Why all the "Melo for a bag of chips" trade ideas are a crock of sh*t
by Monkfish on Sep 1, 2010 3:36 PM MDT
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PrintLately us stiffs have been flooded with members of the Nets, Clippers and other team's fanbases coming here to tell us what they think melo is worth. Quite frankly, these people dont know what they are talking about. They are just irrational homers. I am going to compare melo trade ideas to both of the trades that completed Boston's Big three.
First we have the Ray Allen trade.
Seattle traded: Ray Allen, Rights to Big Baby the 35th pick
Boston traded: Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, Rights to Jeff Green the 5th pick, future 2nd round pick.
So Boston traded the fifth pick, a future 2nd, a shorter contract and a prospect for a thirty-three year old player coming off ankle surgery and a 2nd round pick. In 06-07 Allen led his team to a grand total of 31 wins. In fairness, Allen only played in 55 of those games. He averaged a career high 26ppg, to go along with 4.5 boards, 4.1 assists and 1.5 pilfers.
Now for the Garnett trade.
Minnesota traded: Kevin Garnett
Boston traded: Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and 2 first round picks.
So Boston traded a proven 21 year old big averaging a double double, a solid player in Gomes, Green and Telfair for Kevin Garnett who was a 12 year veteran at the time. On top of all of this, they also traded two first round picks. Garnett was coming off of an impressive season where he posted averages of 22.4ppg, 12.8rpg, 4 assists, 1.7 blocks and 1.1 steals. Kevin Garnett's contract situation was almost exactly like melo's, he had a player option and threatened to test his options in free agency.
We all know what Boston did that season. They won the championship, with Rondo and Perkins as two of the starters. At the time, these two young players were question marks, bench players who many believed to be the weak link of the team.
Say the nets wanted to trade for melo, and they put a real offer on the table, not this "here is a bag of cheetos" shit.
Lets say they offer
Golden State's 1st rounder
Their own 1st rounder.
Now to compare this to the boston trades. Derrick Favors is like Jeff Green in that he has never played a NBA game, but is a player with high potential. Troy murphy is like Wally or Theo Ratliff in that he has a large expiring contract. Damion James is like Delonte West or Ryan Gomes. The two 1sts in this trade are like the two firsts in the Garnett trade. This trade is somewhere in between the Ray Allen trade and the Garnett Trade, but closer to the Garnett deal. No, Melo isnt a former MVP like Garnett, but he is only 26, and a really good player, which is why he will demand at least as much as the above trade. Also, with the recent report that NJ is offering Harris, Favors and picks, I do not see how this is really any different.
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I agree 100% that the Nugs shouldn’t trade Melo for anything less than top value. Also, what are the chances that Melo agrees to a sign and trade, to a team he actually wants to go to, in order for the Nugs to get better value in return?
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Whoa
You guys just took this to another level. Ham Sandwich? Peanut butter jelly? That’s almost a meal. You greedy bastards are gonna be demanding a BLT in no time. I thought I was aiming high with a side order of chips and a future drink.
At least
A double whopper with cheese.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Nah kid
Our best hope is a BK single stack + the cheese stuck on a wrapper from a higher priced burger. Final offer.
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by Joelsopinion on Sep 2, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Value for Melo
I agree with your post Monkfish. We need to get value for Melo – if our new GM can’t convince him to stay in Denver. Your analogies are right on. I’m guessing the Nets won’t want to give us Troy Murphy and Favors because that’s two of their top Power Forwards. There are other packages with the Nets that have been discussed many, many times on these boards that could give us back value including a couple of 1st Rounders as you mentioned, Twill possibly some other combinations.
Seems like the Nets are the front-runners. We should know soon about the direction of the team since Melo is back from China and will be meeting with the new GM. We will see how good he is in negotiations – first with Melo then possibly with suitors for Melo
been reading sactown royalty?
I gave the KG trade as an example of the kind of blueprint that they might want to consider and of course why their own poop platter wasn’t going to get it done in regards to acquiring Carmelo. I think lots of fans from other teams forget their timeline of events, and think that just because they know something NOW that they knew it THEN.
I think it could be reasonably argued that Carmelo is worth more now than KG was in 2007.
We all know what Boston did that season. They won the championship, with Rondo and Perkins as two of the starters. At the time, these two young players were question marks, bench players who many believed to be the weak link of the team.
