand etc with celebs….you know how it is being in SoCal and such
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
haha
I see you have not tweeted my status of twitter stalking you!
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 19, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
Wait, how did you know that's what I said to him?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
What?
I was stating what I said to you, not you to AAA
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 19, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
Wait you are twitter stalking me? I'm confused now LOL
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
haha
I dont have your twitter feed to be able to stalk you. :(
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 19, 2011 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
That's why I was confused....LOL
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I saw a pretty funny sign at the Broncos game yesterday
it was 4 quarters= a dollar and then a picture of Lebron+Tebow=one dollar. Right, so there is my East review, hoping for no Knicks and no Heat. BIG THREZZZ RULZZZ
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
That is hilarious
Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Just going up on ESPN online: Sources say Nuggets and restricted free agent Arron Afflalo agree to five-year deal in excess of $43 million
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 5:50 PM MST reply actions
DON'T YOU TROLL US
.If you’re making this up….I’ll find you ….
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
About frickin' time! You deserve a pulitzer!
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
source confirmed — done deal, afflalo back to #nuggets. 5 yr, up to 43 mil.. www.denverpost.com/nuggets























