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The Implications of Trading for Chris Paul


We hear it a lot nowadays.

"If Paul becomes available, we must do everything we can to get him," "Trade Chauncey for Paul," or better yet, "Trade Chauncey, Kenyon, and JR for Paul!" Well, if that's too much... and, I mean, we're being rational here... we'll just get them to throw in their horrid center and it'll be even Stevens. Heck, we could also trade Lawson for Paul... with all our 1st round picks for the next 3 years for safe measure.

Really, Chris Paul is going to save us... right?

Star-divide

Honestly, all this talk is utter hogwash. It's short-sighted, and attempts to fix a problem that does not exist while selling out our future and creating new problems.

What Trading Chauncey means... for Chauncey

So, first of all, let's consider this. If we trade Chauncey, it will be the fourth time the Nuggets have moved him (twice to Denver, twice elsewhere). That's loyalty, eh? And all he did was give this team focus and allow them to realise their potential - and get them to the Western Conference Finals. Does anyone remember that season? I was actually here already for that playoff run (it was called Pickaxe and Roll back then), and I remember it.

Round 1 was against Chris Paul's Hornets, and how did that go? A 58-point win is what happened. Clearly, Paul is worth your future. If anyone feels like revising history, we can just bring up the game-threads... but we already know what was on our lips during those playoffs: Chauncey. When the Nuggets started out nervous and skittish, he let loose and carried the team to the next round. Anthony wouldn't have gone on fire against the Mavs if it wasn't for Chauncey.

Okay... that's old news, right? Chauncey sucks now, right? Dude is old, slow, and needs to be put down, right? That's what matters.

Year Games Mins. P/G FG% 3P% FT% Pnts. P/G Ass. P/G Rebs. P/G Stls. P/G
2008-09 77 35.3 0.420 0.410 0.900 17.9 6.4 3.0 1.2
2009-10 73 34.1 0.418 0.386 0.910 19.5 5.6 3.1 1.1
Career 910 32.3 0.416 0.388 0.892 15.4 5.6 3.0 1.0

 

Tell me something (hey, a reference to an obscure Korean film!), is Chauncey really that bad? Not to me. Seems to me like all he did was average more points than any time in his career - without making his field percentage suffer like it does with volume shooters - and only really see a big decline in his 3-point percentage (and perhaps assists, as he's a point guard).

Are these stats better than Paul's? Not necessarily. Although Paul averaged fewer points, his assists were still in double-figures, as well as having a better FG% (though not 3P% and FT%) and rebounds/steals.

Chauncey would, then, be traded by his hometown team... a team that traded him once before (the trade that stung the most, according to Billups)... for what? Still playing at an elite level. Loyalty!

What Trading Chauncey means... for the Nuggets

Okay, so by now I've hopefully dispelled the myth that Chauncey suddenly turned into a Stiff and needs to be thrown down a well to save our poor souls from basketball damnation.

The question, then, becomes one of value. Does a Chauncey/Paul swap provide value for the Nuggets?

In terms of stats, sure. Paul is a career double-double machine. Any team should want that. As for their contracts, Paul's career production probably makes up (this year, anyway) for being more pricey than Chauncey's, although if Chauncey gets an extension with a hometown discount, it'll be debatable.

Contract comparison:


2010-11 2011-12 2012-13
Paul $14,940,152 $16,359,805  $17,779,457
Billups $13,150,000 $14,200,000  FA

 

Paul's final year has a player option, Chauncey's has a team option. Assuming he's a Nugget, and assuming Anthony is a Nugget, do you want to invest nearly $18 million in a second player? I guess you wouldn't mind if you were the Heat...

The final consideration for the Nuggets would be the most difficult to quantify: intangibles. Is losing Chauncey's intangibles worth the acquisition of Paul? I'm not so sure.

