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Golden Nuggets: Look who's climbing up the standings...

In spite of the myriad of distractions engulfing our Nuggets, they have won seven of 10 and find themselves just two games out of the Western Conference's fourth-seed.

Star-divide

While our rival Utah Jazz implode to the tune of six-straight losses and the Oklahoma City Thunder are essentially playing .500 ball, the Nuggets have (sort of) found their mojo en route to three-straight wins and victors of seven of their last 10 outings. The Nuggets are playing so well, in fact, that they even won Wednesday night in Detroit...a place they hadn't landed a victory since March of 1995.

With upcoming dates at Cleveland, Philadelphia and New Jersey on the near horizon followed by home dates against Portland and Utah, there's no reason the Nuggets shouldn't keep the good times rolling, even if they're without the services of their top big men.

Given the current winning streak and the winnable games around the corner, the talk on much of Denver sports radio this week has been primarily about the Nuggets keeping Carmelo Anthony. In such a scenario, the Nuggets would be gambling on their lone superstar re-signing in Denver at season's end rather than risk forgoing $30-something million by Melo signing as a free agent elsewhere under the NBA's new collective bargaining agreement to come.

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. I remain in the "trade him while you can get something for him" camp, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see this team rack up as many wins as possible while #15 is still here. So I guess the simple answer for now is: enjoy the wins while they last. Because as we were reminded of the 1994-95 Nuggets throughout the Nuggets/Pistons broadcast, a losing season can be just around the corner.

The Business Of Basketball, 2011
According to Forbes, the Nuggets rank 20th in franchise value among all 30 NBA teams and lost $11.7 million last season, fourth-worst in the NBA. Of course, it helps when your owner is listed among the NBA's 10 wealthiest.

Nuggets' travels lead ’Melo back home - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
Adrian Wojnaworski writes that Melo "wants to be courted" and loves the attention being bestowed upon him, despite what he's saying publicly.

Uneasy Carmelo Anthony talks about his Nuggets future | All Things Nuggets
The Denver Post's Benjamin Hochman gets Melo to admit that he'd be "screwed" if he doesn't sign the Nuggets' (or whomever Melo gets traded to) generous three-year extension before the NBA's new CBA goes into effect.

Wizards Insider - Carmelo Anthony on joining Wizards: "I never really thought about it."
Given its proximity to Melo's hometown of Baltimore, some have floated Washington as a possible destination for Melo. In response to that, Melo says: "They not giving Baltimore no team."

Source: Denver OK dealing with Knicks - CBSSports.com
Now Ken Berger claims that the Nuggets could deal with the Knicks for Melo and suddenly have interest in Anthony Randolph. If true, this reeks of the Nuggets trying to get the Nets back to the table for fear of losing Melo to the Knicks.

From the Archives...
Setting the record straight on the Melo trade rumors... - Denver Stiffs
After the Nuggets were humiliated by the Lakers in a 2008 playoff sweep and rumors abounded that Melo might be traded at George Karl's behest, I wrote that "this would be a colossal, unforgivable mistake" and compared the (at the time) Karl/Melo rift to that the of Don Nelson and Chris Webber in Golden State many years earlier.

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this is shaping up to be a good road trip

i hope we take it to the next three teams like we did last night.

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 8:29 AM MST reply actions  

"this is shaping up to be a good road trip"

Wow, I never thought I’d hear those words muttered this season.

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
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by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

GN to follow up on a reply to gave yesterday to me

About why New Yorks offer is worth than nothing. You said how could I possibly forecast 30 to 40 wins. The current team, with anthony, is on pace for somewhere between 40 and 50 wins. I think forecasting a drop off after an Anthony trade is very reasonable. The guys New York is offering are not top level guys.

In terms of why it is worse than nothing, I’ve already stated that it leaves the team in a never never land of not good enough to compete and not bad enough to get a top pick. Another reason not to do it is the new CBA. It is possible that a new CBA would restrict Anthony’s movement and that they would be able to get a better deal then. I think these odds aren’t fantastic, but they are better than New Yorks offer, which is garbage. Would you accept Birdman, J.R. and Forbes for Anthony? Is New Yorks offer any better than this?

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

One could respond to the "would you accept Birdman, JR and Forbes for Anthony? question...

with, if we don’t trade Anthony, that is exactly what we are in effect doing.

I am more sympathetic to your position, but it’s gonna hurt for a while if Melo leaves anyway. I just want to not trade him as playing hardball is the only way to get Melo to sign the extension, and it’s worth the risk.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Um, yes their offer is WAY better than JR, Forbes and Birdman

Chandler, Randolph and Fields is a way better combination.

I guess the main difference between you and I, is that I’m not totally ready to concede if Anthony leaves. I think if we re-sign a lot of the dudes that say they’d like to as well as add Fields, Chandler and Randolph to the mix, we can still be a pretty damn good team. I just don’t think that just because Melo’s gone the first thing we HAVE to do is suddenly go into rebuilding mode. I think we could still squeeze a few more competitive years out of this group. And like I mentioned before, if we really want to rebuild and can’t re-sign Chauncey, Nene and JR, it’s not like the guys we’d be getting in the Melo deal would really prevent us from doing so.

As for the CBA, banking on something that might happen is suicide. Sure, something has a chance, but when we have an issue as pivotal as the one we’re dealing with now with Melo, you can’t just bank on things that might happen.

Bottom line is, trading Melo assures us of assets, as well as talent in the future. Keeping Melo doesn’t assure us of anything, and what happens if we don’t make any noise in the playoffs and he just leaves first chance he gets. That would be idiotic after everything we’ve been through this year.

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't view Chandler, Fields, and randolph

as assets. Their stats are grossly inflated. They’ll turn into Diop, or any number of others who flop as soon as they are not playing for D’antoni.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, it's a matter of personal opinion

I happen to think those guys carry some value, and I’m sure a lot of other GMs in this league do to who would be willing to give up players we covet more in exchange for one of those guys.

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

If they could work out a better deal

in a multi team trade, that could be worth it.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

i know it seem like muttering because its all lowercase

but i was really shouting it from the rooftops an all that.

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Whats the story on Nene and his injury?

is there any chance of aggravating it and causing it to be a season ending injury? I hope not…

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 8:31 AM MST reply actions  

also, no more of those Alternative road jerseys with the bad font..

they are bad luck, they make us play like the Memphis Grizzlies… and look like them too.

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 8:31 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Got it!

for the most part… I still don’t know what jerseys we were wearing during the Minnesota game because I wasn’t watching that game and I forgot which one we wore at the Kings game we lost (guess I shunned every memory I had of that game) other than that..

Nuggets are 1-1 away wearing their “home jerseys” that they did way early in the seasons (only the first two road games did we wear our home jerseys while the home team wore the away jersey)

Nuggets are 6-7 to my knowledge wearing the standard away baby blue jersey

and 1-4 wearing the Navy Blue Alts.

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

agreed 100%

Those alternate uniforms are awful.

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by Andrew Feinstein on Jan 27, 2011 9:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Whaa?? The powder blue alternates or the dark blue aways?

Both look amazing! The navy dark blues with gold trim is one of my favorite uni designs in all of sports.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 27, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

what are the powder blue alternates?

you mean the ones with the white patch with yellow stripes at the sides to the normal away jersey?

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

no way

those are so nasty… i love mine i always rock it around.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

This could not be more wrong

"I just want to say fuck you, and I mean that in the most professional way" -Brandon Llyod
SAVE CHAUNCEY!!!!

by Phil H. on Jan 27, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

That Forbes article makes the prospect of just

letting Melo and everyone else go and pursuing the Avalanche model for the Nuggets a strong possibility.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 8:32 AM MST reply actions  

Forbes could be a great back up SF in the NBA, I don't think he has what it takes to be a starter

but given time he could have a Shawn Matrix role for us like Shawn on the Mavs does..minus any Butler injuries.

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 8:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Guess that makes me confusionious.

because I knew someone would find that confusing.

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Margabelle was talking about the Forbes magazine article about teams values

you were talking about Gary Forbes. It was not me that was confused. Unless that was intentionally confusing, in that case, well played.

by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jan 27, 2011 8:45 AM MST up reply actions  

exactly.

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

ok Forbes would be a good SF

like Shawn Marion is for the Dallas Mavericks right now (not in his prime) in that he would make a solid bench player, but I don’t think he would ever be a starter. Since Butler is injured for the year Shawn Marion has to play the starting SF role.

