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K-Mart Has Knee Surgery


Nuggets power forward Kenyon Martin underwent left knee surgery this summer and an NBA source said, "I don't think he'll be ready for training camp."

Martin is the beating heart of the Nuggets defense, and also played some of his best offensive basketball last winter, before injuring his left knee, which led to platelet-rich plasma therapy in March. Martin returned for the postseason and played valiantly on the still-recovering knee, averaging 10.0 points and 8.3 rebounds.

Martin's rehab will determine when he can return to the court, most likely in the early months of the 2010-11 season.

Martin is rehabbing in different cities this summer, notably Dallas and Aspen, where he's hosting his Hoops for Kids All-Star Celebrity Basketball Camp from July 6-8.

Martin will be in the last season of his contract this coming season, and he's due to make around $16.5 million. The 32-year-old is a key part of Denver's lineup, but because of his expiring contract, there is a possibility he could be moved to a team looking for cap space next summer.

Nuggets coach George Karl has said multiple times that the team is inquiring about adding a big man to the roster. Martin, Nene and Chris Andersen all dealt with injuries last spring. Andersen, a reserve center, also is recovering from knee surgery this summer.

The Nuggets have not yet released a training camp and preseason schedule for next season, though it will likely start in late September.

via: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15394327

well that answers some of the questions that we had earlier... I'm curious to why he didn't have it right after the season b/c then he prob could've made it for training camp for sure.

I hope we could still trade him. It shouldn't affect it, b/c most teams looking at him will want him for his contract anyways

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he should have done what andersen did and get the damn surgery right away

andersen did it a month after, but whatever.
talk about a major setback

by lakerlover2by4 on Jun 28, 2010 4:28 PM MDT reply actions  

So how does this effect us trading him?

by Monkfish on Jun 28, 2010 4:30 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

It means he will definitely be traded

the only question is before the season or at the deadline. The only reason not to trade him would be if he was playing the way he did last season before the injury. This surgery means that isn’t going to be the case.

Shit.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 28, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

but if ty progresses

should we trade kmart? we might just want to let him come off the books and maybe not exercise chauncey’s option; let ty take over at pg. that way we can go after guys like marc gasol. unless we get something legit in return, id rather not have another long contract on the books.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jun 28, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just cut the chord, this KMart crap is just too old

The Nugs are paralyzed because of KMart’s contract. And every year he misses 1/3 of the season.

Cut it; cut the chord and just move on. The tantrums and popcorn in the car and the stupid fould and the blowhard wannabe game is sooo over.

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by the word on Jun 28, 2010 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

His contract will fetch incredible value at the trade deadline

Hard to believe, but it’s almost over!

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by LACK on Jun 28, 2010 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha... I don't want to lose KMart, but your tone there actually brought up a hint of excitement in me!

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 29, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

+100

I so agree with this. I was sick of the Kmart contract from his first injury in Denver.
(which was what, day 4?).
Someone said Kmart would never be a bench player. Christ, he’s been playing bench minutes for years!

by MMGraves on Jun 29, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

The article says he had surgery this summer

Do we know that he did in fact wait until now for surgery, or are we only hearing about it now?

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by margabelle on Jun 28, 2010 4:48 PM MDT reply actions  

If Kenyon Martin had surgery earlier, somebody would have posted it

Boy, K-Mart sure knows when to pick the right moments.
I’m expecting and DEMANDING the Front Office to do something now, because if they don’t, our season will go nowhere!

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.

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by Mini Hulk on Jun 28, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

And then you'll do...what?

Rush Stan and Wark’s houses?

Seriously, calm down man.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 28, 2010 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, I'm pretty calm

I like getting “mad” when it comes to public sites. It’s rather enjoyable.

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by Mini Hulk on Jun 28, 2010 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Venting Rocks!!!

Plus sometimes pitchforks and torches are a good response to FO ineptitude.

In response to the FO lack of delivery I quote old man Fletcher…

“Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s rain.”

