Wojnarowski: Nuggets and Melo parting ways appears to be inevitable...
As has been long suspected by many Denver Stiffs readers, Nuggets fans and those who cover the team closely (and yes, I'll include myself here), Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony appears desirous of playing elsewhere. According to a late-breaking report by Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski, Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke and Nuggets management are (rightly) playing hardball with Melo and his representation. If you're looking for a bad guy to blame here, I'd suggest aiming your ire towards "Worldwide Wes."
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Looks like the end of an era...
Well it does seem like all signs are pointing to Melo leaving Denver and personally he has been my favorite player since Chris Jackson. But after the grieving period I do feel a little excited about our future and the cap relief we should have next year. However we still need to find something worthwhile in return for Carmelo and I personally would love to see Blake Griffin in powder blue especially if some how we snag Eric Gordan and a couple picks even though I don’t think the money works since both are still on rookie contracts. Let the rebuilding begin back to the 90s!
I would aim my "ire" at Melo
For listening in on this Bullshit. He must be pretty fucking thick headed when you can plainly see Denver gives him the best shot at a championship. Fuck him. Send his ass to the Clippers where him and his wife can bask in the attention of Hollywood and stay in Kobe’s shadow… I like this trade a lot straight up.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3a8wuns
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So true
none of the teams that are being mentioned as possible destinations for Melo give him a better chance to win. Perso
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Do this
Throw in JR for the Clippers and Get Eric Gordan back. Then call it even.
Melo & JR for Kaman, Griffen & Gordon. I like that trade
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
done and done
Blake is going to be insanely good once he gets healthy… He’s like a Josh Smith just freak athlete
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 26, 2010 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I see him as the next Amare except with better defense
I agree, pull the trigger on that one first chance you get. I really want Melo to stay but if he’s dead set on leaving I’d be happy to wish him the best and boot his ass to the worst franchise in the league. No hard feelings though.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions
yes
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 27, 2010 3:06 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
wow, no way they make that trade. Id say Griffin and Kaman are untouchable.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
kaman isn't, griff prob is
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
for melo?
hahahaha are you fucking kidding me?
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 27, 2010 3:06 AM MDT up reply actions
No
Kaman is an all-star and Girffin was the 1st pick in the draft. Melo is no Wade, Kobe, or even Lebron. He isnt Durant. You dont trade an all star center and a potential all star for Melo. Eric Gordon is the best player the Nuggets will get in a trade with the clippers.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
You were begging for Melo last week. Now he's not good enough for you.
If he does go to Houston then he will be the greatest thing since bottled beer. Make up your mind already.
If Melo agrees to the 3 year extension
and then gets traded to LA, Denver can command whatever the fuck they want. If Melo doesn’t sign, then Denver has littler leverage and won’t get a nice deal. But if Melo signs the 3 year extension then it will become a bidding war between NJ and LAC. The players involved from the NJ front will be Terrence Williams, Devin Harris and picks with a very slighyt Chance of Robin Lopez being apart of the deal. With LAC Griffin will be the centerpiece with Gordon involved and maybe Kamen.
Denver wants young talent in return for Melo. They will get it. Melo is one of the top 5 pr 6 players in the NBA.
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 27, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Denver is too cool of a town to deal with this shit
Send him packing let’s get some guys are really dedicated to winning a championship. Don’t want no attention whore prima donnas…
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hi guys i read that this said the Bobcats were a Dark horse
i was wondering if you all thought that was possible or if it was all bullcrap?
I wouldn't hold your breath
Bobcats look a lot like the Nuggets, lots of wing players no bigs.
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yeah i just heard alot about you guys wanting to save money
but heck if he would actually leave Denver who knows what he would do to Charlotte haha
I see it this way
The article said Stan isn’t an easy guy to deal with once you get on his bad side, and if Melo truly ticked him off I see Stan shipping Melo to wherever gives the Nuggets the best deal period. If Charlotte wanted to give us Gerald Wallace Boris Diaw and two first rounders for Melo and JR Smith than consider it done.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions
only way we would give up Gerald is if Melo signed a extension
but a guy from ROF saw Mike Cranston the writer from AP say that the Bobcats have been in contact with the Nuggets but he doesnt know if its for Melo but it had to do with Charlotte being the 3rd team in a trade and sending Damp too Denver but that could be nothing and there was nothing that said it was seriouse or it was about to happen
I bet it would be something like JR Smith for Damp
Which would please a lot of people around here. As for Melo, of course he would sign the extention first.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Just saw that!!
Well it’s been quite the week. No matter what you think about Stan and his spending you have to respect his response to CAA management. Should be very interesting what type of value we get back and how quickly we can rebuild.
You also have to wonder if Al was an insurance policy more then an extra scorer off the bench.
by Boulder_Matthew on Aug 26, 2010 7:19 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Crazy week
I’m disapointed that Melo isn’t going to be a Nugget for life, but times change and I’m looking forward to a new team. I say make the trade before the season starts, lets get the new team asap, and get rid of a few contracts like JRs and Martins. Time to start over, it can be a bright future.
I can't give much respect to Short Arm Stan here
His indifference towards the Nugs while he chased visions of Arsenal & Rams is a huge reason how everything has ended up.
Stan is only responding because he got his feelings hurt… Too late to put your big boy pants on and play real life owner… the damage is already done; it’s too late and it’s your fault.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
+1000000000000000000
He should’ve spent the money to build a real contender, not just a team capable of Cinderella stories
I don't like Woj he's just way too opinionated and said the same things about Paul
He’s a well known LeBron and Knick hater… I think he’s just sticking with already published info from last week… I doubt Melo told Josh to his face “Trade me…”
All of this just doesn’t sound like Melo… besides every team listed is noticeably worse than Denver
I agree about Woj
But I do think the trades are probable. Keep in mind that if Kroenke is really playing hardball with Melo’s reps, then expanding the list of teams to be traded too seems reasonable. I wouldn’t mind trying to pry Favors and draftpicks from the Nets..
The Rockets arent.
We are very similar to the Nuggets with Yao and were way better with Melo and Yao.
Did you know Eric Berry was asexually produced by Chuck Norris?
Yao is DONE
dude is never going to be the same.
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Remember that
when we are in the second round of the playoffs while you and the nuggets are at home watching.
I love that Kroenke is
playing hardball and saying FU to CAA/Leon Rose/ WWW. It is sad that Stern and NBA Owners are letting Rose and WWW dictate everything in the NBA right now. I was never a big Kroenke fan but he just earned some respect for telling Melos reps to fuck off.
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 7:38 PM MDT reply actions
Also everything that Woj
wrote sounds nothing like Melo. Melo always came across smarter then that. But who know. maybe he is just like Lebron. If this article is true then Melo is no better then Lebron
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
IF this is true then there's obviously no need to keep him here
however….as other have pointed out. Woj is on a “Leon Rose/Worlwide Wes” crusade since the Lebron thing….and quite frankly none of that sounds like Melo. At all. Melo has always been respectful to a fault to the Kroenke’s and it just doesn’t jive with what we know of Melo.
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
Proving that you can be gay and not like Madonna, and rock out to Metal. .
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All Melo can do is say these reports are
BULLSHIT. But he’s silent like a Monk regarding this. Send his ass packing
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To be fair....this particular report has been out just a couple hours
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
Proving that you can be gay and not like Madonna, and rock out to Metal. .
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We've been hearing this crap for the last month
Melo hasn’t said anything that would put this to rest
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Favors? NO thanks
I don’t want a trade for Melo where the top player coming here has never been tested on NBA level.
Give me Lopez.
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Lopez, Murphy, Terrance Williams and 2 1st rounds
They can have Melo and JR
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if we trade with the Nets
I beg that we get Terrance Williams. That guy is so good, give him an MJ and he’ll be your Pippen
MJ's
are kinda hard to find haha
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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by Garrett Olsen on Aug 27, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
If i was Ujuiri
I would be calling New Jersey and Jay Z and try as hard as they could to pry Lopez away for Melo and then throw in Terrence Williams and D WIll for JR and Billups. Gives NJ time to win immediately and give Denver great young talent.
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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Get the torches ready
Because any trade of Melo is likely a precursor to a deal for Billups. I love Chauncey but he would offer very little value to a young and losing team. He needs to be on a veteran team that’s borderline contender/playoff status that’s in need of a PG(Portland, Houston, Orlando, Charlotte, Atlanta). We’d just be wasting his last few years here with a rebuild which is a disservice to him and doesn’t really do anything for us.
If Melo is gone, I don't think we'll be a lottery team
Still have Billups, Ty, Nene, Al and hopefully a healthy Birdman. While still having some trading chips in JR Smith and K-Mart
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Billups isn't going to stay
Billups is interested in winning and titles; especially in the final years of his career.
Why would he possibly stay with the circus of the absurd that Stan and Son of Stan are charading around with?
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
...Because he wants to retire as a Nugget?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Because he wants the team to pick up his lucrative contract option?
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 27, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Where's your farm?
I’d like to have a farm.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 27, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
its your farmtown isn't it?
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Aug 27, 2010 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Chances of us trading Lopez
are extremely slim, even for ’Melo. A more likely scenario is Harris or Favors packaged with Twill and 1st rounders.
If you don't think Melo is better than Lopez
Then you’re doomed to be a 7 win team like you have been… that’s ridiculous. Melo adds 20 wins to that team minimum… easily! …and without Lopez in the middle.
Uhhh
when exactly did I say Lopez is BETTER than Melo? I said we aren’t going to trade a fanchise center for him when we could create a package attractive enough to get him without including Lopez. 7 win team like we have been? Short memory.