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 8:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I do agree with you about this though.

I really like Forbes, he could be a solid 6th or 7th man on a team. If we get rid of JR we’ll definitely need him to step up into that role.

by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jan 27, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Kind of brings some clarity as to why Kroenke wants to cut costs on the Nuggets

Just because you have billions doesn’t mean you want to throw away millions on what’s basically your hobby.

by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jan 27, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I think that the first quarters are important to us in road trips..

I need a stat man to tell me what our record has been on the road when we are leading the first quarter and vice versa. We need a Celtics mentality. They got the bad boy persona that we SHOULD have. We are not going to get respect any other way.

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 8:33 AM MST reply actions  

Man, I would much rather read about the Nuggets winning

…than Melo drama. If the Nuggets can keep it up and put together a nice playoff run, even with the prospect of Melo leaving, it will make all this much easier to take.

by Pusherman on Jan 27, 2011 9:11 AM MST reply actions  

the FO has it backward IMO

I think they shoud use Kmart and /or JR’s contracts to get a big before resolving the Melo thing. We need one anyway, it doesn’t depend on Melo’s absence or presence. But it could convince him to stay.
Then, if we have to trade Melo anyway, we do the Favors/Murphy deal and get our salary relief there.

by slader on Jan 27, 2011 9:28 AM MST reply actions  

Who's out there?

Just Kaman right?

Maybe, MAYBE Emeka Okafor (Who I would like a lot)

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by CombatChuk on Jan 27, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Kaman and Sack Randolph are very attainable.

Problem is, we don’t really have assets, unless of course we want to give up future draft picks and/or Ty Lawson and I’d say “hell no” to that prospect.

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Exactly

Kmarts expiring is nearly useless – much more attractive trades available for teams looking to dump salary. No point in taking on a contract like Okafor and then watching anthony leave.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I would honestly give up Ty for a big like Okafor...

Truth is, it’s much easier finding PGs than Centers… Now that we have draft picks we could easily find a PG in the draft, or set up landing Chris Paul in 2012 (placating Melo to stay here)

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by CombatChuk on Jan 27, 2011 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Blasphemy!

Ty is one of a kind man, he’s a future top PG in this league, and although bigs are important, so are PGs.

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree

need to keep Ty around, seems like he’s getting better and better everytime I watch him

"boo that, boo that mothafrrrs"...................good now both of us are pissed!

by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Ty is pretty cool and all

But if he could be an asset that helps us keep Melo (By using to acquire a big), I think he can be moved… Still can get a couple of years out of Chauncey then we can find another PG to replace him.

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by CombatChuk on Jan 27, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, but what happens if Melo leaves anyways?

Then we just gave up a future, possible, All-Star PG for nothing? That makes no sense. I think we have a good enough team already for someone to re-sign here for three more years, and if MElo can’t see that, Zach Randolph isn’t going to change it. What you’re asking for is to be Lebroned, as in, giving up all kinds of assets and doing anything you possibly can just to please your superstar, and in the end you will only get screwed.

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

You can't try to appease MElo by giving up assets

he’s already made up his mind
Zbo isn’t gonna make him resign, he only wants to be one place geographically

"boo that, boo that mothafrrrs"...................good now both of us are pissed!

by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep

Think of it people. Melo wants to go to a worse team right now. What exactly is that saying about him? HE WANTS NY, and will stop at nothing to get there!

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Also, how many PGs were taken in the 2009 draft? How many are in next years?

Take Ian Miller next year with our 1st rounder… Freakish Athelete, Chauncey would be the perfect mentor for him…

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by CombatChuk on Jan 27, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I watched him the other night

Really liked what I saw. Then there was that South Carolina game too, they had a good big man, but i have to find the game, then his name.

Trade Melo to Toronto and Start JR!!!!!
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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm with you

What I would like to see is for Memphis to extend and trade Randolph to the Nugs for Kmart and Ty or Kmart and 2 1st rounders. I really wish this could happen.

by Gasus on Jan 27, 2011 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

It's funny how everyone here bashes Melo for not showing loyalty

When everyone here is ready to ship out just about anyone on the team for just about anyone on another team. Unless of course it’s brought up by our FO or the media, then they’re just trying to rip apart the team.

by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jan 27, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Nugs need some changes

I pray to God the changes they make are like what I am suggesting and not blowing up the team like what the NJ deal was suggesting. Nugs will get better with Zach Randolph now and for the future. Dude is a baller. Perfect nut case for this nut case Nugs team.

by Gasus on Jan 27, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

I suppose

I personally just don’t want to see it at the sacrifice of Ty Lawson.

by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jan 27, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

it wouldnt be a future move

no way would we resign Z-bo (unless we won a title and melo was staying), it would jsut be a move for this season to add some beef and convince melo we can make a run

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't it be a move and why wouldn't the Nugs re-sign Z-bo?

They will need a 4 after Kmart and everyone on this site knows the Nugs need a big. Randolph is a baller and would give the Nugs one of the most dominant inside tandems in the game in he and Nene.

by Gasus on Jan 27, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

The more NO wins

Okafor isn’t leaving even if the Hornets are owned by the NBA

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 27, 2011 12:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Z-bos

on the market quietly.

Not a C, but a 20-12 guy

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

i'll pass

he’s harrington 2.0 but a bit better on the glass and on the wrong side of 30. So you guys are telling me you would honstly trade Ty for a piece of shiz Zach Randolph? Come on guys.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

NO not Ty

ID do something like

Kenyon and JR smith for Z-Bo and Henry? OJ mayo? or Thabeet? those are the one i can see that would make the numbers work.

Z-bo is expiring so it’d just be a move for this year to try and add some beef

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

ohhh

i thought i saw some of you guys saying Ty and Kmart for Zbo and i was like what the fuck they higher than i am right now

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

He's one of the only dudes to average 20-10 the last few years

He is underrated, stats don’t like. I’d never in a million years trade Ty for him, but I’d love to see him on the Nuggets. Pisses me off we never got him via trade when we were building the “Thunggets,” as he would have been the missing piece to the puzzle.

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Wha? Underrated?

He puts up stats, but he doesn’t help your team win. He is Kaman’s twin imo. And he is a cancer too.

by Monkfish on Jan 27, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Who are the "Thunggets"?

Ok, I agree with not shipping out Ty, but how big is Zbo’s contract? I’m sure we would come up with something creative to get him without losing anything super important. Maybe AL??

Trade Melo to Toronto and Start JR!!!!!
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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Mr. Anthony had 7 assists last night

equal to all other starters combined. Yeah he never passes the ball.

by groblix on Jan 27, 2011 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

he is 39 out of 46 sf in the league

so not wonderful but he shows effort.

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

A lot of his assists are hockey assists

Like last night, he’s doubled in the post. Kicks it out to Chauncey at the top of the three point line, then Chauncey swings to the opposite corner from Melo to Afllalo for three.

The way teams double Melo means that it usually takes two passes to get to the open man.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

which is one of those stats that are not captured but should be

its not so much like an assist. its when you have a player that the other team feels they must double. that leave a man open. who is that man and how well did he do because someone else was doubled.

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

i would take okafor too.

kaman is still injured and isnt worth much

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I also like

Just moving JR smith to Dallas for Ian Mahimini and Boubouis. we’d get a sppedy scoring 6th man to replace JR, they’d get a true wing not a guard to help replace some of butlers impact.

plus we’d get mahimini a 7 footer whose young. we dont have any of those. (He is also much much ebtter than petro ever was or will be)

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't get why Melo just doesn't sign the extension

play out this year and next (because we’ll still know we’ll be good) and then if he still doesn’t want to stick around just demand a trade again. I bet Ujiri won’t trade him somewhere he doesn’t want to go because he will have been appriciative of Melo re-signing in the first place, and if for some reason he does, oh well! haha

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 9:45 AM MST reply actions  

He's getting bad advice or the wife is pushing him

I think it’s funny he wants to play w/ a good young point guard. He’s been all over Drose & CP3’s jock this year. Open your eyes MElo you have a good up and coming PG in Lawson combined w/ a finals MVP…..grass isn’t always greener!

