Harrington, Nuggets agree on 5-year $33.4 million deal
by Nate Timmons on Jul 14, 2010 1:42 PM MDT
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I'm standing here in right field ... I guess I should have been in left field so I could have seen Al Harrington coming. Welcome your newest Nugget: Al Harrington. The Nuggets locked Harrington up to a 5-year $33.4 million deal, according to Chris Tomasson of Fanhouse.
The Nuggets, who have yet been able to find the big body they were looking for, switched gears and grabbed the 6'9'' and 250 pound Harrington. Al can score as he averaged 17.7 points last season for the New York Knicks and pulled down 5.6 rebounds. For his career he averages 14.1 ppg and 5.8 rebounds. Last season he shot 43.5% (44.8% career) from the field to go along with 34.2% (35.5%) from downtown and 75.7% (73%) from the foul line.
The former 25th overall pick of the Indiana Pacers will be entering his 13th NBA season and joining his 5th team in the league. He'll turn 31 years-old on February 17th, 2011 and will help the Nuggets usher in more of a small ball lineup as he's likley to start at power-forward alongside Nene at center and Carmelo Anthony at small forward.
Harrington gives the Nuggets another scorer, which the team needed and Denver can now pursue other deals for a defensive presence knowing they have Harrington in the fold.
Credit Denver's front office for pulling this deal off. All the Twitter buzz had Dallas as the front-runner for Harrington, with Orlando's name also getting a little buzz before they inked Quentin Richardson. There was also talk by Chris Tomasson that Denver was leaning towards matching the deal for Linas Kleiza that he signed with the Toronto Raptors, but that is probably a long-shot now.
The Nuggets now have another scoring option with the veteran Harrington in the mix and some additional options with their current roster with the depth added with this signing. The deal has no option seasons, so Harrington will be paid for all five seasons and that had to sweeten the deal for him.
The Nuggets owner is willing to spend and this signing proves to be a step in the right direction.
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good move
Harrington is versatile and can score. I’m really glad he’s on board.
So who do they sign to make up for the loss of K-Mart, Bird and Petro?
Does this convince Melo to re-up? It’s not exactly earth-shattering; Denver has still lost ground to Utah and Dallas in particular this off-season.
by AgainstTheLaw.Son on Jul 14, 2010 7:15 AM MDT reply actions
I don't agree that Utah has improved this off season.
Yeah they got Jefferson, but they lost Boozer and Korver . . . and Matthews is looking to leave too.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree that Utah got worse
but because of injuries, we got worse, too.
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Utah definitely has not improved this season
I agree. My brother-in-law who lives in Utah and follows the Jazz the way I follow the Nuggets says they might lose Deron Williams next year too. They are a 45 win team next year.
I think
If the Jazz reacquire Ronnie Brewer, they about stayed pat.
On topic, I don’t think this move makes Denver any better by itself. If they’ve got something else lined up to move Martin or Nene to get a center, then this move makes a lot of sense. Otherwise we can just add Mr. Harrington to the 6’8-6’10 club with everyone else.
I disagree
I don’t think the guy brings any D to the table, I haven’t liked his attitude in recent years, and I don’t like his game.
That said, this seeming switch to small ball is intriguing. We have enough smaller, faster players that we could really run some teams out of the building. Reminds me of the first year or so of the Melo era, as I recall Nuggets were first in the league in fast break points. Of course, we were also first in the league at being knocked out of the playoffs.
He's said he's committed to defense now.
We’ll see, I’m sure.
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"Scars remind us of where we've been. They don't have to dictate where we're going."
Or at least
he doesn’t want to be known as the guy who doesn’t play any defense anymore.
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"Scars remind us of where we've been. They don't have to dictate where we're going."
I'm kind of indifferent about this
But I’m concerned that it’s a five year contract for a 30 year old player with a perimeter oriented game.
However,
It’s not like a approx. 5-6mil contract is going to be untradeable at any point in time.
I’ll take this over K-Mart’s contract anyday.
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"Scars remind us of where we've been. They don't have to dictate where we're going."
He's not limited to the perimeter!
He’s a much better scorer than Kenyon Martin. He has a great acceleration to the basket in traffic and has a sweet mid-range shot.
Watch the highlights when he 41-pieced the Nuggets at Pepsi Center last year. He scored all over the place.
His defense will improve. I would play crappy defense too if the last two teams I played with were the Knicks and Warriors.
I remember that game
i remember yelling at K-Mart, Bird and Nene to “Do Something!”
Via con Dios Brody
Q.P.U. # π
by Joelsopinion on Jul 14, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Last 2 1/2 guaranteed
Hollinger wrote in his article today that Harrington’s final two years are only half guaranteed.
But what if I told you the deal was three years, $26 million? Does that sound so bad? Because that’s effectively the deal the Nuggets agreed to with Harrington. I’m told the last two years of the deal are only half guaranteed, which means Denver can walk away having paid for three years at just under $9 million a pop.
That's a HUGE difference.
For a team with few options and no draft picks worth talking about, this was a great deal. His numbers are reasonable for a solid NBA guy and therefore a very tradable asset.
hell happy about this
always like harrington, now all we need is to trade kmart for something good, maybe a 2nd round pick from clippers :P
At first I was really against him,
but without KMart he’s actually a great fit… really gives us 3rd option… I just hope he can improve his rebounding… but the contract is really long…w.e that’s prob how we convinced him… it’s good to see that Melo and Nene finally get a big that can shoot, it should really open up the paint… this is the first stretch 4 we’ve ever had… btw the reason I’m so happy about this is that we finally get a sign that Stan is awake and at least will spend!
also KMart for Biedrins becomes more possible, Harrington and Biedrins are a great fit next to eachother (also played together on GSW)
Agreed.
Contract is a little long, but this is the first 4 the Nugs have had that will be able to shoot in a long time.
I remember in the first half of last season when Kenyon was hitting the 15-20 foot jumpers (amazingly) it really opened the floor up for the rest of the team. Alas, that didn’t last into the spring.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Atleast we did something
Anything to try to say something to Melo we are trying
Thug Life!
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
On the right track...
Just a couple more steps to finish off the off season:
1) Re-sign Joey Graham;
2) Add a 7-footer to back up Nene (I’m thinking this Earl Barron is looking good, or, I know you all disagree, but Elson would work too);
3) Guarantee C. Karl’s contract for this season;
4) Convince Balkman to show up this season (because right now, he’s our back-up PF); and
5) Add Othello Hunter from the Summer League as the last bit of “big man” insurance.
I was writing as you wrote...
but I mostly agree. But I hope they can can a better big by ditching Kmart and/or JR.
Right about Graham and Karl the Younger.
Is Othello Hunter a C or a PF?
As to convincing Balkman to show up, you’d have to tattoo the address of the Pepsi Center on the back of his hand, I fear.
Yes...
If we could work some magic with JR, K-Mart, or Balkman, I say do it…
Hunter’s a PF, and is too small to really be an NBA Center, although with Butch out, that’s what he’s doing in the Summer League.
Your Balkman comment made me laugh.
by NugsRoxHusker on Jul 14, 2010 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions
a balkman by any other name
balk (bôk)
v. balked, balk·ing, balks
v.intr.
1. To stop short and refuse to go on: The horse balked at the jump.
2. To refuse obstinately or abruptly: She balked at the very idea of compromise.
3.
a. Sports To make an incomplete or misleading motion.
b. Baseball To make an illegal motion before pitching, allowing one or more base runners to advance one base.
by caseyrude on Jul 14, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew there was a scientific reason for his slacking.
Via con Dios Brody
Q.P.U. # π
by Joelsopinion on Jul 14, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
They need to match LK's deal.
With salary cap relief approaching, they need more assets. LK would be another asset and at a good price. What’s not to like.
No D
I’m not sure how Harrington is going to do on the defensive side of things but I really like the idea of having a big on the floor that can shoot the 3-ball. I know K-Mart didn’t miss that many of them but I never liked seeing him spot up at the top of the arc for a 3.
This is an intriguing deal. I like Al Harrington, I just don’t like the length of the deal and the fact that Harrington has only played in 36 playoff games and only averaged 8.0/5.0 in those 36 games. On the other hand, he did make it to the Finals in 03-04 in his most successful season, so there is hope. If the only way they could sign him was offering a 5 year deal, then I guess we will have to live with that contract and hope it pays dividends. Because of the length of the contract, he won’t be a tradeable asset for a few years if he doesn’t pan out. This is a high risk/high reward gamble by the FO.
some people front load salary
we front load value.
I think Dallas would have been much closer had we not taken the gamble. He has borderline starter ability now. He could likely be a solid bench scorer late into his career, though his meager defense will likely become meager-er.