Rondo and Perk weren’t literally questions marks for the Celtics that season, even though the offense was designed to keep the pressure off of Rondo (sometimes he didn’t touch the ball). Maybe I’m revising history a bit myself. Frankly, I was more scared that Allen’s ankle wouldn’t hold up and that KG’s knees would fold in half before they could finish the deed.
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I think any trade with New Jersey starts with Lopez. Pretty comparable to the Garnett trade starting with Jefferson. And before all you New Jersey fans start throwing out the “untouchable” label for Lopez, just know that the New Jersey front office does not agree:
One team insider intimated that for a player of Anthony’s stature, no current Net would be deemed untouchable, including Brook Lopez.
Now we're talking
Brook Lopez, Terrance Williams, Troy Murphy and 2 1sts for Melo.
I’d be more inclined to keep JR Smith BTW if we trade Melo
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Good luck with that
I dont see them throwing in all of that if Lopez is involved.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
that same NY Post writer
says today the Nets won’t includo Lopez in any trade proposal and claims Brook is UNTOUCHABLE.
Then no Melo for you guys
We need a real Center not some guy with a lot of potential that can be lazy (Favors) we already have JR smith
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Why would the Nets give up Lopez for Anthony anyway?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Nets can’t trade Troy till December.
I agree with the post. If the nuggets meet with melo and he does want out then they need to tell him to give them a list of 5 teams he would sign the extension for. Then they can have a bidding war between those teams!
by soloking on Sep 1, 2010 8:06 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Nets can’t trade Troy till December.
I agree with the post. If the nuggets meet with melo and he does want out then they need to tell him to give them a list of 5 teams he would sign the extension for. Then they can have a bidding war between those teams!
by soloking on Sep 1, 2010 8:06 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
No, they can trade him now
They cant trade Farmar, Outlaw, Petro (lol), etc.
I kinda agree with your post
But at the same time, you are doing the same thing. Sure, other team’s fans are going to try and lowball, just like you guys are demanding to much. In all honesty, the real trade will probably be somewhere in the middle.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
If he is even traded
Its looking that way, but who knows. I think It will be somewhere between the Ray Allen trade and the KG trade. Even though you could argue Melo is more valuable than 07 KG or Ray. I am just sick and tired of nets and clippers fans coming in here and saying this guy is untouchable and so is that guy, so you can have Francisco Elson and our #2 next year, WTF. I am sorry, but if your team was in the depths of the lotto WITH that guy, then obviously he isnt that great. Clips and Nets fans act like their prospect is the second coming of Jordan or something.
I mean, when you substitute an above average guy in the trade for melo, and they wouldn’t accept it, you know that shit is whack. Say you sub Gerald Walace (more than above average) for melo in these trade proposals, the bobcats would shoot everyone of em down.
I'd like to know at what point during the year the Ray Allen and KG trades happened
The Nuggets have stated that they are trying to keep Melo, which seems to imply that the only way a trade could happen early is if the package is too good to turn down. It seems like no trade is going to happen any time soon.
The Clippers weren't in the lottery WITH Blake Griffin.
Griffin was out all of last season, remember?
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Playing alongside an unmotivated Baron Davis and being coached by the rookie coach Kim Hughes for much of the year.
Also, Nuggets fans should know full well that the Clippers went to the playoffs a few years back with Chris Kaman.
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Hopefully he is...
since the Clips have the best chance of going to the playoffs they’ve had in years, with or without Melo.
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still much more optimistic about my team future
than yours, unless your office doen’t think like everyone here and takes kaman, aminu and the minni pick. the i would only be more optimistic about my team future than yours.
ok
were they on expirings, too (s&t)? or did they have years left?
btw
sorry I often don’t do my own research.
Garnett
was traded several weeks after the draft – enough time in between the two deals to make Celtics Fan nervous that the deal for KG wasn’t getting done.
To the best of my recollection, neither player was forcing trades. I seem to recall, honestly, that moving KG was more in the interest of the Wolves, the thinking being that his value was only going down the more mileage his knees accumulated. Funny really, since they both likely wanted to play on a winner, but the 2006-07 Celtics wouldn’t have qualified in the literal sense.
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Trade dates
ChrisCEIT is correct about there being several weeks between. I thought they were within days of each other. That’s my bda, I should have double checked (I really, really hate when I don’t double check info). Ray Allen, June 28, 2007. Kevin Garnett, June 31, 2007.