"boo that, boo that mothafrrrs"...................good now both of us are pissed!

by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

To hell w/ Chandler and the Knicks

how does he even know what Denver is like???
Nuggs have been contenders for the last 5+ years, Knicks not so much

"boo that, boo that mothafrrrs"...................good now both of us are pissed!

by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep

Plus, he has no leverage/credibility. It’s one thing if Melo refuses to play for you, but a young player like Chandler, that’s a whole different story. We could always ask for Gallo instead. Either way, both of their refusals to play in Denver doesn’t matter. What you do is then find another team who wants to take on Chandler (i.e. the Clips) and trade him for a piece from that team (i.e. Chris Kaman).

Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince

by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

he probably been reading the same bullshit blog comments that are written here

nobody here knows anything about who is demanding what and why. its all made up

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

That's kind of a lame report

Seems like it would have been natural to follow-up with a simple question.

Like, I dunno, WHY don’t you want to go to Denver?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Not the 1st time we've heard this about Chandler

seems very risky to trade for someone who doesn’t want any part of Nuggs IMO

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by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

the knicks wouldnt want to trade chandler anyway so dont worry about it.

your not getting chandler..ur getting gallo, fields and a. randolph..and u know what? Your gonna like it!

by Alleyhoopster on Jan 27, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

It's our Knicks friend!

Posted this for you yesterday, but you didn’t bite. Since you’re back, here it is. And if you have any more secret insights from your FO, please do deign to inform us. Your connections must be way up high in Knicks Valhalla…

=

I thought we’d gotten rid of you the other day, but you’re back for more. Just want to make clear that plenty of us don’t hate the Knicks in the least. Some of us are indifferent, and others, like me, generally root for what’s good for the NBA—and having a more competitive Knicks team is, imho, good for the league. (I’m always for more parity…)

Your assertion that any particular Nuggets fan who doesn’t want to trade Melo to the Knicks holds that opinion due to hatred of the Knicks IS JUST PLAIN ILLOGICAL! Must say, though, that your persecution complex is perfectly understandable (and transparent) due to the fact that, well, you’re a Knicks fan!

Still, I doubt many fans with an ounce of empathy revel in how low your organization has fallen over the past decade. And just when the truly bizarre Thomas era was beginning to recede into nightmarish memory, Walsh had to go and hire Mike Fucking D’Antoni! Off the charts STUPID!!!

With the talent you have, the team won’t ever be in the shitter. And since you’re in the East, you’ll probably make the playoffs even if D’Antoni wakes from his latest stupor and declares defense to be tantamount to the plague. Maybe he already has! But you can’t even come close to winning it all with that guy at the helm.

Now that I’ve gotten all that off my chest, let me get to the point: Nuggets fans don’t particularly want a trade with the Knicks because we think the FO can do better elsewhere. Simple as that. If it has to happen to satisfy Melo, and it’s the very best thing for the organization because it takes care of all the other complications we don’t need to belabor here——it’ll happen.

I hate to break this bad news to such a troubled and fragile soul as you, Alleyhoopster, but ragging on Nuggets fans as a much-loathed troll won’t make it happen for you. Maybe you should take a look at our suggestion the other day to go create your own video game. NBA GM Fantasy Hero will keep you distracted for a while, not to mention out of our hair, though it won’t actually make a shit of difference for your team.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you for venting

So I would not have to

Trade Melo to Toronto and Start JR!!!!!
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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Most welcome

But let’s ignore this guy henceforth, eh? He’s at it again on today’s (Friday’s) threads. It may be too tempting…

by LongWindedHank on Jan 28, 2011 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

If we can't get good young pieces and picks, so be it

I am at the point where I really don’t care if this team doesn’t get anything back and keeps Melo for the season.

We have Nene, Ty, Afflalo, Forbes, JR and Chauncey. That is a solid group of 6 guys who are going to be an excellent group whether or not Carmelo is here. I bet that the FO resigns JR, gets Nene to ink a new one, keeps Afflalo through RFA and has Chauncey come back under a more favorable deal.

With Carmelo and Kenyon’s contracts coming off the books that’s 30m+ in cap room we will have going into a new CBA, not to mention even more than that if we don’t keep any of the players in the above scenario.

The Nuggets are going to be a brand new team next season, no doubt about it, but I’m honestly past the point of mourning the loss of Melo. He’s a one of a kind talent to be sure but I’m not going to shed any more tears over him wanting to dictate the terms of where he’s traded to the detriment of the team today.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 27, 2011 10:15 AM MST reply actions  

+1

it is what it is at this point

my new favorite Nugget is Lawson………..ummmm maybe LawNugg in the future???

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by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Afflalo and Lawson are going to be one of the best SG/PG combos period

Speed, defense, and 3p shooting out of your starting backcourt. What more could you want?

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 27, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I can't help but thinking

of all the up and coming guards that don’t pan out when the team gives them a bigger role. A.I. was moved to make room for A.I. Billups was moved to make room for Stuckey. It happens over and over, and the young guards often aren’t better than the person they replace.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Exactly...

That’s why I’m not adversed to giving up Ty to get us a big man…

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by CombatChuk on Jan 27, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

IMO

you stick w/ AAA & Ty
they are the few young, good assets the Nuggs have
I’d rather get rid of JR & Kmart

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by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Everyone would rather get rid of Kmart

but would anyone give you anything for him? It doesn’t appear likely at this point.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Doesn't really matter.

He’s not going to be eating 15m out of payroll. That’s what matters.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 27, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

hes gonna be eating at big als house

because “al got my money”

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

That is true, but Ty Lawson is not a guard who is unproven

He has produced in excellent numbers as a PG. He has shown that despite his size he can take it to larger, more physical players. He can contribute in limited minutes already and has averaged 11ppg/4apg in just 24 minutes in his second year in the league.

His TS has gone from .587 to .600, his AST% to 26.8% (15th in the NBA and better than Kobe), he shoots 41% from 3 and he is beginning to assume a leadership role.

The Nuggets would be fools to trade him.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 27, 2011 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm excited about Lawson

but let’s not be over the top. People on here write about him as if he is the second coming of Steve Nash. Too early to say that yet. It’s his second season and he is still clearly a number 2 at this point, with upside.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

With you 100% on this TIDBMTID

I love Lawson as a Nug but I wouldn’t pass up a really good big if it meant trading Kmart and Lawson for him.

by Gasus on Jan 27, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Zbo does not fit that bill

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by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Why?

20 and 12 and a rebounding machine? Nugs biggest weakness this year is rebounding and he is one of the best rebounders in the game.

by Gasus on Jan 27, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Mark my words

Ty Lawson will be a future All-Star and top point guard in this league. He’s going to be very similar to CP3 in the way he plays the game, and he will also put up very similar numbers as well. You heard it here first.

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by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

Exactly. I think people are overlooking the talent we have on this team sans Melo, and this is exactly why we should trade Melo while we can for even more young assets.

Think of a team that has:

PG: Chauncey, Ty
SG: Afflalo, JR, Fields
SF: Chandler, Harrington
PF: Anthony Randolph
C: Nene, Birdman

I think that’s a team that can compete with the Utah’s, New Orleans and Portland’s out West, not to mention a team that we could all rally around. I’m sorry, I know Melo’s a great player, but I think we can manage without him, and I think Karl will like to coach a team without a me-first superstar as well.

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by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

The other thing we could do is

Flip Fields and maybe some other players around for a good center. It’s about assets people, it’s about assets! If you don’t have them, you can’t maneuver in this league. Thats why trading Melo while we can, in my opinion is imperative. We get VALUE in return that we can then make whatever we want out if it. If we chose to keep that value, great it should help us win games; if we chose to trade that value, great that will help us wins games; if we chose to trade that value for draft picks, great that will help us win games. Letting Melo walk will not help us win games in the future!!!

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by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

so

you plan on playing the immature (everyone compares him to young JR) Anthony Randolph 38+ mins a night as a starting PF with no back up. that doesnt seem like a winning plan

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

That's certainly an issue that needs to be adressed

We’ve known that for a while now. Randolph might be an answer though, the kids got skills.

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by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Billups is gone if Melo is traded

JR is also likely gone, and they’ll move Bird and Harrington if they can. The lineup you describe might line up for one or two games. Don’t forget, you are advocating starting a guy who can’t even get off the bench in NY.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

seriously?

any roster that has birdman listed as a legit, reliable big is crazytown.