Nets won't trade Lopez
For good reason. He’s young, cheap, plays a scarcer position, and is already very good. He’s essentially a young Pau Gasol. Nobody is crucifying Gasol anymore for the slew of 20 win Grizzlies teams he “led.” Big men like they aren’t dominant alphas like Howard or O’Neal but put a #1 with them and they’re pure gold. If I were the Nets, I’d laugh at any proposal that included him.
I'd laugh at any deal that doesn't include Lopez
Not like the Nuggets HAVE to trade Melo to the Nets. The Nets can’t actually strong arm the Nuggets… because if they wind up on the outside looking in at this sweepstakes, they’ll be that same 12 win team… BOOM!
BOOM!
too bad the Nets only have 3 players from last season, completely new coaching staff, new management, and new arena..
fail.
How does that show my ignorance exactly?
You won 12 games last year. And you have such upheaval that has left only 3 players standing from last year. What’s to say you can win more than 12 this year? Is yours the argument that “there’s nowhere to go but up”?
Stiffy, taking your rage out on a Nets fan?
You will probably be a 25 to 30 win team after Melo and JR depart. Nets will probably win 25 games maybe 30 this upcoming season. Same, same.
The reality is that Melo will go to the Knicks, and you will get pieces like Randolph, Azuibuke, and Turiaf.
If you don’t bite then Melo holds out mentally and his mind won’t be focused this upcoming season and he will become a FA and you get nothing…. boom…
The RaiderLaker
The Nuggets need to trade him sooner rather than later.
To prevent this kind of checking out BS. Get rid of him now if he really wants to go, so that we can get him while his value is high. If we hang on to him, his value could drop from injury or from coasting in games, lowering his trade value (I don’t think he would necessarily loaf, but you never know). Avoid all the mid season drama and get rid of him to the best offer before the season starts. Of course blowing it all up means Kmart, JR, and Billups are done too. And maybe Nene.
Also Nets fans...
Giving up a lot of parts for Melo isn’t outside the realm of possibility- your new owner wants a winner soon; he wants a star, and he can get it in Melo. Plus he has the cash to throw around.
BTW welcome to Denver Stiffs.
Awesome, thx. You guys can get a great piece in return if
you trade Melo to a desperate foe, and should still make the playoffs if you get that great player or good players in return.
I only wanted to get under Scruffy’s skin because of his disrespectfulness, hence, I stated you guys would get 25 wins which is false.. Again, thanks for welcoming me.
The RaiderLaker
My face is a little scruffy today, thanks for noticing
What gets under my skin (for the 100th time to you trolls) is that people are saying that guys are untouchable in a deal – THAT WOULD NET (pun intended) YOU CARMELO FREAKIN ANTHONY!
You guys should be offering up Ricky Williams-esque trades to us. Because if you don’t, someone will…
And I’ll say it again, I’d rather walk with nothing at the end of the season, make Melo sit out and get fat all year and start over clean than take on contracts like Devin Harris’ or gather a bunch of C+ to B- level guys like Randolph, Turiaf and Azubuike and their contracts. NO THANKS.
This coming from a nets fans
means jack.
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions
How does it feel to have a ton of
money and not have one superstar player come to your team. That means you guys do not appeal to superstar players
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions
And then...
They win the lottery next year and pick up Harrison Barnes, a younger, cheaper version of Carmelo and the Nets are still in better shape. I’m a Nuggets fan through and through but I’m also a realist. The Nets either A) get Melo for a price they’re willing to pay or B) continue to suck so bad they have a lot of ping pong balls on lottery night. Regardless, their long-term future looks a helluva lot brighter than the Nuggets sans Melo.
well doesnt that depend on what deal the Nuggets get for Melo?
Or can you see into the future?
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 26, 2010 9:31 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Lopez is no Gasol
Gasol lead Memphis to 50 wins in his 3rd year. Pretty much singlehandedly. Not exactly a “slew” of 20 win seasons. And I just don’t see Lopez taking NJ to 50 this season. Lopez is good, very good, but a lot of scouts think he’s pretty much tapped out his potential. Gasol is a top 10 guy in this league, and has been for a long time, prior to the Lakers deal.
Maybe, maybe not
Gasol actually had teams of 23, 28, 22, wins and half of a 22 win season (when he was traded to LA). So yea, in other words, a slew. I’m also in the camp thinking Lopez hasn’t reached his potential. He’s 22, most players don’t hit their ceiling till a few years later but it’s not impossible he’s done growing as a player, I just find it unlikely.
I don’t really think you can take those last two as any reflection on Gasol. He was injured for most of that first 22 win season, missing a ton of games and playing injured during a lot of the rest, and got traded after only playing 27 games for Memphis in the second one. But beyond that, Gasol is just a better athlete and a better basketball player than I see any chance of Lopez becoming. This isn’t really meant to be a knock on Lopez. I think Lopez is very good. It’s more that I think people severely underestimate just how good Gasol is.
You’re probably right in the fact Lopez will never quite reach Gasol’s level of play as he is a truly great player. But he’s gonna be close. And for someone like that, I wouldn’t give him up for previously stated reasons for a high usage, non-superefficient guy like Melo.
I’ll probably get crucified here for saying it, but in my opinion, Melo is a superstar in name only. Like Iverson was. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a very, very good player. But a true championship cailber #1? I don’t believe it. His secondary skills and scoring efficiency just aren’t quite there. Close, but not quite.
For most of Iverson and Melo’s careers I’d agree, but Iverson at his very peak and I suspect Melo’s at his, combine that high usage with an extra measure of scoring efficiency. I think you can absolutely build a potential championship team around early 2000s Iverson and, in my opinion, Melo the next couple years. If you check the efficiency type ratings for those guys, Iverson had some very high efficiency years and Melo has been really trending up of late.
Melo’s problem now is more about his secondary skills. He’s still elite-level efficient at scoring, at least not in the LeBron/Wade/Kobe/Durant area but he’s not too far off. The problem then becomes his usage rate vs. assist rate vs. TO rate. Melo’s usage rates are about the same as those other players, his assist rate is way lower, and his TO rate is just as high as any of them. So in other words, Melo is less efficient scoring (I’m using TS%), with lower assist rates but the same usage and TO rates. As I said before, very good, but not quite at those “true” franchise player levels.
As far as Iverson, his most efficient years were actually with the Nuggets, probably because he wasn’t forced to hoist as many bad shots due to having another good scoring option. His Philly years left a lot to be desired in the scoring efficiency area (once again, TS%).
Your an idiot
if you think he is not as good of a scorer as Lebron Wade Kobe or Durant. Lebron and Wade pure scorers. Melo Durant and Kobe are the best pure scorers in the NBA PERIOD. Melo is a top 5 NBA. You are just stupid if you think otherwise
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 27, 2010 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Melo is probably in the top 10 NBA players right now.
LeBron, Paul, Kobe, Wade, Dirk, DWil, Durant, Howard, maybe Nash and Duncan at least are all better than Melo. I might have missed a couple off the top of my head too.
Nash = 2 time MVP, Duncan = 2 MVP and 4 time NBA champion, Dirk = 1 time MVP.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Duncan is WAY past his prime
Nash and Dirk are anything but complete players, and also not the same players they were five years ago. Also, Melo> Kobe anyday.
Homerism!
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
about Kobe, maybe
the others arent even in the same league as melo
Carmelo<Kobe
Sorry, it’s true.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Magic= 3 time MVP, Bill Russell= 5 time MVP, Wilt= 4 time MVP
what is your point exactly?
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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Hard to argue with that
It must be a blessed life you live where what you say must automatically be true, despite what actual facts say.
The world is flat!
If you are responding to me then...
Listed here Melo has the 13 highest PER hollinger stats:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics
Since these stats are facts, I may have been overestimating his ability by 3 or 4 spots. He is still about top 10 material however.
No...
Responding to gnarlybroncodude. I absolutely agree Melo is in that clouded 8-15 range. He’s just not in that elite class of LeBron/Durant/Wade/Kobe as elite-efficient type scorers.
Then...
I agree. I still would have offered him max money to stay. The only way he gets that much now is if we do a sign and trade, thats only going to happen if we get a decent offer from another team to do it. If he does hit free agency, the new CBO is going to rape his wallet. So will taxes in NY.
On that...
I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree. I think that’s why he offered a list of teams instead of saying “Trade me to the Knicks or I’m opting out.” With a list, it increases the chances he gets traded (and paid) and it increases the Nuggets potential return due to multiple bidders. It’s win-win. Melo might end up being a lot of not-so-nice adjectives during and after this ordeal but stupid probably won’t be one of them. At least from a financial standpoint.
C'mon Avarice
You’re going to say that right now Tim Duncan is a better player to have than Melo? I like your thoughts typically but you know you’re off base there. Duncan is a shell of himself. I’d also rate Melo over D Howard and Nash in terms of guys I’d rather have on my team – right now. I don’t care what a PER tells me, I still want Melo over those guys as my building block.
TChizza… put Melo on that list of 4 guys you had there and there’s your top 5 scorers, not in that order necessarily. Melo is top 5. He can score as easily as anyone in the league, on any night, vs. any player, from any distance. Everyone knows that… so take that plus his scoring avg and how is he not in the top 5 of the most lethal scorers in the league? I’ll give you those other 4 are just as good, but give Melo some props too.
Stiffy, I’ve stated numerous times Melo is very, very good. I believe he’s one of the best 8-15 players in the league depending on how you define “best.”