Too soon to talk about a new era of small ball...
the nuggs certainly hope to come up with some sort of big. Let’s say they manage to get Jason Thompson or Biedrens or Gortat. That could mean :
starter minutes / backup minutes
Biedrens 28 / Nene 16
Nene 16 / Harrington 24
Melo 36 / JR 12
AAA 26 / JR 12 / CB 10
CB 20 / Ty 28
I left some wiggle minutes up front for Balkman, then Bird when he returns. I am sort of presuming they won’t sign a decent big without moving Kmart, so he doesn’t appear.
Or, if JR is also gone, Harrington backs up both 3 and 4, and so on.
I’d re-sign Joey Graham as well, for depth.
Wrong
Chauncey is #1
There is no #7
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Oh, that's right. My bad. Could have sworn I've seen him in the #7 at some point.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
That's right. Knew I remembered it from some point.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Everything is good
You’re not crazy. Lol!
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
You did
But he changed his number last year.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Harrington gives the roster more flexibility
If they can make another deal for a defensive minded big to play center, they could move Melo to the 2 guard spot, and have a big frontline with Nene at PF and Harrington at SF, or at least play that way once in a while depending on matchups. They can go small and big when needed.
Harrington would be better at SG
Even though he’s taller than Melo he is a way way better 3 pt shooter than Melo, and Melo is a better rebounder than Harrington too.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
With the height + Shooting from our 2 forwards
It kinda reminds me of the Magic when they had Lewis and Turkolu (sp?). Now if only we could hyptnotize Nene to dominate like Howard we may be on to something.
Via con Dios Brody
Q.P.U. # π
by Joelsopinion on Jul 14, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I recommend he listen to a healthy dose of gangsta rap before each game.
Start with Vato by snoop dog, followed by Natural Born Killaz by IceCube and Dre ending with How I could just kill a man by Cypress Hill.
Knicks fan here...
Honestly, I wish I could tell you that you were all getting a great player, but Harrington has a ton of flaws to his game. First of all he plays zero defense. Its not that he doesn’t make any effort, but he is just too slow to guard most players in the league. Second, he is a huge ballhog and forces a lot of shots. Once he touches the ball, it doesn’t leave his hands. It infuriated Knicks fan and led to his nickname, Chucketts. He is a very good locker room guy and gives 100% every night. He just looks old physically on the court. If all you are expecting is a scorer to come off the bench and give you 20 points, then you won’t be disappointed. If you are expecting a team player who will play defense, pass the ball, rebound, etc., then I am afraid you will not like Al Harrington. Anyway, I definitely wish him the best and I hope he will have more success in Denver. Maybe he will play better when with a real scoring option like Melo on the floor. The Knicks sucked offensively, so he sometimes tried to do to much.
thanks for the heads up
with the Knicks roster Harrington was one of the few scoring options they had upfront along with David Lee. Stoudemire is probably going to be the same way for your Knicks (except get more rebounds) since you don’t have Steve Nash as a PG to get him the ball they way he likes it.
Thats true and I hope he is better in your system.
Harrington loved being in New York, and is a great guy to have in the locker room. Also, D’Antoni’s system involves ball movement and catching and shooting. Harrington excels in isolation. This was pretty much the worst possible system for him, since Harrington loves to go one on one. I think he can contribute to your team. Just don’t expect him to be someone he isn’t. He is VERY tough to guard in isolation, and can score in bunches. He will piss you off a lot with some of the shots he takes, but he gets to the line a lot and is an underrated outside shooter.
I agree that Stoudemire won’t be as good without Nash. I think thats pretty much a given. I think he will be better than Lee though, especially since the Knicks have Felton at PG now instead of Duhon.
Well all the Nuggets do is iso... wether it's Melo, Chauncey or JR
but he’s a good scoring option to have when Melo is on the bench
Yeah I was just going to say
Harrington excels in isolation, can score in bunches you say?….exccccccccccelllllent (while doing the evil finger pyramid of contemplation…..feels good)
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
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by Zachm219 on Jul 14, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good comments
I’m not a big fan of this move because I think Harrington is nothing more than a scorer and will disrupt the offense. However, if all we expect from him is 10 and and 5 witha few three, he can probably do that to the team’s satisfaction. Personally, I would like to see him become a Robert Horry (can’t remember if that is spelled correctly) type player.
I agree with you there.
It all comes down to expectations. If you are expecting a guy that will go out there, make all his teammates better, and play good defense then you wont like him. But if you are just expecting him to come off the bench, hit a few shots, grab a couple boards, and get to line then you wont be disappointed.
Don't know much about Harrington's past
But he seems like a really dedicated, team first guy from what I’ve read since we signed him. In NY he was really the only guy who could get off his own shot a lot of the times so I’m sure thats why he probably was a little bit of a ball hog. He won’t need to do that here with so many scoring threats. I think as long as he can find himself open at the 3 pt line we’ll be fine.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Not meant to be insulting to the Knicks
but that could have also stemmed from playing on a team that was awful, he was just trying to pad stats and didn’t really have any motivation to be a good team player because the team was going nowhere fast. I hope that was the case and he will be more motivated on a contending team.
Vamos Alberto!
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I believe in vets making this kind of adjustment
because of playing on a contending team
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
YESSIR! This was one of the guys I hoped Denver signed!
Good job after missing out on JO, Haslem and even garbage as Big Z.
I just remember last year vs the Knicks when Melo dropped 50, Al Harrington was messin us up badly!
http://espn.go.com/nba/recap/_/id/291127007/boxscore?gameId=291127007
Harrington is actually a good defender
He will shoot too much, but on d he stays with his man and can match up well.
you're the first person I've ever seen say that
I sure hope he is… but as of right now you’re like 1 out of 500 ppl saying he’s good at D
Sorry man but you obviously haven't watched him play too much.
As a Knicks fan, I watched him play just about every game last year. He does try on defense, but he is a very bad defender. He is very slow, so small forwards and guards are able to get around him very easily, and power forwards are able to post him up. He will grab a few rebounds, but don’t expect him to do much in terms of defense.
Remember, he played for D. Nelson
…which, I think, sucks the D potential right out of you. Playing in D’Antoni doesn’t help either.
+1.
You may remember about 2 years ago when everyone started discussing LeBron going free agent and wearing Yankees baseball caps etc. People then were saying, the Knicks would be the perfect team for LeBron because D’Antoni plays a purely offensive type game and LeBron could run up 100 pts a night.
So yeah, Maybe under Karl he can learn a thing or two about defending. You never know.
Can't remember where I read it
But Harrington siad while he’s in Denver he wants to shatter the notion that he can’t defend. Sounds good to me. Plus, I don’t take much away from the theory that he can’t defend when the last two coaches he played for were Don Nelson and Mike D’Antoni.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope this is true
effort always makes bad D slightly less bad.
I'm just kind of mad cuz this means we won't match LK
both would be undersized for the PF… but LK is a lot younger and a lot cheaper… I’m surprised the FO went out and got Harrington for such a high price when they could’ve gotten Kleiza for a lot cheaper… seems kind of like a panic move due to Dallas and Utah improving, but at least we’re willing to spend and that’s a good sign
LK would have been a bad idea
If the guy didn’t want to play here, he’d probably go back to Europe. I wants to be in Toronto, why sign him here where he doesn’t want to play. He’d be a cancer to the team.
by NugsRoxHusker on Jul 14, 2010 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
not rly... he just said he wanted to play in Toronto b/c he was just signed by Toronto..
what do you expect him to say.. " I signed here, but my hearts in Denver"
sure he knows he’ll lose minutes in Denver, but he also gets to compete in the playoffs and still gets the same money
No, he litterally said he didn't want to play in Denver
In two of the articles I read about that signing he specifically mentioned wanting to play in Toronto and NOT wanting Denver to match. I think it has to do with the large amount of Euros Toronto has on the roster right now and it seemed funny how quikcly they traded Hedu after they signed Kleiza. I think he’s probably got the starting job there.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
yep, he wasn't just saying that
He proved last time around that he will underperform if he doesn’t get what he wants (like Melo’s minutes). He played hard for an extension and looked solid, but then he lost the extension and looked soft and doughy.
I understand. I had high hopes for Kleiza once, too.
His hour long ESPN special will air tonight at 11:59pm.
by MMGraves on Jul 14, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't totally blame him, though
He was the star of the Olympiacos team that placed 2nd in the Euroleague this year and looked like the best player on both ends of the court in the couple games I saw (yes, Nuggets fans, he can actually play defense and crash the boards — against Euro players, at least).
I don’t think he’s talented enough to take over an NBA game, but he can do way more than the Nuggets ever expected of him. I can’t blame him for wanting to start, and he’ll fit in really well in Toronto.
lets stop using the word "cancer" to describe attitudes on this team..
with Coach, his son, and Nene actually having gone through actual cancer which is WAY worse than someone’s bad attitude, let’s be a little more creative.
by jd80229 on Jul 14, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about asshat?