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

He's a great backup PF/C

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by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

i just cant agree with that

his good days are way behind him now anyway so its not even worth having him around. by the end of this season balkman will probably have more playing time.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

don't think I agree

his game is based solely on athleticism and jumping ability. With all his injuries as well as aging, I think he’s becoming pretty useless as an NBA player. I’ll take Shelly and Ely over him these days for sure

by JBnuggs on Jan 27, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

The Nuggets have always had difficulty signing free agents here

but since the Nuggets went through that 12 year abyss in the 90’s and early 00’s it’s been doubly difficult. That won’t change. There’s also a perception that there’s few African Americans in Denver, and the town is too…white. For lack of a better word.

It will get even worse since by now the reports of the NJ salary dump/trade proposal have circulated through the NBA. Now the Nuggets have signaled they are going into a deep, deep rebuild. So it will be doubly difficult to sign free agents.

Thus, the fact of life of being in Denver. Unfortunately, the way the NBA is structured changing the way players are paid won’t help the Nuggets situation.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 10:38 AM MST reply actions  

please say more about this
Unfortunately, the way the NBA is structured changing the way players are paid won’t help the Nuggets situation.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

The NBA is a market/star driven league

that has nothing to do with the amount of pay a player makes. Which is why places like Denver and inevitably OKC will lose star players.

This is partly a owners revenue sharing issue, but it’s mostly on David Stern. That is how he markets the NBA, and until he goes to a more team oriented focus in marketing, places like Denver will remain unattractive. Players think they can’t expand their brand in Denver, and they feel that the glamour of big markets will help that out.

Unfortunately it’s a fact of life. Oh, and before anyone brings up Kevin Durant, he signed essentially the same contract Melo did after his rookie year. Wait till that expires, then we will see what kind of “good guy” KD is.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I meant to say he signed essentailly the same deal Melo did after his rookie "contract" not year

my bad

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

ugh

Yeah, I see what you mean. I would like to think that the new CBA might help the mid & small markets somehow, but it’s depressing to think it might not.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

stuff like this

Makes me wish I liked watching football more than basketball.

Unfortunately, the reverse is true, and so this goes on and on.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Baseball is the answer

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Baseball is market driven too

but the revenue sharing in Baseball allows teams to always make money. Which is both good and bad. It means a team like the Pittsburgh Pirates can constantly put out bad product, have horrible attendance and still make money. Yet at the same time it allows a team like say, the Rockies to keep some players if the owners are willing to spend money.

The NBA’s economic system is all out of whack. In my mind it has much less to do with the Players than it does the way the NBA has set itself up. It’s depressing to think that free agents don’t want to come here because Denver isn’t glamorous and has a small black population … but it’s true.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

re. smaller markets with small black populations

I guess Denver just needs to somehow figure out how to make the best of it. San Antonio is a small market, they got stupidly lucky landing Duncan and have basically put together a winning organization. I hate the way their players flop and play dirty and work the refs, but that franchise knows how to put a good team together and win.

Utah has managed it pretty well too. I’d argue they’ve managed it better than Denver has over the years. They’ve been to the Finals a couple of times, have won more playoff series, and I don’t remember too many long stretches of them being awful.

It’s a big challenge, but the Nuggets really need to improve right up at the top. I keep hoping Josh Kroenke and Ujiri turn out to be geniuses.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually think baseball is the coolest of all team sports

But I barely follow it, because:

1. I think it really loses something when it’s broadcast on TV. A routine grounder to 3rd looks pretty ho-hum to me on the TV screen, but when I’m there at the park, I can’t believe how fast everything happens and how far (and accurately) the 3rd baseman has to throw it;

and

2. The 162-game regular season just overtaxes my attention span. The NBA’s 82-game season is pretty much my absolute limit. I just can’t find any way to get interested in a mid-June game between the Rockies and Padres if I know they’re going to play each other like, 12 more times after that.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

too many games

and the sport is too slow in general.. i get too bored watching gameson tv and sometimes when i attend them if i don’t have a few cocktails in me

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

It's amazing that guys

that take so many performance-enhancing drugs are so damn boring to watch participating in the “activity” known as baseball.

by love4nuggets on Jan 27, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

hahaha

this is so true

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Lookout

Be prepared to be slaughtered. I’ve made the same points on here in the past. Very bloody.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I cannot change those who cannot appreciate the awesomeness that is baseball

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

I seriously do chalk all this up to my own personal shortcomings. I’ll disagree with NastyNessy, I think it’s an absolutely awesome sport. I’m just not up to the investment it takes to follow it on TV.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

never said it was a bad sport

i love baseball, played it for years but if i was to sit down and pick my order of sports to watch it would go NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB like i said a 3 hour game is just way too long and 162 of them? Sheesh. However i find ways to stay involved via fantasy baseball… it’s actually pretty fun and you follow more than just one team.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

not only does baseball suck

it extra sucks on a basketball blog.

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Baseball is good to have on in the background...

and check in on from time to time when you hear the crowd or the announcer get loud.

It gets more compelling if the team you root for is good, too.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

You are part of the 6%

You better hope for a quick resolution on the CBA.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

losing track of who is replying to whom

Am I part of the 6% that likes basketball better than football?

Or am I part of the 6% that hopes the new CBA will benefit smaller market teams?

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Stuff like that

is why I love to watch college ball and hardly ever watch the NBA outside of the Nuggets.

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by Phil H. on Jan 27, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

It isn't a perception that there are few African Americans in Denver

It is a fact. Right around 5%. It was an adjustment for me moving from an area where my high school was almost 50%, and I’m white.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Could be Utah >2%

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by Melonugg on Jan 27, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah, but overall ethnic diversity in Denver is higher than 5%

Plus plenty of clubs, restaurants, shopping, etc. I get into these silly debates with east coast friends and family who have never been west of the Mississippi or have only been to So Cal, Dallas, or Houston. The “bad weather” we get is a common complaint but I could swear the East Coast has had way more snow & consistently the past 3 years in the fall/winter than we have had in Denver.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

It's cold, snowy and dismally gray out east.

Give me big blue skies, mountains and a snowboard any day. It’s t-shirt weather in Boulder, btw. Love this state.

by love4nuggets on Jan 27, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

no doubt

i lived in NY for a year and almost went crazy when I didn’t see the sun for a week once in the winter.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Ethnic diversity in this case doesn't help

Speaking as stereotypically as I can, there is generally “friction” between the black and hispanic communities.

And Denver has the best weather of anywhere I’ve ever lived, including the east coast.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

San Diego would like a word :P

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Never been to Cali

Would have to factor in the traffic when considering it, along with the weather.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

San Diego might have the best weather in the world

Put an NBA team there and they would get all the old vets

by Gasus on Jan 27, 2011 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Funny thing...they had a team and thought LA needed another one...

Poor Clippers :(

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL......

Actually considering the near 3 million people in San Diego, it’s traffic is not terrible. You move, despite volume. Very little gridlock. If it was like LA, I would have probably left years ago.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Might have to consider Hawaii

I’ve only been there a few times, but the weather has just be perfect. Long commute to see anyone from there, though.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Have to do this

it’s= it is
its connotes possession. However, I do agree with you about weather and traffic. What has been the average temp this past week there? Up here towards NorCal has been about 70 with not a single cloud or fog.

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I have bronchitis and dont give a rats' asses about you are thrusty'dss

Just kidding…

I r a colege gradiate and kin spelt gooder then y’all……

but I really do have bronchitis and it really sucks…..

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Between 70-75 everyday

no clouds….not even any Marine layer…..I wouldn’t mind a little overcast at night. I sleep better

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 6:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I do too

Luckily, I move out of the barracks tomorrow and closer to the water into my own apartment!!!! Will be like 1 block from Cannery Row.

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't want to

30 min drive to go to a 4am PT formation

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 7:07 PM MST up reply actions  

You could have simply said Salinas is a hole and Monterey is better.

I’d have agreed. :)

4am. That sounds ridiculous. Thank you for getting up so early for my lazy ass.

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by ruralnugs on Jan 27, 2011 7:08 PM MST up reply actions  

You are very welcome

Waking up that early is the worst part of my job

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 7:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I miss the seasons too....just don't miss having to dig out

of my front door to get to work………

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I've only broken out the snow shovel 3 times this winter

and only one time was a pain in the ass. The other two were like sweeping the kitchen floor.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I've broken out the plow more this year

than all of last year and most the the year before combined.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

You live in Grand Lake?!

