Garbage Flows from East to West
As Nuggets fans we have been inundated with rumor after rumor after rumor. Will Carmelo go? Will he stay? Is he still trying to force management to improve the roster? Is he just biding his time till free agency?
One thing I do know for sure is.....almost every rumor that's been started regarding Melo has been conceived, formulated and spit out by east coast media who....for whatever reason, have a vested interest in seeing Melo out there. More specifically the Knicks. Come with me as we delve into the mysteries of East Coast rumor mongering at it's finest.
Disclaimer: I'm not asking people to make the same assumptions I have made. I've spoken to several people I know around the business (my "friend who works in the Nuggets FO was let go along with most everyone else) and, more to the point, I'm getting sick and tired of these baseless rumors coming from the East coast.
Really, this whole sordid episode was started by Ric "Kobe will never wear a Laker Uniform again" Bucher. In a column that was better suited for the NY Post Page 6 here ....Bucher proceeded to rehash old information regarding Melo's wedding, spin it, and turn what is essentially a non story into a national incident where Stan Kroenke gets humiliated (never happened) and drunken toasts are taken as gospel. Meanwhile Bucher never spoke to anyone in the Nuggets organization (which he effectively burned the bridge so thoroughly that he's most likely no longer welcome at the Pepsi Center) ...and one is left to wonder....what's the motivation? I personally believe that Bucher was so desperate for a breaking story that he was willing to dump that pile of crap all over ESPN where it could be picked up by his buddy and personal favorite of Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, Mark Stein. The story was so outlandish that Melo felt the need to tweet about it the very night it came out.
Lets fast forward a couple weeks. All was quiet on the Melo front until Adrian Wojnarowski came out with a column detailing the evils of World Wide Wes, Leon Rose and the inevitable parting of ways with the Nuggets. Which I suppose we can all buy in to on it's face. Here .....yet here's the rub. Shortly after Wojnarowski's column broke, Stan Kroenke was allowed to buy the St. Louis Rams and he handed over control of the Nuggets to his son. We all know that Josh Kroenke flew to Baltimore to meet with Melo. From what I've been told, and what others have followed up with since (and admitted to by Kroenke himself) there was no difficult and awkward meeting with Melo.....in fact...many people have reason to believe that the "World Wide Wes demanding Melo be traded" incident never happened.
Looking at this deeper, I don't blame Wojnarowski for writing the column. For all anybody knows Melo could have one foot out the door as we speak, BUT, there may be reason to doubt Wojnarowski's "source" regarding this for a couple reasons. I have a friend who works as a columnist for the New York Post and Baltimore Sun (not a sports columnist but he is connected). He was telling me that it's well known, at least out there, that Woj is on a crusade to take down World Wide Wes (ever since that scathing column Woj wrote about Lebron shortly after the whole "Decision" debacle) and that it looks like Woj was leaked information because someone has an interest in making the Denver Nuggets look like a weak organization to drive down the Nuggets trade leverage with Melo knowing that Wojnarowski would run with it. Now.....this is only one guy I've spoken to and quite frankly I think that assumption is a bit of a stretch....BUT it would explain why Woj went ahead and reported on something that given his excellent article regarding Lebron and World Wide Wes was along the same lines.
Then we have all the baseless trade rumors that keep popping up. Last week we saw the Nuggets announce through Mark Stein that they are shooting down all offers for Carmelo. Partly because our New GM needs to speak with Melo....and partly also because, well....I suspect all the "offers" that have come through are utter crap. The Nuggets are perceived as a weak organization and THAT my friends was the purpose of all the rumors. We have ESPN, all the New York mags and Newspapers are old hat at this. They tried it with Lebron. Create enough noise and eventually perception becomes an inevitable reality. It really makes me sick. It's important to point out that nothing has come directly from Carmelo, and because of this people and their rumors are running wild. Now, Melo could stamp out these rumors right now and say ENOUGH which he MAY do still....and then again may not do that. The point is no one, not even the Nuggets know. Frustrating to say the least.
