The Miami Experiment
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 21, 2010 4:29 PM MDT
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As much as I dislike Lebron James right now, and hope that they fail utterly, this is a very interesting experiment we are going to get to watch in Miami. It's the kind of thing that people always speculate about but no one every tries. Like never punting in the NFL or running a version of the college option as your main offense in the NFL. It would be fun to see, but could be a disaster so no one ever tries it.
With today's signing of Juwan Howard, the team is essentially set. They now have 13 players under contract for next season. The rotation looks to be some variation of:
PG Chalmers
SG Wade
SF James
PF Bosh
C Ilgauskas
with Mike Miller, Haslem, Joel Anthony, and Howard off the bench. In terms of PER Haslem and Miller are at about 14, while Ilgauskas is at 12, and Chalmers, Anthony, Howard and everyone else are10 or less. For comparisons sake, Nene is 19, Bird 16, JR 15, and A.C. at 10.
So they've got the three superstars and two A.C.'s starting, and a bench made up of two poor mans J.R.'s and a bunch more A.C.'s. I don't like having one A.C. on our team, and they've got 7 of him. Four or five A.C.s will be playing in the regular rotation. The starting rotation will obviously be able to score, but what happens when the subs show up? Think of an A.C., slow J.R., Anthony, Injured Kmart, Petro type lineup when they run out a lineup of Miller, Wade or James at PG, Haslem, Howard, and Joel Anthony. Who couldn't defend that team pretty effectively? As old as they are, they are going to have to use at least a 10 player rotation, and you are likely to see 5 to 7 minutes a half of some lineup like that. The only way to avoid four backups in the game at once is to have the three superstars split their minutes to make sure that two of them are on the court at all times, and even that is defensible as we saw with Melo and Iverson. And keeping two of them on the court at all times would mean a really weird rotation, like one of them not starting or one of them starting and playing deep into the second and fourth quarters then sitting out the end of halfs, which isn't going to happen. As old as their rotation is going to be, injuries will happen, and then they're A.C.'s are playing longer minutes and wearing themselves out.
I don't think this team can win 50 games, much less the championship. I'm choosing lose in the Semis, but with an improving eastern conference, I won't be surprised if it's lose in the first round. Don't forget how much everyone will be gunning for them this year, they could easily wind up a lower seed and half to face an Orlando or Chicago or Boston in the first or second round on the road. If they were in the western conference, I'd say they miss the playoffs.
I could very well be completely wrong about this. Pat Reilly's pinky knows more about basketball than me. But I see a train wreck. What do you guys think?
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You're view is all messed up...
the fact that they have 3 players who all averaged 25+ ppg is going to make them extremely hard to guard and the other two players on the court will always have open looks… not to mention Chalmers, Miller, Z, Haslem and too extent Anthony are all good players… it’s nothing like playing 7 ACs…
That's the plan
and it may work. But even the optimistic like you have to admit they have no margin for error. This is an all or nothing proposition. They have to win the title or they are a complete failure. They have no depth, so any injury will be a huge deal. They are going to be under more pressure than any of them have ever dealt with in the past. They aren’t like the Lakers or the Celtics with enough depth to overcome an injury to one of their key guys – if any of the top 7 players gets hurt, they are in big trouble.
If you remember the Jordan-Pippen-Rodman Bulls teams, they won but they were very much challenged. I think those teams had a better supporting cast, and none of these guys is Jordan.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Initially the team will be good, win a lot of regular season games but won't be relevant until Year 3
The 3 superstar shovel-full is so overused right now. Several teams have multiple very-good to great players on their team; but you need depth; or was the Nugs 2010 failures not a sufficient learning lesson.
The key to the Heat will be in years 3 & 4 when they’re able to build onto the existing core with additional FA & trades. This year, the Nugs were able to sign Al Harrington; the Heat could not do this. But next year and the year after that and the year after that is when they’ll be able to bring in the valuable MLE to their roster. That’s when the Heat will be dangerous.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
The class of the East is still Orlando & Boston
Until Miami proves otherwise… but they have to prove it. This isn’t ESPN; it actually has to be proven on the court and not ordained by a bunch of talking heads.
You could also change it to self-congratulatory talking heads if you like.
