Warkentien and Chapman are gone
by Agaliarept on Aug 3, 2010 3:25 PM MDT
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The Denver Nuggets official Twitter, along with various news outlets, are reporting that Denver Nuggets executives Mark Warkentien and Rex Chapman will not be returning for next season.
http://twitter.com/denvernuggets/status/20248799945
http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/20249388926
The Denver Nuggets announced today that the contracts of executives Rex Chapman and Mark Warkentien will not be extended for the 2010-11 NBA season. "Mark and Rex have played important roles in our success over the past several seasons," KSE Executive Vice President Paul Andrews said. "However, after meeting with both individually in recent weeks, we decided it would be best for all parties to go their separate ways. We appreciate everything that each has done for the organization and wish them nothing but the very best in the future - http://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/nuggets_frontoffice_20100803.html
What I find interesting is the speculation about who we may replace them with:
Expect Nuggets to take strong look at Raptors exec Masai Ujiri and Wiz exec Tommy Sheppard as next GM. Kroenke loves both former employees. - Marc Spears (http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/20249487156)
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Saw this one coming
I just hope they don’t put some clown from Toronto in th……DAMMIT
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Sad thing is,
Watch Wark end up in Phoenix or some other conference rival.
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Jailblazers!
That’s why I’m not worried about where Wark ends up.
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Prithard!!!!!
We need you!
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pritchard*
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Hell no, that guy is an ego maniac
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This is a bad sign for the Melo thing
Wark was BIG in Melo’s corner in the FO…..now there’s a serious question
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Ugh this is not good....MELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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It's not guaranteed, but Melo and Wark were tight
and the “wing” of the Nuggets that was in Melo’s corner was Wark’s (Chapman was the one who leaked that Melo could be “traded”)
and JR is in serious question as well
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I really would not want to see JR traded or Melo not re-sign
As much as I love Chauncey, it’s Melo’s team……..
/sad Cat
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Expected
I think this is what many of us expected. I think it will be the same set up as with Wark and Rex the Nuggs will find someone to be the face guy while Bearup makes all the moves. Which obviously has worked well in the past.
Masai Ujiri would be great! I would be shocked if Tommy Sheppard came back to Denver for this job, unless they really spice it up as a V/P level job title.
Why would Ujiri be so great?
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 3, 2010 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
How much is Kroenke willing to spend on a GM? If he’s willing to spend a lot on a GM, then the Nuggets would be fools not to go after Pritchard.
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Update: Melo not expected to sign an extension this summer
You guys might be right about this hurting Melo.
@AlexKennedyNBA: Sources close to the situation don’t expect Carmelo Anthony to sign an extension with the Denver Nuggets this summer. – http://www.twitter.com/alexkennedynba/status/20252370224
@AlexKennedyNBA: Anthony is leaning towards testing free agency next offseason, said sources on the same day that the Nuggets let go of Warkentien, Chapman. – http://www.twitter.com/alexkennedynba/status/20252947856
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by Agaliarept on Aug 3, 2010 3:58 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Guh...
I have to get this off my chest. If Melo walks it’s on Stan Kroenke. The timing of this move is AWFUL. I’m not sure why this needed to happen now, yes, both were up for extension, but if they weren’t going to keep either guy they SHOULD HAVE LET THEM GO SOONER!!
God this shit pisses me off.
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Just because Melo doesn't sign the extension this summer,
doesn’t mean he won’t at all. He does have until 2011 right?
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Unlikely
Because the current CBA will expire by then.
Unless things stay the same, or god forbid get better, for the players with the new CBA, an extension now or FA in 2 years are really his best options.
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by Agaliarept on Aug 3, 2010 4:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Or wait, unless you mean before then end of the season in 2011
But then we’d have to be looking like we’re winning it all or something.
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by Agaliarept on Aug 3, 2010 4:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Who is this Alex Kennedy guy?
