three team trade idea involving Knicks
by CloudBurst on Jan 1, 2011 10:19 AM MST
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BOOM, we get Marc Gasol, Wilson Chandler, and Currys expiring contract we can dump and get rid of him at seasons end, Memphis gets 2 very nice wings with upswing in Fields and Gallo, and Knicks get Melo and Balkman. Throw in some draft picks and you got yourself a trade.
Anyone on board with this trade? Chandler gives us a pretty good 3rd option at SF, we get our big guy Gasol to pair the front court with Nene and we save money at seasons end by getting rid of the fat and inept Curry. Lawson, JR/AAA Chandler, Nene, Gasol.. I like the ring of that!
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I would love this trade
But why does Memphis do it it? Thabeet has been a bust, so sending Gasol leaves them without a center.
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ny says no
after wilson chandler beasted on the spurs, gm donnie walsh said he will sign chill wil to a long term knicks contract. so now you only left with gallo, fields, ar. do the nugs make any deal with a trade centered on gallo? you never know.. but doubtful.
nugs may have over-played their hand waiting too long, allowing wilson time to up his game and gut melo’s trade value.
by cheers from manhattan on Jan 6, 2011 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
Gasol and Chandler both come off the books after this year
So, why not just keep Melo if that’s the case? I’d rather have him through the year than these two.
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to secure them while we can
I have been doing some research on other blogs, and it seems like other fans of other teams have Marc Gasol crushes as well, Warriors fans are itching to get some Gasol and so are other teams without a decent center AKA most teams in need of a solid starting big man. By doing this trade we secure Gasol and sign him to a nice contract next year as well as Chandler. This way we get something from Melo and we know for sure we are getting Gasol instead of playing the bidding war with other teams. Basically Memphis does this because they know they it would be very hard to match most offers from most teams that will bid for Gasol because they are already on the books with Randolph and Gay and Memphis isn’t going anywhere with the core they got now unless they make some sacrifices.
Basically we do this to get Gasol before any team we can while we have leverage (a very unhappy Melo) and a solid replacement at SF and a contract dump (Curry) so we can still spend some money and get another good free agent next year to get who knows but it would give us a hell of a bunch of depth to have AAA, JR, Gasol, Nene, Lawson and Harrington coming off the bench. We would be back at the 50 win a season pace for a few years.
But the thing is
He’ll be a free agent even after we trade for him, so what happens if another team offers more than what we do, and he just signs there? We would have then only got half a year out of him and basically nothing for the Melo trade. I’m saying, why not just keep Melo in this case. It’s just too risky, we need something mroe guaranteed if we’re gonna trade Melo.
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I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
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True but
it would be much easier to match other peoples offers than just throwing out an offer at Memphis this off season and hope they don’t match it, plus with Curry’s contract expiring, we would easily have enough money to match anyones offer. Chandler might be harder to grasp for a few more years but I think the 5 picks and Favors idea is overrated… because FIRST, there is slim pickings in next years draft and even if we had five and traded down to get the number one pick, we wouldn’t get ourselves the next Blake Griff unless I am mistaken and there is someone out there worth taking but what is the point in having 5 Petros on our roster and a gamble in Favors who quite honestly has pretty poor basketball I.Q and I don’t think even he knows what kind of player he is. Is he a 6’10 big bad defensive mofo center like Dwight? Is he the all around PF (offensively) like Amare? Maybe he is just a 10-10 kind of guy like Dampier, hell maybe he is the next Kevin Durant, or the next Michael Olowokandi. Gasol and Chandler are young and PROVEN to be able to play at this level. I am just saying our chances of keeping Gasol for years to come are higher if WE are the ones matching offers, not us matching THEIR offer.
I'm an idiot
Ok, I totally see what you’re saying now. Baby Gasol is restricted (I’m assuming) so you’re saying whatever anybody offers we would then be able to match. I mean, yeah, I guess that is a pretty good deal then. But honestly I’d still go the Favors route because Baby Gasol hasn’t impressed me that much this season. I thought he was gonna take that next step and he’s regressed – not a good sign. Favors I feel has much more potential and as I mentioned in my recent fanpost is being overlooked because he’s so young still.
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Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of Denver Stiffs.
I got people nicknaming their kids after me.