Proper usage:
He would be an asshat in the locker room.
His asshattery is really detrimental to the team.
He is full of asshate for his fellow team mates.
um
…so let’s see if I have this right.
“Nene survived testicular asshat” …?
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah why not. Cancer sucks.
But at any rate, I was sticking with the theme of cancer is cancer and we need a new word for idiocy, discontent, bad sportsmanship etc. I chose asshat.
I had a feeling that joke might have been counterproductive...
damn it.
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Speak for yourself
I word HARD
Via con Dios Brody
Q.P.U. # π
by Joelsopinion on Jul 14, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
eurpoe teams are hemmoraging cash
most european squads are not handling the recession in europe well thats why all these guys are coming voer, Kleize, splitter, childress, etc.
Panic is right
The front office being in disarray probably contributed heavily to this poorly thought out signing
Swats.
BAD MOVE
1. By the time Harrington’s contract is up, he will be 36 and making $7.6m a year, already with 12 full NBA seasons on his legs. There are zero team options.
2. He has a career average DRTG of 107, and last year’s it was 111. By comparison, Amar’e Stoudemire, notorious for his no defense play, was a 109.
3. His USG rate is 23.2, higher than Kenyon Martin’s and only slightly lower than J.R. Smith’s.
4. He commits almost 4 PFs a game on average.
Al Harrington is fool’s gold. Denver is now locked into yet another long term contract for a player who is questionable in how he’ll contribute to the team – being essentially a “Carmelo Anthony-lite” – when what the Nuggets really needed was to add size.
Think about it this way: When the Nuggets start the season this October, they will only have one player – ONE – who is taller than 6’10" (and that’s being generous – Nene.
This is how we’re expected to compete against the Lakers and other squads who have added size, by going small? I think we’ve all seen how that worked out for Golden State. Lakers have Bynum/Odom/Gasol, Utah has Jefferson, Portland will have Camby and Oden back, Sacramento has Dalembert, Dallas has Dirk and Haywood…I could go on and on.
Fact of the matter is Denver made a poor decision to make a move just to make one rather than thinking it out. Over the next few seasons as Harrington’s skills decline further we’ll wonder what we could have spent that MLE on.
Harrington will slide right into the Nuggets uptempo system, sure. He’ll even win us a few games during the regular season. But what the Nuggets needed was to add youth, size, and defensive presence, not old, average-size (for a PF) and almost pure offense.
I really question this move as being anything that will help the Nuggets and think that it’s a sign that our FO has lost the direction of this team.
Swats.
by BeefySwats on Jul 14, 2010 8:53 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
WHile I'm not really behind this move, I think he does bring some things to the table...
he’ll open up the floor for every and can create his own shot… if we can convince him to pass a lil more and work harder on the boards then we’ll be fine…
also, I can’t think that we’d go into the season as currently constructed… there has to be another trade on the horizon… it’s gonna be JR and/or KMart for a big man
You really think you're going to get a vet like Harrington
to change? Doubtful. The guy is what he is… and that’s not going to change at this stage in his career.
Right
I didn’t even mention Harrington’s problems with coaches in the past, much less his inability to scoop more than 5 boards a game despite being 6’9"
Swats.
You're overanalyzing this way too much
I don’t even have any clue what DRTG and USG even means. If you have watched enough basketball you should be able to judge how good a signing is from what you’ve seen. It’s too early to declare this a poor signing and Harrington incapable of playing efffective defense. I do agree that the contract is kind of shitty but at 35 Harrington will still be able to shoot, which is always useful. Also, the summer isn’t even close to being over yet, so to say that the FO has lost direction is premature.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
DRTG and USG
DRTG = Defensive Rating (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); for players and teams it is points allowed per 100 posessions.
USG = Usage percentage is an estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while he was on the floor.
Neither of his stats in either area are good at all. He is just not what the Nuggets needed
Swats.
by BeefySwats on Jul 14, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
At the end of the day
I would have rather done something than nothing.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Does that include all the way back to signing Kenyon?
Swats.
by BeefySwats on Jul 14, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That' not what I was saying
But man, you gotta start looking at the bright side a bit here. Every NBA team has bad contracts, that’s just the nature of negotiating in the NBA. It could be much much worse. Right now we got a great team and 20 mils worth of expirings. With this signing we have shown that we’re still in the game. Yes, it would have been nice if the contract was structured differently, but damn, here we are bitching and complaining for the past year about our front office not doing shit to improve, then when they finally make a move it’s not good enough. Give it some time to play out first of all, then we can pass judgement.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I hear ya GN
I’m just upset at the fact that Harrington is clearly not what the Nuggets need to get to the next level. We have always been a scoring team with one of the best offenses in the NBA and that would not have changed next season. So why do we add Harrington instead of a more qualified defender for less money and a shorter contract?
It just seems really shortsighted and a poor evaluation of the team’s needs.
Swats.
Shortsighted it may be
But when it’s all said and done it’s the longrun which really matters and until we reach that point we can’t say this was a bad deal. I really believe this has to set us up to trade JR or Kenyon. IF that is the case and we do land a legit C then how good does this move look? But worst case scenario even if that doesn’t happen we still sign an impact player who can stretch the floor and occasionally snag a board here and there. That’s never bad. Then we have 20 mils worthy coming off the books next season. I just see it as a win win for us, but of course that’s just my view.
Stiff 4 Life
by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree if we trade JR we are definite need of offense
in addition to defense. the bench would have no explosiveness without JR. Sorry, Lawson is a good point guard but he’s not a scoring machine. It was a lot less explosive this past year just without Kleiza. Cause usually Kleiza would often step up nights JR decided to go ice cold.
Now I think we have a consistent scorer that allows us to turn JR and/or Kmart into hopefully someone with size who plays defense and rebounds. Hopefully that person is starting quality and we can then bring lawson, harrington, birdman etc off the bench to bring a nice high energy scoring punch. That’s what 2nd units are needed for. Energy and explosiveness. It’s okay if they have flaws as long as they are very good at what they do well.
how about "in addition to"?
rather than “instead of”
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I posted this above
But Hollinger wrote in his column today that the last two years of Harrington’s contract are only 1/2 guaranteed.
But what if I told you the deal was three years, $26 million? Does that sound so bad? Because that’s effectively the deal the Nuggets agreed to with Harrington. I’m told the last two years of the deal are only half guaranteed, which means Denver can walk away having paid for three years at just under $9 million a pop.
Unreal
I really cant agree with this move. He’s really not all that big. So we needed height and we didnt get it. Thats for starters. Sure he is an offensive guy that will fill in for Kmarts absence on that end of the court, but on the defensive side, he cannot fill Kmarts void. Can you imagine Al getting a hand in Paus face? how about dirks? Thing Al is going to bump it up with the likes of Al Jefferson? You know which Al is going to win that battle Nuggets fans.
I really cant write another word here without talking about what a complete dumbass this guy is. Watch out cause this guy is going to do some stupid shit. Ever hear about how much he likes to hang on the rim and get whistled for it?
copy and paste into browser:
http://ballhype.com/story/photo_al_harrington_s_motivational_poster/
by Dillon Levi West on Jul 14, 2010 8:56 AM MDT reply actions
Yep
Totally wrong move for the team and now we’re locked into a long term contract with really no hopes of trading him until the end of it. Who is going to want a 33-35 year old Al Harrington for 6m a year?
Swats.
Lol, I like it
It might just be me but I always liked guys who hang on the rim for extended time. Hell, you got up there, might as well appriciate the view right?
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
We might flame out in the post season due to half court sets
But hey, the upcoming regular season should be fun as hell and we’ll run teams out of the building if we can keep them under 120 pts per night. It’s gonna at least be entertaining to watch.
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Id rather have Brad Miller
that guy has something left in the tank, and he has given Denver fits
by Dillon Levi West on Jul 14, 2010 8:57 AM MDT reply actions
he can't anymore... we can't offer him anything besides the BAE anymore
I think he’s going to Houston… but maybe he’ll stay in Chicago
Right, did anybody watch Brad Miller last year?
Miller has been scrub material for a couple of years now. He is a true Stiff at this point in time. Al fits into the style of offense we play much better.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He may still be coming to denver
If I am not mistaken they still have the biannual exception and a trade exception. I imagine brad miller is still on the radar. No way he fits the Nugs run and gun system as well as harrington though.
The worst part about this signing is that it now necessitates the Nuggets overpay for a big
Because they still need a backup behind Nene with Bird and Kenyon being out. If the FO is spending the full MLE on Harrington, what’s to say they won’t do something even more retarded and do something like offer a 5 year contract to Kwame Brown?
Really, really unhappy with this
Swats.
Uh, they spent the entire MLE
that means they can’t pay anyone more than the 2 million a year. So, the exact opposite of what you said is true.