I’m simply stating, again, he is not in the ultra-efficient level of scorers that Lebron, Wade, Kobe, and Durant have been/are in. Melo is probably 5th in scorers, but he’s on another tier. The first tier contains only those four players. Why is this so impossible to understand?
Melo
is on par with Kobe in career FG% right at the 45% mark. LeBron, Wade and Durant are all better by a max of 3%… FG% is an efficiency measure for scoring. On PPG, Melo is right there with all of them both in last season and career avg’s. Where do you look at efficiency otherwise? Being clutch (aka efficient in the end of the game)? Melo is top of class.
I’m not trying to fight with you on this, I don’t see where you think I’ve been condescending to you. Have I gotten a little pissy with trolls on here who are mocking our teams bargaining position and the userbase of this blogs fandom? Yes absolutely.
You're only using FG%
You’re ignoring 3 Pt%, and FT%, all of which factors in to efficiency. I generally use TS% when seeing scoring efficiency. When seeing overall offensive efficiency though, you need to factor in TO rate, Assist rate, and Usage rate. It’s those areas where those other players really distance themselves from Melo.
Melo is high because of offense...
Where I do think he is one of the best in the league. He is a pure scorer, and he can get some decent rebounds and a few assists. The knock on him has always been his all around game- mainly against his defense. It’s not there. Thats why I have him under Duncan even though Duncan is an old man. I agree with you that as a building block for the future, I would take Melo, but who has the better overall game right now? I would have to still say Duncan (even though I hate the spurs). I would also say Melo is better offensivly than Wade and maybe lebron. The reason those guys have better numbers overall is because they do everything well, not just score.
All this is true
But you are blowing this out of proportion. Melo is an underrated defender. Notice I say underrated not good. Underrated passer, underrated rebounder, ect. Get him under an efficient coach, and his numbers will blow up. If he were to rebound instead of running the break he would get 9+ a game.
What about Favors?
I think I’d probably take Favors, Murphy and Terrence plus a first rounder for Melo, JR and a second rounder. What about you guys? Also Harris I think is out of the question for us. We already have Billups and Ty Lawson, no need for another PG.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
This is the consensus trade on our board
And many are 50/50 b/c they don’t want to give up Favors before he even plays a game..I would do that trade though.
I dont think Melo will fetch that much value.
Maybe the draft picks, and a couple decent players. Teams know Denver basically must trade him (They could hold on to him out of spite and let him go as a FA in a new collective bargaining agreement), the Nuggets dont have a lot of leverage. They need to take the best offer they can get regardless of who it is.
Thats not true
The best option is getting a good package. The second best package is letting him walk and having a clean slate.
I didn't come here to talk
smack, but since you keep bringing up 12 wins, I should remind you that its your superstar who wants out and your franchise who will be rebuilding..
Then don't come here
You’re coming to a blog for Nuggets fans… who just might have the slighest amount of venom on their tongues right about now…. so take your laughing at any deal that includes Lopez and laugh somewhere else.
We still hold the chip here guy… Melo is under contract. He can sit at the end of the bench all year if we want him to.
Wrong
You will trade him because you want to maximize whatever assets you can accumulate. Going to let him sit on the bench and then lose him in free agency for nothing? I don’t think so.
And might I add i’ve posted on this board a few times and encountered plenty of knowledgeable, respectful fans..you aren’t one of them..oh well.
If the alternative is taking back Murphy, Harris, and T-Will or letting him go in free agency, I’ll take letting him go or doing a sign and trade for a trade exception and picks after the season.
What good is a trade exception?
You guys will be well under the cap next off-season.
You would renounce your trade exception for the cap room.
Trading for Murphy, who is an expirer, does not affect how much cap room you have next season.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 27, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL Jack Handy Jr
One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my little nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. “Oh, no,” I said. “Disneyland burned down.” He cried and cried, but I think that deep down, he thought it was a pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late.
My Favorite
Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be considered an enemy planet.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 27, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Well in terms of smack talk...
No matter how bad the Nuggets are next year, it will never be 12 wins bad. :P
I recommend an EDIT button...
So when I type fast responses I can quickly change what I typed. My written word is riddled with misspellings and errors…
Chill mayne
We need a little bit of other teams perspective about what they’d be willing to give up, don’t scare them all off!
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Just trying to have rational
respectful arguments, but clearly there are going to be a few bad apples.
Whatever dude
I’m no bad apple. But to laugh at a deal that includes Lopez when you’re getting Melo in return rubs the wrong way guy. The power is that there are other teams at the table… I was just stating what we COULD do if we felt like it.
And I’m with asdqqq… I’d rather have nothing in return than that poo poo platter that includes Troy Murphy, Terrence Williams and Devin Harris. Terrence Williams is the only guy with the slightest bit of intrigue on that list. But I’d rather start all the way over than take 2/3rd of the core of a 12 win team plus Troy Murphy’s ass. Sorry.
Denver will be
better then the nets even without Melo
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I can understand not wanting to trade Lopez, buy you are not going to get Melo without giving him up. Harris has a toxic contract and T-Will is just plain not good.
Just becomes...
Whether or not you believe in Favors. If not, the Nets won’t get Melo. If yes, then NJ is absolutely a possibility.
The Nets have a Russian billionaire owner promising playoffs, just struck out in free agency, and need a superstar to lead them into their new home. Melo is theres if they put Lopez AND Favors on the table. I could really see them doing this deal. Everyone wants to see their team fleece the other one in these kinds of deals, but the Nets come out of it with the best player in the trade, and that’s worth a lot in the NBA.
I just don’t see the reasoning for NJ. The entire plan is for them to have a team ready to go when they get in the new arena. They’re just treading water until them and seeing what assets they can pick up until then. Just look at their free agency period and more importantly, the length of the contracts. Prokhorov is a businessman first and foremost and his only care right now is blowing the NY metropolitan out of the water when they move to Brooklyn. If they can pick up Melo in the interim on their terms, then it speeds things up for them. Otherwise, they just keep waiting on their ping pong balls and hoping to land a superstar that way. The easiest, cheapest way to land a superstar player is still through the lottery and if the Nets are going to be as bad as everyone thinks they’re going to be, they’re gonna have a whole lotta ping pong balls.
I agree
but Prokhorov seems to be an impatient guy.
This is what I'm thinking too
Does he really want to sit around in the lottery for years, and then wait well those lottery picks grow up? From what I’ve heard of him, it sure doesn’t sound like it. That process isn’t getting you a championship in the next 4 years. Add Melo, they probably make the playoffs this year. Is it the best long term move for New Jersey? Maybe, maybe not. They’ll be a destination city pretty soon in Brooklyn, and could build more through free agency, particularly if they’ve got a lure like Melo to help bring those guys in. If they get Melo now and Chris Paul in two years? Then you’ve really got something.
You can’t build through free agency. That’s a fallacy. You can absolutely add through free agency, but you can’t build. It might seem like a fine line but I assure you, it’s there. The only two teams to win a championship (or even be in the finals really) in the past lord knows how many years with a non-homegrown player as their best player was the early 2000’s Lakers and the Pistons. I think we can all agree Shaq during his Lakers years was a force that’s insanely rare. Certainly leaps and bounds beyond what Carmelo is. And even that team had Kobe, whom the team drafted. The Pistons are an outlier, no doubt about it (they did have Okur, Prince and Hamilton in place though). But then again, they break the “2 superstars” to win maxim as well. And also, those two teams picked up their players as free agents, not as trades further gutting the team already in place as would be the case with a Melo trade.
But back to my original point. Importing Carmelo at the cost of your foundation makes no business sense if all you want to do is win championships as Prokhorov has stated. History has clearly shown this. It all comes back to if the Nuggets are willing to make a deal on their terms. If so, fine. If not, no problem, let the lottery commence.
My money is on the Heat winning it all
And they will be a team entirely built around free agency. I bet they win 2 or 3 of the next 4 years too. Seems to me that if your going to build through free agency, you need to go big.
Not when ...
Everyone else on your roster is a FA pickup. Does Haslem count as a FA also? I think so.
Yes, but this all happened because Wade was there agreed? If Wade isn’t there, do LeBron/Bosh/everybody go there? I’m inclined to say no just based on everything I’ve read. Once again, my statement was you can add through free agency and the Heat have certainly done that. However, their principle building block was already in place.
And no, I don’t count Haslem as an FA. Technically, yes, he is. But anybody who’s spent their entire career with one team I can’t consider as a FA, just an extension/new contract.
Well we just differ on degree then.
Because I took your original statement about adding through free agency to mean that when a team does it, they only add a couple of missing pieces to the already nearly complete puzzle. Build through draft, fill in blanks with FA. However, in the Heat’s situation, it is completely different. Yes, they have Dwade, but that was IT. That is like having the first piece of the puzzle and paying someone else to fill it in (or something like that). The degree to which the Heat have abused FA and- I think- will win championships is unheard of. But clearly it can be done. I do not consider what the Heat did this summer to be building through the draft- they just did TOO much through FA. Every player on that roster is a FA- even haslem, even though he re-signed (and Wade obviously).
You couldn't build through free agency
back when most of the elite free agents stuck with their teams, when they weren’t all friends with each other, when they wouldn’t take less to play with each other, when there wasn’t so much non-basketball money at stake from playing in a more marquee market, ie. before this year. The rules have changed. You have to live in the now. History shows that only 7 teams have won NBA championships, should the rest of the teams just close up shop? And by free agency, I don’t necessarily mean just free agency, but also trades for disgruntled players who will only go to a bigger market. LA has stayed consistently good because they can do this. Denver can’t. The Nets soon will be able to.
