An open letter to Carmelo Anthony...
While appearing on 104.3 The Fan's "Clough Talk" on Monday night, the Denver Post's Chris Dempsey said that Carmelo Anthony will at least listen in regards to staying in Denver. Let's hope he listens to this...
Dear Carmelo,
You and I have never met before, but I've been paying your salary ever since you came to Denver seven years ago.
That's right, me.
Me and thousands like me are the reason you get to play basketball for many millions of dollars. We're the ones who pay exorbitant prices for tickets - which, frankly, most of us can't even afford - whether you play or not. So for all the millions we've bestowed upon you, I'm hoping you'll extend me the courtesy of reading this letter.
To be clear, this has been a two-way relationship. In return for those millions you've collected from us, you've given us seven great years of basketball here in Denver. You've routinely played hard. You've gotten the Nuggets into the playoffs for seven consecutive years. You helped bring us to the brink of our only NBA Finals appearance. You've had the guts to take countless game-ending or game-tying shots and, by my accounting, you've made about half of them. And you've made Denver Nuggets basketball relevant on a national scale again for the first time in almost 20 years.
On top of all that, you've been active in the community with your charity work and basketball camp for which we greatly appreciate.
I guess this is my round-about way of saying you don't owe us much. After playing hard for seven years, you've earned the right to play in any market of your choosing (as you're alleged to be desirous of) and I - and many fans just like me - wish you nothing but the best for you and your family wherever you end up.
But as you mull over your options about whether or not to sign a contract extension to play in Denver, I hope you'll give what's written here some serious consideration. After all, for all those millions we've thrown your way, perhaps you could give staying in Denver another hard look. And here's why...
If you really want to win a championship while playing with a good friend or two and get the maximum amount of dollars plus guaranteed years while doing so, then Denver is the place to do it. That's right, Denver.
Now bear with me because it ain't happening this season, but it could very well happen two seasons from now if you're just a little patient. When the 2010-11 season concludes, the Nuggets - your Denver Nuggets - will finally have salary cap flexibility to build a long-term contending team around you. Gone will be Kenyon Martin's albatross of a contract. Gone will be a big chunk of Chauncey Billups' contract. And it's possible that J.R. Smith - you know, the guy who quit on your team in Game 6 of the 2010 playoffs at Utah - will be gone, too.
And in that salary void equaling in excess of $32 million, the Nuggets - with you as the team's focal point - will have their pick of the litter from the 2011 free agent class. Unfortunately, that class doesn't offer much. But it doesn't matter because chances are the season is going to be wiped out anyway thanks to the looming lockout (and you know what I'm talking about, you were just at the negotiating table with the owners in New York last week...we really need to keep you away from New York, by the way). A lockout, mind you, that will likely level the playing field for all 30 NBA teams. And don't you think Stan Kroenke will thrive in a system that doesn't just benefit the larger market teams? I know I do.
Therefore, with ample cap space and nowhere to spend it until 2012, the Nuggets will be in prime position to surround you with the talent you need to win it all. How would you like to play from 28 to 32 years old with your boy Chris Paul at point guard? Or maybe you'd settle for Deron Williams running the show? Need a big man? How does Robin Lopez at center sound? Or Chris Kaman? You saw what the Nuggets organization was able to do with no money when they brought in the likes of Chauncey, Arron Afflalo, Chris Andersen, Dahntay Jones and Ty Lawson these past two years. Just imagine what they could do with more than $32 million to play with?? (Of course, it doesn't help that they fired the guy who made those deals, but I digress...)
Meanwhile, come 2012 Kobe's Lakers, Duncan's Spurs and Nowitzki's Mavericks will be two years older than they are now. And they're already pretty damn old! So while your boys from Miami rack up 65-plus wins during the 2012-13 season, your Nuggets may have to settle for 60 but at least you'll get multiple nights in South Beach during the NBA Finals!
Look, I know the temptation to play in New York or Los Angeles is a powerful one. I've spent ample time in New York and have lived in Los Angeles. But before you jump ship, let's look at those situations a little more closely.
In Los Angeles, your options are the Lakers or the Clippers. Should you go to the Lakers, you'll always be a distant second banana to Kobe...a guy who doesn't always play nice with fourth or fifth bananas, nevermind thirds and seconds. Not only won't you be able to slack off in practice...ever...but if you wear the purple and gold, you'll forever be known as a guy riding Kobe's coattails. You really want that?
Should you go to the Clippers, I hope you sign for as many guaranteed seasons as possible because there's a 90% - make that a 95% - chance you're tearing at least one of your two ACLs within your first month in Clipperdom. That's just what happens there. Oh, and even if your contract reads "guaranteed" that means nothing to Clippers owner Donald Sterling. Just ask Mike Dunleavy. The bottom line is, should you become a Clipper be prepared to add a contract lawyer to your payroll.
Speaking of suspect organizations, what about your once-beloved but forever-cursed Knicks? Sure, playing in New York sounds fun in theory until you realize Knicks owner James Dolan is a spoiled rotten frat boy gone wild with no business competence whatsoever. Wanna know why the Knicks haven't been relevant since Bill Clinton got impeached? That's all on Dolan. And that old barn known as Madison Square Garden is nothing more than a rotting, rusting dump at this point. Is high-fiving with Spike Lee really worth giving away more than half your income in federal and state taxes? I certainly don't think so.
And while I'm sure the soon-to-be-Brooklyn Nets may seem appealing on paper, think about this before jettisoning the beautiful Mile High City with our 300 days of sunshine and countless parks: you'll be playing in Newark for two years for a defensive tyrant and the most incompetent GM not named David Kahn. I'm sure new Nets coach Avery Johnson will be thrilled with your offense-first/defense-is-optional playing style. Have fun with that.
And don't even think about going to Orlando to join forces with Dwight Howard. Not only will you fight over shots with Rashard Lewis, J.J. Redick, Mickael Pietrus and Jameer Nelson, but I hear Orlando is nothing more than a Mickey Mouse town (insert groan here).
And those are just the on-the-court issues.
I know you're newly married and your wife is probably egging you on to move to a more glamorous location. But think about this for a minute. You got married at 26 years old and she's 31. Chances are a rich guy like you with access to the best health care will live until you're at least 95 years old and, since women live longer than men, she'll be with you every step of the way. Meaning, you're now on the hook for 70-something years of matrimony. 70!! Tiger Woods couldn't do it for 10.
Rather than spend every day together for the next 70 years and risk getting on each other's nerves early and often, why not send her to your new house in Los Angeles for some much-needed time apart during the season? This way, you can concentrate on your first love - basketball - while she can focus on the things that are important to her. Trust me, if you truly love her, this can only be accomplished by staying in Denver.
So as you can see, not only does Denver provide you with the most money, the most guaranteed years, the opportunity to win a few rings with your friends and the best chance of having a long-term, healthy marriage, but it's the only place with fans like me who have your best interests at heart.
I sincerely appreciate your time and consideration for reading this letter and look forward to seeing you at Pepsi Center on October 27th against the Utah Jazz. I'll have my checkbook handy.
Warm regards,
Andrew Feinstein
Denver Nuggets Season Ticket Holder
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*stands up and claps*
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
I liked the positivity in this letter
but I wasn’t a fan of this sentence, taking a shot at melo huh? Well you gonna haz to go threw me!
" I’m sure new Nets coach Avery Johnson will be thrilled with your offense-first/defense-is-optional playing style. Have fun with that."
So is this for sure he wants out
Or is this just more spectulation and rumors?
by tknuckle on Aug 17, 2010 10:14 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
No one knows for sure, tknuckle...
But watch this. Not very reassuring…
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/08/17/20100817_gametime_A.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
That just takes a laughable rumor and mixes it with a laughable journalist
to form a big ball of crap. Really nothing new comes from that interview…oh and you realize Kizla totally ripped off your Lala article.
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
I watched it...
All I heard was a guy who hates Melo (Harpring) say we are in disarray and Kizla running his mouth. All that told me is nothing.
I got worried that they actually had a believable source that Melo was heading out.
Man, remember when people said it was a done deal that James was headed to Chicago or Kobe was headed to Chicago in ’08. These pre-season rumors of players wanting to be traded tend to be crap until something actually happens.
I will try to avoid reading Denverstiffs until something tangible happens (like Melo signing or actually being traded). This anxiety is useless.
Remember when all those people said LBJ would never leave Cleveland?
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 18, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe it is a reverse curse
They are all saying Melo is going to leave…(crossing fingers like an idiot), so maybe he will stay.
I'd love that, too
This is just going to continue to escalate until one or the other side blinks
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 18, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Lebron is the cause of this
He set the trend, now all of a sudden guys are looking around thinking that the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side, which is clearly not the case. Of all the teams even mentioned with Melo none are even close to having what Denver has right now. Somebody just needs to give Melo a reality check. Look around man, you have everything you need right here. Plus we all know the grass is always greener in Colorado.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Is it?
The girl to guy ratio here is like 1-5…
On the east coast it’s like 5-1…
With LeBron, the grass WAS greener on the other side. Cleveland on a horrible team, or Miami and South Beach with your buddies?
http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blog.aspx?blogid=68
twitter.com/chantech
Hey if you got good enough game it shouldn't matter right?
You know what other ratio is 5-1 on the east coast? Stupid people to smart people.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions
firstly,
I think that’s actually the stupid-to-smart ratio of the entire planet.
chan, I don’t see the 1-5 thing (have you checked any of the college towns?). I’m from NY and the grass is greener in spots (NYC has a higher ceiling, due to all the aspiring model/actresses), but not overall. I actually find that the women are generally healthier, and more athletic here in CO, and the guy-girl ratio seems about the same.
Hopefully, if you guys get some solid assets or a tpe, you guys could probably find a way around this to mitgate the loss of melo.
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For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
Hey Orlando is way more than a Mickey Mouse town
we’ve got no state income tax, beaches close(you don’t even have to buy gas, you can just go scoop it off the gulf coast), no snow(my personal fav) and Mickey Mouse, however pot is not legal(large downside). just kiddin friends, I’ma huge Magic fan, as well as Melo fan. I really am sad to hear talk about him wanting to leave Denver, the nuggets have been my western team for years(and my fav team to be on NBA Live). As a Magic and basketball fan I’d love to be able to go watch him play all the time but I truley hope he stays with ya’ll. and kick the lakers ass this year!!!
lol, so if melo did a sign an trade for six years 123, then he'd be able to retain it b/c of no state income tax?