I disagree somewhat
Maybe just wishful thinking, but I think this sets the stage for a K-Mart and JR dump. I know I saw it on here before, but what about K-Mart/JR for Biedrins/Ellis?
Biedrins is so limited
we already have our limited big man in Birdman
Ellis is a poor man’s Iverson.
Yeah but
Biedrins gives us another defensive minded big who can pull down a lot of rebounds [something we desperately need] and Ellis could easily replace JR’s production.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Also
There aren’t a lot of other good options at this point. I don’t believe this is the last move the FO will make.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Ellis could easily triple JRs shot attempts
I think Ellis has great speed and skills, but his stats are purely volume.
Personally, I would be really disappointed if the Nuggets got him. He’s better than Bad JR, but he’s not nearly as good as Good JR.
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
You can afford to have a limited big
…if you surround him with scorers and shooters. To me, a big on this team just has to defend hard and rebound…especially with Harrington in the mix now.
Exactly
Biedrins is PERFECT for this team. He’s a legit 7ft or more, is one of the better defensive bigs in the league, is one of the best shot blockers and rebounders in the league and he’s young. I’m telling you right now the kid knows how to play. I don’t think we could get GS to fall for trading Ellis too, they’re not that dumb, but if we could offer them K-Marts expring I think they might pull the trigger being that they drafted a center in the draft and just signed David Lee.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know Ellis' contract situation
But with their recent Lee trade, it seems like they want to get out from under Ellis’ contract. That is where I thought JR comes in. It would also make the salaries match I think—Biedrins for K-Mart straight up won’t work.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Beidrins is coming off of surgery
Yeah, he fits in. Ugh!
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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It's not like everyone who gets surgery never recovers
Like I have said before, it would be a little bit of a gamble, but I think if it pays off it would be huge.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Not to mention he's injury prone
Like Bird, Beidrins will be coming back from surgery. We don’t need anymore of that right now.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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You realize...
..ifthe Nuggets somehow pick-up Biedrins and Ellis…they basically have the good players from the pretty good Warriors team from a couple of years ago that beat down Dallas (I think it was) in the first round. …less Baron Davis…plus, a very good Nuggets core.
To me, that’s a very good team….offensively, anyway.
Didn't think of it that way
But still….
Biedrins can’t make a free throw to save his life and Monta has to take 30 shots to score 20 points.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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beans is a 50% career FTer
Martin shot 55% last year.
it's not that we aren't willing to accept a bad FT shooter
it’s that we already have a couple of those.
Overall, I’ll take Biedrins. He’s a defensive dynamo. I will hate his FT shooting just like I hate Kenyon’s, and especially Nene’s (jesus, man, just pretend there’s a defender there).
Pleeeeeease do not encourage the Ellis part of it. his shooting volume is so reknown that despite his inflated scoring average, analysts refuse to overrate him. Inefficient scoring is one thing I would hate for the Nuggets to acquire.
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
For what its worth
Marc Stein reports—#Nuggets to add Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter, sources tell ESPN.com’s John Hollinger
I would assume both for the minimum,
Which shouldn’t really affect their ability to do something else. I hope to god that the FO’s answer to the big man problem is not two 6’9" guys (with Williams added) though.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Shelden Williams is equivalent to Malik Allen... not a horrible minimum pick up...
but i do remember him missing a wide open dunk in the finals this year…
he’s also a UNC alumni (I think) and used to be amazing in college… so I hope Karl doesn’t plan on actually playing him
He is only there to bring the TACOS now that Malik is gone
Vamos Alberto!
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I panicked a little when I heard about this
but as Tacos 2.0, I feel a little better about it.
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Gotta go with Chalupa on this. There will never be another Tacos
Via con Dios Brody
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 14, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
anyone notice how they . . .
switched to mcnuggets in the post season and well, the rest is history. .
He looks like a porpoise
I hope those are dolphin-free fish tacos
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 14, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Why? My God.
Sheldon Williams is entirely inept at playing professional basketball. There are sooooo many other guys out there we could have signed for the min that are 100 times better than Williams right now. Ugh.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Al Harrington's defense compared to other names in the NBA
In 12 seasons in the NBA, he’s contributed only 21 defensive win shares (though, obviously, spending a lot of those seasons in Golden State and with NY).
Here’s a partial list of players that have contributed more defensive win shares (combined) than Harrington, who are minimum 6’9" and play the F position, from 1999-2010:
Rasheed Wallace
Peja Stojakovic
Jeff Foster
Carlos Boozer
Kurt Thomas
Joe Smith
Yeah.
At least I’m getting better at learning to use basketball-reference.
Swats.
For the uninitiated, almost none of those players are known for their defense
And they still contributed more DWS than Harrington, combined. That should give you some perspective
Swats.
Yeah, I realize that he's the outlier in that group
I am very un-sold on Harrington’s defense though
Swats.
Kurt Thomas isn't bad either, and same for Booz in my opinion
As for the whole defense thing. Dude, anybody who played more than 1/3 of their career in GS and NY is going to have a bad defensive reputation. People keep saying “Oh we should have signed Kleiza instead”, but he wasn’t exactly the second coming of Dennis Rodman either. True defensive stoppers are hard to come by in the NBA, they don’t just grow on trees. In fact more NBA players are bad at defense, just look at the All-Defensive First team this past year and that will tell you something. Bottom line is what Harrington brings on the offensive end way overshadows what he can do on the defensive end. And agian, we need to give him a chance before we declare him incapable of defending.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
all-defense this year was bull.
Kobe? Lebron? seriously?
It should have been
Rajon rondo
Arron Afflallo
Gerald Wallace
Shut down PF?
Dwight Howard
This is awesome
We’re going to have on hell of a shitty Defense this year. YEAH!!!
Anybody else worried?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Oh, and better news for you
We also just reached terms with Shelden “4.5ppg/3.8rpg career averages” Williams and the Rod Smith of the Nuggets.
Swats.
So
it’s just another year of the status quo! Karl has his work cut out for him with this group on the frontline. I’d run defensive drills until these guys dropped; it’s the only way they’ll improve.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
I thought about that
If GK did this, at least maybe he would get his point across during camp.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Obviously
I hate the length of the deal, but like his offense. Not sure if it cancels out his defense though. I suppose it’s an improvement compared to the other PF on the team.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
It doesn't
It’s only an improvement if you think taking a step towards the Phoenix Suns teams of yesteryear and a step away from the Boston Celtics of the last decade is the move which is going to get them to the Finals.
Swats.
Yep
The Nugs organization were kind of forced into this situation, and must adapt to the options available. Small ball and up-temp will be the name of the game….again.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
They weren't forced, they jumped
The pressure came from the fans and from a FO in disarray. No reason to use the entire MLE on a 30 year old, particularly not for a 5 year contract!
Swats.
Oh
don’t get me wrong, the contract is pretty bad. Haslem would’ve been nice for sure, but he stayed for a title (can’t blame him much) for less money. At least he gives the team a chance to out-score opponents; I don’t think they would’ve been able to based on their existing roster. Playing below average or average defense was already a foregone conclusion with or without Harrington.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Our Defense was one of our main problems last year
I guess it’s going to be again.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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I don't believe
there was a guy out there that would’ve changed the issue.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Jon Brockman. Othello Hunter. Lou Amundson. Louis Scola. Joe Smith.
All of them better defenders than Harrington, all of them still available
Swats.
Lol, no way man
So are you seriously telling me Jon “The Buick” Brockman, Joe “The Dinosaur” Smith or Loe “Who am I anyways” Amundson were going to save us from falling into the depths of defensive ineptitude? Give me a break. Those guys would have seen 20 minutes per game at the most and they arn’t going to single handedly change the way we play defense as a team. Al’s offensive is better than any of those guy’s defense, end of story.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes
Harrington won’t see more than 20mpg ideally, so I would rather have players that don’t eat up huge chunks of salary that are more devoted to playing defense than offense.
I completely disagree that Harrington’s offense would have overridden the defensive contributions of any of the above players.
Swats.
For that money
he’ll be out there for a lot more than 20 minutes a game, especially since he’ll be a starter. All those guys you mentioned would be nothing more than a below average reserve.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Wow, ok
You’re entitled to your own opinion. But Harrington is an asset who will see about 30 min per game I would think and with that amount of time on the floor wouldn’t you want somebody who can get their own shot off and contribute 15 plus ppg? I sure as hell would. But again, look at the names you mentioned. You’re seriously saying you would rather have had Jon Brockman more than Al Harrington?
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't even know
who the heck he is. Isn’t he the anchorman in the Simpsons?