And Wade is absolutely a free agent pick up this year. He was a free agent and he would have went somewhere else if the three of them could only team up there, or if the others went somewhere else without him, he would have gone to Chicago. They absolutely did not build this team through the draft. Wade having been drafted by Miami was totally irrelevant to the assembly of this team.
Ah, I forgot that that was was a FA this year.
So, every single person on that roster is a FA. They built it entirely through the free agency which was my point.
Lopez and Favors
Please tell me in the history of the NBA what player has ever come close that return?
Bonus points if he is also in the final year of his contract, a potential unrestricted free agent, who’s “reps” have made it clear he is leaving the team.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 27, 2010 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Melo (Age: 26, PER: 22.29) for Lopez (22, 20.11) and Favors (high draft pick prospect)
Shaq (32 , 24.48) for Odom (24 , 18.49), Butler (high draft pick prospect) , first round draft pick, and other stuff.
Garnett (31 , 24.20) for Jefferson (22, 19.90), two first round draft picks (one very likely to be high, and in fact turned out to be very high) and a bunch of other first round prospects.
Both similar situations as far as contract status and everyone knew they were going to trade them. The biggest difference, of course, is that Melo is much younger than those guys were when those trades went down. Melo, might be a slightly lower class of player from Shaq and Garnett at those points in their careers, but Melo is going to be much better over the course of the next four years of the extension than those guys could have been expected to be four years after those trades.
This is just off the top of my head.
by asdqqq on Aug 29, 2010 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting
The difference is that Boston still had Paul, and Miami still had Wade. NJ just isnt that good so they would be completely gutting their team.
good info
i think we should target kaman/gordon/unprotected minny pick. that is excellent value. clippers fans wouldn’t be happy with it but in my opinion that is about the upper limit we’d be able to get.
They wouldnt be at first
But when they are in the playoffs and the nuggets are in the lotto, they would be happy. Also, the Kobe-Melo rivalry would be sweet, you know it.
true, although i don't think nuggets are necessarily lotto bound
depending on what they receive for melo.
If they got
Kaman/Gordon/Minny pick, they would be in the lotto.
I disagree
We might be able to get Lopez but he certainly doesn’t have to be included in the deal. And saying T-Will is “just plain not good” is absurd. He is a freak athelete and has the potential to be the next Vince Carter if you ask me. He averged something like 15, 7 and 6 the last month of the season and I’m pretty sure was the only rookie last year to record a triple double. He’s gonna be a great player in this league and if Favors pans out to be as good as everyone is expecting this deal could pay off big time for us.I think if we could get Favors, Williams, Murphy and two first rounders for Melo, JR and two second rounders you pull the trigger.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Like I said
Williams has some intrigue, but us taking back Troy frickin Murphy and a perpetually injured Devin Harris when we have enough talent at PG is retarded.
I never said Harris
There’s no way we want Harris here and I’d put faith in our FO that they recognize Ty is our future. As for Murphy, why would you not want him? He’s a double double guy, gives us that extra body we need down low yet can stretch the floor and his contract expires after this season.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d just respectfully disagree about T-Will. A lot of guys can put up numbers playing big minutes on a bad team, but he wasn’t very efficient. He has that “project” look about him, but he’s already 23 years old. You know who else is a freak athlete? Sonny Weems, James “Flight” White, our very own JR Smith, the list goes on and on. I could be totally wrong on him, but I just haven’t seen anything that makes me think he’s a star when I’ve watched him.
You're ignoring his game
The dude clearly has the intelligence as his assits are killer for a 6’7 SF. He knows the game and it’s evident in his numbers he puts up. His last year at Louisville he killed it and if I remember right had more than one triple double. I see what you’re saying so I guess we just agree to disagree.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Williams scares me...
Because for someone as supposedly “freakishly athletic” as he is, his peripheral stats (steals, blocks) are absolutely horrendous. Those are usually the first two stats where you see athleticism pop out at and Williams lack thereof is a major red flag to me. I’m not saying he can’t be a good player but when I keep hearing about Williams’s athleticism, not seeing the peripherals to back it up makes me hesitate.
What?
Steals and blocks dont’ neccesarily translate into athleticism. That just means your a good defensive player.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions
You sure about that?
Athleticism is athleticism. Guys like Vince Carter, Amare Stoudemire who haven’t played defense for more than a few minutes in their careers put up acceptable steals/blocks numbers. Those are the stats you’re most likely to see athleticism because simply put, it requires athleticism to accomplish them. Chris Andersen is putting up monster block numbers because he’s a good defender. It’s because he can jump out of the gym. I’m not asking a guy to lead the league in either category but if you’re touted as a freakish athlete, it should show.
As a nerdy Birdman fan
I must say, he’s not a good defender. He’s a great shot-blocker, but not as a defender.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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Ok, maybe so
But it’s naieve to say “Oh because he doesnt’ have good block and steals numbers he’s not atheltic”. In fact, thats just being ignorant. JR is one of the most athletic people in the league and he doesn’t have great blocks or steals numbers. And Amare for his size should have more blocks per game each season by the way.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions
JR Smith’s steals/40 make him look like a kleptomaniac compared to Williams. I’m not saying all great athletes will put up monster steals/blocks. However, they will put up at least a baseline amount due strictly to their athleticism. That’s the point I’m trying to make. Williams having absolutely horrendous steals/blocks numbers is a major red flag to me for someone who’s touted as “freakishly athletic.” Amare has averaged .9 steals/1.4 blocks a game in his career. Sure, that’s not amazing for a guy with his size/athleticism, but it isn’t horrid. Just for comparison, Dwight Howard is .9/2.13.
usually guys who are touted as freakish athletes
are.
regardless of what their stats say.
I haven’t seen the dude play and the red flag I see is the “project” label. He obviously has value AND potential, but those are two separate quantities.
by deezNuggets on Aug 26, 2010 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Just for a little more fun
JR was 10th in the league last year in steals/48 mins at 2.28 S/48. T-Will clocked at an impressive 122th place with a 1.17 S/48. To compare, Chris Andersen was 118th at 1.19. Antonio McDyess and his 17 knee surgeries managed 1.28. For the love of all that is holy, even the human stiff Zaza Pachulia ranked in at 61th with 1.63. You’re gonna honestly tell me that you don’t see something seriously wrong when a SG who’s supposedly super-athletic can’t manage to get his hands on more passes than a 6’11" center who’s several years older and has the lateral movement of a cardboard cutout? Come on, who’s being naive now?
I don't see definitive evidence either way
for all I know, TWill could be playing the man so honestly that he doesn’t have time to shoot the lane on risky steal attempts the way JR always does.
by deezNuggets on Aug 27, 2010 12:41 AM MDT up reply actions
If that’s the case, lis35th at 1.91. Artest? 31st at 1.95. Rondo? 1st at 3.05t off the the best man to man defenders. Kobe? . This can go on all day.
It’s simple, athleticism will lead to at least an average steals and/or block rate (mainly depending on size/position). Why? Because those stats are usually very athleticism-dependent. If you’re faster/quicker/strong/better hand-eye coordination than the guy you’re guarding, you’re gonna make a play. Doesn’t that not only make sense but also bear out in the stats? Why is this so hard?
That’s why Williams’s abysmal steals/blocks rates are a major red flag to me. It might be that he is just as athletic as everyone says but then that means just means there’s something else seriously wrong with him (determination, willingness, focus, work ethic, take your pick). It’s possible it’s even just a sample size error (but I’m less inclined to believe this one). Hence red flag.
For the record, I’m not saying a below average athlete can’t make steals and or blocks. If he’s able to read plays, guess right, take chances, etc, he’ll get his. I’m simply saying an above average athlete, as Williams is touted to be, should have at least average steals and or blocks.
That first line should be “If that’s the case, list off the best man to man defenders Kobe is 35th at 1.91.” Sorry.
TChizza, I just don't agree with the PER stat or
extrapolating stats out to a 48 minutes per game output. Players come in under different circumstances and are asked to do different things all the time. Depends on who the guy was guarding in his limited minutes, where he was on the floor, what system he’s in, what system they’re playing against, etc… I just don’t like extrapolations in the NBA.
Not to say that I’m not with you on your arguments against T Williams potential, I am, it’s just that those are too subjective of stats…. garbage time vs. crunch time… there are tons of manipulators to that extrapolation that just make it too hard to gauge a guy on.
I'd say it's a less accurate science
with far more human factors.
The good news is, we will certainly be able to evaluate better the merits of your analysis as it applies to TWill in the future.
I understand your point perfectly
There is nothing difficult to understand with your argument whatsoever. I just refuse to rule out the possiblity that he could be an exception to this statistical analysis. The dude was a freaking rookie.
If so many people have praised his athleticism, including non-Nets fans, I am inclined to believe there is something there, whether or not there is a statistical red flag. It’s possible he has something to offer in the way of defense beyond blocks and steals (through some defensive anomaly, mind you), and it’s definitely possible that he actually IS a phenomenal athlete.
don’t worry, I see your red flag. I’m not hell bent on obtaining this guy, I’m just not a huge believer in metrics as the primary means of appraising the value of a first year player.
NO package NJ can offer
is attractive without Lopez. Not Happening buddy
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed.
We are talking about NJ getting a top 10 and maybe top 5 player.
by broncosfaninKC on Aug 26, 2010 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
LBJ
Wade
Bryant
Howard
Paul
D.Williams
Durant
Then a group of players…
Dirk, TD, Gasol, Melo
Also, Lopez just turned 22 and is regarded as a top 5 center, potentially top 3 behind Dwight and Bogut.
Melo is also 3 at SF with LBJ and Durant.