Thought you were Denver through and through.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, Grand Lake

Lived in Denver for about 7 years, then in Grand Lake for almost 6. I’m in Denver about once a week for work, though.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Was in Estes long ago and far away

I landed in Estes Park when I left Mississippi when I was 21. (That was WAY too long ago.) I’m two hours northeast of Seattle these days, in the foothills of the North Cascades.

I try to get back to Colorado now and then. (Came for the Lakers game late last season, the one Mr. Bryant sat out.) Still hard to believe I ever left, though Estes isn’t the place to be, needless to say.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

i went to hs in estes

talk about boring in the winter.

beautiful but boring unless u are 65+

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Lots to do here in the winter

Skiing, cross country, snow shoe, snowmobile, ice fishing, tubing, plowing the driveway, getting tromped by hungry moose in your yard.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

not estes

they closed the ski resort due to some no private business in a national park law, plus the valley shape of estes didnt help for the snowfall, they had to produce a lot artificially

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Since I worked in tourist restaurants...

…I loved the quiet Estes winters. Reading, listening to music, drinking, other unmentionable activities…

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I am the Steamboat guy

But not since Christmas vacation…

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for taking all of my snow. I've shoveled about 5 times.

Now I have a garage and I don’t have to scrape both mine and the old lady’s car.

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by ruralnugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:59 PM MST up reply actions  

ironic though that Denver is a town mainly comprised of transplants...

hard to find many people in town if you polled them walking aroung downtown on day to day basis that have been here 10 years or more., let alone 20 +

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I've made three friends here in San Diego

that are actually Cali natives. Every other friend or good acquaintance is a transplant.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep there was always that rare "born in LA" person,

But most of the people I met were from Colorado, which I thought was very strange. A lot from Boulder, too, that I hadn’t know. Very weird

by love4nuggets on Jan 27, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

San Diego is also a big military city

that increases the number of transplants as well

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by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Jan 27, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

True, but I wasn't even including military

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

You better include it!!!!!!

Or else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Hooah!

Go Military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

same here, in the Bay Area

I hardly know anybody who was actually born & raised here.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

my momma was

but she lives in Colorado now haha and moved to Colorado when she was in her teens

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Hi!!!!

Born there, raised in Ventura though. Maybe we could meet up on the 17 or 18th. Will be there to pick up my wife at SFO

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait, your wife? When did you get married?

I thought it was still significant other status? If not, well then congratulations!!!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

No.

Married. She flies up from Peru on the 18th. Haven’t seen her in a year. And I get to go to the airport and wait at the gate as long as I wear my dress uniform.

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice!!! Well that's outstanding.

Good for you both!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Thank you!

Plan to take her to disneyland in March if any other Stiffs want to go. I get great military discounts when I buy 4 or more tix.

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Jeebus my whole family minus Mom who moved and Dad who now

lives in San Diego. Each have a couple of siblings and they’ve never left either Marin/Sonoma or Santa Cruz/Watsonville area. Apparently we could have owned Watsonville but some family problems ruined that. Mainly drinking and the fact that my family is bat shit insane.

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by ruralnugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Denver Metro is a young area in terms of age demographic

Which should make it that more attractive for those under 40, plus there are so many young families with children, good schools relative to bigger cities, and a good quality of life. I remember talking to a lot of out of towners who came in for the NBA All-Star Weekend in ’05, they loved it here.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

For sure.

I have this friend whos family is very wealthy and his sister was living in boulder and looking for a good private school for her daughter. There aren’t really any because the public schools are so good it takes away the demand for them, so she decided to move her family to the bay area just so their kid could go to private school. I thought that was ridiculous.

by love4nuggets on Jan 27, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

That's just being snobby.

And looking for a reason to SF

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Schools

I moved here with friends from college. One friends is an elementary school teacher. Denver City schools were terrible and had terrible budgets. She had to supply her own paper to make copies. She would come home crying with terrible stories. She now teaches in Virginia and has much better facilities and budget.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

She can

doesn’t live near D.C., so housing is affordable. D.C. is insane. My brother has a house similar to one I used to have in Denver. I sold mine in Denver for $290. His is appraised for taxes at $1 million, though he bought 20 years ago.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

East Coast property values are crazy high no doubt

my in-laws house in Long Island is worth like $750K plus, even though small and was built in the 50’s, but they pay $1K/month in property tax.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Do your stats include Denver suburbs or just Denver proper

Aurora has a large AA community too.

5 % seems low given the numbers of AA students at Manual, GW, Montbello and East. And even if it is only 5%, 5% of 600,000 is still 30,000, which is a good sized demographic.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

No doubt

Littleton, where Melo lives is Tancredo country.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

yes, that has got to be true

Cherry Hills, Parker, Littleton (SW), Evergreen/Golden, for sure…

Funny though, its not like all Knicks/Nets/Philly/Chicago/LA players live downtown, they live in the wealthy suburbs which are not that diverse either..

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

And, for those too lazy to click Throw's link

the 5 % figure is Denver Metro, and the AA population within Denver city limits is 11%.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

What I like about Metro Denver more than San Diego

is that it is very integrated…

Meaning AA and whites actually live very well together in mixed communities. You see many mixed couples etc. San Diego has a large AA, obviously Latino, and Asian communities. But they live in very separate communities. It’s weird. That’s one thing I dislike about San Diego.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

*and Latino in Denver. sheesh

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes and no

North Park Hill and North City Park are pretty AA, while SW and W Denver is almost all Hispanic or Vietnamese.

There are plenty of mixed neighborhoods, and Denver had a succesful model for bussing in the 80s (when I went to Manual/East). But that has eroded….

I lived in Cincinnati for a while, which had horrible race relations. Alfred Williams says Cincinnati is the worst city he’s ever lived in as a black man, and I believe it from my time there.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

must be because its so close to Kentucky

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

heard the same about Cincy....hasn't changed much

A high school friend of mine that lives there now says its bad, and we grew up in Golden (JR high and HS) and I was one of a handful of “minority” students (not Black or Hispanic)

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

For a white student like me...

Nothing like Skyline Chili for the drunk munchies. Good place to meet your future wife.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Just don't go to White Castle

I was in Cincy for work a few years ago. Made the mistake of getting sliders from White Castle. Won’t do that again. I lived in Ohio for a few years in the mid-80’s and Cincy is much better economically now than then.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate this excuse

Seriously. What cities, other than maybe Chicago and NY are going to have a huge AA population? You’ve got 32 teams in this league (I think) and about 28 of them all have fairly normal to small AA populations. I just can’t stand the fact that race would be the reason someone would want to leave a good place, and I honestly think that’s part of the situation with Melo. I mean, Denver is not THAT bad either. It’s average. There’s still plenty of black people in Denver, and in CO. It’s not any different than Minnesota, Sacramento, Indiana, Miami, and on and on down the line. Ugh, whatever.

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by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Try

DC, Detroit, Cleveland, LA. and anywhere in the south like Memphis, N.O. Atlanta Charlotte Orlando, Miami, Dallas, Houston.

Oh, and there are 30 teams.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, you're probably right

I guess I just think it’s a lame excuse, but that’s just me.

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by GoldenNugget on Jan 27, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Imagine

growing up in Baltimore that is 63% black, and moving somewhere that is 5%. Not calling Denver racist or bad, because it is not, but that is a significant adjustment. It’s like you moving from Denver to Alabama.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

According to the 2006-2008 American Community Survey, the racial composition of Baltimore was as follows:

    * Black or African American: 63.4%
    * White: 31.9% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 30.6%)
    * Native American: 0.2%
    * Asian: 1.9%
    * Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: <0.1%
    * Some other race: 0.9%
    * Two or more races: 1.6%
    * Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 2.6%

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I had a talk with someone about this

I mean most people in Colorado (not Denver) don’t like the Nuggets, because they think the Nuggets are “thugs.” Of course, the thug image is there because of the tatoos, but imagine if we had Dirk Nowitzki instead of Melo…I don’t think as many Coloradoans would dislike the Nuggets.
They like the Broncos because the main guy on the Broncos (QB) tends to be a white guy such as John Elway or now Tim Tebow.
I think race is a huge factor to why Melo wants to leave. At least in NY, even if the team loses, there is a huge black and Puerto Rican population and Melo can think he is representing those folks instead of mountain dwelling white hippies.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 27, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

it's pretty true about denver

but i don’t think race factors into Melo’s wishes. It’s really about being “home” and in the “spotlight” more than anything about being surrounded by black people.

by skithebert on Jan 27, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

It's like that everywhere...