“Thank you for tuning into ESPN radio; now being interviewed is a 2nd ESPN employee who’ll spend the next few minutes confirming everything I said is true because he said so. And in the next hour we’ll have a round table discussion by other ESPN employees all saying everything they say is true and can be backed by another ESPN employee…
And this just in… according to ESPN sources, prior to 1979 when ESPN was created, the world was actually flat!"
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
by the word on Jul 27, 2010 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
year 3
If it takes that long for them to win, they won’t win. If they don’t win and win big this year, the pressure and the egos will destroy the team. I initially thought about them getting better by adding mid level free agents, but they will also be getting older at the same time. How many more years can ilgauskis play? Howard? I think they’ll lose as many players to age and injury as they are able to add with the midlevel. They are either going to have to get very lucky with a young unproven guy or convince more guys to take less money to play for them if they want to improve their depth.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 28, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah it might not work, or they could have a perfect season
Its more of a crap shoot than the morning after a Taco Bell fourth meal.
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 21, 2010 5:53 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
thanks for the visual
I doubt they’ll be as shitty.
by deezNuggets on Jul 22, 2010 12:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Or have as much corn
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 22, 2010 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
is that 'Joel's Opinion" or "Joel's Personal Experience"
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 23, 2010 8:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That's
Joel’s-google that shit-opinion
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 27, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
NO, KOBE RULEZ!!!!11!
KOBE SHITS ALL OVER EVERYONE ALL THE TIME< KOBE COULD SHOW UP TO STAPLES LIKE A PICK UP GAME< GET THE FIRST FOUR GUYS FROM THE CROWD AND RAIN DOWN CHAMPIONSIHPS ON UR AZZEZ..rezpect!
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It was on company property, with company property. So, double jeopardy, we're fine.
NO, CP3 ROOOLZ!!!!!
HE’LL FLOP YOU OUT OF THE GAME, PUT UP SICK NUMBERS, INJURE HIMSELF, DEMAND A TRADE, AND THEN REAPPEAR IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOCATION. YOU’LL BE ALL LIKE WOOAAAAAAH!!!! WUH HAPPENED?!?!
by deezNuggets on Jul 22, 2010 12:38 AM MDT up reply actions
LOL
DON'T TELL AL GORE WHERE I AM!!!
by manbearpig5000000 on Jul 26, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
It could fail
I still want to know who is the alpha dog btw LBJ and Wade.
Will LePout be the one to dominate? If so expect an early exit.
If DWade dominated then they may win.
Also, I feel like C Bosh would work on a two star team like Gasol on LAL, but the offensive focus will be on LBJ and Wade in Miami.
I don’t think Bosh is a scrappy player( think Dennis Rodman on the Bulls when he was with two great wing players) like the Heat need him to be. Bosh is way more finesse and plays smaller than 6’11". Plus he sucks at D!
by JR15 on Jul 21, 2010 6:09 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Good point about Bosh
Couldn’t agree more, but he’s not a total weak link on defense. I’ve actually seen him play pretty good defense before. But I agree about them needing a banger inside. I think Anthony and Haslem may provide them with that.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Anthony and Haslem are bangers?
LOL, funny shit.
As apposed to who else in the league right now?
Lets face it, other than Kendrik Perkins I don’t know of anybody else in the league right now you could say is a “banger” inside. Anthony and Haslem are as close as anybody imo.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
imo, LOL
Even funnier. Try out Shaq, Bynum, Howard, Kmart, Boozer, Yao, either Lopez brother, Duncan, Millsap, Noah, Haywood, Dampier, Garnett, Perkins, and then you could get into many guys that play small forward who are better inside than those two clowns. Melo is better inside than either as is Artest and Wallace from Charlotte. There are litterally 100 or so guys better inside than those two. JJ Hickson of the Cavs, Varagina, Scola, I could go on for ever…
So sick of people supporting this mockery of sport in Miami. What the hell does loyalty mean anymore in the NBA? A bunch of joke ass, spoiled rich kids colluding together to play with eachother and not beat eachother. Give me a fucking break. One of the guys even fucks his home town and state on national television and you still support that shit?
The NBA is in serious trouble if the keep allowing the players to have so much control over where they go and who they play with. If I was the owners this pathetic event would cause me to sell my team if nothing is done to change it. How the fuck can you look at a bunch of pussies like the 3 in Miami and respect that they would rather play with eachother than beat eachother?