Your other statement is also true to my recollection. The Wolves were sucking and gonna keep sucking so they wanted to trade Garnett and try to rebuild. Garnett was originally opposed to his deal due to his loyalty to Minnesota (shocking I know) but finally agreed when it became apparent that Minnesota was serious about moving him and he’d get a chance to play for a winner. I don’t think Allen cared one way or another but that’s just by memory.
LOL
Not a chance that the Timberwolves were in favor of trading him. They traded him because he wanted out or he would have been there his whole career. Give me a break.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127
The Wolves made the determination near the end of the playoffs that — for the first time — they would seriously entertain the prospect of trading Garnett according to team sources, with Garnett being informed of that change in philosophy directly by owner Glen Taylor.
Taylor announced in mid-July that the organization no longer was looking to move the NBA’s 2004 MVP, telling the St. Paul Pioneer Press that Garnett’s “preference was that we not trade him.” Yet just days earlier, one rival executive insisted to ESPN.com that he knew “for a fact” that Minnesota remained intent on trading Garnett before the 2007-08 season starts.
Also in the article was how Garnett refused the first trade, as nohoops4u stated below, due to his loyalty to Minnesota. He never wanted out but finally agreed after Boston acquired Allen and it was apparent to him that Minny wanted to move him.
I can’t blame Minnesota for making the deal. McHale loved Jefferson, Kevin was getting old in terms of mileage on his body and knees, still owed a dumptruck load of money and the roster was a mess.
Is that enough of a break for you? Or are we just going to ignore facts? Just because you remember something as going a certain way doesn’t mean it did (as also shown by my mistake about the trade dates above).
Nah man
It isn’t enough. I am not going to get into details with you. Garnett wouldn’t go to Boston the first time because he was leaving one shit hole for another. They got Ray Allen and he figured he would want to go there in free agency anyway. All you clowns who think the Nugs are going to trade Melo for a bag of chips are being really stupid. They either get a good deal that allows them to keep winning today and add more pieces down the road or they let him walk for whatever fucked up reason he has.
LOL
Because I don’t want to argue with someone who is being irrational I am a troll? I don’t want to waste my time talking about whether Garnett was going to leave Minnesota because he obviously was. LOL
LOL.
Yes, you’re a troll when you’re presented evidence to refute your point and your response is, again…
I am not going to get into details with you.
That was the sum total of your argument. You don’t want to “waste your time talking about whether or not Garnett was going to leave Minnesota because he obviously was” but you’re still here, huh? Instead of pretending, why don’t you present evidence to back up your notion that it was Garnett forcing the Timberwolves hands the summer of 2007. Maybe the rest of us here can give you a little respect. Or admit you’re wrong, you can be the better for that as well. Or not, and be a troll.
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celtics 1st tried to get KG
he refused the trade. celtics signed ray allen and then KG agreed to come to the celtics.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
Allen had a ton of money left, like 3/$48M and coming off double ankle surgery. Garnett had 2/$45M left and signed a 3/$60M extension immediately after being traded so you can realistically say there was 5/$105M left on his contract. However, if you’re just referring to his “leverage” at the time of the trade, he was still under contract for two years, same as Chris Paul.
yes
that’s what I was looking at, but these are still very good references for trade value. I’m not even sure how much any player leverage would affect the value of the haul.
1 year with an option
like melo. His option was declined when he took the extension.
Clippers fan here.
If we were going to get Melo, you all know we would have to trade away Chris Kaman to make the salaries work. Kaman is one of the best centers in the league right now and made the All-Star Game last year.
Plus, we would most likely have to throw in Al-Farouq Aminu and our first-round pick from Minnesota. All the analysts are saying that Denver wants young talent and picks in return for Melo. Aminu is the young talent, and judging from how suck-awful Minnesota is going to be, that first-rounder will likely be a top 5 pick.
I know some Nuggets fans have been saying they want Blake Griffin but that’s really pushing it. Griffin hasn’t played in the regular season yet, the Clips still want to evaluate how he does. Also, without Griffin, there would be very little motivation for Melo to sign an extension with the Clippers because the player who we believe is our key to becoming a contender would be gone. No extension, no deal, and I’m assuming that goes for all the other teams in the running for Melo.
I guess I’m just confused as to how giving Denver the young talent and picks that they supposedly want, plus a veteran All-Star center, amounts to a “bag of chips” or an “irrational homer’s proposal.” Seems to me like that would be a really good haul to get in return for a franchise player. Regardless, whether or not Melo is still in Denver in time for the upcoming season, best of luck to the Nuggets and I hope my Clips will be seeing you again in the playoffs soon!