…where the suburbanites overglorify the white superstar.

Floyd Little, Ralph Simpson and Billy Thompson were Denver’s superstars when I was very young. And there’s been plenty of love for black athletes since in Denver.

If Melo uses race as a reason to leave, it’s a cop-out IMO

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

So tired of this crap.

I wish the NBA would make up their minds already. Quit waffling between “we’re going to start punishing for this” and “well, it’s a legitimate basketball tactic”

Either sanction it or don’t.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 27, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL

Ginobili even extended his arm. Oh. My. God.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

That is fucking ridiculous

Make a montage (sp?) of Ginobili and post it on Youtube. You could litterally make and hour long video of bad calls by the referees featuring Manu Ginobili.

by Gasus on Jan 27, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

The end of that video

where he has a cut on his nose, I swear they taped a panty liner on his face.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I think so

I like how they show JR inbounding off of his face, I will always remember watching that one, my stomach started hurting after that I was laughing so hard

by JBnuggs on Jan 27, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Someone need to make a serious one with good analysis of the calls

Seriously, an hour of tape could be made of bad calls by referees on Manu Ginobili fake fouls.

by Gasus on Jan 27, 2011 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

two floppers for the price of one.

where amazing happens

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

that shit's just embarassing for both guys. wow.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Ooh, this one is tough.

Who has the better flop?

Bell had Ginobili’s hand coming at him and was able to make it look like he was shoved down with his flop. Manu, on the other hand, seems to bounce off of a body moving in the other direction and somehow bounces backwards. His left hand and left foot flying up in the air oversell the flop and really draw one’s attention to the INSANE IMPACT that Bell had on him, as noted, while flying in the opposite direction.

The winner for most convincing flop is: Bell.

by Ferris_ on Jan 27, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

The NBA has to start punishing Ginobili for his flops

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

180 you mean

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Divine Intervention

I saw it live (TV) and thought God was separating them. I mean, it was clearly an immovable force that pushed each of them in opposite directions, right?

In all seriousness, somebody needs to have a little talk with Ginobili in a dark, secluded alley somewhere.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

We can get Army of Nugs to do it

He probably speaks Ginobli’s native language: Flopperish

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Loved the IFD

As Ross Perot used to say, that’s HIGH-LARIOUS!

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't speak that

But I do speak pain. And the Argentinian version of the Spanish language. It’s almost like he learned flopping from the way people in Argentina learned real Spanish. I may be on to something here guys.

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Also...

The other funny thing is that you can almost see Manu thinking about whether to flop or not — and then he just decides to go for it — unfortunately for him, at that point Bell is almost parallel to the floor.

by Ferris_ on Jan 27, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

OMG that made me laugh....

Thank you I needed that laugh.

I be a sick gal today :(

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

can't rely on the refs to "punish" anyone...

The best to expect is to make it a no call if its an obvious flop attempt, and if it cost either team a made basket or possesion to decide a game then the players will stop doing it, but as long as it is coached and rewarded enough to use as a tactic. then we are stuck with it. Just like the “make up” call.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm no physics major, but....

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by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I think it was more of a percussive device

or a flop-bomb

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

no hand grenade all the way

camein from the 14th row of section 124

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

win

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

No,

I threw the grenade. Hoping to take out both, yet they both somehow appeared unscathed. Time to use stronger tactics next time.

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

you are going

to have to explain this one to me sir

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

^5

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

ah i see

San Antonio must carry a lot of those… no wonder they are in first. can you get those at any local wal mart?

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Well they are near The Alamo

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

too far

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Improvised Flopping Device

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

gracias amiga

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

good eye

sniper

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

in the "take any kind of good news, any way we can get it" dept

The Nugs accounted for 2 of Sportscenter’s Top 10 Plays last night. JR’s fast break dunk was around #7 or #6 maybe, and Chauncey flinging the ball over his shoulder from way beyond the 3-point line for a swish was like, #4 or #3.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 27, 2011 11:25 AM MST reply actions  

shit was so tight

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Shelden Williams and Ely

I hope Coach Karl was paying attention last night to know that he can use these guys more often than he does, especially when they are in situations when the starters or second team are getting killed on the boards or they big are getting dominated. At the bare minimum they are worth at least 12 fouls to stop the momentum of the opposing team to go “Thuggets” on them, eh?. Did Shelden even play against the Lakers?? Both of these guys are better options than Birdman (more like “Comic Book”) even when healthy.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 11:34 AM MST reply actions  

karl's PT of shelden pisses me off

TEAM get rid of MELO ASAP!

let's go nuggets! who u wit?
Ty, JR, AAA, Nene!

by 808inDenver on Jan 27, 2011 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

You have to admit

that on a typical night Shelden couldn’t get the ball through the hoop if he was just above it. I like the guy, but maybe he needs to see an optometrist about his depth perception.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 27, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe

we could just dress his wife up reverse juwana man style

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

moreso we need his rebounding and defense

TEAM get rid of MELO ASAP!

let's go nuggets! who u wit?
Ty, JR, AAA, Nene!

by 808inDenver on Jan 27, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

his stats are not bad though, just needs more PT, and goggles..lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4133

He doesn’t turn the ball over much, and could get you 10 boards/gm if he avg. over 20 min, we don’t need him to score but he can, plus he shoots over 72% FTs.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Williams ia not bad if you are looking at him as a 4th man off the bench

can give you defense and put in the basket sometimes.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

"not even the best player in his own house"

You gotta love that, even if it doesn’t really apply to the man’s status as an NBA player.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

sheldon shore

but Melvin is flat out turribal i am sorry

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Ely is better than Petro, or Tacos Allen

He is an improvement, plus he should use those fouls.

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this

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

no no no

Ely is not better than Frenchie… however ge is maybe a little better than Tacos. Ely is just not a very good basketball player lol

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

the Miami Heat game will disagree with you.

"We'll move the Earth for A Title"

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

Yea, that is Bruce Lee in my picture.

by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

true

and how about the Laker game?

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

well Malik Allen would of done worse... so Ely is not just a little better.

Malik Allen is the worst basketball player in the league.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I can agree with that

With Melvin Ely on his tail. Look i don’t mean to bash on Ely he just has no idea where he needs to be positioned when he’s out there, we are lucky if he makes half his lay ups and he essentially has no reliable range. I mean there’s a reason why he’s had such a hard time making teams in teh past. Unfortunately in my eyes he’s on the same path but hey, that’s just me.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

we should try to get Iggy and Gallo

then have the Knicks send the Sixers Curry’s expiring and Chandler. Iggy could play SF.. he is 6’7.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 11:47 AM MST reply actions  

meh

i’d rather chase Gerald Wallace

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

boom

goes the dynomite… (i agree)

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

though Wallace is getting old

I think he was born in 82… he would be a better replacement for Melo than Iggy. However I would rather get Iggy and Fields (and possibly Randolph or a first round pick.. most likely Randolph though) over Gallo, Chandler and Randolph.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

he's that old?

I think Wallace is like 32 maybe andc that’s not too bad for a SF. In all if i were to make a deal with NY and bring Char in it I would like to wind up with Wallace, Randolph like you said as well as Walker or Fields.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

walker?

The 76ers are looking for expirings and want to deal Iggy. Iggy is pretty good defensively like Wallace and is the same age as Melo.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 27, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

see i read

Philly wants to hold onto Iggy and Brand b/c they are 7th in the East right now. And yes Bill Walker. He can ball

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

IMO Deng>Wallace

Why go after the 28yo slumping guy, when we can get the 26yo deng, who is a better outside shooter than Wallace.

by Monkfish on Jan 27, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Crazy

We could always pull the Lebron Move.

Kenyon for Antwan (if keeping melo) It’d be stupid but it wouldnt be as bad as the Cle move because next season( if Melo left in offseason). Jamison would be expiring so he’d be easier to flip.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:35 PM MST reply actions  

We could always pull the Lebron Move

You mean everyone on the team is allowed to travel, so long as it is the crab dribble?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 4:31 PM MST up reply actions  

thas been in my repertoire since high skool

dont see wut tha big deal is.

i dont kare if my wurds are spelt wrong.

by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Dalembert

is disgruntled. might be a chance we could snag him.