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
by propheteer on Jul 14, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what, he probably is
The Brockman I’m thinking of is about 6’7, white and has career averages of 2.8 ppg and 4 rpg. He’s Feinstein and Hastings favorite Stiff in the NBA from what I gather. Last year Hastings was broadcasting when we played the Kings and after Ty ran into Brockman he said “That’s like a flea running into a Buick.” And thus the knickname was born.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
and he does it
with quick-witted repartee and a surly attitude.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
I for one welcome our new ant overlords
by ParkHillNative on Jul 14, 2010 3:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I would
Seriously. Like I keep saying, the Nuggets have never, ever, EVER had a problem scoring points. We get it from someone every single night. But defensively, we’ve always been a middling to poor team.
Defense wins championships.
Swats.
We were one of the best defenses in the league two years ago
And we were middle of the pack last year. I still think Karl has a very firm grip on this team’s defense that were good enough to win when it counts. Plus it’s not like any of the Wests top teams are specifically known for thier defense either.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Lakers
Doesn’t matter much what the Nugs do cause there isn’t a team that can beat them. Thunder and Mavs (with Den as a sleeper) will even come close to challenging them.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Exactly
So say we do get back to the WCFs. Is Jon Brockman or Luis Amundson seriously going to challenge Pau or Bynum, or even Odom? No f*ing way. If we need size, then lets get somebody who’s actually going to hold ground against those guys. We do that via K-Mart or JRs expirings.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Then the question is why did we bring in Harrington in the first place.
This all goes back to my original posts in the FA thread that Denver should not overreact and sign a middling FA to a huge contract who won’t provide the beef we need to beat the Lakers.
And we ended up doing exactly that
Swats.
I see but what would you do
I understand that Al wont give us the beef to beat the lakers, nothing at the MLE would have? but what would you want them to do nothing, have melo not sign and extension, and try and convince Melo to play the 4 to start the season? We are desperate besides Nene there was no one on the roster in the frontcourt to start the season
Two easy steps for the FO to get a good big player.
Step 1.) Go back in time about two weeks.
Step 2.) Try to get a big guy instead of doing nothing.
Step 3.) Welcome big guy to the team.
Jermaine O'Niel was a possibility
Not a fan of his but he’s bigger than what we have. How about Yao Ming?
Kayman, Marc Gasol, MBenga, Ajinca, Koufos, Jianlian.
These guys were all in play over the last two weeks. A little bit of creativity would have helped.
for the MLE
for a trade yea but for the MLE we could have gotten none of those except Jermaine and he chose Bos.
The box is getting too small to reply to you.
The FO have been credited in past years for doing some miraculous things. This year was ripe for one of those miracles.
Um, stretch 4 anyone?
Can you imagine harrington going 1 on 1 vs Pau or bynum. they wouldnt be able to board well on D either, because harrington wouldnt be by the basket. This potentially forces them to put artest at the 4, and kobe on melo. Then what, fisher and blake at the 1& 2. Chauncey and Ty would TEAR THAT UP.
by Monkfish on Jul 14, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is in five years we will be griping about how we have his fat contract on the books.
And he’ll be injured for the final season. We won’t be able to play him and we won’t be able to trade him. I hereby dub him mini-kmart
well
it is 6 m per instead of 16. Pretty big difference.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Well K-Mart's contract
Might be the worst in NBA history. This one is just borderline bad.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you are missing my point.
Semantically, kmart = harrington
If in 5 years people aren’t bitching about being able to unload Al I’ll eat my hat.
I know a lot of people are excited about this deal but only because up to that point nothing had been done. Now that something has been done and people are excited about movement they equate it with goodness. It’s not the same thing.
I agree that people will be bitching
But at the end of the day, it is just the MLE.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
16 mil is entirely different from 7 mil
Plus factor in injuries to the equation and it’s not even close.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Also not the point.
When fans are unhappy with a player they immediately call for a trade. Then they ++justify that trade with “not only do we get rid of an asshat but we also get $$$$ free on cap space.” That number almost doesn’t matter. People on denverstiffs.com use this very same excuse to want to get rid of Malik Allen and AC alllllll the time. So, 16mil, 7mil, 3mil, minimum, those numbers almost don’t matter.
I guess I should go celebrate now because we have Harrington. WC championship is in the bag.
Of course that number matters
16 mils worth of freedom to sign free agents is WAY different from 7 mils worth. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. 16 can get you a max deal, a franchise player, a possible playoff spot. 7 mil not so much.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I think they are squandering the money on crap like Williams and not Joey Graham.
and duh, I know 7 < 16 but from the way things look, I’d say the FO is going to trade kmart and jr for 3 more forwards. The older the better.
Squandering indeed
I can’t tell you how stupid it was to sign AC and Williams when there are so much better guys out there. You gotta realize, these guys are still going to be playing in practice. How much better can Nene get when he’s going up against Sheldon Williams? Not much. At the same time it makes me think that maybe since we just signed Williams and AC so quickly that we have another move in place for a good player that won’t allow Williams to ever see the court.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Hope you are right.
I still wanted to see a big man out there. We don’t have anyone that can stand up to the big guys on the Lakers. Size alone they have Mbenga, Gasol, Odom and Bynum. Three of those guys are good.
I’m not hating on Harrington I just think there were better options a week ago.
I don't know who
but that has got to be right. There’s no way we pick up a bench piece like Al and then take Shelden as our “legit” big. He’s got to be garbage time.
Once we get that big, Harrington will look much better.
by deezNuggets on Jul 14, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I was really more hoping for some kind of fantastic coup
Bringing in a guy like Kayman would have been an interesting play. I’m not that great with NBA numbers, it’s not like real math and the rules seem to change so I’m not even sure it it would have been possible.
the injury argument is so tired
i’m sick of everyone labeling every player as injury prone. every player gets injured. you can’t predict those things. nene is not injury prone. harrington is not injury prone. Here are his games played the last 5 yrs:
76
78
81
73
72
That is not injury prone. Is it possible he’ll get injuried? Sure. If you were terrified of that you’d never give anybody a contract longer than 1 year. Get over it.
Money statement right there
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Now they'll argue that he has too much mileage for his age
You can’t win. Bottom line, we weren’t getting anyway better than Al to come hear, and not for any cheaper. We have to live with it. I’m looking forward to next season. Should be fun.
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 14, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
You want injury prone?
I’ll show you injury prone.
5 yrs:
58
66
71
2
56
Can you guess who that is?
Quitter's People United Member #69
by the real stranger on Jul 14, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
What are you talking about?
Those aren’t numbers for either Harrington or Nene.
how about:
42
36
81
68
5
72
Those are Harringtons real numbers the last five. Plus, he’s coming back from injury himself.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 14, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
My bad
Thanks for the correction. That makes him look a lot better.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 14, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I gotta hope
We aren’t done. This could be solved by getting Gortat or Biedrins.
i agree
i think this opens up a potential JR smith for Gortat trade
or a Biedrins for kenyon trade but that wouldn’t happen until closer to the deadline and would require GS to not be in a playoff hunt,
I would prefer the Gortat deal
And save K-Mart for the deadline.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Think about it like this
We could have gotten Louis Scola for the MLE or at least forced Houston to match. Instead we got Harrington
Swats.
I think Scola will garner more money than the MLE
Maybe not, but I think he deserves more than that. But yeah, I would have perfered him.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Scola is gonna get a lot more than the MLE
not to mention he’d have to sign the offer sheet, which he wouldn’t have..
Point being is that there were other better options still out there that we could have pursed
Swats.
And then been shut down once again?
That’s what happened with the other two bigs we persued. The thing you aren’t realizing about this is how many options it opens up with K-Mart and JR. Their contracts now equal big men basically. All that’s left is to persue them.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
No point in pursuing it
U think Houston is gonna take Kmart for Scola? Not a chance. There really aren’t that many options out there and a dynamic offensive threat is as good as anything the Nugs could have got. You can’t ever have too many shooters and scorers on the team as long as you commit to playing team defense. Karl is pretty good at getting players to play the team defense game.
Yes!
That’s what I’m saying. When was the last time you looked at a team and said, “Oh, they got too many shooters, there’s not way they’re going to be good.” Never! Shooters are always good in the NBA, that’s what you do in this game, you shoot. Harrington is going to stretch the floor and allow guys like Melo, Ty and AAA to penatrate.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Ball hogging was mostly a creation of existing on a HORRIBLE Knicks team that didn't ahve anybody capable of producing their own shot.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Not one player in the league is going to hog the ball with Melo on the team
The Nugs have the #1 ball hog in the game. I am not saying it is a bad thing either.
by Gasus on Jul 14, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
EXACTLY!
Thanks for saying this. Nobody is gonna hog the ball away from MElway. He’s the best scorer in the league! Think of how many times he way double teamed last season. Harrington will draw defenders away and open up the paint.
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 14, 2010 5:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Shelden and Ac
Hollinger is reporting Nugs have agreed with Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter for veterens minimum.