Why does he say Melo wants to test free-agency? Who is he?
I will miss Wark more than anyone, but a good GM is only good because he works with an already good team and makes them better. Also if a GM joins a team at the right time he can look good as well.
The main guys we need to keep are Dean Oliver and Brett Bearup. I know Oliver was responsible for convincing the FO to get Lawson and Bearup does a lot of the behind the scenes work.
Wark created the jail blazers and people hated on him when he joined.. Also I remember Colangelo was really good in Phoenix, but sucks in Toronto.
I am hoping the new GM keeps JR, and tries to get a lot of value for KMart.
He's a sports reporter
and possibly one of the few reporters in the entire business that I actually respect.
The thing you’re overlooking is that he’s a sports REPORTER, not just a sports writer. As in actually having credentials and sources and such. I’m not saying that his sources are always right, but the fact is he’s reporting news from other people, not just busting stuff out of his own ass. Personally, I’m inclined to trust him and his sources over many other writers.
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Trust?
The kid is 18 and once reported that Lebron was gonna sign with the Clippers or some bull shit liek that. He is one of the ones I can’t stand on HW.
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 3, 2010 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought you wanted an FO shakeup jpage?
I am still not worried about Melo not resigning…I am more worried about us trading JR for nobody.
Melo will re-sign if he sees a winning team. It may take a little bit of the regular season to convince him of that, but if he has the right help he will stay.
If the FO doesn’t get him help then I won’t blame him for leaving.
Trading him now would be stupid, keep him and see where it goes.
I remember Kobe wanted to be traded from LAL and that same year they made the Finals after getting Pau Gasol.
The beauty of Sports is we don’t know what is going to happen during the season or postseason and I do believe Melo will stay if he believes he is on a team that can win.
I did....absolutely
The timing of this STINKS. When you are trying to build something….do it before FA. That is what I was advocating. This whole thing just is….dunno…counterproductive. The timing of this is awful considering what they are waiting for.
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I agree
The timing does stink, but of something. If the FO knew Wark and Chapman both weren’t going to be here this year a long time ago, I feel they would have done something about it then as there would have been no reason to delay the announcement. But I just think this is a really akward time with FA coming to an end. You would think if they wanted new guys in they would have done it before FA and even the draft so they could do something this offseason.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 3, 2010 11:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Shit.
Not a good day to be a Nuggets fan
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Now i have to go to School.
With this stuck in my mind
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It's natural for a sports writer to link the GMs leaving to Melo not re-signing
Too soon to know how this will play out.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 3, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
.
Anyone other then Pritchard, is a failure. We need him, and he is by far the best GM available to us
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esp. if melo is gonna test free agency
and we might be looking at rebuilding this team around Ty. we must get pritchard, IMO.
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
Possibly unrelated but
Melo is preparing to sell his Denver home?
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by Agaliarept on Aug 3, 2010 4:11 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
It's been on the market for over a month
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Yeah
Old news. I thought I had heard it before somewhere, but wasn’t sure. Thanks.
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by Agaliarept on Aug 3, 2010 4:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The thing is though, even if we get a good GM like Pritchard
What does that even mean? We HAD a great GM in Wark, and we still couldn’t convince Melo to extend.
Bottom-line, I don’t think getting a good GM is enough. It’s likely that it’s going to take an actual MOVE of some sort. And since there aren’t any big FAs left (other than like T-Mac o_o), maybe a blockbuster trade?
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by Agaliarept on Aug 3, 2010 4:15 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Pritchard is not a good GM
That guy has a massive ego, is somewhat suspect on talent evaluation, and rubbed his star players the wrong way. There is a reason he was fired from Portland, trust me, if you want Melo to leave, Pritchard will make it happen, and free agents won’t be wanting to come here.
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What the Frak?
What kind of operation is Stan running here? None of the timing here makes any sense. If you’re gonna tell one or both of them to walk, then why not do it before the draft and free agency? Why do it now, when there’s already a bunch of public speculation about Melo’s contract.
