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If the Yahoo Sports article on Carmelo Anthony is accurate, and if I were advising Josh Kroenke, Bret Bearup and Masi Ujiri I would one thing only.
Cap space is better than draft pics in this case. Letting Carmelo walk at the end of the season benefits the Nuggets in a great many ways.
Now....there are some of you who will scoff at this notion, however, there is value in not giving in to the likes of Worldwide Wes and CAA. You prove a point that you're not going to be pushed around by thugs (I say this based on their reported behavior).....seriously. Why be forced into a bad trade for iffy talent and "potential". Particularly if losing Melo means George Karl walks at the end of the year. Do the fans of Denver want to go through THIS again? No....If Melo walks you free up 18 million in additional cap space.
Melo: 18 million
Kmart: 16 million
JR: 6 million
I'm no math major....but methinks that adds up to 40 million. Also, lets keep in mind Chauncey would most likely restructure his deal to stay in Denver. That's additional space made. And Nene's contract is up the following season. He can either restructure or retire or get moved.
Lets also take this in to consideration. What's the point of acquiring "draft picks" (in which the Nuggets have a bad history anyway) if there will be a lockout next year? Think about it. What's the point? If there's a hard cap the Nuggets will be sitting pretty on the other end, in better cap shape than anyone else, ready to take advantage when teams shed payroll to get under the cap.
I understand that people think we should get younger and rebuild. Fine....but if you have the cap space for proven players why not explore it? Why is it a gamble when we will be rebuilding anyway? No team is going to gut their roster for us, and quite frankly I wouldn't if I was looking to trade for Melo. Teams know they have the Nuggets over a barrel and they intend to exploit it.
I know it's not a popular position, but I think the cap flexibility and the uncertainty of the lockout (even if there isn't one the Nuggets STILL have plenty of cap space) makes letting Melo walk (plus taking a stand against being pushed around by Worldwide Wes) just as attractive.
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Agree
And if there’s issue, you just tell Melo to stay home and get paid while the FO explores trade options, T-Mac and Starbury style.
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Aug 27, 2010 12:43 PM MDT reply actions
+1000
Then don’t trade his ass and he won’t be playing for two years of his prime. It could change the tide in the NBA. All the Nugs have to do is say the right things to the media and they won’t even create any ill will with the rest of the players in the league. I did a fanpost about this 2 weeks ago and not 1 person in 75 or so comments agreed with me.
I just re-read said FanPost
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by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Aug 27, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it's
Thursty for the purposes of this site.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 28, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
The landscape has changed a little from Aug. 17th.
A few weeks ago, there was still flashes of light saying that Melo might stay. We didn’t have a GM etc. But now I think you’ll see more people on board with this line of thinking. If not only to get at WWW and CAA
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Aug 27, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
And we still don't agree with you
Your suggestion involved lawsuits, suspensions, and withholding pay. That’s a major difference from the team agreeing to pay a player while he stays home.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 27, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
i'm reccing this
totally agree with everything. although i think it’s more like stan will be the one taking the hardline approach against WWW and CAA, and josh will focus on all the other things. stan’s pissed, and i can’t blame him. screw these outside influences. they need to understand their bs shouldn’t and isn’t tolerated.
I have nothing against agents
I’m an agent in the art industry. I protect my artists and make sure they keep their money. However, Worldwide Wes is a leech, and Rose is his lackey….they give agents a bad name and quite frankly I’m sick of their bullshit.
Crush em.
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Yep I'm with you
I have come to the conclusion that this is the way to go after seeing the type of deal Melo would garner if traded now, way below his true value. It may mean a crap 2011 season(if there is one) but the FA class is much better after that year I believe and we can still put out the best Nugs team this year and maybe do some good stuff.
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If not for the cap space
Then to show fans that you aren’t a pushover hack
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Jpage
Weren’t you arguing with me about this tactic 2 weeks ago on my similar fanpost? It is the only way to handle this situation unless the Nugs can make a trade with Houston for Scola, Martin, and 1 of the NY Knick first round picks.
Well....I think your approach was to "punish" Melo
this won’t punish Melo. He will still get his money. I’m talking about punishing World Wide Wes and Melo’s agent Rose….CAA.
Nah….I don’t wish Melo any harm at all. Plus, the trades we get in return are CRAPOLA.
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CRAPOLA
as in Barkley to Suns for Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang…no thanks
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Aug 27, 2010 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Your plan also has the added benefit of one more run
with the current core players that got us so close just two seasons ago - assuming KMart and Bird come back healthy sometime midseason.
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by margabelle on Aug 27, 2010 2:48 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
this is what I'm saying
people who are planning trades are becoming prisoners of the moment. The Nuggets benefit in no way from getting draft picks and various scrubs from teams. If the Nuggets let Melo walk they get INSTANT cap relief when combined with Kmart and JR if no deal is done at the deadline. Combine that with Chauncey restructuring his deal (which I’m sure he will do) and what happens with Nene and you have the only team in the NBA who has the cap space to do anything after the lockout….and ready to pounce.
