Championship to Denver

give up Jefferson and the 4th pick and get back Okafor & JR.

That would be Minnesota giving up its best trading chips simply for the sake of helping other teams.

It’s a nice scenario; unfortunately the other teams aren’t going to throw it good players for the Nuggets for a bag full of basketballs and used socks.

The KMart going to New Orleans for a salary dump has some validity to it; and Al Jefferson will likely be traded; but not for another team’s rejects. At this point both JR & Okafor fall under the category of rejects. Okafor will be on his 3rd team in 3 years.

For the Nugs to get that many players back, they’d have to give legit value, not expiring contracts and bad citizens.

I don’t think KMart and JR = AL and West, however, and I only want to trade when its an obvious improvement to the team.
Dunno that West will ever be as good as he was several years ago. Big AL doesn’t necessarily have the defensive prowess KMart does (dunno that ANYONE does) but those are the two main going concerns for me. West can’t score like JR can and AL can’t defend like KMart. Of course whenever you alter the players on any team the chemistry changes and the fundamentals team is capable of change as well. If we became a team that would reliably rebound the ball on defense and make an improvement on offensive rebounds we’d not need to be the best defensive team in the league, merely a reliable one. We find ourselves now a team that has trouble rebounding sometimes and thus we’re forced to defend even more efficiently to succeed. Its like a balance that has to reach equilibrium and I sure hope the FO is considering all the angles in any large trade scenarios proposed.

Jefferson is a legit 20/10 guy, there’s not a lot of those in the league. Minnesota’s 2010 salary is currently $35m which is way under the cap limit so they aren’t doing a cap dump.

Looking at it on Minnesota’s side who on the Nugs would they want. They would want legit talent coming back:
KMart – is a salary dump, for a building team he serves no value.
Nene – is a possibility but the Wolves decided Love & AJ can’t play together, would Love & Nene be any better.
Lawson – is a good young PG but the Wolves already have good young PG better than Lawson
Mele – no stinking way that’d happen plus the Wolves know it would be futile because Melo wouldn’t stay
AAA – nice young player but he’d have to be part of a larger package.
Billups- too old, would make no sense.
The rest of the roster are throw aways & add-ons to a deal.

it highly favors the nuggets, but we’ve seen more lopsided trades than this go down

that’s something I could see happening. It’s a risk b/c our defense would regress, but gives us more youth and a legit scoring big as a 2nd option

Then yeah Id do that trade. If he gets points like that then we wouldnt need a guy like west quite as much. Chauncey would still be carrying alot of scoring responsibilities though.

What do you think about Gary Payton Anyone know what hes up to these days? would he make a good defense coach

Karl thought highly enough of Payton to trade a youn Ray Allen to bring a running out of gas Payton to the Bucks.

But this isn’t coach/player this would be coach/coach under the pretext that Karl needs help on defense… I don’t know how well that would sell. Plus don’t know if Payton knows a clue about coaching… some can, some can’t

So how about -

Det sends Rip hamilton or Ben Gordan. Det rec Nene
Den sends Nene. Den rec Al Jefferson
Min sends Al jefferson. Min rec Hamilton/Gordan

Any of those salaries match and every team is happy. Minny gets a legit scorer at a position they are weak on gives them oppurtunity to build around cousins/ love in front with Rip or ben and flynn/ rubio. pretty good team for them

We get what we need and detroit gets A athletic big who can work well in their system. They would be a good team to take nene as they dont really need both rip and ben and they are weak in frontcourt but any team could be involved to pursuede minny to give us al. Maybe philly would want nene and send iggy? do a trade like that pre season then maybe trade kmart seperately at the deadline for something like West and posey.

Instead of a push to the title there’ll be the year long drama about Karl’s health and whether he can handle an entire season.

I’m sorry, we’re not talking about Jerry Sloan (20+years with the same team) or Phil Jackson (delivering multiple rings to a team) or even Doug Moe (greatest Nuggets coach).

It’s George Karl. He’s coached the Nugs for a handful of years, only one of those years was not a disappointment. His greatest success has been coaching other teams. He’s coached 5 teams over 20 years won nearly 1000 games, never won a title and been fired four times. Most of these items of note did not occur in Denver.

I want nothing but the best of health for Karl and I was one of the 12 true Cleveland Cav fans back in the 80’s when Karl was their coach; but the success of the 2011 Nuggets should not be tied to him… it’s not fair to the fans nor to the players. Karl has done nothing to earn the “holier than thou” treatment by ownership. It’s an easy out to “do nothing” by ownership.