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by the word on Jun 28, 2010 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dump Kmart

I think we should try to dump Kmart before the deadline but we won’t.
Wark wants to move and it will probably happen within the next few weeks. Why should he strengthen a potentially direct competitor? And before you jump on me with doubts about what I’m saying, I’m saying yeah, I question his integrity.

by MMGraves on Jun 29, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you try to go to Stan's house, you'll be stopped by a bazillion bodyguards

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by LACK on Jun 28, 2010 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Overreact or not overreact

If Stan and the Dreamers do nothing except for the nickel & dime crap they’ve done the last several years they might as well blow up the team and send Melo to an ogranization that actually gives a crap.

The Nugs indifference towards team improvement has been shameful ever since, well ever since the KMart FA debacle. Now it’s coming to a critical mass.

Big boy pants time Stan, time to be a real live owner… put up or shut up (that is if you ever actually stepped out of the shadows longe enough to speak)

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by the word on Jun 28, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Denver is pretty much hosed

It’s carry over from the B.S. just before the playoffs. KMart was far more injured than they let on; he came back though still injured and didn’t accomplish anything other than delaying his surgery and now screwing up 2 seasons rather than 1.

I was thinking if the injury was as serious as was suspected, rather than trading KMart the Nugs could keep him, get the injury trade exception (valued at 1/2 of KMart’s salary) and then package it in a big deal. But that means Stans and the Dreamers get off their asses and actually do something rather that pocketing the insurance like they did with KMart’s micro-fracture surgery.

But depending on the surgery and time out, I don’t know if the Nugs can get an injury TE.

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by the word on Jun 28, 2010 5:43 PM MDT reply actions  

My KMart Injury Exception Scenario goes like this

Get the Injury Trade Exception & Insurance for KMart based on injury and chronic history of long term injuries. That will mean KMart is out all next year. But I don’t care, he will be worthless AND unavailable next year. Take hime out of the equation. He has his money that was soooo important to him so he can shut up.

With the Injury TE, you can use 1/2 of KMart’s money($8.2m) and acquire a player.

The Rockets want to be FA players.

Make the following deal:

Luis Scola sign/trade – for Hunter’s TE
Jordan Hill for – the rights to Kleiza (yes you can trade the rights; refer to Axel Harvelle’s trade last offseason for a Euro contracted player getting while still overseas)
Sean Battier for KMart’s Injury TE
Trevor Ariza for JR.

The Nugs acquire 3proven players & a young big and cut $4mm from their cap. Houston cuts $12m from their cap, possibly more if they chose to buyout JR.

Another scenario is to take the $3.7TE & KMart and maybe a future 1st & trade to Memphis for Gasol & Randolph. It would cost Memphis Gasol but they’d be able to get Randolph off the books immediately (which they want to do). I’d be willing to take Randolph’s contract for 1 year for the chance to secure Gasol long term.

You can also trade Randolph’s expiring contract to get a player such as Lee in a package.

These deals also do not touch the MLE or Bi Annual Exception in case those need to be used.

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by the word on Jun 28, 2010 6:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Um, we can't do that

We can only do that if he’s out for the season, and he isn’t

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by LACK on Jun 28, 2010 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's not how it works... first of all Scola is getting a lot more than the 3.7 mil on the Hunter TPE...

second of all the injured player exemption works like the MLE, it’s not a trade exemption… it just allows you to go over the cap sign another player… but it only comes into play when a player misses an entire season (they won’t grant us one)… also KMart’s salary still goes on the books, so we’d have to pay for him (unless insurance covers it) and I doubt Stan would okay the FO to use the injury exemption b/c you still pay for the player…

also Memphis wouldn’t trade Randolph for KMart, let alone KMart and a first for randolph AND Gasol… also the Knicks won’t trade Lee for exprining contract b/c they’d be better of to not take back any salary!!!

by hvino on Jun 28, 2010 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

exactly

Can’t trade exceptions in combination with other players

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by Zachm219 on Jun 29, 2010 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

And

Even if you can trade a player’s rfa rights while they are under contract, which i don’t think you can (hervelle’s rights were rookie rights) Kleiza would not be able to come over and play with Houston unless he opts out of his contract with Olympiakos, which he is not going to do. Once the season begins in Europe he will be bound by his contract and would have to pay the penalties to terminate it early (similar to the Ricky Rubio situation)

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by Zachm219 on Jun 29, 2010 12:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

You can only trade the rights to a player who is drafted but never signs. Happened last year in Denver with Hervelle, and the Rockets traded for Scola and David Andersen in the same way. Kleiza is different because though because of his status as a restricted FA. He can sign offer sheets with other teams but in a trade they have to go through Denver and match salaries for whatever Kleiza gets paid. Only way for teh Nugs to trade him and he has to agree the deal first. A Jordan Hill for Kleiza swap is theoretically possible though, if all 3 parties agree to it

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by runningdonut on Jun 29, 2010 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Shit storm

I was worried about David Aldridge reporting that K-Mart may not play at all next year. Now I give it a more than 50% chance of being true. If he is able to play next year it’s probably only going to hurt his trade value.