It's difficult (as mentioned) to put an exact number on the meaning of intangibles. But one only needs to think of the 08' season if they want to know what Chauncey means to the team... he is the head that tells the body where to go. Without him, the body is in disarray. No Chauncey, no WCF. Simple as that.
Further consideration would be this last season and Karl having to depart for cancer treatments. Does anyone really think the team would have fared better with Paul instead of Chauncey last year? What would happen when Dantley takes a timeout and it's Paul instead of Chauncey there... would Paul be doing the talking, too? Or, as Anthony would probably be the leader of the team, then, would Melo be doing the talking? Does anyone truly believe that Melo is a better leader than Chauncey? (Surely not, or that awful streak of 1st-round exits wouldn't exist.) Would we rather have Dantley do the talking? (This last question is a bait for the AD-haters out there.)

Another thing, Paul is the alpha-dog of the Hornets. When Byron Scott was fired, he had this to say:

"I felt like, maybe somebody would have at least consulted with me and asked how I felt before it happened."

Now, to be fair to Paul (I'm not going to lie just to prove a point), these comments aren't as bad as they may initially appear. He did go on to be positive about his new coach, and didn't tell the team that they ought to rescind their decision to fire Scott. However, no owner needs to consult with one of his players before making a decision. Not even if that player is LeBron James (regardless of what Lebron thinks on the matter).
The Nuggets already have one player that is threatening the team to make moves for the sake of making moves; they don't need two.

Chauncey gives this team a focus that very few players in the league can match. As good as Paul is, statistically, he's no Chauncey Billups when it comes to the cerebral part of the game.

This is what the Nuggets will lose when (and, unfortunately, it is a when) they lose Chauncey. Our best hope is that he can sufficiently mentor someone under him in this facet of basketball (which we'll come to) before he leaves us.

Thus, a Chauncey/Paul swap, for the Nuggets, would mean more points and assists and the loss of a leader (both defensive and offensive), mentor, and unofficial coach, who still contributes near the same amount of stats. We should just have kept Iverson...

And the real kicker... it won't be a straight swap. We'll still have to pay extra for Paul. His value decreases.

What Trading Chauncey means... for Ty

This one's rich. And I'm surprised that so few people are noticing it. If we trade Chauncey, another player, and a batch of picks, we'll get Paul and probably some center that starts for whatever team Paul plays for again. Then, we'll have an All Star PG starting (as if we didn't already), and... well... Ty Lawson backing him up.

Think about that for a moment.

Ty Lawson will be the backup point guard. A starting-quality point guard living out his career as a backup (because surely we won't be acquiring Paul just for one season).

A year ago, we were complaining that we had no quality guard behind Chauncey. Oh, how we cried... we need a young kid for him to mentor! Someone to back him up for a few years while learning the trade, then starting when Chauncey stepped down. And then what happened?

We found him! All those tears (and whining that the Nuggets FO is as inept as British Telecom) were cleansed from our cheeks with the 18th overall pick. We had found our protégé. The future starting point guard of the Denver Nuggets. Is this really what we went to the effort of acquiring him for? So he could be someone's backup? Not even a protégé, a backup.

And the truly horrendous part of this scenario is that Ty is better than that. He isn't a backup PG. He's a starting PG. Period. Maybe he isn't as good as Paul, and won't ever be, but he does not deserve to wither behind him. Ty is a starter in this league, and deserves a chance to start. He'll never get that with Chris Paul on the team.

What I see from Anthony (possibly) wanting to join up with Paul is a world where Ty isn't Carmelo's teammate. I don't know if he realised that at the time (they were probably drunk), but that's what he's saying. And, frankly, if he really wants Paul, that's what I want, too...

If Paul is a Nugget, I don't want Ty Lawson to be one. Just like (Timberwolves GM) Kevin McHale let Chauncey leave to be the Detroit Pistons' starter instead of selfishly keeping him as a backup, the Nuggets, too, would have to let Ty flourish elsewhere. And he will flourish. Nugget or not (...if he gets the chance).