For every sunset, there will always be a sunrise.
No snow is a positive?
oh…the horror
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
Keep in mind melo cant ski
How pissed would you be if melo broke his leg trying to ski, or his wrist learning to board? He would prob lose a chunk o money and miss alot of games.
Melo isn't a Bronco
he would be fine…
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
Melo spent time in 'Cuse
He can handle a little snow.
Disneyworld sucks
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
by RA37thriller on Aug 18, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I love the letter Andrew
Especially the points on marriage. I kinda like the attention the Nugs are getting right now. Sadly, this is the most attention we have had in years and of course it is potentially bad news.
I first want to see who will be GM and then we will see what happens from there
by JR15 on Aug 17, 2010 10:41 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Awesome Job
Awesome
Quitter's People United Member #27.5
Loser Letter
What a bunch of BS. This so called letter spanks of desparation from a loser. Get a life. If he wants to bolt let him. If you were unhappy at your work and had a chance to work with your friends and having fun, you’d leave in an instant. This is all about business and having fun. He has more money than he could ever use from his past contracts, he doesn’t need ‘your’ money. Your season ticket money maybe pays for the janitor to clean the urinals for the season. Just because you pay for public transit doesn’t mean you own the driver or have a right to decide where he will work.
Integrity Is The Highest Ground To Which We Can Aspire
Look
I can’t hate on you too much cuz you’re a sox fan as am i but dude get the fuck out of this forum. Boston has absolutely nothing to do with the Melo situation at all and when you come in and rip a loyal fan to his team for writing up something about teh franchise player staying it is just a dick move. Luckily for you you don;t have a franchise player to worry about leaving right now. You have enough senior citizens on the team to set up a nursery home in the Garden and one young stud ie. Rondo that you will worry about leaving in a couple years in which he will because Ray, Paul, Kevin and Shaq will all be a few years past their first ever colonoscopy and a few years away from eating free at Dennys. Business is not all about having fun either. Not in the real world and not in the professional world. It could be in the pro world if you’re not competative. If melo wants to win a ship then going to NY or NJ or the Clippers ain’t gonna get it done.
My advice is to stay away from the Nuggets forum unless you got something nice to say about the team or situation. Thanks for your time.
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
Quitters People United Member #71
by Garrett Olsen on Aug 17, 2010 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
"you’re a sox fan as am i"
well we all have our flaws.
(good post though)
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
I know i know
I get shit for it all the time but I like em and always have it’s a long story why I do butttt I do.. What’s more important is I love basketball more and my bball team is the Nuggies =)
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
Quitters People United Member #71
by Garrett Olsen on Aug 18, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Which Sox are we talking about here?
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all. Please don't kill us wherever you play....
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
QPU #4, YHEG #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
......the hell??
nothing to see here Boston Boy
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
Proving that you can be gay and not like Madonna, and rock out to Metal. .
Quitter's People United Member # 78
Hmm
Andrew is writing on his blog and therefore needs to get a life while you joined up just to post your disgust with the post, even though you aren’t a Nuggets fan, and this is having a life? Aha I see now.
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
seriously
judging by his comments, I can clearly surmise that FLIGHT2boston just goes around looking for someone to shit on and when he gets his chance, jumps in and says “Get a life, loser!” That’s like his catch phrase.
I wonder what lame losers he’s humiliating right now…
by deezNuggets on Aug 18, 2010 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions
WRONG: Melo has stated repeatedly he wants to gold ball, its not about having "fun with your friends"
Obviously you don’t understand how badly Melo wants it. He knows he can get it. He’s that good.
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 18, 2010 12:01 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
why criticize this appeal? What's the big deal?
Here’s what I’m hearing from Flight2BOSTON [loosely paraphrased]:
“You’re a desperate loser. I can tell by your faggy letter. If your star player that you’ve been invested in for seven years wants to leave, you shouldn’t even try to ask him to stay. You’re dumb because you actually think your paying Melo’s entire salary. That’s stupid. But really you think that you can control Melo, by telling him what you want him to do. Well guess what? You can’t, because you’re just …uh …the janitor’s boss … or something. When you ride the bus, and you like the bus driver’s driving, you shouldn’t tell him that you want him to continue being your bus driver, because THAT’S NOT YOUR DECISION!”
by deezNuggets on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 AM MDT up reply actions
whew
That was probably the dumbest post I ever wrote.
by deezNuggets on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 AM MDT up reply actions
guys guys guys
don’t feed the douchebags.
by Rainbow skyline on Aug 18, 2010 12:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The same thing happened with Garnett
Where would the Celtics be without Garnett? Well with him they can only muster 2nd place but without him much worse.
Very nice Andrew....I like the positive spin
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
Proving that you can be gay and not like Madonna, and rock out to Metal. .
Quitter's People United Member # 78
although you may want to hide the Lala is Yoko article for your own safety. lol
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
Proving that you can be gay and not like Madonna, and rock out to Metal. .
Quitter's People United Member # 78
Yeah I was just thinking that
So if Melo really does read this, what happens when he scrolls down to see an article pretty much dissing his newly wed wife?
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
This is a Much better article..
to the ones that have been posted lately. I like the positive feel to this one. Its what we need at a time like this. These are really good points especially the Orlando one.
Quitter's People United member #7
"Every morning we wake up we got two options, you get better or you get worse. What you gonna do today?" - Steve Hess
dear melo-
once upon a time i used to live in chicago and was a diehard bulls fan. i now own a house in colorado, work in the state of alaska and root for the denver nuggets. i moved on. it is my right. if you no longer want to live in denver and play for the nuggets that is your right to move on. you either want to be a denver nugget or you do not. the issue should not be chauncey getting the final year of his contract extended, earl smith getting traded, there is not enough talent, who the next GM will be or who will be the next coach. if you simply do not want to be here any longer and prefer to be someplace else then please go. that is your right.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
by nohoops4u on Aug 17, 2010 11:59 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
desperation
i am a die hard nuggets fan and will be devastated if melo leaves denver. while i appreciate the effort, this letter is depressing. the argument is incredibly weak and leaves me feeling less optimistic about keeping melo. be patient and wait until 2012?!?!? commenting on how he should handle his marriage??!?! jeez, if that’s all we have, that’s bad. can’t we trade kmarts contract for a legit new player that shows we’re serious about competing?
This is the best thing that could ever happen to our Nugs!
Guys…relax and think about this. Carmelo is a nice player but not a complete player. He is below Lebron, Wade, Roy, Durant, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Kobe and Dirk. He is closer on par with players like Iggy, Granger, Ginobli,Parker, Gay and Pierce than you may want to believe. He is a highly skilled offensive player who compromises his tantalizing ability on the offensive end with poor decisions and selfishness. He underachieves on the boards, is crappy on defense and is a poor leader. He is the type of player that can take you just where he has for Denver, 50 plus wins but limited playoff success. The Nuggets would compromise their own opportunity by signing him to a max deal. If we can set up New Jersey and New York into a bidding war, we could wind up in one of these two scenarios:
Trade with Jersey
2 #1’s
Favors or Lopez
Murphy’s expiring
Trade with Knicks
Randolph
Gallineri or Chandler
Curry’s expiring
This gives us great talent in Favors/Lopez, Randolph and maybe Gallineri along with cap space. With this cap space we will save along with Curry/Murphy and Kenyon we have around 25-30 million committed meaning we could sign two of the following:
Noah
Oden
David West
Yao
Horford
A. Brooks
Carl Landry
M. Gasol
T. Parker-probably going to try and go to NYC
M. Thornton…..
So let’s be optimistic..and reasonable…sign JR as your electrifying talented scorer (which he will have the opportunity to become now)
Randolph/Gallinari
Noah/Randolph/Harrington
Oden/Anderson
Smith/Affalo
Lawson/billups
This is an athletic lineup that can push the ball, rebound and play great defense and one with potential…
Bulls and Noah are working on am extension right now
I’m sure he’s off of the market.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
Drooling over that #3 pick
NJ makes the most sense. New owner love to make a splash. Good argument this better for Melo than Knicks.
Favors measured 1/4 shorter than Howard – has the inside game that Nene lacks – could be dominate – hustle guy. Include T. Williams and draft pick with Murphy.
NJ may want a big, back. Pick between Harrington/Birdman plus J.R. We’ll take Morrow and Outlaw
Many ways to make this work.
lovely and heartfelt letter
but melos not trying to wait until 2012 to start winning…
by hopelessknickfan on Aug 18, 2010 2:51 AM MDT reply actions
U think he is gonna win in New York this or next year?
LOL, good grief. His best opportunity is to play in Denver by quite a stretch. He will still have a chance at a title this year and then next year there will be a lot of cap room to play with if this year doesn’t work. New York has Mike Dantoni and Staudemire? LOL
by Gasus on Aug 18, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Stoudemire + D’Antoni + Nash only got to the Conf. Finals. So you know the two without Nash aren’t going very far.
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Aug 18, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Carmelo and Denver
Albert…Bravo for your open letter to Carmelo…I hope and pray he stays in Denver…
by Bernadette Genovese on Aug 18, 2010 4:45 AM MDT reply actions
Sorry Andrew
Sorry Andrew…I called you Albert in my blog…Just nervous and very upset that Carmelo might be going elsewhere…
by Bernadette Genovese on Aug 18, 2010 4:53 AM MDT reply actions
This article is redicilous.......
We can’t attract free agents to come to Denver. Never have, never will. Remember we had to over pay for K-mart just to get him here. The only way this team gets better this season is if they trade K-mart and Jr for some impact players. I doubt the Nuggets non existing GM will attempt to trade Melo before the start of the season.
If Melo decides he wants to take his talents elsewhere then I think he’ll tell the FO that he wants out. Lebron should have told Gilbert during the season that he wanted out. You could tell the LeD-Bag was not interested in playing the last part of the season and the playoffs. Melo says he is loyal to Denver and I think telling Stan that he wants out would be the best way to show his loyalty. We’ll see what happens…..
I love this letter...