Easy there buddy
All I’m saying, and was saying is that Haslem and Anthony should provide them with inside defensive presences that they need. Glad you took the time to name all of the “bangers” in the NBA but that wasn’t really the point. And while were on our soap boxes here let me tell you all the things I am tired of. I’m tired of people labeling Lebron, Wade and Bosh as “spoiled rich kids colluding together” who are bad people for leaving their teams. NEWSFLASH: this happens every day in sports!!! Why is it such a big deal now??? Is it because they are friends? Is it because they are a hell of a lot better than most of the people who might have done this before them? If that’s the case then that’s total bs. If you’re going to hold them to those standards than you need to hold everyone else to them as well. So next time say Luke Ridnour and a couple of his friends get together and sign at the same place I hope to see you Gasus, up in arms about the entire situation. And last time I checked isn’t everybody in the NBA a spoiled rich kid? That was a lame as comment my friend. Most of the guys in the leauge grew up in low income neighborhoods with not a whole lot to look forward to and worked their asses off to get where they are now.
Lets see, I’m also tired of everyone in the world taking this whole situation so damn personally. You can say this is bad for the NBA all you want but the fact of the matter is the leauge has gotten more attention this past offseason than it has in years, maybe even since the leauge began. I guarantee there are more fans of the NBA right now than ever, and with this team that number is only going to grow. I mean, how can you not want to see this experiment play out? We always dream of it, we sit here all day on Stiffs and think of these wacky trade proposals that would never happen, then when one finally does we hate it? Whats wrong with that picture.
Bottom line is the NBA right now maybe more than ever is a league that is extremely top heavy. So how can you not justify great players like Lebron and Bosh’s hunger for wining titles by taking their destiny into their own hands while they have the chance? What do you honestly expect them to do, sit around in horrible franchises like the Raptors and Cavs for their entire careers with no help ever? They stayed with those franchises for six years and got jack s*&t out of it. I don’t blame them one bit for letting their competitve sides out and wanting to go against Kobe and his crew (which by the way Kobe got handed to him like he always has throughout his career so he wouldn’t have to leave) in the Finals. Hell, maybe if the NBA had collectively a better crop of GMs we wouldn’t even be having this conversation right now.
But the comment you made that I simply can’t stand to hear is “How the f*$k can you look at a bunch of pu**ies like the three in Miami and respect that they would rather play with each other than beat each other?” My God, that is so simple minded on so many levels. Is that all this huge deal has come to be? Just the simple fact that they should have stayed on their teams so twice a year they could playe against that person? That’s all their careers, dreams, desires, aspirations of playing in theis league amount to? Just because the greatest basketball player of all time said that doesn’t mean it’s how these three guys should be looking at it as well. That’s why Jordan was the greatest and thats why Lebron, Wade and Bosh and anybody else who has ever played that game isn’t.
Look, I’m not neccisarily thrilled about the whole Miami thing, but I certainly am not going to be bashing it as long as it brings more attention and coverage to my favorite sport. It creates so many more storylines throuought these next few years and who knows, maybe Miami will turn into the next Bulls of the 90’s which was the best thing to ever happen to the league. I guess I’m just fed up with the drama. It’s done and over. “The Discicion” happened nearly two weeks ago yet people are still fussing about it. Move on, get a life. Quit finding someone to hate.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Man
You a Nugs fan at all? It doesn’t make you mad that some dick head in Miami pulled this shit together? It doesn’t make you mad that 3 of the top 20 players in the league all worked together to get on a basketball team made up of 12 guys? It isn’t weird to you that guys that compete against eachother every year would rather get together and take on everyone else rather than beat eachother as the lead dogs on each of their respective teams? You are so off base here as a Nugs fan it makes me want to puke. I’m done discussing this with you as obviously there is no way to show you the light.
I would still appreciate it if you saved the Glory to The Heat comments for the Heat website though
Shit just makes me so fucking angry
Damn, too bad
I really wanted to see the light.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Idk, I might have to
Cuz I got Nugs fans over here defending the Lakers all of a sudden, lol.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Right
Thanks for clarifying that.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
If LBJ and Wade can each account for 50% of the offense it will
be all rainbows and lollipops in Heat land. If not, someone feels slighted, has to play differently, doesn’t feel like it is their team any more and you will see two guys standing right in front of the in-bounder calling for the ball.