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by jpage78 on Aug 27, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree b/c I think Denver can convince Melo to stay for a couple of reasons
if we play hard ball (tell him we won’t extend and trade him) then it leaves Melo to two options:
1. Opt out and lose over $30 mil
or
2. Re-sign with Denver
by hvino on Aug 27, 2010 2:54 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Karl
Particularly if losing Melo means George Karl walks at the end of the year.
Karl walking at the end of the year would be an argument for moving melo, not keeping him!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 27, 2010 3:19 PM MDT reply actions
Interesting, I guess my question is this
Provided we get the cap space, my understanding is next year’s potential free agent class is slim and if there is a lockout, then it’s a mute point since no one will be able to sign anywhere anyways. So I am guessing the idea would be to be able to sign guys 2012, who would you think would be available and would they want to come to Denver.
Good post though
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what superstar would come to Denver (unless they overpaid) without Melo?
I’m just saying, but we saw it this year when it was the biggest free agency period ever, clearing cap space for FA is a huge risk.. even teams with big markets like the Nets and Clippers struck out, and NY had to overpay… no way a medium market team like Denver can sign a superstar… and as we saw with KMart, any All Star would require more money than he deserves…. but if Melo is hear, that means the team will be attractive to other free agents
by hvino on Aug 27, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's a fair point and one that continues to be poo poo'd by others
Fact is the greatest Nug FA signings are Walter Davis back in 88; Andre Miller and Al Harrington (who hasn’t even played yet). As it is Al has a get out of jail free card after next year if things go to pot.
The moral is NBA FA’s do not come to Denver, period. That leaves trade (usually a reason why a player is being traded) or the draft. And it took 21years for the Nugs to find another superstar after Skywalker was traded.
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by the word on Aug 27, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Alex English wasn’t a superstar? A washed up George McGinnis (who was a great player in his prime) for English was a steal trade. You just have to spot the up and coming guys who haven’t arrived yet and know when your star is washed up.
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Josh does nothing and smells like a rose? Wonderful now we'll have the crime fighting duo of Short Arm Stan and Teflon Boy...
I don’t agree about the Billups part; he’s not going to re-structure in order to stay with the Melo-less Nugs. He’ll work his way out of town too. Likely not restructure which will cause the Nugs to waive the final year then Billups goes back to Boston or to another team (oh, dear god the HEAT would have the MLE to chase him) for maybe not more money but for another legit chance at a 2nd ring.
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
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Speaking of cursed franchises
Anybody catch the latest with the Washington Expos? That franchise can’t catch a break even when they are trying to do things right.
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Apparently Melo read Kiszla's column
what’s goin on? I heard today’s topic was i care about being a Hollywood star over basketball. I guess they running outta shit to say. Lol
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Melo & Co. have demanded a trade. So what? People make demands all the time – it doesn’t mean you have to meet them, particularly when their only leverage is the knee-jerk fear of losing Melo for “nothing” (which, as jpage astutely points out, has its own upside). What’s Melo going to do if Kroenke just says, “Nope, not happening.”? Is he really going to sit out or dog it & risk driving his value down beyond what he’s already giving up in terms of max $ heading into a potential lockout year? Not unless he and his management are complete idiots. The Nuggets get a year of Melo on his best behavior and then rebuild, which we’re probably doing no matter what.
I think Melo & The Wonder Twins have made a serious tactical error here – they want him moved this season via sign & trade for max money, but they can’t do it without the Nuggets help, and by trying to strong-arm it, they’ve removed any incentive for us to give it. The only leverage Melo ever had was when we thought he could be convinced to stay. That’s over. Why do him any favors? Unless we get a truly blockbuster offer, make him play out his contract, and let the brain trust at CAA worry about where he lands and how much (less) he gets – it is officially not our problem anymore.
by CraftyB on Aug 28, 2010 12:52 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Wonderful the Wonder Twins vs Short Arm Stan and Teflon Boy in a winner take all cage match
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
Seriously though it's a 2 way street
Without Melo’s assistance, the Nugs won’t be able to trade him for little more than table scraps. What team frankly will pay top dollar for a player who has no intention on staying with them.
Ultimately, the trump card belongs to Melo. He can choose to do nothing, walk away from the Nugs, sign with the Knicks for less NBA money but make up the difference with a huge amount of Madison Ave money. And yes the Manhatten advertising money will more than make up for the NBA money difference.
Stan can pout and turn red in the face all he wants, but he can’t bully his way around that fact. Time to put your big boy pants on and play grown up businessman… you know the thing you’ve gone out of your way to avoid the last few years regarding the Nuggets.
I’m sorry, but please, we’re not in Kansas anymore; nor Denver nor St. Louis. All the Walmart money in the world that you refuse to spend doesn’t make you bigger than Madison Ave.
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From the speculated offers I've seen so far, we're barely getting table scraps now
If we have to rebuild no matter what (and I’m pretty sure we do at this point), what’s the difference? Melo’s under contract – he has no recourse if we don’t meet his “demand.” We can trade him whenever we want, and I think bidding wars out east will ensure us decent value all the way up to the deadline. So why not make him play out the year and see what happens?
Andrew & Nate:
Please post this fanpost on the front page. It is an alternate view worth front page readership.
Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.
The greater point of this fanpost is to get people to realize that
signing to the max extension and then trading Melo for table scraps is a cop out. Melo knows that he won’t see that type of money if he just leaves via free agency….so he’s trying (in part) to work a sign and trade. However, from everything I’ve seen he CAN be persuaded if he thinks that the Nuggets can be a contending team.
So all in all…..the Nuggets get cap space if Melo leaves (along with Kmart’s expiring contract which is untradable now…and JR’s troubled contract) OR we surprisingly contend, the FO makes a move at the deadline to get better….and Melo stays.
Both things wouldn’t happen if the Nuggets trade for other teams CRAPOLA
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In other words.....worst case scenario for Melo is he just leaves via free agency
he WANTS the Nuggets to trade him. That way he gets the money under the old CBA and he gets out. It’s his cake and eat it too scenario. If the Nuggets are smart they call his bluff and make him play out his final year.
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Melo hasn't "bluffed" yet.
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by Big Mickey D on Aug 29, 2010 7:18 AM MDT up reply actions
you know what I mean
just using an expression :)
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Absolutely!
Just reiterating that we don’t know anymore now about Melo’s position than we knew before the Woj/Yahoo article. You communicate it much better than I do, but I think we agree that all of this reactionary trade talk could turn into a mistake of epic proportions for the organization…
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by Big Mickey D on Aug 29, 2010 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Fantastic Point.
First time on denverstiffs and I already like it.
I came here after reading Kings Fan try to cook up their poop platter for Melo the last few days just to see what the take on this was, and I’m pleasantly surprised to see some honest thoughtful points. I came here with a trade idea that I haven’t seen before, but instead I’ll ask about the Denver management and their relationship with Melo. I expect you guys would know than I would, and certainly know more than any national columnist…
Is the relationship with Carmelo and the Nuggest really THAT fractured? He’s always seemed pretty solid (not as a player, where he’s special, but as a person where he’s obviously a guy that a team can build around and sell to the fans), and the Nuggets are a solid playoff team with him at SF. I’m honestly shocked that it’s gotten as bad as my national columnists tell me it is. Sometime tells me that there are other options for the team that to trade dump.
I guess my point was that there’s a lot of time to think about this and no need to rush into anything. What I think is a possibility is that while the elder K will certainly be unofficially running things for the Nuggets, the younger K could be the “voice of reason” that might be able to reach Carmelo Anthony and fix this whole thing. I really don’t know much about either the younger or elder, but I’m kind of hoping that the Nuggets don’t suffer themselves from CAA in this at all. If CAA is going to go the gutter like they have, let them lay there, and as some of you have pointed out, “call their bluff”.
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by ChrisCEIT on Aug 29, 2010 11:35 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I haven't read through all the comments
but i am going to give my opinion on the situation in this post. If Melo does indeed want to be traded then let him walk in FA and take the cap space if you cant get one of the 3 listed payers via trade; Blake Griffin, Favors, or Brook Lopez.
Now if you let him walk then I would sit down with birdman and Billups and see if they wanna lave or stay and respect whatever decision they make. After that Denver needs to build from the draft and when I say draft I don’t mean foreign players which is why i hate the signing of Ujiri because he is all about foreign players.
The future of the Denver Nuggets will rest upon the luck of the next 3 drafts and the ability of Ujiri being able to not only replace Melo, but bring the team back to high seeded playoff contention. With all of that said, I believe this is the start of about a 5 year down period with the Denver Nuggets. I hope I am wrong, but I believe it is imminent.
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+1 on billups and melo
Hopefully our 1st rounders go towards domestic players for the most part, but I am all for drafting euros in the 2nd. Gortat and Dragic are two good examples of what I am talking about, those guys are solid pros, and both were picked pretty late in the 2nd.
Agreed on all fronts
Though if Favors was the centerpiece of the deal, ideally I’d want a few throw-ins (draft picks, cash, whatever) as well
oh of course
If a deal is done with NJ and I was Ujiri I would demand Favors, Terence Williams, whatever big expiring contract they have and picks (prob in the 2nd round). I feel like that is the only logical and possible deal that will bring in the most value for Melo. If they can’t part with Favors then I think Denver should wait it out. The only other possible deal I would do involving Melo is him to the Bobcats with Gerald Wallace as the centerpiece to the deal. Wallace is a proven star in the league and may be enough to keep Billups around and enough for Denver to compete. The problem is would Melo like to be a Bobcat? I highly doubt it.
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 29, 2010 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Great thread
Got in on it late – just back to Milano from Corsica (highly recommended).
To put in my two cents:
I agree to let Melo and JR ( and Karl) play out their current contracts and earn their new ones by playing tough. I fear Kmart is washed up, so his value is probably just cap relief anyway.
Strangely, I think this team can compete as is (if Bird returns) – and even contend with points from Harrington, the emergence of Ty, improvement from AAA and rebounds from Shelden.
Add to that the satisfaction of not caving to those arrogant agents, and standing pat starts sounding pretty good.
I hope Melo reads this thread, just so he knows he doesn’t all the cards and that he is being poorly advised.

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