The injury insurance doesn’t kick in until the player misses something like 40+ consecutive games. That’s why it’s so costly for the Nugs as it kicks Kenyon’s trade value down to near zero. I guess it’s a little bit clearer why it wasn’t reported that he needed surgery or if he really tore his patella tendon or not. This is the 4th or 5th major major knee surgery for Kenyon I wouldn’t be surprised if he collects the $16.5 million next year and decides to retire.

The Nuggets knew about this before anyone else. Considering Birdman had surgery too and Melo hasn’t signed an extension, HOW THE FUCK do you sit out the draft ????

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by runningdonut on Jun 28, 2010 6:35 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

How the fuck do sit back and not get some backups for our extremely injury prone bigs?

by Monkfish on Jun 28, 2010 7:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

to short arm stan we have those replacements

In Frenchie, Polar Bear & Karls Jr….. and we’ve still got JR WHO, I don’t if you’ve heard, has a lot of potential. So in all I feel pretty good about the future. (Someone should start a campaign to bring back Juwan Howard as he’s probably cheap enough now…)

by InboundingLobPass on Jun 29, 2010 3:41 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wooooooow.

Kmart recovering from surgery….Birdman recovering from surgery…Nene…did he have surgery too? Well then…

by GottaLoveMelo on Jun 29, 2010 7:35 AM MDT reply actions  

The Cripgets?

Nene did have a knee problem during the playoffs, but I dunno if he had surgery or not.

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by LACK on Jun 29, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was only a sprained knee. He's fine.

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.

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by Mini Hulk on Jun 29, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

i wonder if this is the real Steve Hess

http://twitter.com/stevehess1

i been following the past few days. haha

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jun 29, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Looks new

And it’s hilarious!

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.

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by Mini Hulk on Jun 29, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

These posts got me so exited

SteveHess1 Brazil u got u a beast nene is ready wow!!!
about 3 hours ago

SteveHess1 Birdman is on his way back aagggghhh yeah baby!!!
1 day ago

SteveHess1 Nene killed it 1 hr bike ride, 1.30 hr lift, karate, soccer, 258 lbs 8% body fat getting better every day love it!!!
5 days ago

by Monkfish on Jun 29, 2010 3:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Chauncey has one too

http://twitter.com/ChaunceyNugs1

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.

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by Mini Hulk on Jun 29, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

im a little more skeptical about that

hopefully if it really is chauncey, he gets it verified.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jun 29, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

what is the big deal

the next best power forward option on the nuggets is…..MELO. joey graham will see major minutes…..denver just has to sign him. without kmart petro should lock up a roster spot. would kleiza return to start at power forward?

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by nohoops4u on Jun 29, 2010 2:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Kmart Will be Traded at the Deadline

My guess is Kmart is traded at the deadline when some teams will have given up on the season and will be looking to unload contracts. The problem is the Nuggs could be really hurting at midseason with Kmart out, Bird hurting and Nene likely dealing with something, unless the acquire a solid big or two (or three) this summer.. All this leads to Melo considering a move to the Knicks next season. How about a 3-2 – - Nene and JR for Maxiel, Wilcox and Rip?

by ACEIII on Jun 29, 2010 7:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Fuck no

No way would I trade nene and jr for those three.

by Monkfish on Jun 29, 2010 7:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

No way

how about JR for Maxiell, then we sign Mike Miller with the MLE. Even if we don’t, SG is an easy position to fill.

by higgyhoops12 on Jun 29, 2010 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Austin Daye

has to be part of any Pistons deal, otherwise its not worth it

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by Zachm219 on Jun 30, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

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