I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!
honestly I think Favors has a Pau Gasol type ceiling
He seems slow off the ball, his PER is 13.4 as opposed to Marc Gasols 17.0 PER, Marc also is ranked 50th in efficiency in the league, I couldn’t find Favors whatsoever. Not to mention I think Mcgee (who some Stiffs would rather have over Gasol) is a complete headcase who has poor basketball I.Q and is barley putting up better stats in Washington in his 3rd year DESPITE playing 11 minutes more per game. Gasol is regressing in certain areas of his game like rebounds but when you are playing with a stat hog like Zach Randolph who will chase his own teammates for rebounds, what can you do? He is still playing pretty consistent, 11-7 and his FT% is rising, I don’t think he is Okaforing, he is still playing well and his on man defense is better than his first 2 years in the league despite some let ups to guys like Cousins and Nene from games past.
Why is Favors not getting minutes on a tanking Nets squad? Basketball ain’t football, usually players are bust or pro by their 3rd year.
Favors stats
The first one is his box score from last night, the 2nd one is his season and career stats in the NBA.
I'm sure a Nets fan could answer better
But there’s a few reasons Favors isn’t getting big minutes. First off, he is raw. Everyone knew that coming out so that’s no surprise. He’s actually further along than I first expected coming out but he still needs to work on positioning, rotations, etc. Secondly, his foul rate is exceedingly high. Once again, a rookie big man fouling at a high rate is no shock, it happens to most of them. Third, I think Avery is just hesitant to play a rookie. From my recollection, he didn’t like playing them in Dallas either.
Nets Daily Fans don't seem so impressed by him
as Favors is regressing, as MM showed right above you apparently, I also watched quite a few pre-draft interviews of him and he compares his game a lot to the one and only Amar’e, Mr. Stat. It seems Favors thinks he plays exactly like him and wants to aspire to play like him rather than bulk up more and become a Dwight Howard kind of guy. Great, Stat is a very good offensive player and underrated defender, but Amar’e was drafted 9th overall and had lower expectations than Favors yet Amar’e averaged 13-9 in his first year in the NBA for a dismal (at the time) Suns squad. So, Favors is averaging 6 points and 5 rebounds, and a bigger concern to me is his block percentages, for a guy touted as a very athletic and “raw” player, he should be averaging Birdman block numbers, I am not impressed with 0.5 per game at all. Everyone was calling Amar’e a “raw” player coming in, but he still was able to make the most of his raw abilities in his first season with a more impressive 1.1 blocks per game.
I believe you need to look at rate stats if you're comparing potential
Amare’s rookie year, he was .9/1.2 in steals and blocks, respectively. Favors is .6/.9 at this point in time. So the difference isn’t nearly as glaring as your .5 vs. 1.1. The reason I believer per 36 minute stats mean more in this case if because we’re looking at potential, not actual in-game production per say. I’m certainly not saying these numbers are very good by any means, I expect much more out of him in both of these “athletic” categories, but they’re not hopelessly dismal or anything.
For the record, their per 36 mins points/rebs in their rookie year was/is:
Amare: 15.5, 10.1.
Favors: 12.3, 9.8.
We only have about 40% of a season’s worth of stats for Favors so it’s dangerous to draw anything conclusive from this info. In addition, the Nets are planning on starting Favors in the second half of the season, assuming he’s still in a Nets uniform, so we may start to get a better idea about him in the near future.
I'm telling you right now
As I mentioned in my fanpost. Favors value is being so overlooked it’s not even funny. Dude is the youngest player in the NBA, oozes with potential and athleticism, is a good kid who is constantly trying to improve and of course might still be growing. He was the number 3 overall pick for a reason people! Avery doesn’t like rookies, that’s just his style much like Karl. But we shouldn’t draw conclusions from that.
Know when to fold em'.
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I got people nicknaming their kids after me.
I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!
Look, ideally I would LOVE if
we got Melo and 3-4 draft picks (which we could trade up and get a top 3 pick, rather that than a couple 20th or worse picks that scream out potential bench fodder seeing as how depleted next few drafts will be on talent) and then sign Marc Gasol in the offseason and hope the Grizz don’t match our offer which they won’t because Zach and Gay are eating up most of their payroll anyways and they have some pretty good youngsters who will demand bigger contracts next offseason. That would give us a Gasol, Nene, (fill in blank for a SF, maybe Harrington though I am not a fan of him starting) AAA/JR then Lawson leading the charge and have Favors come off the bench for Nene and then start Favors after 3-4 years if he shows great promise (which he hasn’t so far) and Nene can retire and go back to his home country and get involved with the religious community like he said he was going to.