But one thing I want to point out is that if Melo wants big names like Paul or DWill to come to Denver, he would definately have to be the reason! It would be just like Miami’s situation with Wade… Have a playoff team for 2 years (but Denver is a lot better than Miami was) but have cap space to get one superstar (DWill or Paul) and then a good big (Lopez or Kaman)…Also he should realize that if he’s going to call out our lack of direction, then he def. shouldn’t want to go to the Knicks b/c if the Knicks get Melo they’re trading Gallo and Randolph, meaning the team he’s left with is Felton, Azubuike, Walker, himself, Amare and no center… Please don’t tell me he’s dumb enough to think that him and Amare can lead a team deep in the playoffs… Also, as great of a fit he’d be in Orlando, there is no possible way they can get him… Denver doesn’t want Jameer or Carter or Lewis, so scratch them off your list…
Also Idk if this is right but andrew isn’t Dwight also a FA in 2012?
Maybe b/c Orlando will be in really bad financial shape due to all the huge contracts they sign he might want to jump ship. And if MAX contracts go down in the new CBA (most likely) then we might be able to get Dwight and Paul or DWill!!!
Now that would triumph any big 3
But one problem I could see with your plan is that we're gonna have Harrington and Bird's deals combing to make over 10-12 mil on the cap.
But that with Melo’s like 23 mil… and that might be enough for one superstar… but we should also extend Afflalo, meaning it would prob take up another 5-6 mil of the cap…
Two significant errors in the write up's argument
In the letter you imply to Melo that “you don’t owe us much”. Melo doesn’t owe Denver or its fans a single thing. He was drafted here, had no choice where he would play and was paid for his service… the same amount he’d be paid whether he was in Denver, New York or Milwaukee.
Secondly, you wrote "If you really want to win a championship while playing with a good friend or two and get the maximum amount of dollars plus guaranteed years while doing so, then Denver is the place to do it. That’s right, Denver. "
That’s not your place to say. There’s only one person who can make that statement and it’s Stan Kroenke. And Stan has never made that statement either through words or actions.
Until Stan steps and proves otherwise through words AND actions, why should Melo, or his friends, believe things will ever change in Denver. That’s the crux of the problem.
Next time, this open letter needs to be written to Stan… not to Melo.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
Great job arguing andrew
But i still feel like the argument for melo to stay in denver is weak and if i was in Melo’s shoes i would leave and go to another franchise that i am confident can deliver great talent. I dont think melo has any confidence in denver to make those type of moves as we havnt dont one real thing since chauncey while every other contender has.
by Birdman and Jay arah on Aug 18, 2010 8:56 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Why would you not be confident in Denver?
We’ve been one of the most successful franchises since he’s been here. We still got Ty, Nene, Harrington and Afflalo whom we will probably all lock up and on top of that tons of cap space here soon. I think Denver has proven we are a successful franchise as long as Melo is here.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
On top of that what the hell have the Knicks or Nets done recently?
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was wrong Andrew
Maybe you can run for office…but I hope you don’t.
Listening to Mike and Mike this AM
And they said something about Isiah Thomas telling people that Carmelo told him personally that he will sign with the Knicks? Wtf? Either Zeke is just being his batshit crazy self or Melo has a short memory. Why on earth would be befriend and confide in that ahole?
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Reaching Up to the Cap Floor
Oh, here’s a link to the story.
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Reaching Up to the Cap Floor
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 18, 2010 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Screw Isiah Thomas
But if he winds up being right, we should trade Melo to ANYBODY BUT THE KNICKS. Screw em all if that’s the case. Highest bidder period, not what Melo wants. If he wants out, that’s as far as his rope goes… you can get out, but we control it from there.
screw it
id only deal with the nets, they have assets. if melo wants to go to NY, id rather trade him as a 1 year rental to whatever team will take him or just let him walk. id rather not take on the shitty-ass players from NY. especially if we have to pay fat curry $11M to eat mcdonalds, sit on the bench and probably cause JR to regress even more.
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
You mean the Isiah Thomas
That sent a goon at J.R. and made Melo look like a fool even though Thomas started the brawl??
If I were Melo, I would still be pissed at that man for making me look like an a$%%&le
That did set Melo back in the public eye.
FIGJAM Bitches!
Via con Dios Brody
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by Joelsopinion on Aug 26, 2010 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Isn't that tampering on Isiah's part?
I thought that players under contract can’t be contacted with offers by other teams. Thomas may have very well made sure that NY cannot land Melo.
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by Joelsopinion on Aug 26, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Saw that this morning
I laughed, but got annoyed pretty fast. This whole “Carmelo Anthony is going _________” has gotten out of hand. Sad, it’s only the beginning.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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It is extremely annoying
And the national media was all over it the day after the LeBron fiasco. The Knicks haven’t received this sort of attention since Stern rigged the Ewing lottery.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 18, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Imagine how Cleavland felt for 2 yrs.
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by Joelsopinion on Aug 26, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Of course there will be negative feedback on this
But I’m not buying that Denver isn’t a legit basketball town now. We are, and it’s pretty freakin cool. And it’s thanks in extremely large part to Carmelo. With Melo in tow, this is a team to fear, and we have been pretty creative in building a team around him and the cash constraints that we’ve had thanks in part to Kiki and the contract he gave K-Mart (not K-Marts fault).
But Andy, you gotta refrain from pretending to know what’s best for his relationship. You may be right (that’s 50/50), but it’s nobody’s place to discuss that, and if anything, you’re probably generating a “who the f&*k is this guy???” response outta the person you’re trying to persuade. My 2 cents.
agree
I don’t like the fact that you can pretend to tell Melo what is best for him, or for his relationship and personal life. Maybe those in his inner circle can offer that advice, but that’s it. None of us would like it if some stranger approached us and started telling us what was best for our lives. I would love for Melo to stay, but to be honest I don’t really care if he does or not. He is a good player, and a great scorer. He is/was fun to watch and I’m glad he played here for 7 years. If it’s time to move on, it’s time to move on. If the Nuggets want to win in the post-Melo era then they can figure out a deal to bring in some talent.
I think Melo might not be willing to wait for us to get cap flexibility like Wade was...
even though he should be… He’d still be younger than Wade was when he got his 2 all stars, so he should listen to what Andrew is saying… only thing is, that might not be the direction our FO wants to go in… maybe they’d rather cash in their expiring deals now… I think we should watch Philly and Golden State because both those teams could have potential deals for Kenyon and/or JR
Andrew, I'm not trying to pick on you..
I’ve read this like 5 times. Is this a totally sarcastic letter?
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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Loser Letter
I sort of agree with Flight to Boston. and the other post. This letter oozes desparation. Just like in Cleveland when Lebron left, it was sad to see so many fans and media try and kiss his ass, when they knew he was jumping ship. And once he left, they all bashed him and burned his jersey. Same thing will happen here if Melo leaves. Everybody wants to be nice and say good things as to why he should stay and kiss his ass. Once he leaves , the flood gates will open and everyone will be a Melo hater.
Have some dignity and don’t kiss anyones ass.
If Melo leaves, I bet you Andrew will be the first one to stand and boo and shout #$%^# at his face when he gets on the dance floor against us. Just let his ass go now for some young players and get over with it. If he doesn’t want to stay, please don’t kiss his ass. You look weak and play the part of a loser by being a slave to his ego.
We haven’t won with him, it might be time for a change if the offer is right.
LeBron comparisons need to stop
Even if Melo does leave, my guess is he won’t do it in as classless a manner as LeBron did. Like someone here said, it wasn’t the fact that LeBron left Cleveland that made him an asshole. The way he did it totally makes him an asshole.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 18, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm with you AI H
I am usually with Andrew in his treatment of Melo but I don’t like his sudden change. If the Nugs make a good trade for Melo they’ll be fine and still have a great shot every year. If they let him walk they will be fine as well because they will have cap space and are only a center and another shooter away from getting shit done. I would like Melo to stay because they are so close but fuck him if he doesn’t want to come back and there is no way in hell I am begging or kissing his ass.
Why?
I saw nothing “desepration” about this. It’s not like he was singing praises of Carmelo.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 18, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Is this desperation?
“I’m sure new Nets coach Avery Johnson will be thrilled with your offense-first/defense-is-optional playing style. Have fun with that.”
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Aug 18, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
trust me.....that was Andrews attempt to temper snarkiness
sometimes it leaks out
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Screw that
I want Melo back, who’s ass(fuck it, man or women) do I have to smooch to make it happen???!!!
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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i agree with Al H
Since we’re not the ones turning down 65 Million dollars let’s at least maintain some dignity if and when he is no longer on the team. I like NJ as a trading partner if we can get Favors and some other young guys to really mesh with Lawson. Still need a center though since Lopez is off limits.
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 18, 2010 5:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
LOOKS LIKE MELO MAY HAVE READ THIS...
https://twitter.com/carmeloanthony
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM MDT reply actions
A re-Tweet from Melo himself!
Denver Stiffs.com
Denver.SBNation.com
by Nate Timmons on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Does this mean he read it as in past tense?
Or he is being encouraged to read it….
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
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It was a re-tweet so Melo read it and reposted it
good sign? I don’t know…..
I’m still worried about Melo seeing that Yoko article. lol
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
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Me too...that part is where I'm not so sure it's gonna help the situation
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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I don't even know what's going on
What tweet are we so excited about exactly?
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
A guy on this blog sent the open letter to carmelo anthony that Andrew wrote to Melo's tweet.
Melo may have read it because he responded back to it.
My honest guess
Is that he retweeted the link right when it was sent to him. He deleted the retweet after reading the article because it did have some less than flattering things to say.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 19, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
MELO!!!
CAN I HAVE YOUR HOUSE??? FOR FREE??
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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I’ll live in your garage.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 18, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I believe it is 25,000 sq ft
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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Big ass garage
FIGJAM Bitches!
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by Joelsopinion on Aug 26, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't ask Todd Helton
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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O....M.....G!!!!!!
STAY IN DENVER!!!!