Then, hopefully, Juan Howard recalls his nuggets days and storms the court to take about 30 bad shots a game and LeBron, realizing his mistake just randomly moves to NY in December, has Worldwide Wes procure him an authentic Knicks jersey and quietly sneaks in to MSG and casually walks up to the scorers table and checks in mid-game with a flurry of baby powder!
#26 - Quitters Unite!!!
It was on company property, with company property. So, double jeopardy, we're fine.
If LBJ and Wade can each account for 50% of the offense it will be all rainbows and lollipops in Heat land
If not, the main men will be logging a lot of minutes every game and enter the playoffs worn out. They won’t be able to grind it out when they need to.
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 22, 2010 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
off-topic
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let's go nuggets! who u wit?
Questions for Miami
1. Who guards Dwight Howard (before they get to the finals)?
2. Who guards Pau Gasol?
3. Can Bosh outplay Andrew Bynum?
4. What do they do when Mike Miller isn’t feeling it from downtown?
5. Who on their bench will guard Lamar Odom?
6. Can Chalmers guard Fisher or Blake? (Fish played great in the Finals)
7. Assuming Kobe and Wade cancel each other out, and Artest can limit Lebron to a 27-6-6, where does Miami’s offense come from?
Answers...
1. Probably a combination of Bosh, Big Z, Haslem, Anthony and Howard. Dwight really isn’t an offensive threat, and to be quite honest isn’t really a going to win the Magic anything. He’s a great defender, but not against Bosh, Wade and Lebron.
2. See #1, but I would guess mostly Bosh. Like most people Pau will probably have his way, but as long as you can slow him down it will allow for Lebron, Wade and Bosh to have an effect.
3. Are you kidding me?
4. Again, really? I’m pretty sure between Lebron, Wade and Bosh they’ll be able to handle it if Mike Miller isn’t on. Even if they need three help, Chalmers and Jones can stroke it pretty well.
5. Bosh, Lebron and Haslem can all handle Odom.
6. Yes, Fish did play great but he wasn’t a huge factor. Chalmers is one of the best defensive PGs in the league, he’ll be able to handle whoever they throw at him.
7. Good question, but the same could be said about L.A.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
LOL
Bosh can’t handle Bynum inside, keep dreaming. Who guards Pau if Bynum and he are in the game? The Lakers front court will ruin the Heat. Completely tear them apart. Nugs could have something to say to the heat this year too as it looks like they could be one of the deepest teams in the league with a ton of fire power.
Gaus, you're clearly biased here
It’s obvious you hate the Heat because of your loathing passion towards Lebron but to say that Bosh can’t handle Bynum, a guy who hasn’t even played a full season in the league because of knee trouble and who has only shown spurts of greatness here and there is just not realistic. Yes, the Lakers frontcourt is extremely strong. But thats not soley where the game is won. The Bulls frontcourt wasn’t necisarily the strongest we’ve ever seen but because they had great wings they won.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Bosh isn't a defensive center or a rebounding machine
No way he can handle Bynum’s inside game. Not a chance in hell.
Bosh is great but there is a reason he doesn’t want to play center. It is because he would rather play as a finesse power forward than a banging center. He is tired of getting beat up on by other centers in the league.
Oh, that's why he's playing PF
Say what you want but I am never buying the argument that Bosh can’t handle a 23 year old Bynum who’s already had multiple knee surgeries, has missed large amounts of multiple seasons, and dropped Kareem as a mentor because he was too busy hanging out at the Playboy mansion than improving his game. Bynum was close to being scrub last season on many nights, meanwhile Bosh was putting together his best season of his career averaging over 24 ppg and 11 rpg.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
i should rephrase
can Bosh’s offense exceed Bynum’s defense? (assuming he’s healthy, of course, which isn’t a given)
We know first hand how talented Boozer is, and we saw what difficulty he had playing against Pau and Bynum. Bynum is in the mold of dwight howard, in that they have limited offensive games, but are good defenders. Dwight is obviously the better defender/athlete/rebounder, but Bynum is still very talented.