Sure, it's nice to have two starting-quality players in one position, but not when both want to - and can - start. And, especially, especially, when the other side of this fantastic back-court would be an awful front-court. A great team needs balance. We've got one half of it down, and the other side is getting there... why dismantle the good side? The logic of trading for a great PG when we have two good-to-great ones doesn't make sense...

The deceptive logic of trading for Chris Paul

I know... well, I assume... that by now I don't need to be hammering this out. Because, I assume, that we all know that the Nuggets' problem isn't the back-court. The logic falls into the idiomatic realms of "if it's not broken don't fix it" --

Hold on. I have a desire for cheese.

-- Okay, back. Sorry, but it's been days since I've eaten cheese, and we have a block of the best non-Cheddar cheese I've tasted in all of Germany... Gouda! Anyway... I wonder, why are we so willing to trade Chauncey for a PG when we already have one waiting in the midst?

I mean, what's so special about Paul that we need to suddenly consider getting rid of him? Why are we even trying to trade him for a point guard when we don't need a point guard?! If Chauncey is suddenly becoming trade-bait, why not trade him for something we actually need, you know what I'm sayin'?

Like... and I know this is way out of left field... how about... we trade Chauncey, former-Nuggets favourite Chris Andersen (because apparently, he too sucks now), 3 1sts, a 2011 2nd, and a bag of potatoes... for... a center? We need one of those, right? We need a Dwight Howard. And I heard from my girlfriend that hasn't watched basketball since the days of John Stockton that he wants out. And she wouldn't lie to me. Ever.

Seriously, though, if we're really willing to dump Chauncey, then do it for a player we need. Dwight Howard is just as much of a dream as Chris Paul... of course, Howard didn't go up to Anthony at his wedding and tell him he wants to join up, but I'm sure he feels the same way as every other player in the league that doesn't have a contract with the Heat. And I'd rather have Howard, Anthony, and Lawson, than simply Anthony and Paul.

Nevertheless, the point remains: selling out for a PG when it's the least of our problems is like cutting off your hand and giving it to your shin because you're missing a foot.

What the Nuggets need to do... and are doing

I know what the reaction is going to be, but I will take the risk of saying it because it's the right answer. The Nuggets have to do absolutely nothing. I know... Booooooooring! This reloading-season is so boring, we need to do SOMETHING!! No we don't.

It's easy to fall into the trap of moves for the sake of moves. And while occasionally a change is exactly what is required to improve oneself, sometimes the illusion of stagnancy makes us create a problem where there previously was none. Boredom especially exasperates this problem. And this is an awfully boring period of the year.

The truth is that the Nuggets struck gold with Chauncey and Ty. Yes, there were conscious decisions to acquire them, but we all know that the draft is often a lottery (to an extent) and no one (except him, perhaps) had any idea that Chauncey would be as good as he's been when Nuggets GM Joe Dumars decided to dump him.
We're incredibly lucky that both have worked out, and should ride the gravy train of a possible Hall of Famer mentoring an extremely promising second-year player.

For once we should be glad that the Nuggets are sitting on their hands (and hopefully will continue to do so, Re: Paul) - we have it good!

A conclusion for those that are too lazy to read all 2220 words of my jibber-jabber

A year ago, word around here was that the Nuggets needed to acquire a young point guard. We got an excellent young guard, that showed flashes of just what he's capable of in the NBA. And now we want to dismantle all the progress.

Worse, we're willing to pay a premium for that honour - crazy as it sounds. Furthermore, perhaps even more rationally-confounding, the Hornets have a Stiff that we happen to desire (because we believe we can't do better), a player the Hornets likely don't want. The way to get him? Trade for Chris Paul and Nawlins will toss him in as a thank you "present". (Thankfully, not everyone wants this.) Thus, for Okafor, we should break up a different position. Makes sense.

