5 Team Trade w/ATL, NJN, DET and ORL
by ninecharacters on Sep 1, 2010 4:14 AM MDT
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DEN
Melo, Billups, Nene and JR for Jameer, Gortat, Crawford, Favors, TWill, Humphries and 2 1Rd Picks
ATL
Marvin, JSmith, Crawford and Bibby for Harris, Nene, JR, Prince, Maxiell and Wilcox
NJN
Harris, Favors, T-Will, Humphries and 2 1Rd Picks for Melo and Bibby
DET
Prince, Maxiell and Wilcox for JSmith and Marvin
ORL
Jameer and Gortat for Billups
DEN
Jameer/Lawson/Johnson
TWill/Crawford/Afflalo
Harrington
KMart/Favors/Maxiell
Gortat/Birdman
+: Karl thrilled to have floor leader in Jameer; Jameer-Lawson-TWill-Favors-Gortat a nice nucleus; financial flexibility in 2011; Gortat has potential to average double-double
-: 3-4 yrs. away fr. competing unless they find a steal next offseason
ATL
Harris/Teague
JJ/JR
Prince/Evans
Horford/Maxiell/Wilcox/Thomas
Nene/Zaza
+: Prince and Nene offer overall defensive upgrade; move Horford to PF; Harris could flourish as a passer w/this crop of shooters; JJ can dial back the mins.
-: impending SF gap (no money for Prince next summer) but this team appears destined for multiple early playoff exits anyway; honestly sad to see what happened w/JR yet he’s playing in the final yr. of his deal so we’ll assume he’s a chemistry non-factor—he might even embrace ATL and the change
NJN
Bibby/Farmar
Morrow
Melo/Outlaw/Jones
Murphy/Humphries
Lopez/Petro
+: Melo can deliver a championship; Bibby on an ugly contract and increasingly injury-prone but also a fearless shooter, could take pressure off Melo in the 4th
-: EC is so stacked (esp. w/ORL and ATL trades here) that it may take yrs. before they even see the Conf finals
DET
Stuckey/Bynum
Gordon/Rip
Marvin/Daye
JSmith/Jerebko/Villanueva/Wilcox
Wallace/Monroe
+: backcourt is deep, skilled, incredibly versatile; w/legit Rip move this team could surprise in the playoffs
-: when does Villanueva play? probably packaged w/Rip; beyond Rip and Wallace, a squad in need of some veteran leadership; Gordon will have to lose streaky tag to live up to the contract—he’ll be carrying DET on certain nights
ORL
Billups/Duhon
Vince/Reddick
Pietrus
Rashard/Bass
Dwight
+: he isn’t CP3 but tell Billups he can’t lead Dwight and ORL to a title
-: Jameer’s game is just behind a Rose or Rondo now but he might develop into a player like Billups w/time
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It’s ambitious and it has some merits but there’s some problems. I have no idea why the Nets would want the human corpse known as Mike Bibby as they’re trying to remain young with the exception of adding an in-his-prime elite talent. I’m not sure Detroit would add two players to the two spots (SF, PF) they’re actually trying to shed players. ATL is trading three assets (two if you want to count Marvin’s contract a liability) for basically a handful of expirings and Harris. Maybe they’ll willing to do that but they probably want to at least give it the old college try this year before burning down the house and accepting Joe Johnson as the most overpaid NBA player in the league.
don't completely dismiss Bibby
Farmar/Bibby solid as NJN make a playoff push and then enter the playoffs. Bibby may have looked like a human corpse in ATL’s offense, and he’s obviously lost a step w/the unjuries, but he’s an option in late-game scenarios. The leadership shouldn’t be underestimated—even Melo will need it.
DET and ATL need major makeovers. DET is all over the map. The Villanueva contract is bad enough, but Gordon @10M/yr w/Rip still there is the real financial straitjacket. For a young JSmith and Marvin, DET makes this deal in a heartbeat. ATL likely scoffs at first but this team is sleepwalking into permanent 7-8 seed if they do nothing. (If some of that JJ money, say 30-40M, could have been reserved for Horford and Prince next summer, this trade is sick for ATL.) Instead they clear space in 2011 and obtain Harris, Nene and Maxiell (long-term backup if Horford re-ups). Would you rather build around JJ-Marvin-JSmith-Horford or Harris-JJ-Horford-Nene?
by ninecharacters on Sep 1, 2010 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Yikes
But a Farmar/Bibby combo at PG is bad. Really bad. Unless NJ decided to change to a triangle system without my knowledge, that’s an atrocious pairing.
Detroit? Yea, they’re already locked into Villanueva’s bad contract, Gordon’s pricey contract, Rip’s bad contract, and now you want to pile on Smith’s pricey contract and Williams’s bad contract on top? That’s like $50M and rising for those 5 players locked in for at least the next three years. Goodbye financial flexibility until 2014 for a fringe playoff team. Not to mention the only young good/potentially good players they do have (Jerekbo, Daye, Summers, and arguably Monroe depending on what position he plays) are all at 3/4, the exactly positions Smith and Williams play. Adding Smith/Williams is just adding to a position they don’t need. It’d be like Minnesota and its PG fetish.
ATL would only clear about $3M in 2011 (Crawford vs. Prince/Wilcox) compared to like the $10M added in 2010. That’s a solid $20M they’re paying there for this trade with the luxury tax in 2010. If money is no issue, I guess the core of players they’d be rebuilding around is better than the previous foursome but that seems like a whole lot of shuffling and a lot of cash upfront for a future result that might be lateral move. ATL sealed its own fate with that JJ contract, I have serious doubts any sort of reshuffling is going to save that team.
I don't think orlando makes this trade
Unlike the Nuggets, they don’t show much intention in taking a part a team that was in the finals
Wow
good work. It addresses many needs but i just don;t see such a deal ever being finished… wayyy to complicated. NJ would be the one to say no.
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well thought out
I thought of involving Atlanta into a DEN-NJN trade too Devin Harris would fit nice in their team they need a good point guard. This would be hands down the most crazy trade in NBA history lol, has there ever been a 5 team trade?
Wanna here a real shocker?
Andres B is a Nets fan. I know, Nuggets fans, he is completely uninterested in Carmelo on the Nets. Amazing.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 3, 2010 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
he has made that abundantly and reduntantly clear
I’ll even say “rebundantly”
I don’t disrespect that take. It’s good to have faith in the current trajectory of your team.
If I was the Nets I wouldn’t sell the farm, either, but to not even have interest in having a Brooklyn-born superstar playing for your Brooklyn-based team…? Even if you think he is overrated, you must surely think he is an improvement on any of the 3s you have now… no?
That's in reference to the "reduntantly" in the header ...ugh...
over-explanatory Self-Thursty!
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