Shelden i understand we need size at this point any size is good size.
but although i know George has a man crush on AC we really need to not spend money or minutes at PG we need to let Lawson develop and spend money on frontcourt. Guards are the only positions with well defined starters and back ups
Exactly
That is two mil completely wasted right there imo. Neither of those guys will even play and both CAN’t playe even when asked.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
It is not like there is some stud big that we can sign for the minimum
The AC thing doesn’t bother me—he won’t play anyway.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 10:16 AM MDT reply actions
Unless Lawson gets hurt again...
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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I saw Karl filling in at the #3 PG
But with this signing, which I am mostly OK with, Karl is now our #3 SG, because I see him sticking around if nothing else but to be there as his dad recovers.
by NugsRoxHusker on Jul 14, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Need to Add Lou
Adding admundson with Harrington makes a lot of sense. Nuggs need a front line player that will hustle, bang and do the dirty work. Harrington and Williams are pretty soft. Let’s hope the Nuggs add a front line guy for Kmart mid- season.
by ACEIII on Jul 14, 2010 10:26 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
At least Harrington is a good dancer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLWuIS-6Rfw
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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I will now
Leave Mr. Harrington alone for the rest of his Nuggets tenure. That was an EPIC Soulja Boi.
Not thrilled about the length or the limits in his game . .
But at least it appears All has a sense of humor “I am taking my talents to Mi-Hile”
Lebron my have the gals on south beach nailed . .but Al should be able to pass the bong with anyone on the team . . .
Good character guys are always a plus!
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Does anyone know?
If Al Harrington has the proper prerequiste number of Tats to be a Denver Nuggets?
He's in a Denver parlor as we speak
He completely understands the responsibility of becoming a Thugget Nugget.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
We are the Thuggets
And we love it! As a new member, you have to embrace it!
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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Anyone else getting the feeling....
That Don Nelsons twin is making the FO free agency decisions. hmmm
Warriors Nuggets games are going to push a combined pt total of 300
Williams and Carter
Sheldon Williams and AC also signed with Nugs.
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link
That would be your scrub big as well. I like Shelden, he is a good pickup if we got him cheap, still doesn’t bring enough size to the table
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=harrington-100714
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Or
http://www.denverpost.com/sports2006/ci_15513635
Multiple sources confirm. Vet’s min for both. Good signings.
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AC is a freaking zombie
I have a feeling he isn’t done making my hair fall out.
by Rainbow skyline on Jul 14, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Funny how that idoit (AC)
keeps getting a job from us
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Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Jul 14, 2010 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
My Issues
1. Size
2. Need
3. Length of contract
4. Price in comparison to Kleiza
5. Age in comparison to Kleiza
That said, we can now freely deal JR and still have some scoring punch off the bench when K-mart gets back. K-mart is likely to be back by the deadline. Nuggets will sign a scrub big to fill in while Bird and K-mart heal up. Balkman will play. Nuggets will play small, when K-mart comes back either he or JR will be on the move at the deadline. Honestly I say do it know. Try to get Biedrins or Gortat or something like that. JR’s scoring can be replaced by Harrington, his slot as the backup 2 can be replaced by Junior.
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Kleiza wasn't coming to Denver
Harrington is a much better option anyways
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Kleiza didn't want to be here
He had a front loaded offer sheet too, so it would have hurt to keep him next year, probably almost as much as Harrington. Maybe that’s why they agreed to spend the whole MLE
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by runningdonut on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Balkman will play
Pft yeah. Good luck on that.
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Well its him or Shelden I suppose
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Please shoot me if it's Sheldon
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Just like that I think the FO is done for the Offseason
Your opening day lineup:
PG- Billups/ Lawson
SG- Afflalo/ Smith
SF- Melo/ Harrington/ Balkman
PF- Harrington/ Williams/ Balkman
C- Nene/ Williams
9 man rotation
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Yeah true
I think the idea of JR playing with Harrington is intriguing though.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Good News Folks
Last two years are only partially guaranteed.
meaning its effectively a 3 year 26 Mil deal
for AL harrington
last two years are only half guaranteed
Like I said
You gotta wait to see how it all plays out before overreacting.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
link saying only partially guaranteed if you have espn insider
No, I'm kidding. I can't do stick figures even.
I spend all my money on season tickets so I am in a sense starving.
I make half my living in the Art business
I’m an agent/business manager….which means I starve when they starve. lol
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alright ill quote it for ya
But what if I told you the deal was three years, $26 million? Does that sound so bad? Because that’s effectively the deal the Nuggets agreed to with Harrington. I’m told the last two years of the deal are only half guaranteed, which means Denver can walk away having paid for three years at just under $9 million a pop.
Perfect salary dump
4 years from now we will get great value from him at the deadline.
rest of article
And that’s actually a decent value, especially in this year’s bloated market, because of the No. 1 consideration — the guy can still play. Harrington’s PER has been above the league average for three straight seasons, and while he won’t be garnering any All-Defense votes, he’s a fairly mobile big man who can move to the 3 in a pinch. He can also fill it up, having averaged better than a point every two minutes for each of the past five seasons.
Harrington is especially crucial for the Nuggets for two other reasons.
First, the market for big men was rapidly drying up on them and the Nuggets were desperate for one with Chris Andersen and Kenyon Martin recuperating from knee injuries that could leave them on the shelf when the season starts.
Second, Harrington provides a new dimension for Denver: a big man who can step away from the basket, play pick-and-pop and provide more spacing for Carmelo Anthony to do his thing around the basket. Denver opponents always crowded the paint and the Nuggets lacked an effective answer; Harrington changes that equation entirely.
Folks in Denver should also be giving a wink and a nod to owner Stan Kroenke for pulling the trigger on this deal. The Nuggets are already $3 million over the luxury tax, which means Harrington’s deal will effectively cost Kroenke close to $12 million in tax payments this season. The other casualty is Linas Kleiza. Any chance of matching Toronto’s four-year, $19 million offer sheet just went out the window, as the Nuggets have both a full roster (they also agreed to terms with vets Anthony Carter and Shelden Williams) and a budget hole.
Nonetheless, it’s a strong move for Denver after losing out on Jermaine O’Neal (Celtics) and Udonis Haslem (Heat). In a Western Conference where it’s anyone’s guess who the second-best team might be, this deal keeps the Nuggets strongly in the running for that honor.
+100000000
that would make Harrington 34. Right about Chauncey’s age. Which leads me to: How about we finally keep a draft pick.
I think there's a bit too much hysteria going on here. My thoughts:
1) I Harrington the guy I would have chosen among all FA’s? Of course not. But our salary situation did not allow us to make a play on any of the big names. Besides, he’s still an above average player! Quit treating him like he’s dog meat. Comparing him to Brockman or Brad Miller or Louis freaking Amundson . . . give me a break.
2) For those calling out Jermaine O’Neal? They tried, he chose Boston. Beyond that, anybody saying Harrington will be old and useless by the end of this contract? JO is already there. His best years are long past him.
3) This is a very good move on the offensive side of the ball. Harrington will give the Nugs a legit outside threat from the 4. When was the last time you could say that? This will spread the floor for everybody else. And as has been said before, shooting ages well. I don’t like the length of the contract, but he’ll be able to shoot even at the end of it. Maybe he can transition into a Robert Horry-type for the last two years.
4) Can Al play D? I have no idea . . . but nobody else does either. His last five years were coached by Don Nelson and Mike D’Antoni. No, he’s not going to provide the “beef” up front to compete with the Lakers, but I don’t think that’s what this move is about.
5) As far as the horrible contract? Length is not good. 5 years is a lot for Harrington. But there’s absolutely no comparison between this and KMart. 5-7 million per is AVERAGE for an NBA player . . . which makes my head explode . . . but 6-7 mill on the payroll for 5 years is absolutely not going to cripple the team in the way KMart’s contract has.
6) I will reserve judgement of the FO until the rest of the off-season plays out. If this is the big move, NO, I won’t be happy. But we’ve got two expiring contracts that are always attractive in KMart’s and JR’s. I’m expecting move moves are in the cards.
Let’s just all take a deep breath and a step back and at least try to remain rational.
Actually, it's only 3/26 rather than 5/34
Much more palatable. It at least makes it easier to swallow that we still haven’t yet picked up a legit center to back up Nene.
Swats.
Yeah, just read that. Makes a lot of sense to me now.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
yup
I think we are done making moves given our roster, but there’s always the possibility we pull a rabbit out of our hat with JR and Kenyon
Swats.
more than a possibility
I would be shocked if Kmart is on the roster post-deadline.
by Rainbow skyline on Jul 14, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for summarizing everything I have been saying for the past 3 hours BR
Word to ya motha.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
that analysis makes me feel better about this
hadn’t really thought of it before, but it makes tons of sense to get a stretch-the-floor big(ish) man. raise your hands if you’ve gotten tired of melo plowing into 2-3 guys camped out in the paint, getting blocked, not getting a call, and then chirping at the refs. broken record. more than anything, Al will contribute by opening the paint a bit for melo’s drives-this could make a major difference.
by Rainbow skyline on Jul 14, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
The key will be if Melo dishes out to Al when the paint is clogged . . .