…..That is all.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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I don't know if he READ it
But I tweeted it to him (as I stated down there in the comments before he deleted it VVVVVV) and I didn’t know if he would read it or what not but lets all hope he did :)
by Michael Chung on Aug 19, 2010 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Right Andrew
You get name checked by Dave Krieger….then Melo re-tweets something you post
Use this newfound celebrity for good, not evil. Avoid the drugs and try to stay away from Lindsey Lohan
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
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by jpage78 on Aug 18, 2010 12:54 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
By the way
Lets give some much needed props to Nate Timmons….a man who works just as hard as Andrew in Wyoming….freaking Wyoming. How do you do it Nate? The wind alone would drive me insane and yet you still write fantastic columns for DS. Big ups man. You keep us sane.
"If there's a new way....I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time...." Peace Sells....but Who's Buying
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Wait, Nate's in Wyoming? unpossible!!
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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What is this Wyoming you speak of?
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
Quitter's People United member # 42
He writes his thoughts down on paper
And makes a paper airplane out of it and lofts it up into the wind. He’s figured out just the right trajectory to get it down to Andy in Denver who transcribes to the ’pooter for him.
The internet is supposed to land in WY in a couple years, but they have perfected this method for now.
by stiffy on Aug 18, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Melo, this twill backfire in your face if you aren't careful
Look,
Everyone keeps saying that Melo has all the leverage, but that is crap. Melo wants everyone to believe that he will sign in NYC no matter what so the Nuggets better trade him and get what they can. The truth of the matter is Melo’s priorities are getting paid like a top 5 player, playing in a big market and then winning. In his perfect world he gets Denver money in NY playing with Amare and Parker or Paul. The Nuggets actually have t he leverage seeing as they know that Melo will not wait for the collective bargaining agreement to expire and lose out on a whole bunch of moola. Which means that we will just wait it out, as the deadline for Melo to sign approaches a fierce bidding war will trasnpire and Melo will realize that he will not have a choice as to where he is going. The Nuggets will say, sign and trade with whichever team gives the Nuggets what they want, sign with us or walk. No contender with a superstar will take Melo on only to be gutted in other areas when the chemistry might not work. Melo will see that his best option for winning will be in Denver and that the big market teams will not be viable for trade. Melo’s options simply are resign with Nugs, don’t resign and do a sign and trade with a less desirable team of Denver’s choosing, or take a lot less money and play for Knicks or Nets. The last option won’t happen, Melo’s risk is once the bidding war gets started the Nuggets may want to make the trade as opposed to keeping Melo and having him leave in 3 years. Melo may be stuck in Toronto or Memphis….I think when the dust clears, the Nugs play well with him next year, and he will resign. Don’t listen to all the crap coming from New York. Their media is full of rumor, conjecture and lies. The truth is Melo is getting advise from all kinds of people and is going to do what is best for him ultimately. What is best for him is to resign with Denver, we have talent and will have some cap room and trade possibilities to improve and get over the hump. Kobe ain’t going to play for ever.
i hope you're right
your analysis does makes sense. especially if we can make a mid-season move to upgrade the team
holy crap, melo read this letter
He just tweeted about it
by agentargo on Aug 18, 2010 12:57 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Damn I hope Melo is reading this:
Melo, I’m one of your biggest fans and I’m a Nuggets fan because you were drafted by Denver. Since a Melo fan before a Nuggets fan, I can tell you, leaving Denver would be a huge mistake. Just hear me out, this team is built to win around you and has the assets (expiring deals, picks, some young talent) to improve even more. I know the lights and fame of New York could really attract a guy, but outside of that, New York isn’t a place you want to play basketball in, the Knicks franchise has become the Clippers of the Eastern Conference. You don’t want to go to a team that overpays for talent and doesn’t play defense, not to mention that their best player Amar’e has serious injury history, if he goes down for more than 20 games (which is very likely) then NY has literally NOTHING, why would you want to go there?
Personally, if I were you, I’d sit down with Stan and eventually the new GM (once he’s hired) and tell them you want to stay here, you just want to see the team do everything they can to win and build around you. I think if you give Stan a commitment, then he’ll honor his own commitment and do what ever he can to bring a championship to the Nuggets.
+1
Denver loves you Melo, you have rejuvenated nuggets basketball and I think you are the best SF in the league right now, Cause you are just so damn clutch. Sit down with stan, and make him promise to do everything he can to win. That includes NO wasting 1st round picks just to dump a player.
Dear Melo
If you read through these comments, look for QPU #s at the bottom. Many of your fans here responded to some loser who called you a quitter (I think in the game where you passed out after running into someone’s chest). You said on your twitter that another name for a hater is a fan. Maybe for some. But not for the rest of us.
I know Denver is not NY or LA, and we respect your decision and your right to make it in the best interests of the family. But you have loyal fans, a good team and a pretty cool city and state here in Denver, CO. Sincerely, QPU # 2.
QPU # 2.
Now this is a heartfelt letter!
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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Melo, (Superstar of the fans)Think about how close we were to a championship
…and could’ve been last year if Adrian Dantley wasn’t coaching and Kmart wasn’t crippled. At the deadline this year we can trade Kmart and get a good center, put Nene at PF. With Ty Lawson improving, JR Smith getting the light switch turned on, we will make some serious noise. Not that far away. Everyone will love you due to your loyalty. Hope will be injected back into the NBA as you representing competitiveness and loyalty face off against The Evil Empire known as the Miami Heat representing arrogance, deceit, disloyalty and a if you can’t beat em join em attitude. It will be one of the most beloved titles in all of sports that your children and your children’s children will be talking about forever. If you go to NY you will be lumped together with the growing hopelessness in sports that competition is only amongst the elite. A view that is sadly mirrored in society with the elite controlling our country why the middle class suffer for their greed and arrogance. Please don’t go to Goldman and Sacs aka Knicks.. Make a difference Melo, you can steer the league back to greatness and be a player for the fans and the whole world will love you for it. In New York nothing but sorrow awaits you on the basketball court. Damn Melo, you will make enough money you can still travel to NYC on the regular. I believe in you Melo and can’t wait to elevate your status to historical icon if you stay.
Loyalty has become huge in sports
Bigger than it ever was after the Decision.
I wish I could change the word “Loyalty” to 96 font.
You started out right,..but emotion took over
and that’s what killed u. For seven years he put more into winning and nothing came of it. He’s allowed to move on because it’s up to HIM…not you. He’s put the time in..the effort…the hard work…traveling, you name it. You go the zoo..u pay…u don’t own the animals. You paid to see ALL of them play. Get over it….He’s from BROOKLYN and the Knicks were a lot more relevant in years past.
Listen…He’s no LeBS..using kids..TV or the press. He’s been upfront and has taken his time to make a decision that effects HIM and his future…and if that’s somewhere else, so be it. LeBS and his handlers have screwed the BRAND…and there’s an opening. He comes to the Knicks…and it’ll be HIS team…Lights…Broadway..STARS…Denver..mtns, it’s enough to get you sick after awhile.
It’s time for ‘Melo to step out and step UP…and Madison Ave marketing machine will make it happen. The contract money is SMALL CHANGE compared to NY’s money and the sales..TV appearances will bolt him OVER LeBS. He’s been in the shadows too long and the opening is RIPE.
No doubt, he can move on whenever he likes and I'll still think he's one of the best players.
But if he goes, I hope its a place where he’ll win a championship and I don’t see that in NY.
Srsly
so many desperate Knicks fans these last few days hanging around(definitely not as bad as Laker trolls but annoying anyway, not all but most). Also, not once did Andrew try to force Melo in staying or state it so. Oh AND DO NOT FUCK WITH OUR MOTHERFUCKIN MOUNTAINS..THEY WOULD SHIT ON YOUR MEASLY 90 STORY BULDINGS!!!!
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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yeah, what was that about the mountains?
I grew up in the suburbs of NY, but the first itme I saw the rocky mounatins, I was like, “WTF-OMG-LMAO-YES!!”
I love NY. My family still lives there, and I love to visit, but I’m never moving back there. I love it here. Back there, nature is something you grow in between parking lots.
So
You suggest that he just disregard what an absolute joke of a franchise the Knicks have been for years now?
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 18, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
typical New York is the center of the universe persona
Is this the view from your apartment?
Oh, right, you probably don’t have any windows in your 200 sq/ft sub-basement apartment in commuter New Jersey. But if you did, I’m sure it would look something like this, right?
Who wants to be a Knickerbocker anyway? Isn’t that like capri pants?
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 18, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD!!!
it has tall buildings and..umm…a subway system which makes it super duper awesome!
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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We(you) have tall buildings and light rail system...it's better
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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Subways are awesome
You can get as shit-faced as you like, and safely get home. Light rail will be just as good once it is all complete though.
Haha
actually subways are very useful and you can see the Euro influence on NY there. Btw I like New York but for me cities like Paris, Rome, Athens etc. are greater than a modern steel metropolis.
"Until you shoot me off my bike I'll keep looking for a contract" - Jens!
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No love for cabbies?
Door to door delivery of your drunk ass!
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 18, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Is your signature in any way a reference to Jens Fiedler...?
Because Denver (Boulder) has a velodrome, too!
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 18, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Melo needs to understand
That this is a town that loves and wants him back. We need to understand that if he’s truly concerned with writing his own legacy (instead of others writing it for him a la LeBron) he wouldn’t make a decision based on money or what his wife’s career aspirations are, he would make a basketball legacy decision – one based on how he can best go down in NBA history. Consideration nowadays (rather players like it or not) is the “Mercenary factor” too. Guys taking the easiest road to the crown they can find…. LeBron’s legacy is indefinitely tarnished as second fiddle to an already champion D Wade and Melo’s would be tarnished if he were to go to a team like the Knicks and become part of an Eastern Conference arms race, in which the ECF’s would be the defacto championship until all these stars retire, and David Stern by no means wants his Finals ratings to go in the shitter once Kobe is gone and there’s nothing in the West except an extremely small market OKC squad that has even a remote shot at contending with the Heat if for any reason Kobe were to be gone from the picture in LA. Kobe has about 4 good years left in him in my estimation, but may be around a lot longer than that too.