If we want a center that bad, then get a center. Screw Chris Paul and his risky center (and getting Okafor is a risk), just sell out for a legit star and be done with it. Focus on what you want, and make an offer they can't refuse. It worked in the Godfather, and it'll work here. That's what horses are for. But don't fall for the illusion that Paul will somehow magically solve all our problems because he is shinier than that we currently have.

The value just isn't there. Chris may (may!) be better than Chauncey and Ty individually (...for now...), but having him on this team means neither of them will be; so, ultimately, what we have to consider is the value of Paul versus the value of Chauncey and Ty. Is Paul worth enough to you that you wouldn't mind losing Billups and Lawson? Not to me. Chauncey's value alone is enough to give me pause, but including Ty makes it far from even being worth a thought.

Chris Paul simply is not worth his price tag.

Additionally, the one thing I didn't discuss is the possibility of trading Ty instead of Chauncey, but the logic is very much the same. Chauncey is not a backup. And trading Ty for an older guy when we still have no idea what he's capable of is ludicrous.
Again, it's a question of value. Even if Ty never equals the production level of Paul, that does not mean keeping him was a mistake, because we need to factor in the fact that we'd have to pay a handsome amount in this trade.
If the trade involved two 1sts, for example, the question would then be, Is Paul worth Ty and two other high-draftees? Thinking of the possibilities if we didn't  trade away our 1sts all these years, and considering that we've done pretty well with the players we did manage to acquire in the draft, I'm inclined to keep the promising Lawson and take my chances looking for a second gem in the sienna dust. It couldn't hurt having a 1st for a change, right?

And, finally (yeah, I know what you're thinking), I'd like to make something clear while I'm on the topic... saying the above may mean that I disagree with Melo if he believes the world would be better if he was with Paul instead of Chauncey and Ty. (Add lovers joke here.)
So, before anyone asks, do I disagree with the Nuggets' superstar and franchise player even though I'm not an NBA player like him or even remotely close to the city of Denver but just a poor sap sitting on his derrière while writing this on the topic of what's best for the Nuggets in the context of making a blockbuster trade for Chris Paul or doing absolutely nothing, an act which may consequently displease said superstar while he is currently partaking in a contract extension negotiation and threatening the team to do something before he signs the extension offer - *takes breath* - despite the fact that doing nothing may very well be the correct decision and no I'm not implying that the Nuggets should do nothing but just stating that it is in the realm of possibility that doing nothing may be the right thing to do, boring as it sounds, as well as noting that while the Nuggets haven't made a big splash in free agency recently they have displayed a consistent ability to make shrewd moves that have a habit of working out surprisingly well and... huh... hah... gah!... have a habit of working out surprisingly well and require a certain amount of trust, easy as it is to denounce them in the wake of a recent disappointing season in which the aforementioned franchise player quit consistently over and over and over and over and... phew... and nary an observation of his consistent QUITTING was made by someone of the national English media despite the fact that no one that works for any English media outlet pays attention to the NBA or is even aware that the US has a state called Colorado in which some city called "Denver" resides that harbours a basketball team called the Nuggets, a team whose head coach recently recovered from cancer, a team that is currently trying to extend a player's contract while he demands that they do something before agreeing to sign, a team that has continued to field an extremely talented group of players despite constant accusations from its fanbase that it has no idea what it's doing, a team that contains one lunatic of a fan that is currently ranting about the fact that the English media refused to observe one player's consistent QUITTING even though he isn't even residing in England at the time of writing his rant and is quickly straining the patience of the reader trying to keep up with the pace of this sentence because it has been going on for way too long and so will return to the beginning to ask the pivotal question that the reader has probably already forgotten right now: would I disagree with Carmelo in this totally hypothetical situation?

Absolutely. Logic isn't a prerequisite for being a basketball player. And trading for Paul is thoroughly illogical.