Don’t we remember how Bosh never made much noise against Kenyon Martin? Kenyon’s always banged up himself too. The one edge Bosh will have is the fact that he can hit that 15 footer. If he can draw out Bynum, he might have more to work with.
i understand the excitment about wade and james
but bosh give me a break. shaq called him the rupaul of the nba. he is the best player on a bad team in the weakest of the 2 conferences. i will never hesitate to rip melo. i will have to give him his due. nuggets always went to the playoffs. 2 seasons ago i watched denver dominate toronto by over 40 points. the head coach sam mitchell was fired the next day. bosh was only half as good that people say the raptors would make the playoffs every year.
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What do I think?
I think that you, ThrowItDown, have no knowlege of NBA basketball whatsoever (no offense). I am hoping that your facetious approach to this post somewhat tainted your prediction about how good this team was going to be next year, because if not, wow, you just have no clue. Lebron basically got the best record in the league playing with a buch of A.C.s and J.R.s, what do you think is going to happen when you add Bosh and Wade? You think they are going to get worse? How exactly does that work? Juwan Howard had a great season last year, Haslem is still a beast, Ilgauskis can still contribute, Mike Miller is a former 6th man (I think), Joel Anthony is one of the best shot blockers in the NBA per minute and James Jones can light it up from 3 point land. Nowhere on the Miami roster do I see an AC or a JR. Those players in case you have forgotten reside on our roster. That’s why we lose in the first round nearly every year and other teams don’t. And for the record, get of the Heat’s and Lebron James’ d*#k. You talk all the time about how you hate these guys yet your last two fanposts have been about them. Leave it alone and quit wishing you were a Miami fan right now.
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Let me know what you really think
Why so shy GN?
Chalmers is almost identical to A.C. and he’s starting. Look at theirs PER’s and you’ll see 7 guys at about 10 or below. That’s A.C. Territory. They have six players who could crack the nuggets roster, and will be playing about 4 guys who otherwise would have trouble making an NBA roster big minutes.
I’m not saying they can’t win it all. I’m saying that things have to work perfectly. Everyone has to stay healthy. They have no depth. I think the odds will beat them. Ilgauskas is about 500 years old. So is howard. Miller is 30 and missed 30 games last year.
Compare this team to the Jordan Bulls which is better? Now compare the current Lakers to the stockton/Malone Jazz. Which is better?
Mostly I enjoy your posts GN, but I’m not sure why you are so in love with Lejackass lately. All you’ve been doing is defending him and Miami. Might have to change your name to MiamiNugget…
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
+1000
Shit is getting so fucking old. We have a self proclaimed Nugs fan supporting the biggest joke in sports history. Not to mention that we as fans may have to watch Melo leave. GN would probably support that too as long as it was on national television and Melo got together with C3P0 and Amare to join the fucking Knicks. God, give me a fucking break. One of the most blasphemous things a Nugs fan could do would be to support this shit.
by Gasus on Jul 22, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh oh
Blasphemy? I’ll stay out of this one. Don’t want to force them to delete my posts again. LOL.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
I don’t blame them for deleting the ones the other day. We were on a topic that causes serious hate between people.
I'm still trying to figure out where the line is
I got warned for inexplicit comments about Lebron’s mom, but not for ragging on Scientology.
On an unrelated note, LBJ is the next big name in Scientology. You heard it here first.
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 22, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I've been warned for personal attacks
But never about any of the off the wall shit that flys out onto the keys. I’m guessing that LBJ invented SB nation…I can’t think of anyone else that didn’t find those comments HI-LARY-US
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 22, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Talking about people’s mom’s in relation to rumors just isn’t very acceptable to me. I’d hate to see that on other blogs talking about our Nuggets. I do recall this site getting very upset with the Mark Cuban and K-Mart’s mom stuff. Same thing to me.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2010 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions
There were too many people touching on the religion stuff to go through and warn all, figured by deleting them that folks would get the hint.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2010 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep that's one way to get the point across.
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 23, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
unrestricted area
One of the football blogs I go to has a separate area where people can take topics that aren’t really appropriate for the blog if they want to have that type of discussion. Don’t know if you can set up something similar here or not.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 23, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Duly noted
That’s fair and it was all off topic to begin with anyway. Just thought it was all pretty harmless compared to Andrew referring to LBJ as a ‘dickhead’ among other obscenities. But I get the point.