I think Melo should give it another shot here in Denver, and if we can’t manage to get over the hump in another 3 years or so, maybe then it’s time to look at shipping him off to LA to give it a go with an aging Kobe or somethin…. Bottom line, the East is owned by the Heat for the next 5-6 years easily. IDGAF if Melo and Paul go to NYK, they’re not getting past the Heat barring any injuries. Sorry Melo, their big 3 trumps what 3some you could build in NY – it’s just bein honest…
Exactly
Denver is still top tier in the West. NY won’t be that in the EAst for a while still and even if they get good soon they’re never going to beat Miami. Denver is hiis best chance at a title.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
3 years is no commitment
for an extension…that’s dipping your toes. He’s still gonna make his money this year.
If Denver is so wanting him to stay…they’re gonna have to make it at least 5 years with 20 mil per.
But…ahhhhhh nights in NY…never gonna beat that. The boy that went to Denver is coming HOME a man.
What a douche bag
Reminds me of a Laker blogger
the contract is a big deal by the way
he will lose tons if he doesn’t resign or do a sign and trade……it does’nt matter if he is NYC or not…gee he somehow has Nike and other endorsements in this cow town. Really the New York nightlife is what he really wants. Dude is married with child now….do you really want him getting Tigered….then he will wish he had big contract to pay all that alimony
I have a question.
Does anyone think Melo might be dragging his feet until the whole ownership thing gets squared away with E. Stan? Won’t his son be taking over the reins or is that simply a ruse so E.Stan can get his hand on the St Louis Rams?
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
QPU #4, YHEG #4, Proud Member PR Gynocracy
I don't think that the transfer of ownership will change the franchise at all
If anything Kroenke Jr. will have the same role as he would have even if his daddy’s name was still listed as owner…
+1
He wants to make a good decision. A good decision is based on fact. Everything in Denver right now at the very instant is a huge question mark. Ownership? GM? Head Coach? I’m sure he is waitng to see what decisions are made by the Nuggets before he makes any decision for himself.
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Aug 18, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Melo: You have a chance to be the Anti-LeBron
Loyal to an organization. Classy. Willing to be THE cornerstone of a franchise and not just a piece of a mini-dream team. Heck, I’ll even take it a step further and say that you can help to turn the unfortunate tide that LeBron started and do your part to save the NBA. Stay in Denver Melo. And bring us at least one championship.
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Sadly, that role has already been filled
See Kevin Durant. Then again, it’ll take more than one man to cancel out the travesty/cautionary-tale-in-the-making that is The Little Prince, and nothing would thrill me more than to see Melo follow KD’s fine example.
People have used KD as that positive example before
but he’s more like where Melo was when he signed his first extension. Eventually, when KD is up for extension, and hasn’t won a title yet, people will be comparing him to Melo now, to see if he does whatever Melo’s going to do.
Agreed
But KD’s anti-LeBron-ness goes beyond the way he handled his contract extension. He’s humble, unselfish, and generally shuns the spotlight – everything that LeBron never has been and never will be.
I love Melo, but while he’s far from the world class dbag LeBron is, I’m not sure I’d ever classify him as the anti-LeBron.
When KD's extension is up
he’ll go to play for the Wizards, near where he grew up.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 18, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Little Kroenke will have a big role
but Big K will still be the man with the ultimate power. Basically Big K tells his son and Brent Bearup what kind of fiscal policy he wants and they instruct the GM to build the best team based on that policy. Josh will play the role similar to Chapman in terms of debating and discussing with the GM That fiscal policy before was don’t go to far into luxury tax land, which is why we havent been able to make dynamo moves. Melo already said he doesn’t care about the GM situation. It’s important in terms of trades if we decide to trade Melo but it won’t be a stumbling block to Melo resigning.
I assume this is in reply to my question?
Brad Hawpe - I'm going to miss you most of all....but until then, swing that beautiful swing and maybe just one more put out at home from the RF corner, on one hop.
"You can learn a lot just by watching"-Yogi Berra
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do you have a source
that melo doesn’t care about the GM situation? this would shock me unless he has already made up his mind to leave. If you are right than I will be resigned to losing him.
by Rainbow skyline on Aug 20, 2010 12:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Carmelo read this article
I went on twitter after reading this and someone tweeter him and told him to read it and posted the link. Carmelo himself retweeted it
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Aug 18, 2010 1:55 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yeah he did retweet it...wow.
Although to be completely honest with you, I can’t honestly imagine him reading this whole wall of text…(which i did btw :P)
But if he did, props to him. The guy’s a superstar, multi-million dollar athlete, and he took the time out to read this letter? I respect him a whole lot more now.
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It was me
I tweeted it to him I honestly didn’t think he would retweet or even bother reading it….I guess he did
by Michael Chung on Aug 18, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's cool
learning that he actually read it, i now really wish it was better written. kinda feels like that was our one shot to directly communicate to him and we sorta blew it. oh well.
hard to say whether he’s RTing it cause he thought it was cool or cause he’s thinking, who’s this blogger douche giving me career and marriage advice?
oh and now i see he deleted it. that’s interesting.
Yeah, why would he delete it?
Advice of agent? Phone calls from JR saying he didn’t quit and Kenyon saying he’s earned every penny of his contract? LaLa asking if he’s really considering being apart from her for months at a time so he can tolerate her later? Hmmmmm
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dude that's cool. I like the nothing to lose attitude.
interesting to see how many followers you get from it.
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Aug 18, 2010 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha thanks
Well I really DIDN’T have anything to lose, so I was like what the hell. I got like 5 followers from it if you were curious.
by Michael Chung on Aug 18, 2010 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions
No problem
He deleted it though….its not up anymore
CLEAR SIGN HE IS GOING TO THE KNICKS!!!!
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Lol idk
As long as he read a little to all of it we’re good right ;)
Great letter indeed
Andrew, high kudos to you as always, hope Melo takes the time to look through some of this stuff and actually take his time and think about things.
Again, I think this is a lot of posturing like Kobe did a couple of years ago, totally agree about the lockout leveling the playing field.
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Co sign with Andrew here. After seeing all the crap Melo has gotten during his tenure as a Nugget this process has shown me there’s nowhere Melo is wanted more. Carmelo, if you don’t think we can get it done here in Denver you’re wrong. The Nugs are and have been contenders which can’t be said for the you-know-whos that are trying to sell you a lifestyle instead of a winning culture. There are reasons outside of basketball and money to make your decision and it’s not for us to say which is right. As a fan who is hungry to see this happen soon I can’t help but think that without at least one more year, seven years of building something here will have been a waste if you leave it unfinished.
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Good write up. Honestly I hope he stays in Denver
HOWEVER, Whatever superstar player goes to the Lakers after Kobe retires wont necessarily be in his shadow. Kobe isn’t in Magic’s shadow. Magic wasn’t in Jerry West’s shadow. The logo wasn’t in George Mikan’s shadow.
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Ya but I think Kobe is under contract for like 4-5 more years...
so by that time Melo will already be like 30 and would’ve used most his prime being Kobe’s second banana, which he has too much pride to do…
One thing in sports that pisses me off is that whole loyalty BS ppl talk about...
I’m a firm believer that Melo has the complete right to go wherever he wants next year and it would prob be better that he told the Nuggets he plans on leaving if that’s what he wants, but I don’t understand how come he’s completely ignoring the fact that when he was an ignore no defense kid the Nuggets never gave up on him, they ALWAYS backed him up despite the numerous problems (Stop Snitchin’, the pot situation, the DUI, the MSG fight, constant arguments with Karl when he was younger) but when he gets the chance to reward us for being patient and now that he is a superstar he would want to leave for brighter lights. I hate when people talk about any player (especially KD) being loyal to a franchise or a franchise being loyal to a player (when a player just trades a guy like Camby to the freaking clippers), because they’re all out for their own necks and will dump anyone or leave if it means more money or one more win… Just thought I’d say so… and to be clear I am a huge Melo fan, it just frustrates me that he’d want to leave Denver for NY…
agree about Camby
dude was huge in the community and he gave so much.
We became a better team, but that move was in no way loyal.
by deezNuggets on Aug 19, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
We became a better team because we traded for Billups and Karl committed to defense
Not because we traded Camby.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm with you on that
I sometimes wonder if Camby is the legit defensive center we’ve been missing these past couple years.
I think we’re going to do better by getting somebody with more bulk. I do miss the back door alley-oops, though.
Camby
is not a legit defensive center. He’s not an on the ball defender, he likes to be a help defender who comes in and blocks shots on the guy he’s not defending. When he was here, he was a me-first stats hound who took way to many of his five minute wind up set shots. Remember that trading Camby got the team out from under his contract. They very well may not have traded for Billups and the additional term of his contract if they had been unable to move Camby.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 20, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
hey, Favre came back
now ESPMZ doesn’t have to manufacture any “Melo’s leaving” stories for another couple weeks.
by Rainbow skyline on Aug 18, 2010 8:02 PM MDT reply actions
Let him go...
1. I’ve been saying this for a long time, but the Nuggets aren’t much worse without Carmelo. In fact, he might be the 3rd best player on this team.
2. You can’t win a championship with Carmelo as your best player. In fact, I’d argue that Melo + Amare will never win a championship in NY. Maybe if CP3 joins them.
3. The surest way to kill your team is to max out a guy who’s not a transcendental star. You win championships with guys who are all decade talents…guys who are one of the top 5 guys in the NBA…guys who are significantly more efficient than your average NBA player.
I love the guy, I love watching him, there’s no arguing he can transform a bad team into an above average team, but he’s not a championship level player. I think Dirk is on the edge of being this talent, Carmelo isn’t quite there…that and people seem to overvalue him.
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Did you just say Dirk was better than Melo?
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+1, I hope that was supposed to be funny
And who are the players that are better than Melo on this team?
I'm completely serious...
Melo was probably the 3rd best player on the Nuggets last year. In fact, I’d argue that losing KMart hurt us more than losing Melo (mostly due to our lack of depth at the 4 and 5 spots).
Nene and Chauncey are better TEAM basketball players than Melo.
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Sometimes being a great TEAM player doesn't make your TEAM better
AAA is a better team player but would you say he is better and more valuable than Melo? Melo brings things only stars can and losing him will hurt more than some posters believe IMO.
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I agree with you...
If you take being a “team” player as their only characteristic. I’m sure Dahntay Jones was a great teammate, but he’s a horrible basketball player.