. . . which he can certainly do, but that’s the only way the paint will open up for him.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Now chauncey can be a pass 1st pg
Instead of 33yo chauncey scoring 20ppg, he can score 12, with 9 assists in less minutes. split the scoring load between nene and harrington. save chauncey for the offseason/4th quarter.
I like that.
Not to mention TyLaw penetrating and dishing to find the spot up 3 from Harrington . . . the little waterbug will be running circles around entire teams.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Howabout packaging K-Mart & JR for Marc Gasol? I’m sure the Grizz would like to see some more explosive scoring from JR and the expiring K-Mart contract will help them out too…
I don't think they would
They already got Mayo and just resigned Gay, not to mention draftind Xavier Henry. I think they really want to win now and K-Mart would’nt help them do that.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Keep dreaming
J.R. by himself earns more than Gasol. Would need to take a bunch of other contracts to include Kmart.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 14, 2010 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions
At first I said to myself, "no way"
But now that I think about, the FO might pull that ish in part because it will help sell tickets. God help us if the Big Prospector ends up here. Fools gold.
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 14, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
HE'd be perfect
With K-Mart’s expiring, who knows, maybe it would be better to just let it come off the books that way we could sign some FAs that we really want.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
wont help to let him expire
Gasol, Horford, other young, worthwhile FA are restricted. so you trade Kenyon for value, then trade whatever you acquired for kmart for the RFA of your choice in the offseason.
I think if kmart and jr expire, and we decline chauncey’s option, we will only have a few mil in cap space.
I'm still not sure what role they intend for Harrington
bench or starting….
I’m in favor of them signing a big guy from the Summer League to back up Nene. Oh and Sheldon Williams will be this year’s Petro. He only see’s the court if there’s an emergency
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i can see the downside to this but at least we have another scorer, and he's versitle ( an odom like)
and it’s better then not doing anything at all at this point
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There are some valid concerns about Harrington
But this gives us a lot of options – Nuggets can play their 2 point guard offense with more big bodies on the floor. Nuggets clearly wanted a veteran with starter’s experience. It;s understandable because the Nuggets aren’t in any position to develop a big man or go dumpster diving for their starting power forward. Yesterday I said Harrington wasn’t the best fit – but he was really the only legit option left that was worth the contract. We have to wait and see how Melo and the team adapt to this signing.
Harrington could really be dangerous off the bench for us, and I firmly believe this puts JR on a short leash. He just better not act up and show some improvement and maturity for once in his six year career.
This signing all but confirms the fact that Kenyon needs to be traded. Nuggets were looking for a starter all along – the plan is to replace him, maybe because he’s unlikely to play and maybe because the Nuggets have finally come to terms with how frail he is. Kenyon, if he does come back healthy would only have to play limited minutes – but now I don’t see us passing up a chance to get something out of that huge $16.5 million expiring – especially sinc ethe cap space doesn’t really help us anymore with Harrington on board.
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Lineup?
I don’t htink you can realistically play Harrington alongside JR, but pairing either with Afflalo or Nene should do a lot to cover up their individual defensive weaknesses.
Swats.
I'm thinking this guarantee's that Kenyon is unloaded at the trade deadline
JR is the wild card here….if they could work out a deal for a competent big for Jr before the season I say they should just do it
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JR for Gortat
Gortat Nene would be awesome with Harringotn as 6th man. Come on lets make this happen, salaries work. ORL is losing JJ redick they need a bench 3 pt scorer. lets do this
I hadn't seen it specifically
What happened? I’ve been too busy drooling over Lawson’s play of late
Swats.
Dimemag puts it best
Tuesday was "Bring Your Real-Life NBA Player to Summer League" Day, as J.R. Smith, O.J. Mayo and J.J. Hickson suited up for the Nuggets, Grizzlies and Cavs, respectively, for a dose of authenticity. Well, kind of. While O.J. is seriously working on his point-guard skills and J.J. is fine-tuning his game as the probable starting power forward in Cleveland, J.R. was in straight clownin’ mode. The stat line says J.R. only took five shots in 15 minutes (9 pts), but trust us: He was looking to shoot every single time he got the ball. The only time he passed was when he couldn’t find the look he wanted, and he usually called for the ball right back. Denver won in a rout, and while most of us had stopped paying attention by the time it was over, we wouldn’t have been surprised if J.R. left the gym at some point during the game.
Thanks for sharing MM
I have now moved to 120% in favor of moving JR NOW.
I was at 100 before this.
by NugsRoxHusker on Jul 14, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I TRY to be fair so I'll say this much
At least he wasn’t teaching the younger players how to bounce the ball into the hoop.
We have younger players?
thats good, cause i was worried that outside of lawson we hated the draft
Too much negative nancy from you MMGraves
JR is a king frontrunner in the NBA. When a Nugget team puts a rout on another team JR drives the knife through their hearts with his show boating and circus plays. I have a strong feeling you are just blowing negative smoke about JR here.
And for the record
When we need JR to ram the knife in during the playoffs last year he was a no show.
I think that we all agree this is what should happen...
and that is precisely why it won’t.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
RE: Trading JR
One thing that you ahve to be aware of is that it’s planned to have Harrington be the STARTING PF, not 6th man. So we are still going to need bench scoring, at least until Bird or Kenyon is back, supposing they do come back
Swats.
Ummm....not if you get Gortat
He goes to starting C, Nene goes to 4.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
If they pull off the Beidrins trade for Kenyon OR if they trade JR for Gortat
then Harrington moves to the Bench methinks
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Definatly
Where else would he play? I actually like the idea of two gifted shooters coming off the bench together with Ty.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
In fact (I know this won't be popular)
I think we should focus etirely on trading K-Mart instead of JR because we can still find use for JR, not so much with K-Mart.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe
Nene can play either position, so can Gortat, but as Nene has more experience playing the center role if it were me I’d still start him there
Swats.
I agree
but if you get a legit Center for JR, or even some solid defensive help at the PF/C position. Just do it. JR has proven he is what he is. Ty and AAA will be better players than he is. AL Harrington is already a great sixth man, so JR becomes pretty expendable. Especially because, as you pointed out, I don’t like JR and Harrington playing together.
Bottom line is Nuggets have a lot of options. If Harrington proves to be a good enough fit – I think JR and Kenyon are both gone and we will get a lot better. I really think AL wants to be here too because he could have got a similar deal with Dallas. Don’t underestimate that.
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by runningdonut on Jul 14, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
A move sideways not forward!!!!
Harrington is a good ball player, I’m not going to deny that. However, He is virtually the same size as Melo, rebounds less than Melo, and play less D than Melo (is that actually possible?). I see this move as the Nuggets F.O. saying, “Melo, we got somebody for ya, I know it’s not a Big man, but just wait till the trade deadline when we can unload K-marts contract.” The problem with this is that you never know who will be on the trading block come February. One year it could be Pau Gasol, and an other year it’s Antwan Jamison. It’s a crap shoot. I guess we will have to wait and see, but for the time being, we can expect the Nuggets to have SERIOUS problems rebounding the ball on a nightly basis. I feel like we’re turning into the Nuggets version of the Golden State Warriors.
hater
2 years ago the nuggets were in the wcf, and almost won, except for some inbounds plays and biased calls. last year, before injuries due to a thin frontcourt, the nuggets were KILLING every +500 team they met, and Melo in serious consideration for MVP. GSW doesnt have melo or chauncey, or even nene. how is more depth and versatility a bad move?
Hate the Melo cheap shots, but...
.. I tend to agree.
We’ve seen Harrington play here in NYC for a coupla years now & honestly, he doesn’t bring much when he isn’t shooting well. His defense is adequate, but on those nights the ball’s not going in, he brings nada! Also, he never drives to the hoop & seems to avoid contact whenever possible.
This is a lateral move that means little in the grand scheme of things. If we see it as a Kleiza for Harrington deal, fine- but I’d still take Kleiza if I had a choice.
Wait ^^^^^^
Did I just describe JR Swish here??
Melo deserves it
I love Melo, but the only reason Matthews made such a huge difference in the Utah series was because Melo didn’t play him honest. and it wasn’t out of character.
Also, I can’t begin to count how many times he complained about not getting the foul call while the rest of team faced a 5 on 4.
He’s our best player. We should hold him to at least the same standard as everyone else. I know he can be a better defender.
…he never drives to the hoop & seems to avoid contact whenever possible.
Nene?