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forget Paul

overrated. Him and Bosh are the two most overrated “superstars” in the league. Just like Barkley said about Bosh during the free agency period: “If all you do is sign Chris Bosh, all you get is the Toronto Raptors”
If Paul is the best point guard in the league how come he hasn’t done anything. Injuries are no excuse. Deron took his team to the WCF a few years ago, and Chauncey did it 7 years in a row.

Don’t get me wrong, if we can get CP3 for a bargain deal, then sure he’d be a great 2nd player to Melo, but the price for Paul is going to be way too high. And don’t let his steals numbers fool you into thinking he’s a good defender. Iverson was steals champ twice I think.

by jb22 on Jul 18, 2010 8:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow, I can't believe I read all of that.

So let me say this. If we can, we should trade for Paul. Having Paul and Lawson is a great problem to have. I don’t care how small each of them are, you could play them together. It’s not like you go up against Wade and Kobe everyday… Not to mention having two blazing fast PGs (I say the two fastest PGs in the NBA) on the court at the same time means that opposing teams have to cover them on offense too…

You fail to realize that Paul is a top 5 player in the NBA and a lot younger than Billups. Not to even mention that a Paul trade would guarantee Melo re-signing. There’s something to be said about having 2 superstars on one team. Not to mention you completely ignored the fact that Chauncey is visibly declining and there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just we got him late in his career. Paul has shown that he is a top play maker in the league. He’s averaged A LOT of assists playing with crappy teammates for most of his career and almost single handily took his team to the WCF in 2008. Remember like 2-3 years ago Paul almost won the MVP award.

The only other thing I have to say (I’m not gonna make ppl read my long opinion) but I do agree that Paul doesn’t address our glaring front court need. That’s obvious, but almost any deal that involves him, will probably include Okafor (and probably Posey too) which helps solve certain frontcourt/defense issues. Also even though I’m a firm believer that a team a should have a legit center, you can’t take away the fact that getting a superstar like Paul does improve your team. Even though I would hate watching him flop, at least that’s one less flopper we play.

so if you don’t want to read my whole comment my overall point is:
Trade for Paul and Okafor because having two great players is a great thing to have and him and Ty could play together because positions are over-rated in the NBA.

by hvino on Jul 18, 2010 8:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Forgot one more thing...

Which would Melo rather see on the court with him:
A. A veteran PG who is 33 (gna be 34 this season) and is a shoot first PG

or
B. A young exciting PG is 25, his best friend, and a pass first PG who can also take over a game with either a triple double or going for 40 points

Now don’t get me wrong, Chauncey is my third favorite player in the NBA right now (behind Melo and Lawson), but I understand how much better Paul is than Billups and won’t let my Nuggets homerism blind me from that. Btw I’m not gonna lie, if the Nuggets got Paul he’d instantly become my second favorite player.

And another side note, Paul is very close with JR, Birdman and Melo, and Chauncey understands that the NBA is a business and he’d understand that the Nuggets should loyalty is important but it can’t stop a team from getting a superstar. Not to mention Chauncey is retiring in a couple of years and he could always come back and work in the front office or coaching bench of the Nuggets.

by hvino on Jul 18, 2010 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seriously, my reply is up there... but the price of Paul is better spent elsewhere.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 19, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really?

Your post was so brief, I think there were numerous areas you failed to touch on. I am left completely uninformed as to your position.

Oh, and great post. I agree – no to Paul. Other areas of bigger need rather than tying up a ton of money on him and putting our best young player on the bench.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 19, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL, I had to tap my Sarcasm Meter a few times to make sure I was getting a reading there.

Thanks.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

It started for me 2 years ago, in our playoff series against them

I don’t like Chris Paul. There are plenty of guys out there whose personality or demeanor you don’t admire but you can still respect what they bring to the game. I recognize him as an amazing talent and one of the best PGS in the league but I would find it extremely difficult coming to terms with him in a Nuggets jersey. Without trying to start too much shit over my personal opinion I’ll just say he is one of the smartest at working the rule changes to the advantage of smaller point guards. There has not been a player since Manu Ginobili so dedicated to flopping, and what it signals is that the trend is no longer being imported from a Euro league style of play, it’s now being home grown and promoted within the new NBA culture. Quite frankly it sickens me.