What I’m wondering about today is whether Melo is going to come into the preseason in good shape or not. Last season, everyone was talking about how cut he was, how hard he had trained after being influenced by Kobe’s work ethic, etc. And it showed – he kicked ass out of the gate. But with the wedding, reality show, growing press circus, among others, is he putting in the work this offseason?
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 23, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Be happy to have a discussion with you
on another forum. Let me know if you have another area to discuss.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 26, 2010 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Whatever Gas
Difference of opinions my friend, that’s all it is. Dont’ question my fanhood though brother, that’s low.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Lol, it's all good Throw
I tend to get heated (no pun intended, although I kind of wish it were because that was a good one) about certain things sometimes. We’re all Nugs fans here and we stand for a common theme. But this is simply one issue I guess that I disagree drastically on. I am not biased, I don’t hate the Heat for some reason so I look at their roster objectively, which I don’t think many are doing right now. Put what you want into PER but Miami has some solid rotation guys right now that I think can handle their own.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions
PER
Hollinger has some article that I can’t read, but he is forecasting 68 wins with the PER. He thinks that’s high and revised down to 62. I think he is assuming everyone stays healthy. I’ll stand by 50 or less, but recognize I could be very wrong. Plus I’m extremely biased against the LBJ. If they had not signed him, I could have gotten behind the team a little. I have always liked Howard, and I don’t blame bosh at all for leaving Toronto.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
If LBJ and the Cavs won 66
Then Hollinger’s #‘s may be right on point…That however, as we learned with LBJ and the Cavs, doesn’t mean jack in the playoffs. And yeah their roster isn’t that deep right now and an injury or prolonged suspension could capsize the Heat. I don’t hate the Heat, but I can never root for them.
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 22, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
You have a right to your own opinion
But think about it a little bit, the Heat won 47 games last year with Wade and a supporting case alone. Even if Lebron or Bosh goes down you still have to think they’re gonna win more than 50 with 2 of their 3 best players on the floor. I just don’t see how they can really win any less than 60 games. Imo I’m saying 69 wins.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 22, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
wow
while I don’t imagine anyone on this site not being offended by this statement…
“I think that you, ThrowItDown, have no knowlege of NBA basketball whatsoever (no offense).”
…the sheer hyperbole made me laugh.
Yeah, comparisons to a bunch of ACs are way off. They have some quality players taking huge paycuts to play there. They have to project as the early favorites out of the East, but I do also think that they are one or two key injuries away from utter disappointment (read: a loss in the conference finals). Otherwise, it will take some gelling, for sure, but not much. I can also see them losing in the East if they don’t gel.
I didn't read through all the posts
so if i say the same thing as someone else i’m sorry… but my opinion on this team is they have a team that is set to win a lot of games in the regular season. They prob will never lose to a sub 500 team and win in the 60’s. However when the playoffs come around and there is no true leader on the team (pick between Bron and Wade) there could very well be a blow up and a quick upset. I voted ECF exit. This team is not built for the playoffs. Their bench is too weak. They have 5 legit players maybe 6 in my opinion that being Bron, Wade, Bosh, Miller, Chalmers and Haslem. The rest are shit show players.
This team will prob eventually win a ship but I don’t think it will be this year or the next and by then one of the big three could possibly be traded. In all honesty I think their starting lineup should be Wade, Miller, Bron, Bosh, Haslem. Miller will almost always be open and then you get a young leader in Chalmers to run the bench of scrubs and bring some sort of intensity and or speed to their bench.
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when i say win in the 60's
i mean win 60 or more games
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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 22, 2010 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
i didnt read through all the comments but...
I’ll just say this. Chalmers, Haslem, Ilgauskas, and Miller would all be able to make our rotation.
In fact, I actually wish we had them. If you recall, we offered Haslem the full MLE for multiple years. Too bad he was too loyal to take the money. :(
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by Agaliarept on Jul 23, 2010 12:01 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Nuggs also went after Big Z last season and before he signed in Miami …
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2010 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Chances of a train wreck
Are extremely low. I don’t put a whole lot of stock in a purely statistical viewpoint… but basically it would only happen if all three of their efficiencies plummet. I don’t really see it happening. I think they will have a really elite offense. Point guard play and size could be their weaknesses. Dwight Howard and Magic improve they could beat them. Maybe a Boston squad with Rondo taking his game to another level. I picked lose in the ECF. Anything less would be hard to fathom, but I’m rooting for it. Maybe the chemistry gets so bad that one of them really struggles and have to go to the bench, that is probably the worst case scenario.