I was holding out hope, but this means Melo is gone. Hopefully we can enjoy one last season…I think I’d rather see them make a run for the championship (which wasn’t out of the question lst year before George got sick) and risk being LeBron’d than trade Melo before the deadline for the best available poo-poo platter.
by MikeyLikesNuggets on Aug 3, 2010 4:20 PM MDT reply actions
wow
i agree, 1 last run. its weird thinking melo could leave and jr/kmart are coming off the books.
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
The glass half full perspective...
Maybe letting these two go signals that the Nuggets will bring in someone else promising, or are consolidating decision making. Rex hasn’t exactly been inspiring confidence in his abilities (remember him saying after the season imploded that if they’d known key bigs would get injured, they would have come up with a backup?) and I’m being swayed more and more by other posters on this site that Wark is overrated.
Is it possible that Melo views this as a positive development? Before I get jumped on, I’m just trying to view this from more than one angle. I will agree that in retrospect, since we didn’t do anything in the draft, there was no reason to have not announced this sooner given the Melo situation. Who took credit for the Al Harrington pick up, BTW?
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 3, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Update: Another candidate for GM?
@SpearsNBAYahoo: Former Suns GM David Griffin is also strong candidate for Nuggets GM opening, source tells Y!
I haven’t seen any news on Pritchard yet.
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by Agaliarept on Aug 3, 2010 4:23 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Wouldn't be apposed to that
The Suns organization has been one of the top 5 of the past decade and he’s had a large hand in it.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 4, 2010 12:01 AM MDT up reply actions
NBA.com mentioned Pritchard... but at this point it's all speculation
once they start interviewing then we could call them rumors
Well...
…this is just awful news even though a lot of us saw this coming. Can you imagine how next season is going to be with Melo not signing this extension? Even a very moderate Nugget fan should be able to see how bad this is going to be next season. Is Melo even going to be interested in playing hard, with the Nuggets next season? Are the fans going to get on his case, realizing he is all but gone?
Whoever is in this so-called FO we have, will be forced to make a deal for #15.
F!
Melo not playing hard only hurts Melo in the long run
He’s too competitive to just quit…..
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Indeed
He’s not built that way. Say what you wll about Melo but you can never say winning isn’t his top priority. There’s no way he quits on them the way LeBron did to Cleveland. And it would be bad for him- if it’s his contract year he wouldn’t want to sabotage his value. More likely he’ll have his best season yet.
by MikeyLikesNuggets on Aug 3, 2010 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Not so sure
He is Carmelo Anthony. He still will be in next Season. So even if he takes a step back, comes out of shape to training camp and doesn’t play hard all year, he’ll still get a max, mulit-year deal next season
by MZG on Aug 3, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't imagine if he takes a powder on his final year of his contract how that
helps him earn a max contract…
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i have the bad feeling, that melo days i denver are over
maybe the fo is not returning because they knew melo wasn’t gonna resign.
if we have to trade melo, we have to go straight into rebuiling mode, because we won’t get the package that melos brings to the table in return.
Contact Me!!!!
I’ll replace them both and bring a championship to the Nugs within 2 years or I am gone!
I still don’t see what this has to do with Melo signing his extension. He doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy that loves his boss so much that he won’t sign a new contract if his boss leaves. Seriously, is Melo that attached to some overweight middle-aged guy that he won’t sign a mega-zillion dollar contract to play basketball because that guy is now gone?
the fo not returning
indicates that they failed to convince him to sign that extension offer. maybe.
by MZG on Aug 3, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
If you connect the dots, Rex and Wark were given until 8/1 to sign Melo or lose their jobs. Melo not signing is absolutely related to them leaving but probably not vice versa. Melo is doing the smart thing and waiting to see what happens. The extension is on the table indefinitely. It’s Melo’s only leverage before a possible lock-out/walk-out. It is the only smart thing to do.