The other thing is I consider us very strong at point guard. Ty Lawson is a starting talent and godsend on a team with Chauncey’s game catching up with his 13 years of NBA service. I strongly believe he’s a Denver Nugget in more important ways than what he does in the games and deserves to stay until he retires. I don’t like to speculate trading him because I think we could still put pieces around him even with Melo gone that would make us successful. Lastly I see him teetering on the edge of the humble superstar versus a Lebron-like diva. How much he exploits trhis gype surrounding him and New Orleans remains to be seen and if he really does want to be traded, the Nuggets won;t get him and they shouldn’t. We should be thankful for that because I really like our team as is.

Amen TB

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by runningdonut on Jul 19, 2010 1:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Well said, RD.

I heartily agree.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 19, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like Chauncey

But all this talk about him being a Denver nugget in more important ways than anyone else is silly. Chauncey could have made himself to Denver sooner if he wanted to. He was a superstar and could make that happen. He wanted to spend his last few years as a player in Denver and it worked out. Great for him and great for the Nuggets but it was a business decision. Don’t make it more than it is.

If we could snag another superstar guard other than Lawson (yes, I said Lawson) and Chauncey then I would prefer Rondo.
However, if the Nuggets were going to sign a big fat long contract to someone I would rather it be a young solid big guy like Marc Gasol. That’s what we need.

by MMGraves on Jul 19, 2010 9:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Meh.....I could do with or without Paul...a good big man is clearly needed more.

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by jpage78 on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Exactly, man.

No sense in paying an exorbitant amount for Paul when we could use that effort for a legit bigman (i.e. not scrubs like Miller and O’neal).

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 19, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

NO WAY GUYZ, CHRIS PAUL IS SO GREAT!!!!

WE SHOULD TRADE CARMELO FOR PAUL!!! DO ANYTHING TO GET PAUL, HE’S THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA!! HE DOESN’T FLOP ONTO THE GROUND LIKE A FISH, HE GETS FOULED ALL THE TIME CUZ EVERYBODY IS SOOOOOO JEALOUS OF HIS MAD SKILLZZZzzzzzz. LuLz

by InboundingLobPass on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Hahaha.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Regardless of the numbers or

your Implications, If you want Melo to stay and Denver, and Denver to be a very attractive destination via free agency you have to find a way to get Chris Paul in Denver. The only way Melo resigns is if Denver brings in a “sexy” name and Chris Paul with his fame already is a “sexy” name. Okafer, Kamen, Biedrins… those aren’t sexy names and that won’t get the job done.

You bring in Chris Paul and Melo is guarenteed to stay. Then every free agent out there will be dying to join Denver to be the team out west to take on the ECFFH (East Coast Fuck Face Heat).

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 AM MDT reply actions  

sorry for

the terrible spelling and grammer… it’s late

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 12:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

hmm trying to remember if Chris Paul has ever been MVP of the finals....?

I don’t think he has. So why isn’t Billups a desirable potential teammate? Is it because he’s getting older? Is it because the nuggets aren’t the pistons? Dunno but I think even if FA’s were calling us we’d probably not be able to sign them simply because of KMart’s friggin’ contract.

by InboundingLobPass on Jul 20, 2010 2:57 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

it's because

the name on his back isn’t a house hold name. He’s not a flashy player. CP3 is. i’m not knocking on Chauncey but i am telling you Chris Paul has more upside and is better than Billups. Billups has leadership and a championship under his belt. And finally, If Denver were to land Paul, Melo were to resign. Melo hasn’t resigned yet and Billups is on the team. So why don’t you aks yourself that same question.

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 7:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Chris Paul...

was twice his height and played center he would be an excellent choice for Denver.