Big tend to trump small, as does age (22 vs. 26) and contract (17m expirer looking to make 3 years $65m vs. 2 years left on a rookie contract and then a restricted free agent) and attitude (malcontent associated with WWW vs. a player with no baggage)
Lopez clear holds more value than Melo for many reasons.. and no, I am not saying he is a better player.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 27, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
IF THIS IS ALL TRUE, this just became Ty Lawson's team
Yes I know in the short term it’s Chauncey’s but in all reality, it’s Ty’s for the long haul. I hope he doesn’t wind up being another one of these guys, or that by the time he’s due for a re-up (when is that exactly?) the NBA will have figured out how to deal with this bullshit.
I’m mad at the league. I’m mad at the fact that David Stern (one of the most overrated commissioners of any sport EVER) has allowed the rules to be manipulated into piracy and hostage holding by a few punk ass motherfuckers who dangle the limelight in front of players and tell them “we’ll make whatever you want to happen, happen”. Fuck those guys. The NBA will learn, but unfortunately for us Nugget fans, it’ll be a little too late.
I’m cool with Lawson becoming the building block of the new regime though… if this is all true, move him and lets roll.
BUT IF THIS IS NOT TRUE – as we all hope it isn’t – Adrian Wojinarski just wrote his NBA journalism obituary.
Ty Lawson's team??? that's not a good thing
Ty looks like he has a strong upside but he hasn’t yet even proven he’s a legit starting PG in the league much less ready to be crowned a ready made all-star. How many other rookie PG were better than him last year?
I’m not trashing Ty; I’m just saying he needs to be allowed to grow up into a player first.
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Isnt Lawson considered one of the top 30 pointguards in the league....
Even as a backup? Yahoo sports I believe picked him high. He will get better with the starting position. And ya, if the team is blown up, Melo, JR, Billups, Martin, and maybe Nene are all done. It would have to be Lawson’s team, whose else would it be? Afflalo? Anderson?
Yeah I'm just sayin
Ty will become the new face of the franchise. He will by default almost. But I’m still incredibly high on him as a up and coming star. I’ll roll with him as our face of the franchise, without a doubt.
Points better than TY
Steph curry, Brandon Jennings and Ty is just as good as collison.
Cool, there are a lot but thats not the point.
We don’t care that Ty is below a few or many PG. We care that if everything goes to hell and and handbasket, he is the face of the Nuggets for the foreseeable future.
Totally understand, the comment system is a bit janky here.
I agree that Ty is our building block. Pass-first speedsters with the best A/T ratio of their piers (bob cousey award) are hard to come by. That said, Ty is the perfect #2, we just need a #1, which we hopefully find through the draft.
The "Exit Strategy" continues...
…And after their manipulative tactics and arrogance this off-season, the agents and players are going to be looking across the negotiating table at a seriously pissed off pack of owners. Pretty short sighted of Wes, Rose, CAA, et al. This kinda stuff will come back to bite them and their clients in the hind quarters.
True, but agents have never cared about the damage they cause
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Get rid of him
The silence is deafening. The least Melo could do is put out some Lebron-like BS that he’s not going to discuss it and he’s dedicated to his teammates for this year. It’s time to face reality that he’s trying to force his way out without actually having to say it and letting the fans know who he really is.
The question is does it make sense to McGrady him while we wait for a trade. If Melo isn’t willing to give the Nugs a chance and is just using them for more money and a new team – then why play him? As of right now if Melo doesn;t do at least a small bit of damage control he doesn’t deserve to step on that floor opening night with a Nuggets jersey on.
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Do it before training camp
That way it gives the team time to gel and learn system.
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I agree about the silence
Look people, there’s just too many reports coming out recently that specifically say Melo wants out for Melo not to have actually said it himself. He’s just trying to look good by flying under the radar and not coming out and demanding a trade. I think it would be of our best interest to try and capitolize on this by packaging JR or K-Mart (since they have no value without Melo) in a trade with Melo to get a ton of young talent to grow with AAA and Ty. Imagine a young core of Ty, Terrence Williams (who was killlin it at the end of last season), Favors and Aflalo plus a free agent signing of Marc Gasol. Or if we traded with the Clippers, Ty, Afflalo, Gordon, Griffin and Kaman.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions
If our new GM's reputation holds true we will have a roster full of Euro's in two years
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Two words: fu$k that
I liked our “Thuggets” and I like atheltes. I don’t discriminate against dudes from other countries, but the last thing I want is another Toronto Raptors team.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm with you here GN. I love our Thuggets!
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On the bright side
At least we’d probably get Marc Gasol here!
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of any Gasol
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You will be once he's on our team :)
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Marc ain't bad
but you’d need the correct pieces to put around him
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Marc Gasol is a beast
most underrated center in the league
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes
He’s basically a tougher Pau. What’s not to like about that?
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I would not say that
He is much bigger then Pau. He is true Center and more of a banger in the post. His 15-20 footer is not as good as Gasol but He is a LEGIT top 5 center IMO
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Does it matter fellas?
We’re not getting any Gasol’s here… I’m just sayin…
But for what it’s worth, I didn’t see the same level of finesse out of Marc that is evident in the Lama.
We could
He is RFA next year and we may have a TON of cap space. We just have to make an offer to him that the Grizzles will and can not match.
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions
He's young and a bit raw
But I think he has the potential to be a big time C in this league. I want him more than anybody next year. Him and Ty could be some great cornerstones for this franchise.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
between Marc and Pau it's no contest
…Pau is way uglier.
by deezNuggets on Aug 26, 2010 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Damn if we could have just beaten those mofos and gone on to win a title …..
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 27, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I think even just getting to the Finals
would have made a huge difference.
Totally with you
in basketball my fellow Europeans are not very good(look we play sports with the foot mkay?)
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Hey I'm with ya GN
I like em too….it’s just our new GM has an affinity for Eruo’s
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Euro's
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
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Fuck agents
get rid of them. People in most professions don’t have people helping them with their work contracts and decision making. All these shitheads do is fuck good fans over and screw good sports cities who happen not to be a big market. I’ve seen it too many times in baseball and now the NBA is the same. Maybe this would make these athletes value education better if they had to decide themselves what is a good deal or not.
/irrational rant over
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+1
Agents are like the attorneys of the sports world, destined to burn in hell.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Quitters People United???
What has happened to all of the Melo fan boys?? Has Melo quit on the Nuggets franchise and the city of Denver?? I think so…
I am excited. Rebuilding with a hands-on owner like Josh K. who knows basketball and will bring some young talent in here with cap space and Daddy’s billions is exciting. Let’s face it, the Nuggets peaked two years ago with the WCF team, and it will be fun to clear the decks of our egos and head jobs (Melo, JR and Kmart) and get some young, hard working talent and draft picks to run with CB, AAA, Ty, Nene and Al H.. Frankly, Harrington gives you most of what Melo gives you anyway…I think the Nuggs could get better, depending on the trade…(Lopez or Griffin would be cool).
You should be happy ACE you've waited for this day
Congrats
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
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QPU #42 right here
anyone else present?
Melo never quit on his team throughout his years here and if he leaves now I will not hate him for all eternity.
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
QPU #11 in the 775!
If Carmelo leaves, I will record myself eating a Ham Sandwich!
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
This thing isn't over
It’s foolish to act like it is. This sort of thing happens just not in such close proximity to something as stupid and overblown as the LaBron thing. LaBron stays in Cleveland and this story gets buried until the season.
Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.
by Big Mickey D on Aug 26, 2010 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
QPU #4
Right here…If Melo leaves, I can’t say as I would blame him at all.
Melo never quit on this team in the entire time he played here. So enjoy yourself, for now.
It ain’t over, til Melo signs with another team.
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QPU # 78 here
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
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I don't know what numbers are left in your club
but I’m with Melo ‘til he’s really gone.
by deezNuggets on Aug 26, 2010 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions
me too
but I’m gonna change my sbnation user name if he leaves, no doubt
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Aug 27, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Then you'll be excited with the next generation of Tony Battie, Raef and Skita
Because that’s what the real world of being a crap team really is. There’s a reason why the Nuggets sucked for 13 of the previous 15 years before Melo. There’s a reason why the LA Clippers are traditionally a crap team. There’s a reason why the Nuggets suddenly wen to the playoffs every year since Melo arrived. There’s also a reason why it took 21 years for the Nuggets to draft another real life franchise player once they lost Skywalker.
Because depending on the lottery and the draft doesn’t work unless you find a true special player; and those kind of players very rarely arrive.
But you have fun with the next 10 to 15 years of bad management and inept players; looks like that’s what you’re wishing for.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
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I hope this isn't true
but at the same time, HA-HA! [pointing finger at ACEIII]
by deezNuggets on Aug 26, 2010 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Not Gonna Happen
WIth out Billion dollar owner, the Nuggs will never go back to the suckfest days of Tony Battie and Raef. That is the difference, we have a billion dollar owner (and son) who love basketball, are committed to winning, and will have smart people running things. Actually, I was worried about having a Melo on the team during his decline, straddled with a huge, long-term deal. Plus, I still think we saw he true colors laying on that floor during the game in OKC. At that moment, I knew it was over…
Okay,
Plus, I still think we saw he true colors laying on that floor during the game in OKC. At that moment, I knew it was over
Did you not understand that he was injured in his neck and couldn’t get up right away? Do you really honest to God, believe he would have just lay there and let JR nearly kick him in the head, purposefully? Do you ignore all eviidence that he was playing hurt and STILL managed to more or less WIN the game in the 4th quarter? Yeah, he really quit in that game. You’re just being obtuse.