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plus the injury bug could strike at any moment, "WHATS THAT?? D-WADE TORN ACL???"
not wishing this on anybody but “accidents” aren’t predictable, otherwise they’d be called “planned events”
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 23, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't worry about it, Dengue Fever is popping up in Miami
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 27, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Miami wins the title
Bench doesn’t matter in the playoffs. When Miami shortens up to a Lebron / Wade / Miller / Bosh / Ilgauskas / Haslem / Magliore rotation with three superstars and Mike Miller getting heavy minutes, I wish the rest of the league luck.
Honestly the team that matches up the best against them is Boston, but Pierce, Garnett and Allen each being a year older may not help matters any. If the Lakers play the Heat, they’ll get bounced in 5 games. You heard it here first.
LOL
The Lakers have figured out the game of basketball better than anybody in the league. Basketball is a game of athleticism and height. In LA they have both, in Miami they only have one. Lakers roll over the Heat this year as will many other teams. You heard it here first!
haha
Both of you think calling a Heat or LA championship is a “heard it here first statement”, Way to go out on a limb there guys.
I was obviously being sarcastic or demeaning or whatever you want to call it
Definitely not serious about the you heard it here first comment.
hey ya know I have the inside skinny on who won the '79 World Series
In case anyone wants to bet a sawbuck.
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Bench doesn't matter in the Playoffs?
Tell that to the 2009/10 Nuggets.
Good ESPN-optimism; but you gotta have a strong, reliable and healthy 8man rotation heading into the playoffs… not starting the season.
The words Ilgauskas, Magliore, healthy and members of the rotation were all correct… 5 years ago. Magliore has been irrelevant for a number of years and Ilgauskas became expendable 2 years ago.
And Rondo is right, you need to change the wording; how does Miami match up against Boston. Other than DWade & Haslem, none of these players have proven anything in the playoffs. You have to earn that kind of respect.
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Scoreboard: Miami = Wannabes Until Proven Otherwise
You gotta prove it on the court; something Bosh, Lebron and everybody else except for DWade, Haslem & Riley haven’t done.
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by the word on Jul 27, 2010 11:01 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure they will soon enough
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 28, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
In Cleveland?
I’m guessing he’ll “sprain” his ankle just before the games in Cleveland. If he goes to the game, they’ll have to put a net over the court and surround the court with cops. 2.5 hours of boos and lots of things being thrown. It would be the highest rated game of the year, over the finals.
What if Cleveland somehow meets Miami in the playoffs? He couldn’t skip the games…
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 28, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
You're not kidding
About ten years ago the Browns lost to the Jaguars on an overturned call down the stretch, in Cleveland. The fans were throwing bottles, batteries, pocket change, you name it. The refs and players ran for their lives.
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Cleavland is a pitbull in a cage
That has been poked, prodded, mocked, and teased. The second that that latch is removed you can expect the obvious. Lepout would be wise to catch a flu bug earlier that day. And he’d better avoid the hotel room service food at all costs. Something tells me that the game will look something like the Escape From LA basketball game…Too bad Lebrat isn’t Snake Bliskin.
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 29, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bwahahaha
Nice movie reference! Police had to escort a guy out from the Indians game who was wearing an LBJ Heat jersey this week already, for his own protection. Your metaphor of the pitbull is appropriate. Things are ready to snap there, to combust just like the Cuyahoga did years back. The only person that can save that city now is… Bernie Kosar?! Hope is nowhere in sight…
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 29, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Cleveland fans are starting to look like trash
Some kid was wearing LeBron’s Miami Heat jersey at the Indian’s game last night. He started to taunt the crowd and they almost jumped his ass.
Kid was retarded, but they need to calm the hell down. LeBron’s gone. GET OVER IT!
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Calm down girls
First of all no-one said this about Boston when Garnett, Pierce and Ray Allen got together. Why does everyone have such a problems with it. Garnett said it himself- he wished he had left the twolves earlier. I understand you have more feeling for Boston because they all spent time losing on bad teams. However, you have three unreal players playing at their prime. Ok, two unreal and one pretty good. Oh and if you could choose to play with your pals who are good rather than crap talent that you have to carry every game- which one you picking?
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