A couple further notes. Denver MISSES Travis Heath alot. During times like these he would be out there either tamping down the rumor fire, OR doing some actual reporting and breaking news from the Denver area. Thank god we still have Chris Tomasson who does a great job from AOL Fanhouse....The two stooges that masquerade as Nuggets beat writers have just reacted to everything coming outta ESPN a day late. Reporting on the Report. Not good enough. We as Nuggets fans deserve better and it's dismaying to see us being subjected to the whims of ineffective reporters and ESPN biased rumor jockeys (I'm looking at YOU Ric Bucher) Im in no way saying that Melo DOESNT want to leave....all Im saying is no one knows for sure.
I'm not in any way shape or form pointing this ire at fans of our fellow NBA teams. They come because they desire to see their team acquire Carmelo and it's something I'm sure we would do on other blogs (minus the obvious Trolls who only come by when there's something bad going on with the Nuggets). YES Knicks fans are delusional and have an outdated and outsized view of their team....but they are fans who love their team like we love the Nuggets. Gotta respect that.
In conclusion, remember that everything rumored on becoming inevitable....is just that, RUMORS started by people who want to see their professional basketball team get Melo. Or, good people who have bad sources who have an agenda. Until Carmelo Anthony comes out and says something we are all at the whims of these people. We can choose to let it bother us, or we can get excited about watching basketball and cheering on our team
Its our choice.....I hope we make the right one....just like I hope Melo does the same
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But, Carmelo cannot say anything!!!
It’s very easy for us posters to put Melo on the spot; but none of us have volunteered to pay the fine Melo would receive for saying anything that is not the company line.
The blame is on the fans as much as it is on the blameless media and players.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals." Butch Cassidy
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
And, I agree I have not been impressed by a Nuggets beat writer since the days of Dave Kreiger
That goes back a lot of years (that would be Kreiger… and not Mike (I wannabe like Mike) Monroe.
For all the “awards” that Three OnThree’s Company’s Boy has received… he’s been useless has a true Nugs Beat Reporter… I’m sorry the Denver Post is paying your salary, you report for them and not be the Nuggets Mouthpiece!!! Regarding Dempsey, I haven’t really seen nor heard enough of him in the forefront… maybe that says it all about him.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals." Butch Cassidy
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
Great read as always Jpage!
I have come to the decision that unless i hear a direct quote from a player(Although I think that they get fined), a players agent or a seriously legitement source, that they want to be traded, I don’t take a lot of notice to the rumour. A source could be anybody, I could go ask some random person what they think and call it a source.
I’m at that stage of life where i’m deciding what sort of career I could get into and Journalism is right up there as a possibility, I just hope I never report false stuff, ever.
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i really don't understand this world wide wes dude
he seems like a glorified groupie, but he has a weird pull on all these guys. How do NBA players have such balls standing up to billionaire NBA owners but shake in fear when this pussy rolls up. don’t understand it at all
from the info i've found
He is /was some super high up in some huge east coast gang. He thinks he can bully these owners to do things or else. He doesnt realize that the owners of this league are 10 to 20 times bigger then he will ever be. The other tie in is CAA. www and leon rose are trying to strong arm teams or CAA players will not play for the teams that dont co-operate.
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Sep 7, 2010 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
He's got a good rep
cuz he’s helped lead many players throughout their careers. I have read that he is like a mentor in helpong them make decisions and I have also read the gang shit about him. I don’t exactly know what is true or not but I hear he’s a cock bag and is somewhat of a Scott Boras type of guy.
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by Garrett Olsen on Sep 7, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember when World Wide Wes was just a rumor
It wasn’t that long ago when people weren’t even sure if this guy existed. Literally. He was always kind of talked about in hushed tones and would make an appearance in some article every six months about having influence over some major player but nothing ever was totally confirmed so he remained a rumor. He was always talked about being one of the top 5 most influential people in the NBA but nobody really knew about him.