HOWEVER, we are only speculating right now that Melo even wants to be traded to the Nets which honestly is like a lawyer wanting to quit his job to work at burger king because it’s “closer” to home even though he can take the train, so instead of just trading straight up with New York and take Chandler, Gallo, Fields all of whom are ok but only one fits what we will need in a Melo trade (Chandler to replace Melo) why not get a third team involved and get a solid big man with upswing and Marc Gasol is young and has upswing, its not his fault he has bad guards feeding him the ball (Conley is the definition of a mediocre point guard, whom also has a big contract which is another reason the Grizz can’t keep Gasol). I was messing around with other ideas such as this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29us4t9
but honestly I doubt that would work, and I would hate to take on Jamisons contract and I don’t know if the Cavs or Knicks would pull the trigger or if it would make us better but it might.
However, I think if the Knicks are the only team we can trade with, why not involve another team with a big man who can’t be kept next year and most of us have been wanting Gasol for some time now, Chandler is a suitable replacement for Melo and Gasol gives our team a very even and possibly great team, Nene can focus on scoring, Gasol can focus on bruising (seriously, Nene and baby gasol are great defenders, there is potential there) Grizz sacrifice their center but get good shooters and they can start the Thabeet or Hamed who could be a solid replacement for Baby Gasol.
I am with you on getting Favors and then waiting this offseason to snag Gasol if possible, but if Melo only has the knicks in his sights , why should we settle with Gallo and Fields? Why not solve a few problems and take Gasol and Chandler?
You say that we're only speculating Melo will go the Nets
But that’s no more speculation than you saying the Grizzlies are willing to give up their center for wings, the one position they don’t want/need to upgrade with Gay, Mayo and Henry.
its not a matter of wanting
They would rather resign Zach this offseason than resign Marc Gasol from what I have gathered. They didn’t get Thabeet and Hamed to make them sit on the bench (esp. Thabeet). Not to mention that Stern is looking to get rid of franchises like the Memphis Grizzlies who have poor ticket sales, one of the least dedicated fan bases, lost revenue, no sense of direction, bad owner etc. etc.
I don't think the second point has anything to do with anything
You can’t exactly go making moves for your franchise with the belief you’re going to get contracted. In that case, Heisley may as well just sell all his players for draft picks and $3M. And then sell the draft picks come draft time.
As far what the Grizz plan to do this off-season, I have no clue. However, if they do trade Gasol or Z-Bo before the offseason, I have to imagine its for size. Like I said above, they already have Gay, Mayo and Henry firmly entrenched at the wings (barring trade). Adding more makes zero sense. They need to either replace Gasol or Z-Bo at 4/5 or try and find a taker for Conley’s salary to go with them.
As for Thabeet and Hamed, both are simply D-League or similar fodder at the moment. They’re sunk costs. Neither has shown to be anything outside of maybe a 4th big. Not something you give up your starting C for.
Honestly
I’d rather take Fileds and Gallo over Gasol and try to take a stab at a center in the next couple of drafts. I’m just not impressed with Gasol. He has nothingon his brother… yet and idk if he’s really worth losing out on Fields and Gallo. As far as my other favorite team it’s the Atlanta Hawks. Joe Johnson is my favorite player in the league.
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I don't want Gallo
he is just another wing player who happens to be 6’10, sure he can hit the open 3 but we already have our sharp shooter in AAA, Fields? Sure he seems good but where would he fit on our team? We already are loaded on talented guards and Gasol is a bruiser, while his brother (Pau) is a finesse PF, Marc is improving his jump shot and he can defend any 7 footer in the league. we are not a running team anymore, we just play very fast half court basketball isolation. Karl preaches not holding on to the ball, but to do something with it the second you get it, and that is why we lead the league in FT attempts. Gasol would fit on this team.
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Kids, please try to remember the 3 rules in realistic trade making
Does the money fit? Yes sure ok
Does it work for your team? Yes
Does it work for the other team(s)? Knicks… Hell Yes. Grizz… Hell No
To put it in perspective… hey the Nugs could trade Melo straight up for Peja… the numbers work so I’m sure the Nugs would love to make that trade…
Errr, no because for the Nugs that would make no sense. Just like it would make no sense for the Grizz to trade a Legit 7footer simply because it would be “convenient” for the Nugs…
Good try, back to the drawing board.
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