The context I meant it in is there’s certain guys in the league who are very good players, and very efficient basketball players who if you build a team full of them, your team is going to be very good. You’d rather have 4 guys shooting 52% and scoring 10 points a game than one guy shooting 48% and scoring 40. A guy like Chuck Hayes comes to mind as a guy who brings a lot to his team. At the top of this spectrum…and it’s weird saying this because most people know he’s a star, is Tim Duncan. People just don’t realize how ridiculously good Tim Duncan was a few years ago because it’s so hard to measure all the things he brings (floor spacing, rebounding, blocked shots that erase layups that his team recovers, good defense, etc). It’s easy to see a guy who’s athletic and dunking on people and making spectacular shots.
The flipside of this is people have been overrating both Kobe and Carmelo for the last couple years.
No one believes it yet, but Miami is going to be so ridiculously good because their 3 stars are very very good in the context of team basketball. They make their teammates better and are very, very scarily efficient.
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Dude... you know nothing about basketball
The only way guys like AAA, Nene, ect. efficient roll players get their shots is because of double teams on guys like carmelo, or from a distributer like Nash.
You're entitled to your opinion but...
If you watched how the smart teams defended the Nuggets last year they doubled Nene and NOT Carmelo.
Watch how most of the playoff teams defended the Nuggets. I guess they don’t know anything about basketball either huh?
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Of course they doubled carmelo
They double nene because it takes him out of the game mentally, he is a softie.
Go to synergysportstech.com, signup for an account...
Watch every play in the Utah series that Melo had the ball, then go rewatch every play that Nene had the ball…
Repeat for the Mavericks, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs.
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That's silly.
You are saying that the standard of greatness is whether you are double-teamed or not.
How did you come to that conclusion from what I said?
I’m just saying the smarter teams realized that, against popular belief, that Nene shooting a lot and dunking, shooting layups, and assisting on layups was much worse than allowing Melo to take jumpshots or try to take on 3 guys in the paint.
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The Nuggets
are not full of efficient team players and therefore can not lose Melo and be just alright. But it’s hard to say Kobe isn’t efficient after his team has won two straight titles(ugh that makes me cringe).
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Pau Gasol
Is really, really efficient…
I’m not sure if I can state that enough. To top it off, the acquisition of Artest really really helped his defense.
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Those guys never had the success they have had with the Lakers( and I don't mean team success)
Kobe is a selfish player during many stretches but he knows how to get the best out of his teammates.
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I'd agree with that statement...
But also Kobe never had the success he did without Shaq and Pau. Shaq was one of the most efficient players to play the game, and Pau isn’t far behind.
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Sure you can't do it all by yourself
right Lebron?
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Right...
I don’t think people understand how good LeBron really is. They’ll find out this year when his teammates are also retardedly good.
Guy has led his team to the best record in the Eastern Conference 2 years in a row with that supporting cast. If you switched Kobe onto LeBron’s team they’d struggle to make the playoffs. If you put LeBron on Kobe’s team they’d still easily win.
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He did once
but that was because the 8 best teams in the NBA all played in the West and the Cavs quickly got crushed against the Spurs.
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Like I said...
You shouldn’t use a limited sample size of the NBA Playoffs to decide how good someone is because 1. it’s a limited sample size where there’s a lot of short term luck and 2. there’s a lot of variables.
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Take LeBron's body of work as a whole..
He’s so unbelievably good…almost Jordan good.
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What
That doesnt make you a better basketball player at all. That makes no sense.
Let me throw this out there...
Why do you think a lot of foreign basketball teams can hang with the athleticism of US basketball on the international stage? We weren’t able to win until 1. the Dream Team played a team concept, and 2. we built a team around more efficient players (yeah, I know Carmelo was on that team).
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They didn't hang with the athleticism
they used the international style of play to their advantage, played more physically and got under the skin of the players to minimize the US athletic and talent advantage. But when the US started to focus better they crushed everyone(Beijing), a bunch of big egos who are not used to international play takes awhile to mend. But almost nobody would want any other team to coach than the US team if their goal is to win.
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That's what I'm saying...
Sometimes it’s better to build a basketball team of complimentary skills, guys who play efficiently because they can hang with and beat teams that are way more talented.
Also, I wouldn’t say they crushed Spain.
Further, LeBron and Wade are really, really efficient.
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OK I can get with that
and in some cases it works out like with the Spurs, no huge stars but a lot of efficiency. But for many teams they can’t work that way and the Nuggets are far from being that type of team. I’d still take the USA team over the Spain team any day and I think the US will show that again in 2012.
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Go back in history
and I think you’ll see many champion teams have had at least one big name, more often that not you need that talent along side some good complimentary players but you can’t do it with just simply a group of solid but not great players. I think the Nugs have a team good enough to win it all with their star in Melo. Sure he can and maybe needs to become a more complete player but the talent is there. He is getting better every year IMO as well, one year it will come together and we will win it all, at least that’s the most likely scenario for a championship in Denver in the next decade.
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You're absolutely right...
The championship teams have a big name who is very efficient.
2010 – Pau Gasol
2009 – Pau Gasol
2008 – Ray Allen and KG are 2 of the most efficient players of the last decade
2007 – Duncan
2006 – Wade, Shaq brought out his former self too
2005 – Duncan
2004 – Exception (Detroit), this was a good all around team
2003 – Duncan
2000-2002 – Shaq, Shaq, Shaq
Chicago Bulls teams – Michael Jordan
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Carmelo doesn't fit that category...
I think we can win a championship with him if he accepts that he’s not one of those guys and assuming we surround him with a lot of guys like AAA and Chauncey.
As Andrew says, if DWill or CP3 comes, we’re an instant contender.
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I can follow that logic
Though due to a variety of factors, we did get to the WCF the year that Melo’s scoring average dropped dramatically.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 19, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
that was the year
he was facilitating more
by deezNuggets on Aug 19, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup
Averaged about the same # of assists per game and FG%, but was taking less shots
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 19, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
No variety of other factors I don't think
I think it was almost a perfect 100% correlation. It has been that way the last couple years. If Melo scores 20 to 25 efficiently the Nugs are pretty much unbeatable.
I weight that highly, I just wasn't going to say that was the only reason
and have someone jump all over me.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 20, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I was thinking so
Just thought I’d up the ante a bit for ya.
I'm not sure if you are making the case that the Lakers could have won the last two championships without Kobe because Gasol is JUST THAT DAMN GOOD.
But if you are, you are not watching the games bro. Step away from sports center.
I feel like I'm explaining things to a 5 year old..
The conclusion isn’t the Lakers didn’t need Kobe. The conclusion was championship teams have players who play at a high level and use a large number of shots more efficiently than non championship teams. Against good teams, being a little bit better over the course of the game WINS the game.
Usually that guy IS your superstar. However, on the last 2 Laker’s teams, that player was Gasol. On the Bull’s championship teams they had 2 guys, one was the most efficient player ever, Jordan, and another in Pippen. What happened when 2 really efficient guys teamed up, one of which was a superstar and the other probably undervalued? NBA records got broken.
The takeaway is if you’re giving max money to a guy who you think is a star and he’s not a true superstar you’re going to be stuck as a mediocre to good team for a long time. In order to win, you’re going to have to fleece someone in a trade or identify players with high usage and high efficiency. Dirk was on the edge of where he needed to be a few years ago and now Dallas probably won’t win a championship in the Dirk Era without signing a CP3. Franchises who sign non superstars to superstar contracts set themselves back years (Joe Johnson, KMart, Arenas). You pretty much don’t win championships in the NBA unless you have a player who uses a large # of possessions very efficiently.
If you want to prove this theory, I’ll bet any amount you want that the Heat will win more than 68 games this year (if one of the big 3 gets injured, the bet is off). I’d be willing to put a reasonable amount down that they win more than 70 too.
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I can think of one obvious exception...
The converse is you can be exceptionally efficient on defense. That’s a harder task because 1. it’s hard to identify good defenders and 2. it’s hard to put together a whole team of good defenders, and 3. it’s hard to predict how your defense will gel.
See 1994 Chicago Bulls. They were able to make up for lack of offense by becoming ridiculously good on defense after Jordan’s retirement.
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The Spurs did have a huge star...
His name was Tim Duncan. Most people just didn’t realize quite how much of a star he was because he’s not flashy. He’s been consistently great for so long. He doesn’t score 50 points, but he puts up his 20 points a night and 10 rebounds very efficiently. He can’t necessarily score when the Spurs need a bucket, but his team, throughout the course of the game is consistently better than the other team.
The Nuggets have done a good job of building a team like that with Lawson, Chauncey, Nene and AAA. That’s why we’ve seen so much success in the last couple years, especially since acquiring Chauncey.
I’d take Team USA too :)
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Yeah, Carmelo was on the team
He was the best player on the team. His game translates to the international game better than anyone in the NBA, include Kobe and Lebron. If the NBA played international rules, the nuggets would win every year.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 19, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions
that's an interesting take
on KMart’s impact. I’ve always been a KMart supporter, but to think that maybe his impact was augmented by the fact that we lacked the depth to be able to win without him. Interesting. I can see that.
by deezNuggets on Aug 19, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
In terms of athleticism no...
In terms of shot creation and clutch play, he’s not as good as Melo. In terms of overall play and how he fits in with a team, and winning…I think he’s a better player than Carmelo. A guy like Duncan is always going to be underrated because people don’t understand everything he brings to the table and because his game isn’t as athletic as some other guys.
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Winning?
one finals and one choke job in them and otherwise always disappointment for his team. Overall play wise he is softer than Melo, doesn’t play much better defense and does not have the ability to score from as many positions. I would pick Melo in a heartbeat, don’t think Dirk has a huge reputation as assist master either.
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I could say the same thing about Melo..
A bunch of first round exits, one WCF choke job, otherwise always disappointments for his team.
He plays more within the offense than Melo does and he’s more efficient with his shots. Ability to score != better player.
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He makes the ridiculous shots
but I think Melo creates better shots more consistently. Yeah Melo hasn’t had great playoff success but I’m not comparing him to Kobe. The Nuggets have been weaker than Dallas more often than Dallas has been weaker than the Nugs over years past.
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I don't think you can judge a guy by playoff success alone...
A lot of that is determined by team surrounding him, luck, etc.