Then along came LBJ and WWW finally decided that this was “the guy” and the time to make a power move in public. His greatest strength before was not being tied down to any company/agency/group, at least on paper. Now, he’s committed. He’s using all the equity and “power” he’s built up with players over the years (and I would say it’s substantial) to try and do what he believes is best for his clients. It’s certainly possible (and maybe even probable) it’s what the clients themselves want. Regardless, so long as professional sports remain player leagues, as in the viewing public wants to see the best players play, these players and their agents will have a ton of power.
As much as people complain about “the inmates now running the asylum,” guess who gave those inmates that power? Us. The viewing public. Basically everyone on this website and the thousand of websites similar to this one. We empower them through paying for their jerseys, buying tickets (and conversely, not buying tickets when our teams suck or have no star), watching the game on tv to boost ratings, and turning a blind eye or a slap on the wrist when they do something stupid. Why? Because they’re supremely gifted athletes. And literally, short of murder or running the dog pound from hell, we forgive them for their transgressions, and even then, we usually forgive them. If you don’t want guys like Leon Rose, or World Wide Wes, or Scott Boras, dictating terms, stop watching the games and buying merchandise. Or switch to a communist society. I don’t believe China has any issues with agents.
i didn't really know this Worldwide Wes guy either
This article gives a good insight into the man. I found it very interesting.
http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/200706/william-wesley-worldwide-wes-nba-basketball
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Great Stuff
Awesome read, I don’t think anyone could sum it up better than that.
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thannnnnnnnk you Garrett
much appreciated
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Quick aside b/c I am too lazy to find a trade thread and this is a positive fanpost
But has anyone thought of the possibility of the Spurs faltering in the early season (ginobili/ Parker injury very feasible). Spurs say f it time to re-build around Splitter(who i think will have a tough time adjusting to the NBA at least for a couple of years)and Blair. Duncan then becomes available. It is not like Timmy is getting any younger at 34.
Do you think we could send KMart, Smitty and some first round pick for Duncan and some shooter? That should definitely encourage Melo to stay.
TD and Nene would be a force to recon with.
by JR15 on Sep 7, 2010 10:37 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Probably not this year but.....
After/if Parker becomes a FA they will most likely rebuild somehow. Trading Duncan would be like us trading Chauncey though dont think they would trade him unless he asks for a trade
Unlikely that they would give up Duncan.
Because he is such of a hero in that city and has been there for so long, however if they need to rebuild, they may have to. I don’t really see it happening.
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Duncan retires a spur
He’s still good enough to play a David Robinson role on a title team. No one is going to “build” around dajuan blair – as soon as you count on him as a key player, his knees will end his career. As for Splitter, how about we let him play an NBA game before dumping one of the best players ever to get him playing time.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 8, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
If I were the Spurs and they suck this year
I would try to get value out of Duncan. Especially with the CBA coming up, I am sure the Spurs would like to have $23 mil off their books. Also I think JR could fluorish under Pop and replace Ginobili effectively.
This is all based on the Spurs sucking in the season however.
by JR15 on Sep 8, 2010 8:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Hate to always be the fun vacuum...
but let’s pretend that Duncan and SA were willing to part ways (which I find insanely unlikely, but hey, anything’s possible). I have to imagine Duncan’s trade value is going to be similar to Garnett’s a few years ago. Yes, Garnett was younger then but I think most “experts” are in agreement that it’s not necessarily age, but mileage (games played) that really matters. Duncan’s current mileage with playoff games isn’t too far off what Garnett’s was a few years ago.
Garnett’s return was Al Jefferson (a consensus young 20/10 stud at the time), Gerald Green (supremely athletic young who couldn’t put it together in games and had immaturity issues), Telfair and Gomes (young pieces, limited ceilings), Ratliff’s expiring contract, a future first rounder, and Minnesota’s first rounder returned to them from the Ricky Davis deal (which I believe was the #3 pick in the 2008 draft which ended up netting Kevin Love).