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

you've got to be kidding me,

I don’t want some mutant 10 ft. tall player on the team. He’d be like Yao with even more injuries. In addition to that, with the amount Chris Paul flops, I’m certain he’d accidentally land on somebody and “Shaun Livingston” the crap out their knee or something. Yeah I don’t want normal Paul or mutant freakishly tall Paul either.

by InboundingLobPass on Jul 21, 2010 6:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

trying to remember if CP3 ever played on the Pistons roster during their run

no, but somehow CP3 was able to take the Hornets to the conference finals.

Billups is a local legend and he rocks!!! but he’s not CP3. Billups would probably even admit it.

And you’re right, Billups is on the back end of his run so he’s not likely going to be able to lure anybody here. I wonder how frustrated Billups is with the Nugs situation. He came here thinking he’d have 2-3years of legit title pursuing for his hometown; but got short-changed big time on the owner/FO committment part.

In hindsight if he knew what he knows, would he really have returned home?

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by the word on Jul 22, 2010 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hornets did not go to the conference finals

Nuggets did though

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by runningdonut on Jul 23, 2010 1:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

And Chauncey went 7 times in a row before last year

Plus.. I’m sure Chauncey is not worried about the Nugs situation. We don’t need superstars here and we won’t get any. The title team in Detroit didn’t even have a true star, they had great chemistry and dedicated role players.

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by runningdonut on Jul 23, 2010 1:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

In that case, I DON'T want Melo.

If he wants sexy names, he can go to New York and get those sexy names.

I want to win, not be the sexiest team in the league.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't say it isn't...

And that’s the problem. A couple years ago, the Nuggets were the sexiest team in the league with Iverson, Melo, Nene, KMart, JR, et al… and look where it got us.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

So was I.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I see.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL.

I’m hoping for another vet. minimum gem in him. The FO always seems to find those types of guys.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 21, 2010 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I never wanted C3P0

Can’t stand his faux tough guy sneer and flop act. Yeah, he’s good, but I can’t root for someone I can’t respect. And you put it in perfect perspective, TB:

(It) attempts to fix a problem that does not exist while selling out our future and creating new problems…

If we can spend and finagle (spelling…?) to get Paul, why can’t we get the true 5 the team DOES need?

Wo bist du in Deutschland? I’m gonna be in Bayern mid-September with my old lady.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM MDT reply actions  

Because

CP3 is about to be on the block on a team that’s looking to rebuild. Not the case with a star center out there. I love Billups and all but if getting a player like CP3 means keeping Melo and helping this franchise then i’m all for it.

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Niedersachsen.

Those are my thoughts, it doesn’t make sense.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOL.

Too bad we already signed our sack of potatoes for the vet minimum. :(

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought that was Tim Hardaway

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 22, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was.

"Everything is a lie. Except that last statement."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 22, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  


they aren’t even related…

by InboundingLobPass on Jul 25, 2010 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 25, 2010 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Damn what a post

I can’t say I agree or disagree, but you made the position of not trading for Paul clear. So thanks for that.

As for me, I’d go the indifferent route. If we get him, fine. If not, fine as well. :)

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by holyMonkey on Jul 21, 2010 11:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Thank you.

That’s usually the position I take. I prefer not to get overly-emotional with these sorts of things… but this is one case where I felt like speaking up. I genuinely feel we’ll be better without him.

"Everything is a lie. Except that last statement."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 22, 2010 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

CP3 is a flopping bitch, We're set at PG now and for the future

I’d rather make a blockbuster trade for Dwight Howard or some other badass center instead of a PG. Melo wants a Center not a floppin’ pouty bitch

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by CombatChuk on Jul 22, 2010 11:27 AM MDT reply actions  

COMPLETELY agree, CC. 100%

"Everything is a lie. Except that last statement."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 22, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good post BTW REC'd

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by CombatChuk on Jul 22, 2010 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

"Everything is a lie. Except that last statement."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 23, 2010 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

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