Melo takes a lot of bad shots and gets rejected more than almost anyone else in the league. On top of it, those rejections are costly because they’re layups which result in fast breaks for the opposing team.
How many times have you seen Carmelo try to take it to 3 guys? It works really well when he gets calls. But when Carmelo isn’t getting calls, the Nuggets struggle.
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What?
So you are saying that dirk isnt surrounded by good guys? You mean the Mavericks right? the team owned by Cuban right?
When did I say the Mavs had bad players?
I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s valid to compare 2 guys based on their team’s performance in a small sample size like the playoffs because there are too many variables and too much variance.
There are too many variables like officiating, adjustments, injuries, play of teammates, short term luck, etc.
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He doesn't get many calls
but he creates the opportunities to get the calls, this can be seen by the 14.2 ref yellings he average per game.
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The thing is this...
Carmelo is a beast when he’s taking it to 3 guys and getting calls. When he’s not, he’s really inefficient and his teams would be better off if he didn’t do that.
I mean, maybe he just needs to learn to understand how the refs are calling the game. I’m also sure he could be a much better player if he shot less.
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If Melo was in Gold and purple
his per would be like 25. He would have 0 offensive fouls, and 20 FT makes a night, you know this.
-500
Do you ever even watch a game? Take any player on this team away (as has been done for many of them) except Melo, this is still a playoff team. Take Melo away, hello lottery. It’s not an accident that this team has made the playoffs every year since Melo arrived, and couldn’t make it prior to his arrival.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 19, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
You are wrong my man
Nugs win without Melo every year. They lose a guy like Kmart or Billups and they are in big trouble. If the Nugs lose Melo before this year but get a guy that puts up an efficient 20 per night they will be in a better spot. Detroit Pistons of old anybody? That is the direction the Nugs will take and I’d be willing to put money on it after the trade that the Nugs will be better off without him if they get the right player. That player won’t have nearly as much star power either.
If Melo does leave
I hope the new GM does construct the team that way and doesn’t fall for overpaying a guy that puts up stats but isn’t efficient.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 19, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Gasus takes a very small sample size and extrapolates it over the year
It only works during short periods of time because everyone is striving EXTRA hard to compensate for Melo’s absence. However….if Melo was injured and out for the season, you would find the Nuggets struggling to score because they can’t possibly put forth that much effort over 82 games
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Detroit basketball of yesteryear
That is all I have to say. I hope the Nugs move Melo for Scola, Martin, and one of the Knicks firsts to Houston. Then you would see what team ball is all about with Chauncey running the show and a bunch of really good complimentary players on the team. Nugs would be the deepest team in the league if they could make this move.
exactly
Billups would run out of gas about halfway through the season.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 19, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
joey graham
IMO was a huge part of that success also.
chan brought up the point that when Kenyon was injured we suffered from lack of depth in the frontcourt. Joey is a little undersized at the 4, and shared time with Tacos.
But he really seemed to step it up when Melo was out.
Joey was the man
Letting him go was NOT a good decision.
The truth is...
In the short term, we don’t lose very much without Carmelo. In the long run, we are worse without Carmelo once teams adjust…and it boils down to lack of shot creation. However, we’re not as worse off as you’d think. We might be 5 wins worse without Carmelo over the course of the season. Additionally, most people overvalue Carmelo, so I think if you’re looking at it from a maximizing value standpoint, I think we can replace Carmelo’s defense and upgrade our defense for a lot less than a max contract.
Don’t get me wrong, I love watching him and I think he does amazing things, but I think it’s hard to win a championship with Carmelo as your best player.
Also, take some of this with a grain of salt as the 1994 Chicago Bulls were 2 wins worse without Jordan and we all know how great Jordan was.
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5 wins worse
puts them in the lottery.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 20, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Ehhh
Efficiency wise, I agree with you. In fact you only need to look at Melo’s true shooting percentage to find that his reputation and scoring prowess is a little misleading. But, Melo is often a nightmare matchup for most teams, he commands so much attention and from a pure production standpoint you’re leaving too large of a void to be filled in a realistic trade that keeps this team competitive. The Nuggets are better of rebuilding if they trade him and possibly swapping out another piece of their core. They certainly won’t be fine and they’d have to choose between finding a young scorer to develop some chemistry with Lawson or changing the coach and system to take advantage of Chauncey’s ability to post up and play in the half court. Either way, if it goes down like that then it’s a good idea to start gathering whatever picks and future flexibility they can while slashing the maximum amount of payroll. It just doesn’t make sense to shell out anywhere near this kind of payroll for a team who’s cieling will be a 6th to an 8th playoff seed. We’ve seen that movie before.
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by runningdonut on Aug 19, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
The thing is his TS% is actually really good...
You need to look at his eFG% + TS% + lack of defense to get the whole picture. His eFG% and offensive efficiency isn’t that of an elite player. He makes up for it somewhat by getting to the line…you would think that’s good….lots of easy points, but getting to the line depends on ability + how the refs call the game. We all know that the later plays a huge role in NBA games on a game by game basis. Inherently, this creates more variance in a player’s output and the more variance, the worse your team is in general (think this year’s Rockies). Would you rather have a guy who averages 20-10 and gets 20-10 every night on 50% shooting or a guy who averages 20-10 (example is extreme) but one night puts up 40 on 100% shooting and the next night puts up 0 points on 0% shooting. Both players average 20 points a game right?
I agree he’s a tough matchup…he’s not efficient enough to be a nightmare matchup. When he’s on fire, he’s very tough to deal with. Durant is a player who is similar to Melo but is more efficient.
I think there’s several ways to look at the Carmelo situation. The first is surround him with a solid, efficient team…Al Horford + Marc Gasol. I think a team with Melo + solid, efficient front court guys could contend.
The second school of thought is try to sign CP3 + either Horford or Gasol and keep Melo.
The 3rd school of thought is to say screw it, we don’t need him…let’s sign CP3, Horford, and Gasol. I think this team could also be very, very good with the nucleus we have.
The point is next year’s free agent class is going to be sick…with very, very good players who don’t have the reputation Carmelo does, but who are every bit as valuable and we wouldn’t have to max them out like we’d have to Carmelo. By max them out I mean a team can pay more for its own free agent.
A bunch of guys who put up 15 each, efficiently > than a guy who puts up 30 less efficiently.
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You're very mistaken there
54% TS% is not good at all. Did you know that last year more than half of the Nuggets roster had a better TS% than him. Nene led the league and Chauncey was top 10. Melo was behind not only them but also Birdman, Lawson, Afflalo, Graham and Petro. He’s not “really good” in that department by any stretch of the imagination – true shooting % factors in free throws by the way.
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by runningdonut on Aug 20, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
54% TS% is actually pretty good for a non center...
For a small forward, it puts him in the top 20% of small forwards, but not in an elite category. It’s a little bit better considering his usage is kind of high. My argument was that Melo is better than his eFG% would indicate because he gets to the line a lot – as indicated by TS%. Personally, I think his TS% is good, but not elite, and hence why I’ve taken the position I have throughout this thread.
But now you understand my point that the difference between a good player and an elite player and that losing Carmelo might not make that much of a difference. LeBron and Durant are at 60% TS%, also with high usage. In fact, he’s not very efficient for his own team! If you truly examine the Nuggets, you’d see that both Chauncey and Nene are more important to the success of the Nuggets than Melo.
The organization, in the last few years has done an EXCELLENT job of identifying these role players who are very efficient and undervalued. Why overpay someone who is overvalued when you can identify more undervalued assets, especially when you have a free agent class coming up full of these guys?
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Wow Chatech you just lost any credibility you may have once held
How are we better off without Melo? How? Do you understand what Melo is? He’s a franchise player. That means that as long as Melo is on our team each year when the season starts we can say “At least we have a chance at contending.” Without Melo we can’t say that. We can put as good of a team around Melo as we want but without him we will never be in contention. Talk all you want about efficiency but the bottom line is Melo is pure NBA ensurance that no matter the situation he will give you a chance to win. Not many players int he NBA can say that.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I understand what Melo is...
He’s a star in the NBA…but not quite a superstar or franchise player. You’d have to put together a very good team to win a championship with him as your best player. If you’re maxing him out, because he’s not as productive as a max guy should be your team is going to have problems winning championships.
Think a little worse than Dirk in his prime…I’m up in the air if you could win a championship with Dirk as your best player in his prime. I don’t think you can now.
A good example is Joe Johnson…is he worth a max contract?? Hell no. Atlanta set their franchise back years. For a max contract, you should be getting a DWade, CP3, LeBron, Bosh, Howard, Gasol, etc.
For the record, I disagree that without him we wouldn’t be in contention. If you’re saying that because you think no team can compete with the Heat, I’ll buy that. If you’re saying that because you think that Melo is our best option for a championship, I don’t necessarily buy that.
Oh, and I agree that he gives you a chance to win more games…he can improve a bottom feeder by 15 wins…but it’d be hard to win a championship with Carmelo as your best player.
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Gasol a franchise player?
And Melo isn’t? How exactly to you come to that conclusion? I, for one, just find it extremely hard to believe that you’d be saying that same thing had Gasol still been playing for the Grizz, but that’s just me. And as far as Max money goes, just because someone’s your franchise player doens’t mean they deserve max money. That would be a stupid mistake if every team went by that motto. Finally, do you realize how close we came to a title with Melo as our best player? Had the Lakers not pulled the trade for your favorite Mr. Efficiency Guy the Nuggets would have beat them that year and would have beat the Magic in the Finals.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Carmelo is the franchise player in Denver
Before he came to Denver, we didn’t have a player to build around. (unless you wanted to build around Andersen and Nene)
The record was 17-65
Couldn’t sellout games. Quite frankly, we sucked.
Now look where we’re at. A top team in the West, contending with teams such as the Lakers, Jazz, Suns, Spurs, Mavericks.
Carmelo is the face of Denver basketball. The Nuggets are a 40-42 team without him.
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uhhh
are u saying that dwade, lebron, cp3, bosh, howard and gasol deserve max contracts and melo doesnt???
dwade has been kicked out of the first round similar to melo what, 2-3 yrs in a row?
lebron couldnt even get his “favored to win it all” a championship
cp3? really? he missed almost all of last season and the hornets werent doin nething when he was playing
bosh, come on now. do i even have to go there? did he do more 4 his team than melo?
howard for his size should be better than he is. he doesnt even have an elite post game
and gasol wouldnt get la a championship w/o kobe and probably vise versa. unless they’re winning championships, they’re all in the same boat to me
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To a certain extent, that's what I'm saying...