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i think the more realistic potential scenario is getting gordon over griffin
kaman + gordon + minny unprotected. that’s what i want to see anyway.
It's possible that the Clippers would be willing to part with Eric Gordon...
but he has been lighting it up in international play. If his inspired play continues in the FIBA’s, the Clippers might want to keep him around.
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obviously it's not because i have zero inside in what the clips will do
but i don’t think our FO will be so stupid to give both gordon and the pick.
I guess I’m just confused as to how giving Denver the young talent and picks that they supposedly want, plus a veteran All-Star center, amounts to a "bag of chips" or an "irrational homer’s proposal."
I suppose I should let Nuggets Fan comment here, but the trade you proposed (Kaman, Al-Farouq, Minny #1) is clearly not a bag of chips. A star player, an attractive prospect, and a #1 pick (a good pick for sure, as you noted Minnesota’s current state) is far more than most if not all honest proposals floated to Nuggets Fan for Carmelo, based on what I’ve seen on other teams boards.
Further, in my opinion, your point that trading Griffin makes no sense because without him there’s little impetuous for Carmelo to sign an extension is spot on. This is why most of these trade deals are pipe dreams for everyone all around. Like you said, no extension, most likely no trade.
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I think most people are taking for granted that any trade will include an extension
To be quite literal, Clippers fans are right, Kaman is not a bag of chips. He eats bags of chips for breakfast.
I think the main point of the post was that the Celtics gave comparable value (IMO more) for aging stars, whereas Melo has only just entered his prime, and has 5 or 6 years of dominance before he even gets to the point that Ray Allen or KG were at when these trades went down. I still think the Clippers deal (without Gordon) is a solid notch below the KG deal.
The next few years of a healthy Jefferson, Green, Telfair, etc (and whoever the picks turned into) might help to balance those trades out. But I think the main thing to take away from this post is not that the deals other fanbases have proposed are worthless, it’s that there is recent precedence of comparable offers for star players who were definitely past their primes.
also, people are constantly underestimating the value of a good bag of chips…
Any team that doesn't demand an extension before agreeing to the trade would be making a big mistake.
They’d be risking Melo playing one year for them and then scurrying over to New York, further ruining the league.
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yeah, sorry I was unclear
I meant that everybody was RIGHTLY taking it for granted, and it doesn’t really require repeating that “no extension, no deal”
it’s a “no-brainer”
yes.
I agree. I don’t think I missed the point, though I might had sounded like I did. Frankly, I think the KG trade is the blueprint for the Nuggets, and it’s fair to argue that Carmelo is worth more than KG was in 2007. I’ve stated that elsewhere too, if I didn’t make my point clear here, then poopy on me.
That said, I think if most of us knew that KG was capable of what he was the last few years (and next couple as well) the comparison to Carmelo becomes laughable. This is definitely a case where we have to remember what we thought of KG in 2007 and not the best case scenario that ended up playing out in Boston beteeen then and now.
And yes, what KG has been in the 3 seasons he’s played for the Celtics, injury and all, qualifies as best case scenario, in MY opinion.
Oh, and i had a bag of chips and some wine for breakfast. That probably explains my unemployment, but it’s wine. not beer, so back off man.
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the right bag of chips will really bring out the tannins (whatever that means).
It actually says right there on the bag: “Eating chips for breakfast may cause unemployment.”
At least it wasn’t a bowl of Beerios.
Whatever, I’m not above it.
If Melo were primarily about winning, then he’d just stay in Denver. I think it’s pretty clear from his limited list of teams that location is at least as important to him (and his wife). There are a lot of teams who’s players, and as importantly their proven ownership and general managers, would give Melo a much better chance of winning than the teams on his list. And everything he’s said has made it abundantly clear that he is very much about the money, so there is no chance he’s leaving the extension on the table. He’d potentially sign an extension with the Clippers because they are in LA, not because they have a better chance at winning than the Nuggets do. So I don’t think including Griffin would kill the deal. If the Nuggets say they will trade him somewhere he wants to go and he’ll get his money with the extension, I have a hard time seeing him shoot it down because of who’s included in the trade and then leave all of that money on the table.
A core of Melo, Baron Davis, Blake Griffin, and Eric Gordon is definitely good enough to get a high seed in the West...
and may even be good enough to reach and even win the Finals depending on how things shake out. They’d also arguably be better than the Nets or Knicks with Melo.