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My neck...! My back...! My neck AND my back!
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 27, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
What's your point?
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I'm here
Melo gave the Nuggets a winning atmosphere. He didn’t quit on us. You did.
Quitter's People United Member #27
Hmmmm..
I don’t know, leaving the team that drafted you, with a maximum extension on the table, and shunning the city that has been nothing but good to you, feels an awful lot like quitting…
Time to take down the Melo posters, boys…
Stop being such a crybaby
Melo is not your slave. He can make a business decision to move on if he wants. It’s business, nothing more. But no, you have to make it that he is “shunning athe city that has been nothing but good” to him. Possibly the most absurd thing I’ve heard all summer which is saying something.
I suppose you’ll be on youtube burning a melo jersey next.
I just don't see it the same way you do
I appreciate what Melo’s done during his time with this franchise, and I think history will see it that way, too.
I can see your points, but they just sound bitter and resentful to me.
I agree...
I’m ready for a new fresh team. We have too many players that are either old and just a headcase. This team had the chance at it a few years ago and that was it. Time to rebuild.
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Aug 27, 2010 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
the elusive numero tres
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
"If my players don't start producing there'll be more fireworks around here by the Fourth of July than anyone can imagine." The Boss (1982)
"The next time you drive me to the wall, I'll throw you over it."
"What do you mean try? If I want to fire you, I'll fire you." (on martin)
I'm not mad, just sad...
… to see the end of the Melo era, if this is true.
Kroenke shelling out $750 million to buy a football team while refusing to go over the luxury tax at last year’s trade deadline keep me from placing all, or even a lot of blame on Melo.
QPU # 2.
Yup
I fully agree.
I’ve felt for quite a while that all Stan wants to do is sell a few tickets. He hasn’t cared about doing what it would take to get this team over the hump.
by ParkHillNative on Aug 27, 2010 12:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
LMAO
this is comedy already. i agree with runningdonut, the least melo can do is come out with some BS-PR saying he doesnt know what he wants to do yet but hes committed to the nuggets this season.
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
He's in China
It’s a perfect cover… he’s too busy a zillion miles away. He can play this however he wants to right now. Perfect timing. To think this was NOT intentionally aligned to Melo being in China would be foolish… to those conspiracy theorists of us…
Open Letter to Carmelo-JOKE
Told you guys shouldn’t kiss his ass. He had no intentions of staying here. Feinstein’s letter was a piece of joke and all ass kissing. Man up all you boys and get in line and start the Melo bashing. Seems like all local sports journalist no matter where they are, just like to suck ball players asses just to get close to them, Feinsteins, no different.
Do you really think Melo owed you anything for being a ticket holder now….Ha!
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
Why are you here exactly?
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
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To lower all our IQs
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
Go fuck off troll...
Andy doesn’t even know Melo. How exactly is he sucking a ball players ass if he doesn’t even know him… there was no getting close to him done there. “Piece of joke”? Seriously? Nice try jokester.
Go FUCK yourself
Boston fans are so ignorant
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Such language, there's children around.....
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 26, 2010 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Just a figure of speech...but I like where you were going....
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 26, 2010 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
You care because you should...you wouldn't want your kids saying things like that would you?
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 26, 2010 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I dont have kids so
I dont care. Parents should not let their kids go on blogs like this. They don’t offer anything intelligent so whats the point of them coming here
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
If/when I am a parent
I am going with the “you will now them all by 6th grade so you might as well learn them now” approach.
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
that is so true
if they do not hear it at home the are going to hear them at school
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Flight2BOSTON says:
“I’m a grown up now! …and a role model!”
by deezNuggets on Aug 27, 2010 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions
here's what I got
“I told you trying to appeal to your franchise player to stay was stupid! Now I’m right and everyone hates Melo, and local journalists suck on asses, and I don’t like Feinstein very much, because he makes me feel tingly in my ball parts. ha-ha! Nyah-nyah! …oops, I pooped my diapers”
[throws poop]
by deezNuggets on Aug 27, 2010 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Coming from you, is that tagline ironic?
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
Is it heavy-handed that I even ask?
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 27, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Sore Loser
Hey Stiffy dont be a sore loser….Hahaha
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
Flight2BOSTON says:
“I’m funny!”
[laughs at self]
by deezNuggets on Aug 27, 2010 12:20 AM MDT up reply actions
This sucks
I am trying to be positive but I am sensing a return to the lottery. The FO REALLY needs to get a LOT of young talent back for this. I also don’t like the proposals that include JR and K Mart with Melo—we might need to make separate deals for their expirings [although I am not sure we could get Elson back for JR at this point].
Be nice Stiffy
Hey Stiffy be nice….Dont be a sore ass loser….No swear words…this is a public forum…;)
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
It's a public forum only insofar as you can be banned at any moment..
Tread lightly
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no....Boston Troll Boy
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no...didn't this show up under Boston Boy?
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Stiffy
why is Tony Hayward on your profile pic? Just wondering
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
I don't recall
I think I was blunted when I changed it to that and I was posting as a devils advocate about something or intentionally being an ahole (aka BostonTrollBoy)… I forget. LOL, pretty stupid though eh?
Pfft stupid never stopped me
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
Ok
Ok now your talking Stiffy…much better.
Banned from what this forum…SD cat09…..hahahaha
Cant I just get another name…like Troll…hahahaha
Im living up to the name Stiffy gave me….troll
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
If you plan on staying around...at least figure out how to reply properly
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Sorry
Your the only polite person here…thanks
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 26, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
New roster
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=32ewggj
Anyone like the above link? Its alot for the clips to give up, but it would be awesome if it did happen.
That would be sick
but that is not happening. The nuggets get way to much in that trade
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Griffin, Kaman and Gordon for JR and Melo works
And is a hell of a lot better than what the Nets would… Net us…
by stiffy on Aug 26, 2010 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
that is the trade proposal
I suggested above
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
It works
But I seriously doubt the Clips would go for it.
by broncosfaninKC on Aug 26, 2010 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Really its
Kaman and Griffen for Melo which is fare. I would give them JR and 2nd for Gordon
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
in the trade machine
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Ew... Kaman
I like the above trade better, and if you think they would give up Kaman, then why wouldnt they give up the barron?
I'm no Kaman fan
But it works monetarily. And we don’t want B Diddy. I love the guy but he’s not right for a rebuilding team here.
Kaman is really good
last year he was a top 3 center in the west. Dude is old school and can do everything you ask a center to do
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Soooo overrated
and @ stiffy, it would be a three team trade, with Portland getting Davis.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3xoawkd
we get prospects and picks + from portland too
I would take Kaman
over Pryzbilla any day of the week. Every GM in the league would agree. Also Portland will not do any trade that helps the nuggets and they will not want Baron Davis because he is not good anymore
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I like what the Clipper can offer
But I just don’t think they would go for that because they’d be losing their starting PF and starting C. I think if we gave them K-Mart at least for this season it would work out better but we’d have to take back Barons contract I would think which then looks like too much.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I believe the Clippers are under the
cap so we can trade them anyone and the salaries do not have to match
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
If it has to be done
I like anything that includes Lopez or Gordon AND Griffin.
Well...
If it really happens then it was a “fun run” while it lasted. 11 & 71 was even fun. In the end, NBA is still just a game. Nothing more. Most of us will just add this to the memories of many other years and many other players. Wish him well…
by Vicki's Husband on Aug 26, 2010 9:11 PM MDT reply actions
You're right Vicki's husband
Win or lose, we are going to yap it up about our team, with or without Melo either way.
I’ve never said I’d be mad at him personally… I just don’t like how the system is allowing things to unfold in the NBA anymore. It’s the system, not the player who’s just playing the system to its fullest.
" It’s the system, not the player who’s just playing the system to its fullest."
Very good observation. While of course we don’t like the fact that we likely will not have Melo, I can’t blame him for wanting to better his lot. Clearly it’s an “Agent’s” effort that is creating this issue. I fully expect the CBA to address this issue among others. We’ll miss the guy for sure.
by Vicki's Husband on Aug 27, 2010 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
One thing I want to Mention
Both the Clipper and the Nets are under the Cap. The salaries do not have to match to make the trade work. They can take back more salary then they are giving us.
by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 26, 2010 9:13 PM MDT reply actions
Well, we had a good run
I don’t blame Anthony personally. Look at what everybody else did. Look at what we did. basically nothing.
Fuck it! Losing Anthony won;t be the end of the world. All this means is that once he leaves, Harrington becomes the starter, and Lawson become the franchise player.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
you should post under qpu entry :)
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Huh?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
post under ACEIII little challenge above
http://www.denverstiffs.com/2010/8/26/1653025/wojnarowski-nuggets-and-melo#45310359
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Trade Him
to the Clipshow and have him blow out his ACL if this is true. Also, fuck Stern for running this league into the ground and Kroenke for not shelling out the dough to improve this team.
Wow...you would seriously wish him physical harm. That's trashy man
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I just heard on the Ticket that the Nuggets are determined to fight CAA
which….considering the fate of the franchise is on the line…is this a WISE move? Logic would dictate trading Melo quick….but let’s be perfectly honest, Melo will most likely exorcise his right NOT to sign the extension if he doesn’t like the team they want to trade him to. So it would appear there’s some sort of stalemate between the Kroenke’s and CAA. If Kroenke want’s to fight CAA he would keep Melo through the season and make Melo take less money because of the collective bargaining agreement.
However the Nuggets could hold on to Anthony and not trade him, likely costing Anthony tens of millions of dollars on his next contract (under a new, likely much stricter collective bargaining agreement).