In other words, about 17 times more then the Nuggets can offer. Even if Duncan were to be traded, the Nuggets simply have nothing to offer SA except cap space. You can bet any trade that does involve Duncan will have young pieces attached to it, pieces we do not have. Teams like Houston, Portland, OKC, and Utah could all offer better packages than the Nuggets could and give Duncan just as good a chance to win another championship.
Sorry, but Duncan isn’t gonna happen.
Duncan retires a spur
No matter what. That franchise is way too loyal to each other. Look at the ridiculous contract they just gave Ginobili for instance. Yeah he’s good, but oft-injured and getting up there in mileage himself.
I think they
were just throwing Manu a bone, because he was underpaid for a bit there.
If my memory serves correct...
If the Spurs don’t resign him, he comes to the Nuggets. Talk about revisionist history.
It was the year after we signed Miller...
We had a ton of cap space still and we were going to offer Manu a large contract as he was a RFA of the Spurs. I thought for a while there he was going to sign with us but he ended up signing a pretty big 5 or 6 year deal with SA and the rest is history.
Ah
I dont remember that. I was thinking of his most recent extension a year or two ago
Here it is
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1835202
I forgot that Kenyon Martin was Plan B that year. I think my brain blocked it out on purpose to save me the anguish.
I’m gonna go suck on my thumb with my blankey now.
damn
this team would have been way better with Manu
I remember that
we were also trying to get Arenas and/or Steve Nash that year that we signed Miller.
Yea....
The great PG debate was actually the year before Manu (I thought they were the same year too, had to look it up).
I was actually happy we got Andre out of the three. I thought Nash was too old (oops) and I thought Arenas would limit Melo’s growth with his ballhogginess (I think that’ would have been accurate but who knows). I figured Miller was still young, a pass first PG, and a good defender with size. All that was probably still accurate, he was just no Nash.
Oh the joys of hindsight.
I put nothing past SA
The FO there knows their stuff. They have allowed Splitter to develop overseas, the same with Ginobli and Parker.
How many of you wish, as I do, that Denver would have picked up Blair in the early 2nd round?
If only Denver had raided the SA FO maybe this Melo stuff would already be over.
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by IgorBStrange on Sep 10, 2010 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder
if Ric Bucher remembers the day he lost interest in being a real journalist, or if his integrity just seeped away so gradually he didn’t notice.
I'm really not sure
but it’s pretty clear that he was chasing his own tail here.
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I mostly blame ESPN
Sure, the rest of the east cost media plays their part, but ultimately its about ESPN’s metamorphosis from a network that reported sports news to a manufacturer & pusher of sports news. Whether its Favre, LeBron, Tiger, or Carmelo (who, as far as ESPN is concerned, are less athletes than characters in a massive, ongoing soap opera), the pattern is always the same: script the narrative, break the “story,” then relentlessly push it via their endless number of vehicles (SportsCenter, ESPNRadio, ESPN.com, Around the Horn, PTI, etc etc) until it takes hold. By the time Skip Bayless is weighing in the following day, the story has become accepted fact through sheer repetition. The sickeningly genius part is that, should any part of said story turn out to be provably false, ESPN can simply point to the vast number of personalities/“journalists” that bought it, shrug their shoulders and say, “It’s not our fault – EVERYONE got fooled!” Lather, rinse, repeat.
(Whether this or the overwhelming smugness of its on-air talent is the single worst thing about the Worldwide Leader these days is a subject for another post…)
by CraftyB on Sep 8, 2010 8:49 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
ESPN
Is all East/ West coast and dispises the Mid America area. Dates back to the days of Olbermann and his disdain for anything not East Coast or LA oriented.
Sometimes I wonder if Vince McMahon owns ESPN because of their style of reporting and trying to make their own “superstars” over real talent.
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by IgorBStrange on Sep 10, 2010 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions

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