Although he is expiring so Sac may just keep him to get the cap relief. dont really see why they’d trade him for kenyon unless they wanted a power forward to pair with cousins,they have landry though.

They may be more interested in JR

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:39 PM MST reply actions  

christ

Do not, and i repeat DO NOT trade Jr Smith for Sam Dalembert. This is asinine

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

still pisses me off that they couldn’t trade Kleiza for Artest 4 yrs ago…Linas was too “valuable”, I think they wanted JR also, which may have killed the deal.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

not only that

but LK for David Lee could have been done. Just nonesense but it is what it is.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

yea

that was ridiculous. freaking a tweener in kleiza for a pf that got 20-10. Nugs FO can be ridiculous sometimes

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

in all honesty though

they would have has Lee for a year or two and then would have lost him in FA due to the fact they had no money to spend unless they didn’t give Birdman his contract or AL his

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

if they had lee

they wouldnt have given Al a contract

 and possible wouldnt have given bird such a long extension either

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

true

but i don’t think they had the cap space to give Lee the deal that he got unless it was a sign and trade

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

i wish they would have let Bird try to get another offer first

to see what the market was willing to do…..he has no strikes left in regard to the drug deal, why would anyone else take a long term risk?

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

he was a hot

player at the time tops in the league in blocks. i wouldnt have given him such a long contract but at the time i would have given him that yearly amount but for 3 years

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Or Dallas wants JR

We could do Ian Mahimini, Roddy Beaubois (although they love him might be hard to pry away), and Deshawn stevenson(expiring to make numbers work) for JR smith.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:51 PM MST reply actions  

why?

None of those players fill a need that Denver needs. The only player that is worth anything is Beaubois and he’s a PG just like TY. Don’t just trade JR for the sake of trading him. Many people don’t understand that JR is a fan favorite. When he makes top plays twice a night every night that is not something you want to just throw away for a ham sandwich and capri sun.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

why?

cause i highly doubt we resign JR Smith for 8+ mil a year, he is making 6.5 now and will want a raise.

ANd because Mahimini is a 7 footer with potential something we haven’t had in a long time. plus roddy would be able to fill our 6th man scorer off the bench role.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

6th man role

that would be vacated by JR being moved

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

JR isn't going to get a pay raise

his ppg is down and hasn’t done anything to earn a pay raise. Massai said he wants JR here and JR said he wants to be here. Lets reward our loyal players and focus on the ones that don’t wanna be here shall we?

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

if Melo

leaves, very likely either now or offseason. JR will be featured. He will want a raise.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

gotta earn it

just because yo uthink you are going to be the top dog doesn’t mean you get paid it… you gotta earn that and 15 ppg won’t earn him any more than he has now

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

if Toutlaw

got 7 for 5 years, you dont think someone will outbid that for JR smith?

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

if he wants to stay in Denver

like he says he does then he’ll sign in Denver. DOn’t just trade him to trade him

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

come on

everything we’ve seen about JR smith and you think he turns down money. that seems awesome, but highly unrealistic

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

hey

im just saying i’d hold onto JR

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

jrs player efficiency rating is currently higher than it was this time last season.

i think that deserves a raise. give him some of kmarts money.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

when mahimini

gets 20 mins he puts up decent numebers.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

if we are trading JR for anyone, it should be a big

Brendan Haywood? Salaries match up…but he still has years. If the Lakers game reminded us of anything, we need bigs.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 12:57 PM MST reply actions  

yea

its the 5 years left that scares me. He isnt even a starter now let alone if 4 years from now

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

alright

guys this is getting as ridiculous as when people were saying JR for Gortat. I’m going to stop responding b/c you fellas are giving me a head ache. DON"T TRADE JR SMITH.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

He is the only

asset we have. we have to do something. Status quo isnt working.
\
I love JR as a player but i dont want to pay JR smith 8+ mil for multiple years on a rebuilding squad.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

of course not

but unless you’re getting me into the lottery or he is part of a bigger deal that lands us a future all star to stay then i don’t wanna hear any of this jr for haywood, thabeet, gortat any of teh mediocre 7 footers. You don’t trade an “asset” like you said just so your roster shows you havea 7 footer.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

but you do

trade an asset for something before you lsoe him for nothing

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

if JR leaves for some bogus contract

then i will come back and eat all the crow in the world but fact of the matter is no Team is going to overpay for JR. I think Denver will be able to resign JR and AAA for decent money

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Dallas would

Cuban loves to throw money around and needs some athletism cause Marion is older and butler is done (they could resign him i guess will be interesting to see in the offseason what his market is like)

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

if dallas

wants to overpay for a 6th man and strap their salary cap even more than it already is, by all means let em do it

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

but then

we lose JR for nothing.

We might as well trade him and get something then lose for nothing

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

not for a piece of shit center

that will never be anything. We already have that in Ely

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

ely's old

at least mahimini is young and has potential and cheap

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

my personal opinion

I’ll pass

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

do any of them

bring the excitment, fan support or electric spark Jr brings? I don’t think so

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

false

I don’t agree with that at all. And i’m not even arguing JR’s three point shooting im arguing his highlight reel dunks which lands him on top plays almost as much as Blake Griffin and the other things he brings to the franchise. Up here at CSU i know several fans alone who go to games just to watch JR Smith play and i’m going to guess that’s with a few more people as well. He’s just fun to watch.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

no i'm really not at all

The dude is signed as a YoungMoney athlete in which brings rap and hip hop followers to the game. If you don’t believe me my friend talks on a YoungMoney blog site much like this and has gone to games just to see JR because he is signed by YoungMoney. I have seen Lil Wayne at games to watch JR and I have seen as many JR jerseys at the games than any other jersey besides Melo.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

and kmart is always in dime magazine but that doesnt make me want to watch him

i like jrs defense this year. i agree i dont want to trade him but for different reasons than you.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

i'm just trying to make a point

that JR Brings a little more to the table than what people think. And you can’t compare Kmart and JR… come on now.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

just giving you a tough time

im a smitty fan from day one

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

it's hard fighting off

these JR for Gortat or Haywood BS trade scenarios and all that. But I will do it til JR retires because he’s my favorite player.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

he is not my favorite but he does bring a certain something

if denver trades him it will be a big loss.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

they are

either going to trade him
lose him for nothing
or overpay him.

those are the only choices

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

i will be disgusted

unless it truely helps the team

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I say we apply knicks logic

We should clearly be able to trade J.R. and a couple of second round picks for Dwight Howard. What possible reason would orlando have for turning that down?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

smitty is taking his talents

to north beach

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

next up is he'll sleep

with Melo’s mom =O

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

man

it must be great to live in fantasy Knick land huh TIDBMTID?

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

yea Really?

Really?? what the hell is orlando thinking

JR Smith Renaldo Balkman, and Anthony Carter is a steal.

They are so stupid for rejecting that.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

cause he does more in 24 mins

then any of the crap players you are trying to trade away do in 30+ mins

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions  

really?

above Wall huh?