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Maybe MELway knew this
and didn’t sign because of this. Just a thought…
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by Joelsopinion on Aug 4, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Some more information on the issue, this time from Chris Tomasson of FanHouse
Talked to Paul Andrews, Kroenke sports Exec VP. Most interesting thing he said was Rex Chapman wasn’t even designated by NBA to make trades. – http://twitter.com/christomasson/status/20256704164
Each team is allowed by NBA to have two designed negotiators. For Nuggets, it was Warkentien and VP Josh Kroenke, owner’s son, not Chapman. – http://twitter.com/christomasson/status/20256777100
This will delay Carmelo Anthony’s decision even more whether to take extension. Told me in June might wait year even before today’s shakeup. – http://twitter.com/christomasson/status/20256919019
and Alex Kennedy’s news is being taken seriously by some people…even here on SBNation: http://www.sbnation.com/2010/8/3/1603761/carmelo-anthony-not-sign-extension-nuggets-2011-free-agent
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He rarely does.
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How to Proceed?
So if this information from Kennedy has merit – how do the Nugs future FO proceed? Obviously, we wouldn’t want to take on salary with Okafor, Biedrins, etc. if Melo isn’t staying. Puts us in kind of a holding pattern or in limbo.
Options are looking like
1. Explore for a trade to get as much value back as possible now.
2. Hold out and wait and hope he still signs the extension (pretty much has till the end of the season).
3. Go into immediate rebuilding mode via either trade or FA
4. LET Melo’s contract expire, and use the offseason to SHOW Melo that we still care in hopes that he’ll re-sign.
Any other ideas?
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#4 has to be the way to go
Because I see no way that Melo would leave if we made it back to the WCFs, and even if we didn’t the amount of expiring money we have is going to be enough to sign some significant pieces which would prove to Melo that we are still committed to winning.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 4, 2010 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions
MelOOOOVER?
Don’t under-estimate the power of an NBA lockout to help someone make a decision. Also look for the “new” GM to make “exciting” player moves quickly to put a stamp on their tenure.
It will still be fun basketball to watch…!
Good point of view, I like it.
Wark and Rex being dismissed may have opened the way for a “Bob Sugar” type GM to come in and make some exciting moves. Maybe Kroenke got tired of Wark and Rex’s same old two step?
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by Joelsopinion on Aug 4, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I see it being the opposite... but neither of us know for sure
I was just thinking, when was the last time a recently hired GM made a big trade or signing?
it took Portlands new GM weeks to sign Mathews and they overpaid him a lot too…
Melo will wait to see how good we are AND...
How good other teams are. If he’s really gauging what to do next he’ll be looking at all the angles. <— or at least he should be…. wait what am I saying he should sign NOW! LoL
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 3, 2010 5:26 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Really? This sucks
Does anybody else think the fact that we didn’t land a big man was the reason why they didn’t get extended? My gut tells me that that was the reason behind this.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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No, they were gone already
There was not one word or direction by anybody in the Nugs org that either Rex or Wark would be kept.
This is nothing more than just ending the string. Their contracts have now expired so now they’re no longer with the team.
Son of Stan is growing up so Stan feels the team no longer needs Rex & Wark.
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Big Man
Mini Hulk, IMHO I’m not sure signing a big man would have sealed the deal with Melo signing his extension BUT not getting one may have made it easier for him to still be mulling over his options – wish we could get into his head! Does ye really want to play for the Knicks so badly or is he just thinking it through slowly
I didn't say anything about Carmelo, now did I?
This has nothing to do with him. Even if Anthony signed the extension, they would have been gone.
The fact that they didn’t get the job done sealed their fates, at least that’s what I’m thinking.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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Nope, you're all good
I can understand why Anthony’s name would pop “out of nowhere”
Kinda used to it now and days. :p
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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And the Melo watch is so tight right now that I think Stan buying a new tie would trigger several Tweats and posts about the tie's impact to Melo's signing
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Lol!