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The folly of Stan
And the ignorance; go ahead and play hardball. Worst that happens is the Nugs get chippy and dump Melo somewhere. It won’t matter because Melo will tell whatever other team that he won’t sign an extension so the other team will only pay the Nugs pennys on the dollar. Melo then walks as a FA to the team he really wants to go to or the Knicks or whoever make the trade deadline deal with the other team for a fair value. Team #1 wins, Team #2 wins, Melo wins, Stan and Son of Stan loses. What Nugs fans that may still be around get hosed hugely because they’re stuck with the Kronks as owners.
The “costing Melo tens of millions” song is really getting old. How much does Melo earn in endorsements today? How much will he earn if he’s playing in New York? Guaranteed the “more” money he earns in NY is much larger than the “less” money he loses in the NBA contract.
Gee Stan, maybe you should’ve demonstrated a committed interest last year when it wasn’t too late!!!
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
GSW checking in!
OK, so A Biedrins has always been on your radar and we have expirings. You could conisder a Monta. NO Curry. So really anyone on the roster except for Curry. From what I have read you guys are never gonna get equal value in return so you may be looking at
Biedrins, Radmonvich’s expiring and a future No.1 or Replace Monta for Beans. I know it doesn’t seem like much for a top 10 talent in the league, but when you are forced to trade a perceived malcontent then it is what it is.
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 26, 2010 9:50 PM MDT reply actions
I like GS
But Monta has to take 30 shots to score 30 points. His tattoos meet the standard though. :p
I highly doubt the Warriors would trade Curry for anybody on our roster.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
I like Monta but nobody else does
I’d take Monta, Biedrins and two first rounders for Melo and JR. But if it was my choice I’d prefer Biedrins and Lee instead of Monta. Would you guys go for that? Biedrins and Lee for Melo and JR?
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 26, 2010 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
GSW aint getting him
Because the only deal the nuggets would accept would be a curry package, and GSW would never do that.
The ship is sailing and Short Arm Stan is steering the Titanic of his own creation.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
Do we now start the office pool on what date Karl officially retires to get away from the Kronks?
His parting words as he walks out the door will be “Life is too short for this shit!”
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
His parting words will be more like "WTF"
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I don't think Karl would be mad if Melo left
He’d just be mad that he’s not going to have a contender to coach this season, or next, or who knows when.
With all due respect
Those that think the Clippers will trade Griffin and Gordon do not have reasonable expectations in the trade market
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 26, 2010 10:38 PM MDT reply actions
Sadly I agree
Realistically I think the best package the Nuggets will get will be contain three parts:
1. Young player/s. This will be either a single franchise potential prospect with no experience and some form of risk (Favors, Griffin types), a single high potential prospect with NBA experience (Gordon types), or a couple pretty high potential with NBA experience but haven’t really reached it (Gallo, Randolph, Hill, Patterson types). I just don’t see any team willing to part with a franchise potential prospect with NBA experience (Curry, Lopez types). I can hope, but I seriously doubt.
2. Cap space. We’re too far over and it makes zero sense not be at least be in good financial shape if we’re rebuilding which will allow us to take on iffy contracts in the near future for other assets like 1st rounders (ie. New York/Houston deal) and good cheap youngsters (ie. Eric Maynor deal from Utah/OKC).
3. A couple first round picks. They give us flexibility, cheap, rookie scale contract players with the potential to get lucky with a player or maybe even with ping pong balls if somehow the team that gets Melo manages to suck.
If I were the Nuggets, I’d seriously consider taking back bad contracts in the Melo deal if it grants us more high potential prospects now. For instance, if the Clippers want to get rid of Baron Davis, I’d absolutely take back his craptastic contract, Griffin, Aminu, and Bledsoe for Melo/Billups. Or Detroit with Melo/Billups/Afflalo for Hamilton’s horrible contract, Daye, Monroe, Stuckey, Jerebko, and Prince. Just comes down to whether you want the flexibility now with expirings and what that might bring or willing to trade that flexibility for young players now.
BTW Randolph has potential to be really good like Odom but just can't dribble like Odom.
The RaiderLaker
Randolph really needs to improve strength
Hes a real liability defensively right now
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 26, 2010 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Damn, tried on ESPN trade machine and didn't work...
You guys would need to take back Eddie Curry’s contract… shouldn’t happen….lol
The RaiderLaker
No, there would just have to be a third team
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2emdgbo
So Sac would get a 1st and curry.
--- Brace Yourselves ---
You know what comes next. Melo is going to end up number 1 on the Stiff List.
You know what..
That will be totally wrong if he does. If anything Wes, Leon Rose and the Kroenkes should be…
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Gotta feel bad for Chauncey
I wonder if he sticks with the team or asks for a trade too. The team will still be good without Melo but fringe playoffs at best. will we hit the lottery???
He could get traded as well.
No use having an old PG on your team when you are rebuilding. Especially when hes making like 14 million a year with 2 years left. If they blow it all up I would be suprised if they do not try to trade Chauncey to a contender for something.
If Chauncey leaves, Melo leaves JR leaves
1/2 the fans leave. Pepsi Center will be less filled at a Nuggets game than when the Avs play….
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Billups getting traded would be a shocker
He’s going to retire a Nugget, and help usher in the Ty Lawson era, grooming him on how to be a pro, and the in’s and out’s of being a stud PG vs. the various body types he’ll encounter running the show here. He has tremendous value to this team even if he can’t log 40 minutes a night this season due to stamina or age issues. He’s going to be the face of the franchise this coming year and is a local celeb that doesn’t want to go anywhere else.
Billups is a pro and I hope he stays in Denver
However I do understand that this is a business. I didn’t get mad at LeBron for leaving Cleveland, and while I will be disapointed with Melo leaving, I wont be angry at him for excercising his FA rights (unless of course we dont trade him and he loafs for a season, then I will be calling for him to be benched and kept simply to screw him for the next CBA). The same goes for Billups, he is a fan favorite, but he has some things going against him. If Melo leave the team is rebuilding. Several players are going to be traded as the season goes on. No matter what happens, Kmart will not be a nugget at the end of the year. Billups is getting 13 Mil this year, and 14 Mil next year. Ty Lawson is a serviceable PG who is expected to be a building block of the franchise, and he makes 9 mil over 4 years. This almost makes Billups expendable, a trade chip to another team. Maybe a contender in need of a PG offers the Nuggets some picks and complementary pieces for him. I’m just trying to be realistic here, I dont want Melo to leave, and I dont want the Nuggets to have to rebuild, but if we blow it all up, this could happen. Also, Billups might not want to play for a non contender, on a team that is rebuilding. Unless he wants to take a pay cut. He has won a ring, so maybe my point is moot and he says, “Pay me less I want to retire a Nugget”. Sick, do it, but I just dont know if that 27 million couldn’t be better spent elsewhere on a team that is looking towards the future.
What are this guy's sources?
He claims to know all of this behind the scenes stuff … but how?
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No idea, Wojonowski (or however you spell it) is the author of the article.
ESPN is way behind on this story, which kind of makes me wonder. If someone leaked the story, why only to Woj from Yahoo? I think it would be more credible if many stations where backing this story.
Orlando, Chicago, or Boston
If he is going to be traded, ignoring what you could get back, I’d like to see him in Orlando, Chicago, or Boston. Then they could kick the crap out of those guys in Miami.
Yes, totally unrealistic, it would just be fun to watch.
I really want Melo to stay in Denver, but I can respect his decision if he wants to leave. At least he’s giving the team time so they don’t lose him for nothing and he’s not being an asshole about it. That said, part of me wants Kroenke to tell him, you want to leave? Fine, enjoy the contract under the new CBA.
I think I’d still root for Melo as long as he doesn’t go to the Lakers or Miami.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 27, 2010 9:43 AM MDT reply actions
If this is all true
Then the Nugs best option would be a sign and trade, correct? The only way they get decent value in return for Melo is if he’s locked in for the next 4 years. If that is the case, then they really should get good value in return. Anything short of this and the franchise, and the NBA, is dead to me.
So, how did we get here? Man this sucks.
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Denver wont get "equal" value for Melo
In these situations it doesn’t happen, hes a superstar calibur player, no team is going to trade a superstar for Melo when they know they don’t have too. Denver is going to be some prospects/complimentary pieces for him, maybe an up and coming stud player, and some draft picks. If they are serious about trading Melo, I would prefer it happens sooner rather than later, so we can start the rebuilding process and avoid all of this as a mid-season distraction. Also, no matter what, Denver needs to avoid getting LeBron’d. Dont wait for FA to roll around!
wow, this is crazy
article really doesnt say anything new…
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Kings Fan here...
Some of the above comments are a little delusional as far as value….but I was curious about what the rest of you guys REALISTICALLY expect to get in return for Melo?
In truth, I would want Billups before Melo for the Kings. But that has more to do with our needs than Melo. (He’s a stud) I just think it would be awesome to have two guards the size of Chauncey and Tyreke Evans in the same back-court.
But would a package like Omri Casspi, Carl Landry, and a couple picks do the trick? Do you think it will end up being a big name player swap instead of young guys and picks?
I guess what I’m asking is what is the “plan” in the front office in Denver? Re-load or full re-build?
Thanks
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 28, 2010 10:48 AM MDT reply actions
Who in his right momd would want to play for the Kings?
Your team has very little to offer anyone wunless you want to give us, Evans, Cousins and say two No. 1’s. The maybe.