Location does help the Clippers with Melo signing an extension, but I’m sure he’ll consider how good of a team the Clippers would be with him as well.
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And Blake Griffin has the potential to be an Amar'e like player.
Numerous experts have said this. The Clippers would be fools to let him go without even seeing him play a couple regular season games, and it would fracture the possible lineup that has made Melo even consider playing for the Clippers.
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I realize you're a Clippers fan...
and know there’s natural homer tendencies, but a high seed seems like a pretty big stretch to me, much less the Finals.
Your team is completely dependent on Baron Davis. The guy who still has a fat contract and has decided to play hard maybe for maybe two years in his career. Could he? Sure, but that’s also dependent on him playing more than 65 games. Eric Gordon, for all his praise this summer in International play, is an undersized shooter who lacks the ability to do much else. His game is much more suited for international play than the NBA. I also don’t need to list off players who perform well international ball but suck in the NBA. Griffin, for all his potential, we still have no clue what he looks like in an NBA game. If you offered me Griffin or Cousins right me, I’d probably take Cousins. I’d at least consider Favors too but its closer than it would seem.
If things break right I could certainly see Clippers getting up to like a 6 seed but that’s about the ceiling I see for that team.
We most definitely aren't dependent on Baron Davis.
Kaman has been our primary scoring option for a number of years, and Melo would comfortably settle into that role if the trade is made.
Baron Davis could then become more of a pass-first point guard – hell, Tom Haberstroh proved that BD had the best assists in the league last year. He’s a savvy PG who would have to settle for the long J a lot less often with Melo in town.
Eric Gordon is still relatively new to the league. He’s a young, dynamic scorer and an energy player, a perfect companion to a savvy point guard (Davis) and an overall superstar (Melo).
Finally, Blake Griffin is a hard worker with a great attitude, a great scorer down low, a hustle player, and very tough. He’d probably have to be more defensive-minded as we’d already have two high-usage scorers (Melo and Gordon), but he could easily fill the high-rebounder spot that Kaman would leave.
We also have a pretty good bench, with guys like Ryan Gomes and DeAndre Jordan. Brian Cook is the one main flaw with the bench, but he hopefully won’t be playing a lot. If everything goes according to plan, I can’t think of many other teams in the West better than us. The Lakers and the Thunder are honestly the only teams I could see finishing ahead of us with Melo and a healthy Blake Griffin, and the Lakers are aging anyway and could be headed for a downturn.
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ok
so what’s your prediction for the Clippers’ season if you don’t get Melo?
6th-8th seed in the West without Melo...
1st-3rd seed with him.
That’s my opinion, not necessarily the general consensus among Clipper fans.
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wow your high on us
i have lakers,okc,portland,dallas,jazz,spurs ahead of us. Us fighting the last spots, but i don’t think we are actually gonna make, i think we are the bubble. With Melo i think we can fight for the 4th spot. Of course for the next 4 years Melo would be MUCH better positioned to win in LA than Denver
I'm a card-carrying member of Club Optimism, I guess.
But I truly feel Blake Griffin is going to make us a consistently competitive team.
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i think a im optimist with my predictions too
as much people back in CN has us with 40 in best case, hope you are right.
optimism
Can it be pointed out that an optismistic Clippers Fan would be a fun person to know personally?
My name is Chris, and I watched lots of Clippers games on Channel 9 KCAL from 1992 to 2001. That anyone could have survived that period of time and bring optimism to any argument regarding the Clippers is someone I want to be friends with.
This isn’t internet sarcasm either. I think it takes a special fan to be where you are, and I want to jump either the Clippers or Kings bandwagon in the next year. Heck, I’ve posted my cell on sbnation sites before. I can do it again.
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Get on the Kings bandwagon...
Because if those guys were a stock, I’d be buying. Tons of cap room – present and future, an absolute identity building around Evans/Cousins who give you inside/out, pieces that actually fit well around those two, and most importantly, owners who know how to party.
While I like the Clippers pieces individually, I seriously question how they fit. Any team with Baron Davis leading it is already a question mark. Gordon, despite his international success (where he’s a much better fit), is an undersized shooting guard who can’t rebound or pass well, Griffin has health concerns, and Aminu is a classic tweener who I thought was vastly overrated coming out(as a Duke fan I got plenty of looks at him). Strangely enough, the most solid piece of that team is their resident caveman but he’s not really built to be part of an up-and-down the court that favors the rest of the team. I like the pieces, question the fit and whether their players will actually hit their ceiling there (unlike the Kings twosome who I think will be dominant in a very short amount of time).