Anything Denver does will have something to do with Anthony.
Watch: Smith scores 30+ against the Heat. How will this impact Carmelo Anthony and his extension signing?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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considering MElway just "Tied the Knot"
You’re prolly right
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 3, 2010 7:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not worried about Melo not re-signing right now
1) He is a competitor and will probably work his butt off to be in MVP contention this season
2) A lot of things can change in a season. We can be really,really good if some mid-season trade goes down which we can’t see right now.
3) If I were Melo, I am thinking I am on a team that only got out of the first round once and unless they get me some help I am going to look at free agency.
4) The lockout will definitely be incentive to re-sign, but currently we don’t know whether it is happening or not.
5) Carmelo has till next July to re-sign!
I still like thinking about Kobe demanding a trade in 2008 and LAL almost traded Kobe to SAC for Ron Artest lol. People don’t remember that. Then later on in the season Gasol comes around and LAL goes to the finals. Relax fellow stiffs.
The only thing I hope is that we get a good GM that doesn’t think about trading Melo like an idiot. We are better off keeping him for one last run. We will NEVER get anything of value in return for him in a trade.
I think all the Marc Spears posts is just Marc throwing mud against the wall to see what sticks
Where is it stated the Nugs have to bring someone in? My feeling has been this was addition through subtraction by Stan; remove Rex & Wark, give more responsibility to SoS with Bearup still lurking around.
I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if someone was hired; but I don’t think that’s the current plan.
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FUUUUUUCK
I actually have heard that Wiz guy is a smart GM but I’ve never heard of the Raptors guy… I’m hoping for Pritchard, but that’s a pipe dream…
I remember Travis Heath saying the Nuggz really want this guy something Oshley from LA Clippers… idk who he is though…
I just hope we don’t cheap out… GM and FO is key to a sucessful team…
another name I’ll throw it is Danny Ferry, who’d prob be my 2nd choice behind Pritch
Don't be so negative.
Stan obviously has something up that sleeve of his if he’s letting them go.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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or he didn't want to pay them a lot for their contracts.. the two canidates being mentioned Sheppard and Urjil (sp?) both sound like cheap replacements...
I know it’s not all about names, but in NBA trading and free agency having a well known/ respected GM helps a lot, look at how much of a difference Pat Riley does in Miami… I firmly believe the Miami Thrice isn’t assembled in Miami if any other GM was there…
I just hope we could get someone with experience b/c rarely do teams find no names that become good GMs (I think of Presti or Wark off the top of my head)…
by hvino on Aug 3, 2010 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think money has a BIG impact on this
I really don’t.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Couldn't agree more, in fact rec'd
When I first read the names of replacements for Wark and Chapman this was exactly the thought that popped into my head. I mean, lets get real here for a second, has there been any time in the last few years that Stan has indicated he’s willing to spend more than he is willing to save? Think about all the moves we’ve made specifically to save money. Camby was the worst, but then you look at the AI trade which many believe was more in order to save than to find a better fit for the team. When was the last time Stan allowed Wark to make an expensive move that made us a lot better even though it cost us? The answer really, is never. You know with Wark being a well established GM (GM of the year) that he’s going to garner a lot of money for his next contract because of his reputation, and suddenly when it comes time to pay the man Stan fires him in favor of some unknown and unestablished guys from two horrible franchises. Something just doesn’t smell right to me. Just looking at the big picture, since Wark has been here he’s put together some really incredible teams and got us to the WCFs and this was including two clear salary dumps for a former MVP and DPoY. Why, if you were Stan would you let that success walk out the door, especially at this point in time with Melo in the final year of his contract and close to 20 mils worth of expirings? Idk, I guess I just don’t get it, and the only thing I can point to is the money.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 4, 2010 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe Stan has his head so far up his ass with the Rams, he forgot about the Nuggets
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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While the Billups trade saved us some money (not much) short term... it did actually cost a lot long term wise...