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 14, 2010 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Since my guy is on information lockdown
can anyone here find out what the hell is going on with the Lou Amundson thing? It was looking like a sure thing last week and then suddenly the post reports he’s not coming to Denver?
Anyone know?
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what happened to him? (Sorry if you answered elsewhere)
I was beginning to look forward to those updates.
by broncosfaninKC on Jul 14, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
he's a bit worried about being fired
apparently the Nuggets front office DOES read this blog and people were getting upset about leaks and weren’t coming from either Chapman or Wark
Although he did say things are more “stable” in the FO situation. For what that’s worth. I’m assuming he means that we will get another year of the keystone cops
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Hey he can always join the blog if he gets fired
may not be quite as nice of a gig and of course he wouldn’t get paid but surely there are positives.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 14, 2010 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions
i'm almost positive he's not coming to denver after signing
Harrington, Carter, and Williams. We have a full roster already. I have no idea what hapened, but I’m assuming we weren’t willing to give him the money he wanted.
by higgyhoops12 on Jul 14, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
By my count
we’re only at 14, but our salary is probably making Stan puke.
by NugsRoxHusker on Jul 14, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't entirely agree with this sign.....
but it is really refreshing to see Denver finally do something.
I have a good feeling that this will open up for a trade involving Kmart and/or JR Smith.
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Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
forward
They should add Laurence Ekperigin, the rookie out of Le Moyne College, who currently plays on the Denver summer league roster. He scored 14 points in 15 minutes against the Bulls. He shot 4-4 from the field and was aggressive going to the hoop. This guy has huge upside.
chauncey-harrington connection
In his Hoopsworld chat, Steve Kyler reports talking to Harrington and has learned that he works out regularly with Chauncey Billups, theyt’re good friends and our #1 argued for signing him. He works out with other Nuggets as well..
I agree with Coach Karl that one of the most important benefits of this deal is to take pressure off of Melo that had an effect on game outcomes and his own frame of mind, especially late in the season. Assume the possibility of getting a defensive post presence depends on whether K’Mart’s contract can be sold——which may come later—-. I vote for getting rid of JR before the season starts as he is a bad apple on and off the court.
Interesting....I didn't know they worked out together
Does knowing that CB1 lobbied for Harrington change anyone’s mind?
Dunno….all I see is we have JR in a forwards body…if we can make it work though…
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Makes me feel comfortable
You know the saying, “In Chauncey we Trust”. I fully respect any player Chauncey states he wants to play with. It makes me feel better about Al’s character the most though
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 14, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
i don't think his character is really a concern
maybe just his selfish way of playing basketball. he seems like he’s a chucker. chauncey can be a chucker too so it’s not real surprising they get along. I think it’ll help that Melo and Chauncey are clear #1 and #2 on this team. Harrington hopefully will find and accept his role as #3. I think he can do it.
Al is no where near JR in terms of attitude and willingness to work hard.
And he is a good locker room presence from all accounts.
by blooming rock on Jul 14, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I was just going to say that
based on the reports Jr is still Jr…
I wonder if there will ever be a time when JR matures?
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He went 2 for 12 last night...
in Summer League.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 15, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Why does he get some many chances to 'mature'?
When I was his age I had my shit together. Nobody even wondered about it. JR will always be a doosh and he should stop hiding his ‘gambling money’ in the closet. He should be saving it for a rainy day because with guys like him it ends up raining more often.
Not rippin on you jpate78. Just a general comment.
because of what he could do
if he ever gets focused. Not saying it’s going to happen, or even likely to happen. But if J.R. ever figures it out, he’s a top 10 player in this league. Has more physical ability to play than just about anyone in the league.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 15, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Is the guy who wrote this column Kmart's agent or something
http://www.nesn.com/2010/07/kenyon-martin-on-verge-of-downfall-with-struggling-nuggets.html
Rather odd conclusions about Kenyon here
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dumb or ill informed author
who said Kenyon missed his first and only chance at a championship in 09 with the Nuggets, did he not realize Kenyon went to 2 NBA Finals with the Nets prior to signing with Denver??
I am watching the summerleague game
And jr has literally hucked up threes the first three times he caught the ball. Who said he was going to change in a contract year?
by Birdman and Jay arah on Jul 14, 2010 2:59 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
good try trolling
jr isnt on the summer league roster
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Yeah, lol
He surprised Ty by showin up. Apparently Ty jumped into a cab to get to the LV gym, and he was half-asleep, and J.R. was like in the cab. LOL.
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"Scars remind us of where we've been. They don't have to dictate where we're going."
Al Harrington makes an appearance at the Nugget's Summer League game
he got interviewed and kept talking about defense and that he is a good defender despite what people say about him
just saw that too...
He was talking about being a defensive stopper when he was with Indiana….have to look up those stats
i don't think there will be a link
it was one of those in game interviews
i doubt an Al Harrington mid-summer league game interview will make it to youtube
true
i just wanted to see al harrington say he was a defensive stopper i needed a good laugh been a rough day at work
haha
i would like to see this too
there’s this interview where he says he doesn’t like when people say he can’t play defense:
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/videos/2010/07/10/al-harrington-ive-got-five-good-years-left/
I'm trying to remmeber him at Indiana
and it’s just not ringing a bell.
As long as I can remember Harrington was known for Offense…..but maybe he’s out to prove he can play D….if so then good for us aye?
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nope
when he came into the league he was more defensive minded
then he fell in love with the 3 and received coaching from Nelly and’Antoni
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
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No matter what he has done in the past
speaking so much about D means it is strongly on his mind and I think that’s a good thing.
Vamos Alberto!
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seems like he has grown up a lot
The Nuggets maybe getting this guy at the perfect time in his career.
Where's Word at?
Him and I were the only ones that reallly pushed for Al. Thank god we got him, I think this is an awesome signing and I think it is a hell of a lot better than a lot of the guys that signed before him JO, Milicic, etc. Harrington brings so many things to teh Nuggets and it actually sounds like he has matured a bit and maybe will try to play some D. If he is serious about winning a championship then I think he will. Billups, Melo, and Harrington ain’t a bad 3 some at all especially when you throw Nene, AAA and JR in the mix. Thank you Stan for swallowing the money bullet and letting this happen. Now if Denver can dump KMarts contract for a nice center like Chris Kamen I think Denver would easily be teh 2nd best team in the West.
Also I watched WIlliams play in a D league game a few years ago. He’s tall and built like a twig and prob won’t play more than garbage minutes, but he’s a work in progress. I think he may be filling Butch’s role. If Denver can go out an make a splash via trade, I will be happy with this teams chances and the chances of Melo resigning with Denver. I think Melo is gonna like the Harrington addition a lot.
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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Good post
Would read again
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is this sarcasm
or serious? haha
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 14, 2010 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
JK
I was thinking of a different Williams haha my bad
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 14, 2010 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
You know what? I'm glad they did SOMETHING
I’m usually not a fan of making moves just to make em, but with this Melo situation, perception was fast becoming reality, and that perception was that we weren’t interested in upgrading. Allowing that to fester much further could have been disastrous to our efforts to lock Melo down on that extension. By grabbing Harrington, the FO has, to at least some degree, put the ball back in his court. And while Melo may feel the pull of NY’s bright lights, at the end of the day, I don’t think he walks away from a guaranteed $65 million for what’s behind door #3, i.e. the post-lockout CBA that will almost certainly be less favorable (perhaps drastically so) to players like himself than the current one.
So welcome to the Mile High Al Harrington – the LeBron-mocking tweet has already endeared you to this Nuggets fan. And thank you FO for putting my worst “stand-pat” fears to rest.
by CraftyB on Jul 14, 2010 6:58 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm interested to see
George Karl’s effect on Al Harrington’s game. I hope GK will convince him to work more on his defense and good shots.
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by the way,
I know Petro’s gone, but I’m still keeping QPU # 27. :)
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OT
George won the Jimmy V award for perseverance on the ESPY’s.
Vamos Alberto!
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I was just posting this...I'm crying like a little girl.
Ubaldo Jimenez: Don't you wish your pitcher was a lot like him
Brad Hawpe: Haters gonna hate
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
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I wasn't crying like a little girl
But the water works got to me. I was so touched, and the images they showed were hard to see. They really were.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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Melo better come back and get George his ring GD
Ubaldo Jimenez: Don't you wish your pitcher was a lot like him
Brad Hawpe: Haters gonna hate
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: Better than Uggla
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This needs to happen. My God that was a beautiful piece
Ubaldo Jimenez: Don't you wish your pitcher was a lot like him
Brad Hawpe: Haters gonna hate
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: Better than Uggla
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I can't wait to see him coach again
he is sounding better
Vamos Alberto!
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much better...and I'll bet he's hungrier than ever.
Ubaldo Jimenez: Don't you wish your pitcher was a lot like him
Brad Hawpe: Haters gonna hate
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: Better than Uggla
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