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

this doesn't really matter

because i tend to disagree with everything Hollinger says including his stupid formulas

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

stats do mean everything

or just about everything.

defense can be quantified in part by rebounding and blocked shots, so an team work and smart passing in the forms of assists. if you really think scouts pick a player because of a gut feeling you are mistaken.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

bowen also had decent stats

if you want to make a case against hollingers per rating thats fine but you cant also say that game where bowen really defended the hell out of lebron makes him one of the greats of the nba.
he was a quality journeyman who did his job. thanks for making the point of why smitty is a great 6th man.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

yes, stats are everything

its just that some stats are harder to qualify than others. i lot of people have a problem when dirk nowitzki has a higher per than kobe. the first reaction is well kobe has championship rings and dirk does not so how can he have a higher score. but the per formula does not calculate in how many rings you have because that is not an individual game affecting stat.

this box is too small to go on but just remember, just because a stat is not captured doesnt mean it is not valid. for example, some players have better luck at the turn around jumper than others, why is this? is it because they can palm the ball or some other reason. or if being boo’d during a game affected the player in a negative or positive way. how to measure that we dont know yet.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

i remember

a lot of secondary players look decent in D’antoni’s offense. benefit of the system

JR could average 23 a night under D’antoni

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

reverse that

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

eh

I think JR would fall under a free lancing coach. JR needs a ego strong minded coach like GK or Pop or Phil Jackson to truely succeed

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

answer

he is a bench player and that is his job. its called a spark player.

if you look at jason terry, he was better suited to be a bench player. now that he is averaging 32 a game his efficiency rating is lower than smittys.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

you are trying to bring psychology

to a math argument. might as well compare apples to bananas. yes they are fruit, so what.

jr has started and did a damn good job at it. aaa is a better starter, the end. put jr on a different team and depending on who he has to compete with he may end up being a starter.

it does not help that our coach doesnt respect jr but that is for non basketball reasons so again, apples to bananas.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

i disagree man

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Cuz we are loaded at the guard position

And he finds ways to piss our coach off.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Nessy,

Do everyone a favor and don’t feed the troll. You will regret it. He’s made a special screen name just so he can be an extra bad troll.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

You're right

I know it wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll ignore him henceforth.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

oh man

i thought i was going to be able to have a nice basketball debate with someone =(

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

we keep holding on to "assets"

until their contracts are about to run out, like with Kleiza and now JR. Decide whether or not you want to keep them or not, stop waffling, turning down decent offers, etc. or letting your Coach further degrade the player value with his media comments facial expressions, etc.. Commit or move on.

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Anybody have ESPN insider

Chad ford has an article about players most likely to be traded. Any of interest to the nugs?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 1:10 PM MST reply actions  

i wouldn't read

into much of what Chad Ford has to say

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

10 players

Jamo
Miller
Prince
A Randolph
Z Randolph
Mo Will
D Harris
R Lewis
Granger
Nash

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Why does Memphis trade Randolph?

Those guys should push Portland from the playoff race. They won’t without Z-Bo.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

cause

he is expiring and they have no plans to resign

so they’d rather get something then nothing.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Sounds familiar

It’s also familiar that I’m not sure they’re right.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Can you actually read?

Nobody’s suggesting here that we want Randolph. Just wondering about Memphis.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

you know

if you hit the tab button you have a lot more room to write comments right? It makes it a bit easier to read what you’re trying to say.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 27, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

He certainly needs the help with posting

but we can’t give him the help he truly needs.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

and

what does a date with San Antonio or LA get them. A 1st rd exit.

by nsink on Jan 27, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Playoff experience?

But if they’re blowing up the team, yeah, it gets them nothing.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 27, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Ujiri and Josh Kroenke

Can’t believe Ujiri would get “Boshed” twice by letting Melo go for nothing – those fans that think he’s going to sign with Denver are very disillusioned. He already told management he’s not going to sign with them – best we can do in the playoffs is 2nd Round of W Conference – then we lose to either Lakers or Spurs.

I was afraid this road trip against these lousy teams would give people “false hope” and there would be this talk of keeping Carmelo with the hope of winning a title. If I trusted the FO I would be cheering for as many victories as possible but since they have not communicated with the fans, I don’t trust their judgment and the NJ fiasco reinforced that feeling.

by jjbugs on Jan 27, 2011 2:10 PM MST reply actions  

there is hope

what if la dropped to third place in the conference. a second round wit san vs la, and den vs dal would be satisfactory. the winner of den vs dal would play a beat up team.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

thats why i say its not impossible

right, look at our road record earlier this season, you would say oh hell, im goinna turn the radio off for thenext week because we have 5 coming up.
but then look so far we are 2 of 2 out of 5 so more of that nba where amazing happens shit is comin up.
anyway, based on past experiences i think the lakers just get better as the playoffs go on so i would eaither want to play them in the first round or after someone like san antonio beat on them for 7 games.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

hahahahha

Well played

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by CombatChuk on Jan 27, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

i only like parts of the east coast

i like manhattan a lot but i worked in ct for years and just hate that place. its so freaking desolate and the food is utter crapola. i bet tom brady has to get chipotle trucked in so he doesnt starve to death.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I will always say

No matter how bad Denver sports are/get, at least I live in the most beautiful state in the nation

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 27, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope. As I tell all my Californian relatives it sucks here and is always cold.

I definitely didn’t wear shorts today. Not at all it was too cold.

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by ruralnugs on Jan 27, 2011 6:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Well....can't see the Nuggets doing anything with OJ Mayo

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 3:11 PM MST reply actions  

more
His violation of the program involved a positive test for dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). Suspension will start tomorrow night against 76ers.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Gesundheit

Does anyone know that that stuff is for?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

it has been used as an anti depressant

it was thought to be effective in strength building but after a indepth study it was proven to be uneffective. so he is extra stupid for taking a banned substance that doesnt even help.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you might be thinking of DMAE

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 8:40 PM MST up reply actions  

and more
For those wondering, DHEA is a steroid. It is the same substance that led to Rashard Lewis’ ten game suspension last season.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jan 27, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

So, Cleveland has lost 18 in a row....

There’s no way we lose the next game, right?

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 3:49 PM MST reply actions  

Meanwhile

Cleveland is looking at Denver’s road record and thinking, “This is one we should win.”

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 27, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

If I were Karl, I would say ...

…“do you really want to be the team that breaks Cleveland’s losing streak?”

Denver first.

by margabelle on Jan 27, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

i was worried about that when we played them a couple weeks ago

you know, nuggs being nuggs and all it was a possibility. but watching that game man it was so pitiful i just felt sorry for cleveland. a guy next to me started to boo them at the free throw line and his friend was like dude, let him make it, its cleveland.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Too bad b/c Karl would actually say....

“I think I need to punish JR some more for missing the bus the other day, and I need to experiment with a 7-8 man rotation, no matter what happens in the game”

by jd80229 on Jan 27, 2011 4:44 PM MST reply actions  

Melo made the All-Star game. Yao starting so Nene will probably be a reserve

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by VicTor W on Jan 27, 2011 5:14 PM MST reply actions  

yay

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

talk is that yao wants to give the nba one more year so he will have another surgery soon

i dont think he can play the snore-star game anyway.
maybe greg oden can take his place.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 27, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

he’s at third behind bynum i think

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by Kevin L on Jan 27, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

doesnt matter

the coach will get to pick Yao’s replacement. He can pick Nene even if Bynum has more votes.

by nsink on Jan 28, 2011 7:32 AM MST up reply actions  

So Yao will just sit in a chair under the basket with a sign saying "yes fans, you voted this you uneducated fools"

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by Phil H. on Jan 27, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Carmelo Anthony
Thanks to everyone who voted for me to be a starter in the all star game. Much love

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by VicTor W on Jan 27, 2011 5:51 PM MST reply actions  

You're welcome

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 5:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Wild guess

650,000 times?

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by Phil H. on Jan 27, 2011 6:15 PM MST up reply actions  

not quite

639,999

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 6:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Hang your head in shame

I expected better

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by Phil H. on Jan 27, 2011 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude

I know I beat your votes

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by SDcat09 on Jan 27, 2011 6:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

I don’t even try to outvote the stupidity of a great number of NBA viewers(not you of course, the YAOZ AND HAYWORDZ!!! people)

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by Phil H. on Jan 27, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Nene better get the nod

He’s by far the best C in the west this year

by JBnuggs on Jan 27, 2011 6:21 PM MST reply actions  

if

you really wanna call duncan and gasol PF’s. Although Gasol manned the C while Bynum was away.

They should change the format to Point, Wing, and Big.

by nsink on Jan 28, 2011 7:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Fields Was on FIRE Last Night

And, TNT and Spike Lee were in love with him. Yesterday’s Heat game was almost a Valentines Day gift to Knicks. The League and the Media are all deperate for Melo to be a Knick so New York is a basketball city again.

I still think Chandler, Fields and Randolph is a nice consolation prize for Melo.

by ACEIII on Jan 28, 2011 7:57 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

No doubt. He would be a nice, young building block.

And, Chandler ain’t resigning with the Knicks, not if they give Melo 22 million to play SF. With a hard cap, Knicks will be pretty capped out with the Melo and Amare deals.

by ACEIII on Jan 28, 2011 1:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Fields has value

Swing him to Sacremento for Jason Thompson…

With AAA and Forbes already on the team, we’re stacked at Guard.

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by CombatChuk on Jan 28, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

put him in pf

hes a rebounding fool anyway. he can be kmarts replacement.

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by Over-and-back on Jan 28, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

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