Time will tell.
I read all about how the Clippers franchise is cursed
in that ESPN article that came out before last year’s draft. I read about all of the first round and even number one picks and star players who’s signings with the Clippers resulted in career-ending or career-altering injuries. I was like, “wow, that’s a serious string of bad luck there”, but I didn’t really believe it, or think it was anything more than coincidence.
but then, what happened? Griffin got injured and was out for the season, and I was like “WHAAAAAAAAAAAT!!???!”
I respect fandom, but man, that has got to be discouraging!
The questions isn't
whether the Clippers would be better if they keep Griffin and Gordon and somehow get Melo as well. Of course they would. The question is whether Melo would approve a sign and trade to the Clippers if Griffin was included. Because that’s likely the option. You can have Griffin or Melo, but not both. Someone else can top their trade offer otherwise. That’s the whole point of this post. Sure it would be great for the Clippers if they could get Melo without giving up any of their young potential stars. But it just ain’t happening. So its stupid to talk about.
no, it's not
your office should take kaman,aminu +minny pick. It is a lottery pick, a top 3 pick in 2012(very likely), and kaman can be traded for maybe another lottery, it’s a lot if you are rebuilding. But of course i overvalue my players and you do to with melo.
Still not as good as the KG deal
Melo is entering a way stronger part of his career than KG was.
I believe the Nuggets can do better than this if they do have to trade, but they definitely won’t do it now. It’s just not a good enough deal when they’ve stated they’re trying to keep him. You will have to blow us away to get him right now.
that seems wierd
you don’t think he is worth, what it will take??
I do
but I don’t blame you for valuing your current roster pieces, and I don’t blame you for not trying to make an offer at a time when the asking price would necessarily have to be ridiculous. My comment really was in light of the current “trying to keep Melo” situation, and I wasn’t trying to goad Clippers fans in any way.
Even if we were actively looking for trade offers now, I wouldn’t blame you for deciding to stay the course instead. You guys could potentially be on an upswing with a solid young foundation. I got the same sentiment from NJ fans (who I can only imagine must be on the road to improvement). They were unwilling to give up a big chunk of their young roster for a proven superstar.
I don’t personally think Melo will launch you into perennial contender status (which would be top 1 or 2 hands down); not the way Garnett sealed the deal for the Celtics when they formed the three amigos. If you were within reach of that lofty status, then Melo might be the kind of big-game player that could put you over the top.
I personally would rather keep Melo even if you offered Kaman, Gordon and a pick. If keeping Melo is a choice, I would reject just about every offer.
If we’re going to talk about a return on trading Melo, we’re going to reach that threshhold where other fanbases fold their arms and say “well we don’t want him then”. It’s happened with every fanbase so far. Then a fanpost like this comes up saying that the offers are pretty shitty compensation.
…and here we are.
I don’t blame you guys. Then again, like you, I also hope you don’t get him.
ok i like you are a classy guy
and that’s a good answer. For the record, i do hope we get him just not ruining our young core.
Aminu is a young potential star, too...
and he and Griffin have played the same number of regular season NBA games: zero.
Why wouldn’t you accept Aminu instead of Griffin?
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"We're just the same old Clippers. That's all we are. We're just the same old Clippers. We want teams to continue to take us lightly."
- Sam Cassell
Griffin's a former #1 pick.
Therefore, the Clippers have a lot more invested in watching Griffin’s development than in watching Aminu’s development. Griffin is also a better selling point to Melo than Aminu. And Melo would probably be more likely to sign an extension with Griffin instead of with Aminu – and again, no extension, no deal with any team.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"We're just the same old Clippers. That's all we are. We're just the same old Clippers. We want teams to continue to take us lightly."
- Sam Cassell
That's it...
Griffin, Kaman, Aminu, Gordon and a first for Balkman. Done deal. Bada-bing, bada-boom!
Wait a minute, are you trying to imply that the Clippers would rather keep Griffin than Aminu? That’s crazy talk.
After all, Aminu is a young potential star, too… and he and Griffin have played the same number of regular season NBA games: zero.
Why wouldn’t you accept Aminu instead of Griffin?
and don’t try to tell me Griffin is a former #1 pick… that’s just crazy Clippers homerism.
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