Chauncey’s deal is a couple of years longer and if McDyess didn’t get bought out then we would’ve only saved like $2 mill that year but have CB’s long deal and another year of McDyess
Wow
There have been some money motivated moves, bu the two examples you picked are the worst possible examples. Both of those were excellent basketball moves that made the team immediately better. Camby’s only value was on defense, and the Nuggets were a better defensive team when he was not on the court. So getting rid of him made them a better team. And Billups was clearly a better player at the time of the trade and had a game that projected to age much better.
Bad money moves: paying Memphis a 1st to take Hunter, selling a second last year instead of taking Blair.
I'll give you AI
But what I was saying, or trying to convey, was that even at the time AI was still considered the better player by a lot and it was simply a salary move for that year. With Camby though, that was a pure, 100% dump. And say what you want to say about Camby being whatever, but the bottom line was he was a DPY, and one of the best, if not the best rebounders in the league. He was also a top 5 center at the time and is still putting up incredible numbers, now only he’s doing it for a division rival. It’s just funny that quite possibly Wark and Champan were relieved of their duties because of the lack of a big man, Melo might leave if he doesn’t get a big and the Lakers dominate us in the frontcourt, and yet Stan was the one who wanted Camby out in the first place for money issues. It’s bull shit if you ask me. And for the record, if you think we were a better team without Camby you’re crazy. The entire team was committed to playing no defense prior to Camby’s departure. It was only after that time Karl and the rest of the crew realized their only defensive player was gone that they got together as a team and Karl demanded that they play defense. If he did that while Camby was here who knows how good we could have been.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 4, 2010 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
I wish that we actually got something in return for camby. imagine if we had gotten a pick from the clipps, instead of giving it up. or gotten a young project C to back up Nene.
Many thought we could have at least got a first round pick from them
If that was the case wouldn’t that mean we would have had the #1 pick in the 2009 draft and got Blake Griffin?
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I HIGHLY doubt it would have been unprotected
but that way we would have probably gotten #7 this year and prob a 2nd.
Get Pritchard in here
I think he may be the best guy to get Melo to sign and commit
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Why Ferry?
I didn’t really see anything desirable about what he did with his situation in Cleveland.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 4, 2010 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions
No way
Pritchard bascially pissed off Roy and the rest of the talent on the Trail Blazers, there is a reason he was given the boot. Danny Ferry is a much better option.
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the reason he was given the boot
was Gred Oden. Kevin Durant is suddenly a top 5 player in the NBA and Oden is nohing but a few knee surgeries.
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 3, 2010 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions
that's not true at all..
obviously drafting Oden over Durant was a mistake, but it’s easy to look back it now and say it was dumb…
Look back at some of the articles/ draft reports prior to that draft… Oden was faster, stronger, taller and bigger than Durant and was looking like a better version of Dwight Howard…. the only reason it didn’t pan out was b/c Oden had some unlucky injuries and I don’t think Pritch was going to use the #1 pick on Durant when Centers are so hard to get… Obviously Durant is a much better player now, but at the time 10 out of 10 GMs would’ve done the same thing….
the reason Pritchard was fired was because his ego got to big and was claiming all the credit for every smart move (like getting Batum, Fernandez, trading Foye for Roy!, trading Tyrus T for Aldrige, clearing all that cap space, and all his draft miracles) even though it was largely due to the owners spending, the amazing scouts they have and Tom Penn (who is also currently available)…
Besides, I think they got a pretty good replacement in Cho… seems like he could be the next Presti/ Pritchard guy without the ego…
With all that said… I would still chose Pritch just b/c he’s proven he can rebuild a team, draft amazingly (no question the best draft day trader in the NBA) and improve a winning team…
He also got the same problems that caused WArk/ Chapman to fired/ released… his team dealt with A LOT of injuries (more than our Nuggets did) and he got semi- blamed… even though he managed to find great replacement like Camby and Howard…
where the hell
are you getting all of this?