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 28, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Coming from a Nets fan
you are off your rocker if you think the Kings would even go near that deal.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 28, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Hello
I think DMC, Omri casspi a pick would do the trick. Sac offers something that no one else can offer, instant cap relief. Ignore the skeptic con urquel comment, btw. its retarded. I think the going rate is potential marquee player. Derrick Favors from Nj, Blake Griffin from Lac. That said, I dont see a Sac-Den trade happening, because, obviously, if he doesnt want to play in denver he would not like Sac-town. Honestly, DMC and Casspi w/ no picks would be acceptable.
The Kings ownership has to run at a league minumum
to keep the team from going BK and you think they are gonna bring in Melo and its veen more laughable if you think he would play there. The Kings will be a team when they move to a city who will make them a viable entity.
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Aug 28, 2010 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions
There’s different thought processes Noble, but I’m in the belief you should do a full rebuild. Our core is aging, there’s no way around that. And teams simply won’t give up young up and coming stars for aging players like Billups. It’s unlikely we’re even going to get a young, proven star for Melo. So it just becomes finding the best packages and pieces that might have a future here.
I would absolutely consider that deal for Billups. Casspi isn’t sexy but he’s a tough nosed 3/4, isn’t a horrible shooter, and is still young. Landry is an efficient undersized PF who’s shown he has real value in this league and has a very palpable contract. Throw in a 2011 1st (lottery protected most likely) and either a 2013 1st (my preference) or a 2012 2nd (fallback plan) and its a done deal. The great thing about this trade from a Nuggets standpoint is the Kings are far enough under the cap that a Billups for Casspi/Landry works straight up so that immediately saves the Nuggets $9M this year ($18M including luxury tax) while we get to hand over the keys to the PG position to Lawson without feeling any guilt. The more I think about it, the more I would absolutely do this deal as soon any Melo trade is finalized.
and don't get me wrong i like landry
but i think i’ve seen too much undersized big men in a nuggs uniform
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Yup, I know all about that as well...
For the longest time we have been plagued by undersized big men here in Sacramento.
We could offer other guys than Landry: There is Jason Thompson, Hassan Whiteside, and (while unlikely to be included) Dalembert on the roster.
Obliviously, DeMarcus Cousins is never going to happen.
But I’m just curious where you value him….usually, the fan base is only slightly off in comparison with what their front offices do….well, other than Minnesota.
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 28, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
melo's value cannot be equalled right now
so we just hope we can get something productive(from sheer dumb luck) from somebody before potentially getting lebron’d
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I'm sure you'll get SOMETHING
because I just don’t see Denver pulling a Grizzlies and just bending over for some other team.
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 28, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
i said this before I HATE THAT GM WHO GAVE GASOL
the lanky one
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Ya that GM is retarded.
Gave up gasol for pennies on the dollar. I dont even remember who Memphis got in return, the trade was that awful. /cry, thats the reason the Nuggets didn’t win it all 2 years ago! (one of the biggest, im not saying it would have been a guarantee, but I dont think the east had a team that could have beaten Denver 2 years ago. The Nuggets definately had a shot).
Hold it
I think you took what I said the wrong way…and after re-reading my comment I can see why.
There is no chance we would send Landry (Who we got in a trade for Kevin Martin) AND Omri Casspi for Billups. He’s just to old to be anywhere worth that. No offense, but Casspi is a future all-star SF. I wouldn’t go much beyond Landry straight up for Chauncey and MAYBE a 2nd rounder…
I am talking about Melo’s value.
Is a 16-6 PF, and a 16-8 SF, and a pair of 1st round picks worth Melo in the mind of a Nuggets fan? We have different Bigs that we could trade other than Landry but I thought he would fit best with Nene & the Birdman.
I get that Melo is “you’re guy” and believe me when I tell you I know your pain. (Don’t forget Chris Webber) But I also don’t see many teams giving up more than a top 10 rookie, AND one of the most efficient scorers in the game, AND 2 first round picks….so I don’t think this would be unreasonable by any stretch.
But I’m here for Denver fan’s opinions so I’ll stop here…
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 28, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
me thinks that chris got injured alot after leaving sacramento
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Yeah, but all we got was Coorlis Williamson and Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner!
OUCH just doesn’t cover it… Anyway, we just got out from under all those bad contracts and things are looking up around these parts.
Over at STR it seems about split on people who want Melo and others who don’t see him as a fit. I figured I would come see what it would even cost to make such a move.
Personally, I think the Kings would dominate starting in the second season because Melo, Tyreke Evans, and Cousins is a pretty nasty core.
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 28, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah, my fault
In that case, I’d rank the Kings package well below the current Clippers, NY, and Houston deals. I’d rank it about on par with the Nets pupu platter, maybe even a bit below though because the Nets have the GS 1st rounder.. Sorry for the mix-up.
Hmmm
What Clippers deal are you ranking it under? You realize you wont be getting Griffin or any of the other ridiculous packages I was reading on other threads don’t you?
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 28, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Also
don’t compare anything on the Kings roster with a “pupu platter”….it makes you sound like someone who doesn’t watch much basketball.
You would be lucky to get 2 starters AND 2 first round picks for Melo. Just look at the history of what teams get when they send OUT an all-star in trade. ESPECIALLY when said all-star publicly wants out.
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 28, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd do DMC straight up
Thats a good deal for both teams. Sac gets a top 10 player to go along with a future top tier player. Den gets a beast (who’s value is less than his skill due to attitude and conditioning) and mad cap relief.
Won't happen
Evans and Cousins are both off limits….Geoff Petrie’s words.
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Aug 28, 2010 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions
The Clippers package I’m ranking it under is the Kaman/Aminu/Minnesota 1st rounder. I’m certainly realistic that our odds of getting Griffin are extremely low and the chances of getting Gordon are a little higher but certainly nothing to bank on.
I can say pupu platter because I’m not trying to impress you. It’s not hard to figure out if somebody knows what they’re talking about and I feel pretty confident I do.
I think (hope) the difference between a Melo trade and previous ones is the presence of multiple known bidders. I think that fact cannot be underestimated.
I would take
Kaman/Aminu/Gordon/Minny pick for Melo/Jr. Dump Kaman for prospects and expiring contracts. Then sit down with Chauncey and ask him if he wants to stay and retire after this year, or if he wants to be traded to a contender. Maybe Dampier/DJ Augistin/picks or Pryzbilla/Bayless/Babbit/picks?
Come on, guys. Have you even HAD a pupu platter?! It's delicious!
…and not made of poo-poo, as one might expect.
…unlike the Nets’ offer – OH! Zing!
Sorry, it’s past my bedtime.
by deezNuggets on Aug 30, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
that's their problem
they don’t get we (clippers) won´t give griffin and is very unlikely they will get gordon.
If no Gordon or Griffin then no Melo
Its simple Logic. I think the Nuggz still have some. But yeah, you don’t wanna give up your guys, I say we keep Melo. You don’t know what you’ve got til its gone. Maybe if we move the Nuggets to Las Vegas Melo will think its kool. Of thats right, then I wouldn’t like the Nuggz anymore
you could talk me into giving gordon
well actually it doesn’t matter as i don’t work for the clips……i guess i wouldn’t be that mad if we give gordon, but i think that’s your top value, and i think your FO would prefer him to getting an exception in the offseason
I think Bledsoe
would be in the deal too. Ty needs a backup.
Clipper fan here to set some things straight
Griffin is untouchable, Gordon is semi untouchable everyone else is fair game (except the newly signed FA’s that can’t be traded until Dec.15th) either Kaman or Baron would have to be included in any trade in order for the numbers to work. Kaman is the most likely to be traded, and I don’t think you guys want Baron anyways as long as you have Billups. The clippers aren’t interested in JR because they feel they have a very good 2 guard in Gordon who’s stock has only risen with his exposure through team USA. The most likely trade would be Kaman+ Al Farouq Aminu+ Timerwolves 2012 first round pick (I will go into further details on the pick in a second) + Clippers second round pick for Melo. The Twolves pick might actually be the most interesting part of the trade for you guys. The clippers got the pick in 2005 and it is top protected until 2012, if the Twolves pick does not break the top 10 this season then it will become an unprotected pick in the 2012 draft. Now with all the horrible moves that Kahn has made in this offseason I don’t see the Twolves getting any better any time soon.
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That trade +bledsoe, another 1st and another 2nd
would be borderline palatable. I think you are overvaluing Griffin though. He has the potential to be very good, but he is injury prone and he has never played in a NBA game. That whole missed 82 games before he was even a rookie thing really screws his value.
It was a freak injury
and there was no ligament damage so he should be fine. But you obviously didn’t watch what he could do in college, he is a rebounding machine who is not just crazy athletic but also has a sky high BBall IQ, he also handles and passing skills of a much smaller player with the quickness to match, he has a freakish motor and work ethic, and his only weakness is that he needs to work on FT’s which he has been ever since the he was cleared to shoot stand still shots. And none of that should be affected by the surgery because as I said there was no ligament tears meaning it was just a simple broken bone, like any other broken bone it will heal fully unlike a ligament tear it won’t linger. As for him being injury prone all his other injuries were non related and this injury was caused by going to knee to knee in practice and then not letting the knee heal possibly.
I am not sure why you want Bledsoe when you have Ty Lawson, and you underestimate the value of mini pick which is a for sure top 5 pick in 2012 and of course we could throw in more 2nd rounders.
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Bledsoe would be Ty's backup
If we plan on tanking, chauncey should be traded.
But honestly, freak injury or not, anytime you miss a whole season, you are injury prone. Also, I would call kenyon martin injury prone in the sense that he has glass knees. Griffin seems like the type of guy who is prone to all injuries.
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