In the subjective term “deserves” I think Melo does deserve a max contract. He’s increased the value of the franchise, sold tickets, and has played hard throughout his career in Denver.
Objectively, if your goal is to win a championship and spend prudently, then I’m not sure that it’s wise to give him a max contract. LeBron, the league MVP, signed for less than max, so surely, you shouldn’t be paying Melo a max contract right? He’s not a LeBron, Wade or Bosh in terms of efficiency, and it’d be hard to win a championship with him as your #1, so, it’d be foolish to max the guy out. If we could resign him for less than Miami got Wade for, I’d be all for it. But, fact is, Melo is overvalued because of 1. who he is and 2. his scoring ability. Why not sign Horford, who is very good and undervalued and CP3 for the price of Melo??
You can’t evaluate someone based on championships they’ve won. In your scenario, we should have signed Jordan Farmar and trade for Sasha Vujacic, and then max them out!
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My God
I am praying right now that Melo isn’t reading the comment section of this post. Hell, I kind of wish he didn’t read the actual Feinstein post, which it appears he did via twitter. That Yoko article was purely intended to be a fan read but I can’t imagine that Melo would read just this article if he was directed to STiffs. I really bet once here he scrolled around a bit and if he found the Yoko article probably got pissed. At this point in time its probably smart for the fans to stay as far away as possible from Melo. We’re crazy, a lot of the times we do dumb things, and I hope Melo just doesnt’ confuse any of it as signs that NY is calling his name.
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Meh
I’m sure if he did the same and perused Knicks fan sites, he’d find people talking shit there, too.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 19, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
If Melo re-signs with Denver
The amount of shit they will dump on him will dwarf what he is reading now.
The amount of shit New York can dump
is also referred to as New Jersey. HEYO!
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 19, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL at a few fan comments causing a guy not to re-sign...
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HEY DENVER FANS!!
I am a Houston Rockets fan and all we are talking about over on our side of the fence is what we can do to get Carmelo on our squad. I know that Melo has a lot of control over the situation with his superstar status but I was wondering, if you guys HAD to lose Melo, would you consider some of the pieces that we can offer in a trade worth a look? Who on our squad do you think would HAVE to be involved to make it feasible? I know it is hard to think about losing a player like Melo and I dont want to hear a bunch of unreasonable deals suggested, just wanted to know, as fans, what kind of package would be acceptable in return for Melo being a Houston Rocket. Thanks guys!
by theSpaceCityKid on Aug 19, 2010 11:37 AM MDT reply actions
I'll tell you right now
First off, I highly doubt that Melo gets traded to the Rockets. I’m not trying to be a buzzkill for you guys in Houston but I just think that if Melo is traded it’s either going to be to NY or NJ because both of those teams have ties to the area in which is was born and has said he would like to play for. But if for some reason Houston does end up getting Melo the only players I feel would be worth making the deal for would be Yao, Martin and Battier. Thing is, Yao isn’t looking good with his healthy these days and he is the face of that franchise so I can’t see him getting traded. That pretty much only leaves Battier and Martin and if Battier were to sign an extension then I think the combo of him and Martin along with some draft picks would be good enough for both sides. Again though, Houston doesn’t exactly have the brightest future with Yao’s body and age and you have to ask the question, would Melo always be somewhat in Yao’s shadow? I don’t think Melo would like that because he already admitted to not liking being in Chauncey’s.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 19, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Scola, Martin, and a NY first would be fair for Melo
Both sides get what they want this way. I actually think this is the best realistic trade the Nugs can make with either Houston, NJ, or NY. I would love it as a Houston fan and understand it as a good trade as a Nugs fan.
Check the fanposts on the righthand side
There’s a Houston/Melo trade thread there
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 19, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
In their prime
Olajuwan and Clyde the glide would work
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 19, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
You could maybe getting
Martin OR Scola packaged with any combination of Battier (expiring), Jeffries (expiring), Budinger, HIll and both the NYK 1st rounders that we have. Youll NEVER get Yao because we’ve been waiting for him to come off this foot injury to make some of the money we pay him and were all looking forward to a big year from him (hopefully). However, @GoldenNugget, our teams future outshines that of NJ and NYK combined, IMO. I dont think Melo would be worried about being in Yao’s shadow, as it is almost common knowledge that in today’s league you need a nice big to team with any scoring superstar and Yao has proven he can do that if he can stay healthy. I think that as a fan you have to think of what your team will be left with if you lose one of your main contributors. In my honest opinion I think we have a supply of quality players that will leave your squad a WHOLE lot deeper with a range of possibilities and options with more pieces for additional trades, expiring contract cap relief, additional 1st round draft picks that have a VERY good chance of being great lottery picks.
by theSpaceCityKid on Aug 19, 2010 1:05 PM MDT reply actions
That is just fandom talking Space Kid
Houston would love Scola, Martin, and a NY first for Melo. They would jump all over it while the Nugs FO would have to mull it over for a while. I imagine they would bite eventually though if the rumors about Melo have truth to them. You would automatically jump to legit contenders and the Nugs would stay at legit contender status. It would make your team better and change our team into something I think would be better. A trade for a top 7 player in the game on an extended contract is going to involve at least 2 semi-stars and picks. If not it would be 3 semi stars and a later pick. Houston would love this deal as it would make them legit for the next 4 years at least and more if Melo doesn’t bail on you too.
I think Yao's best days are past.
I’m not a Yao hater either. Truth is, he’s not getting any younger, he’s past his prime and plagued by foot problems. Carrying around 310 lbs on a 7’6" frame is hard enough but then running the court for years…it hurts you.
Saying Yao's best years are behind him is foolish
He hasnt even played that much the last two years DUE to this injury. Now i will admit that there is a possibility that he wont come back from the surgery very well, which could end his career, but if he does then Yao Ming is a consistent 20 and 10 guy for another 2 or three seasons and still could make a run at the HOF caliber career.
by theSpaceCityKid on Aug 19, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
the History
of the NBA says when a big guy starts having foot problems, they don’t go away. There is a good chance Yao is never healthy for a full season again, if he is able to play at all. Look at Muresan and Walton. Houston would be lucky if anyone would trade them a box of jelly doughnuts for Yao at this point.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 19, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude turns 31 in less than a month
Chronic foot problems for a man that size mean he’s never going to return to his full glory. It’s sad to say since I like the guy, but it is what it is.
Like in a past mobile commercial, if he wants to keep tricking Dwayne Wade into eating hostile live animals, I’m cool with that.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 19, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think it's a terrible bet
that he has already played his best year. He can still be a great player if he stays healthy, and may even get consideration for the HOF, but I don’t think betting that his best years are ahead of him is any wiser.
I guess all im sayin is
IF he does come back healthy, he would come back into a modified role especially early in the season, where he would get very limited minutes. We have the squad to maintain without him playing 35 min every single game. Especially since we picked up a serviceable 7 fter in Miller. SO the point is that Yao healthy means Yao fresh in the playoffs next year and you cant sit here and say he doesnt have game and pose a threat to any big man in the league. Whos better? Its a short list.
by theSpaceCityKid on Aug 20, 2010 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Nobody said he doesn't have game
You said,
Saying Yao’s best years are behind him is foolish
On the contrary, I think everyone here knows he’s a force when he’s healthy, and keeping him fresh for the playoffs would be the smart move.
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 20, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
i dont think so
You THINK we would jump on that deal but in fact I believe our FO thinks we have a team that can compete already and there is certainly an argument to be made for that. I think, and i could be wrong, that we will offer ONE of our top players, teamed with 2 of our high quality youngsters (who i think youre underrating) and the picks. Since out GM is the king of multi team deals im sure he could bring someone else in and get the Nugs some more players/picks or maybe get our 6mil TPE involved. I truly believe we will make our offer, knowing a few things already:
1)we presented a good package with plenty of upside for DEN
2)DEN will be taking what they can get at some point and we might STILL present the best option at that point.
3)if he resigns w/ DEN or goes elsewhere it doesnt matter because we offered what we could and we can still contend as is.
4)melo isnt the only fish in the sea and we have a lot of great trading chips and along time before the deadline.
by theSpaceCityKid on Aug 19, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
You won't get him then
But you are wrong about what your FO would take anyway so it doesn’t really matter to me.
Great letter to Melo!
Great letter to Melo, Andrew! I came down from Montana to be at the Pepsi Center for Melo’s very first game as a Nugget, and have loved watching him play, especially after Coach K got him playing D. I’ve been a Nuggs fan since they began in the ABA, and after 7 years of Melo posting and driving, still feel the Nuggets best chance in all those years for an NBA championship is with Melo and my homeboy, Chauncey. Wish I could go to every game. There is no better sports town than Denver. Period. I hope he sees that and stays to become the John Elway of Denver basketball…patience, young man, patience.
I said this in the beginning of Free Agency and I'll say it again..
The Nuggets have a lot more leverage than being given credit to… think about it, if they don’t trade MElo (which they shouldn’t and hopefully won’t) then he’ll have to decide to re-sign or take a massive pay cut to play for a crappy NY team… I doubt he’d leave like 20 million on the table to play for a worse team in NY
definitely think Melo's inner circle wants him out of Denver because it doesnt have "the right image"
Or they think it doesn’t.
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 23, 2010 10:43 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
MELO DEF LISTENS TO HIMSELF
MAYBE LALA’S IMAGE IS A DISTRACTION BUT I DOUBT HIS FRIENDS HAVE ANY SAY!
I MUST SAY...
BEST BLOG WRITTEN IN A WHILE!!! FAVORITE PART HAS TO BE AND I QUOTE.. I guess this is my round-about way of saying you don’t owe us much. After playing hard for seven years, you’ve earned the right to play in any market of your choosing (as you’re alleged to be desirous of) and I – and many fans just like me – wish you nothing but the best for you and your family wherever you end up..AND QUOTE.. DONT CARE WHAT THEY SAY YA NAILED IT KID!!

