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 4, 2010 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Pritchard pissed off Roy and other star players?
Haven’t heard that one before. Do you have a link that backs that up? I’ll buy that he was fired because he pissed off owner Paul Allen, but I don’t remember seeing anything in the Portland press about KP rubbing players the wrong way.
I agree that he probably wouldn’t be a good match for the Nuggets, unless you folks want to blow up the team and rebuild with “character guys” via the draft.
One problem I see is that when was the last time a new executive to a team pulled of a move after they were hired...
most of them either wait a while or go for a safe signing b/c they don’t want bad publicity… I’m positive we need a vet or savvy GM like Pritchard or Ferry to make Melo confident in our teams directions
Nope, that's the year after.
This will be the “If Denver doesn’t do shit in the Playoffs, Carmelo Anthony is gone” year.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Does anyone think it'll be Josh Kroenke and George Karl running the show?
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Naa
I think it will bethat dude from Toronto the Urija guy or whatever it is.. apparently both Kronke and Karl love the guy
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 3, 2010 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
nah maybe for a week but I guarantee they don't do anything
I’ve read that we’re likely to find a replacement soon… and apparently David Griffin is the lead canidate… but idk how you could have a leader without any interviews… my hopes are still up for Pritch or Ferry, but I guess Sheppard, Griffin or that Toronto dude would be okay (better than BEarup, Josh and KArl)
With these two gone
Does it mean that this is diffidently Anthony Carter’s last year?
nah as long as GK is here, expect Carter to be here too...
But maybe we’ll luck out and he’ll replace Mosley as an assistant (although Karl has said he likes non- players to be coaches, hence him choosing Mosley)
But don’t a lot of the good coaches in the NBA stem from George Karl and Greg Popovich?
I wonder if his 2 other favorite PGs (Chauncey and Payton) become two great coaches too, where as AC could be a decent assistant
If you look at great nba coaches
They are all guys like AC, scrappy bench warmers. Two huge names that come to mind are Phil Jackson and our very own George Karl. Superstars ( Adrian Dantley) dont always know how to handle situations because they are out there playing, unlike AC types who watch on the bench.
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Whoa, wtf?
Did not see this coming when the Denver Stiffs home page popped up. I’m definatly not excited about this discision, but like all things we should wait and see how this pans out. Right now I say we get a “Sign Pritchard” petition going asap.
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same exact reaction...
I came home from a long as day and tired as fuck… check this site (like always) and see the headline and my immediate reaction was “Pritch better at least be interviewed”
Didn't the Suns go trough the same where Kerr their GM left then Amare' left?
I think i know where this is going, sadly….
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kerr left because he wanted to show amar'e the money
and the owner wanted him to take less money.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
Not too surprised
If we wanted to bring them back the Nuggets should have announced it first thing at the start of summer. I think what it means is that Bearup went out and made the Harrington deal happen, and Mark and Rex have been dead men walking since the draft.
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That's what I wanted to know
The more I’m finding, it sounds like it was all Bearup on the Harrington deal. From a Marc Spears article last month:
Denver was also helped by the fact that Harrington’s former financial adviser Bret Bearup now works in the Nuggets’ front office.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 4, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess this means no more of Wark's amazing diamond in the rough findings
idk another GM who gets amazing cheap NBA players (like AAA, JR (originally), Bird, DJ and potentially Shelden) that others seem to give up on
yes but its debatable whether they work out in the end because of Wark and friends or...
Because of the coaching staff…
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 4, 2010 2:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, somehow I doubt
Wark was the only guy responsible for finding the guys like AAA, J.R., Bird, Dahntay, and even Petro.
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petro was hardly a steal
we gave up a first for him.
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