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Would you still rather have LeBron James?

 

Ever since the draft lottery handed us the 3rd overall pick instead of the 1st, Nuggets fans (myself included) have wondered what might have been if those ping pong balls had bounced differently and Denver got the Golden Ticket that was LeBron James.  Not that we we weren't thrilled to death to get a franchise player in Carmelo Anthony or, thanks to Joe Dumars, avoid the drafting of Skita 2.0 in the person of Darko Milicic (whom the Nuggets absolutely would have taken had he been available, and which may well have killed basketball forever in the Mile High), but watching him rack up MVP awards, deep playoff runs and even a Finals appearance during his stint with Cleveland, who could blame us for having the occasional LBJ daydream?

But for all that, I've never quite shaken the feeling that, all things considered, Denver got the better deal with Carmelo.  And after last night, I'm absolutely certain. 

Now, in terms of straight-up basketball ability, the argument can still be made that LeBron > Carmelo.  I personally think Melo's the superior shooter, and that as a result, his game will age better and make for the longer, more productive career.  But that's not the point I'm here to make. 

What I'm saying is this:  as a package, I can honestly say that as of this morning, I feel nothing but relief that LeBron James did not become a Denver Nugget. 

Think about it - when Cleveland landed the "King,"  they didn't just get a basketball player.  They got LeBron Inc. - the brand, the celebrity, the wannabe businessman and erstwhile coach.  Between Nike and the media at large, they got a 24/7 hype machine that would make Tiger Woods blush.  They got the astronomical pressures/expecations that come with having a player lauded as nothing less than the second coming of Michael Jordan & Magic Johnson.  And for the last two seasons, the organization and their fans have had to watch LeBron blow kisses to suitors in New York, New Jersey and Chicago as he teases and toys with them over the prospect of his looming free agency, a display that has to rank among the most shameful I've seen in professional sports. 

With Melo, meanwhile, we pretty much just got a great basketball player.  It's funny to think of Melo as a blue-collar timecard puncher, but compared to LeBron, that's exactly what he's been.  He's had his issues on the court and off, but by and large, the guy shows up, plays his ass off, and treats both fans and the team with the respect they deserve.

Melo might not stay with the Nuggets.  He might opt out in the final year, and if he does, it'll hurt.  But every day I thank the basketball gods that he's never held the Nuggets (or the city of Denver) hostage the way LeBron has the Cavs and Cleveland.  Never rubbed our faces in the fact that he may not be a Nugget for life.  Doesn't constantly preen and pose and talk himself up despite having never won anything bigger than a high school championship.  And whatever's Melo's faults, I've never seen him mail it in during a big game the way LeBron did last night (or act like it was no big deal after the fact). 

So I ask you, Nuggets Nation:  is there anyone who still wishes we'd landed LeBron all those years ago?  Anyone who thinks we wouldn't be in the exact same position Cleveland's in now, with their franchise player one foot out the door and looking like he could he give a shit in a playoff series they were supposed to dominate, in a year they were the prohibitive favorites to win it all?  Because as a fan, painful though our first round elimination was, you couldn't pay me to trade it for what Cavs fans are going through. 

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i wonder

if any of the current ELITE SFs will ever win a championship?

melo, lebron, durant…

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on May 12, 2010 10:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

Not sure I really consider LeBron a SF in the same vein as Melo & Durant though. To me, he’s a PG/SG hybrid w/SF size

by CraftyB on May 12, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

im sure durant will beat them

and im not even sure any of the 3 above will ever win a ship while in their prime.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on May 12, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Master of the obvious

sorry i had to.

This is not the NBA of yesteryear that showcased dominant big men like David Robinson, Hakeem, Dikembe Mutombo, Patrick Ewing, Shaq. Dwight’s pretty much the only true dominant center (Pau Gasol?) in the league and the Magic have done very well putting talent around him.

by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on May 12, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pau Gasol is nowhere near a dominant center

skilled? yes. dominant? no. no. no. not even close.

by Marty Mart on May 13, 2010 12:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

well, not *that* obvious

He ain’t won anything yet, so it’s still guesswork.

But yes, he is the lone dominant center in the league at this point.

by ParkHillNative on May 14, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

The better question is how many championships those three will win.

I’m guessing somewhere between 5 and 10.

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by Uh on May 12, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by chantech on May 12, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Spot-on observaton by your pops

With LeBron, everything is always about LeBron – the image, the brand, the “legend.”

by CraftyB on May 12, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Nuggets were one foot out of bounds and a George Karl presence away from winning that series.

rec’d

by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on May 12, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

and the refs nearly fully in the tank for the Jazz?

plus a few plays away from a sweep of the Lakers last year in the WCF. But at some point it is not about playing even and missing those opportunities, it is about having the discipline to convert the break away dunk rather than passing back to Ty earlier in the game ..cou(kmart)gh…or recognizing that the other team has 2 options (drive lane…if that doesn’t work pass to Booz at free throw line) and jumping the passes cou(lakers did that)gh…et cetera.

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by DjSarcazm on May 12, 2010 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hell No

As stated in the other thread.

Lebron is the biggest cry baby around. He whines and cries and shows horrible sportsmanship and still gets his way. Way to show little kids how it’s done! Fuck Lebron. I hate him more than I hate Kobe.

It would be interesting to break down how many times Lebro/Melo/Kobe/Durant/Howard touch the ball per game and the outcome of points/assists etc. I bet Lebron’s points per touch and assist are lower than Durants and Melo’s

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by RPN on May 12, 2010 11:16 AM MDT reply actions  

I tried to make this point earlier.

Lebron is a nice passer but he’s not a playmaker of a superior passer. He has the ball so much and everything revolves around him so much that he’s bound to get assists. Same thing with Dwade.

by GottaLoveMelo on May 13, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

me too

I was shouted down by people saying “He’s the best., Why don’t you want the best?”

Personal stats < Team winning a ring

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by Joelsopinion on May 13, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

if it was easier to build around Lebron it would have been done by now

just sayin’

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by jpage78 on May 12, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

They are SERIOUSLY trying tho...

Mo Williams…stealing Antawn Jamison…Shaq.

Just like the Mavs with Dirk. Trying diligently.

by GottaLoveMelo on May 13, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mo Williams is overrated in the Playoffs

What has he done? Nothing.

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by Mini Hulk on May 13, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed. Im not a Mo Williams Advocate.

my point was just that they are trying to build around lebron. should be easy.

by GottaLoveMelo on May 13, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

The AI project

They tried building around Melo with Camby, KMart, AI etc… and it exploded. They simply didn’t think about chemistry and influence before pulling the trigger on that deal.

So now where in the 2nd phase of building around Melo. Let’s hope that the FO learned the 1st time around.

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by Joelsopinion on May 13, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

Melo was drafted 6/26/03
K-Mart came over from NJ 7/15/04

Melo was here for a year before K-Mart. So like I said they built around Melo. Camby was here before Melo though, but I’m sure he was part of the “Stink it up for 82” campaign that landed us Melo.

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by Joelsopinion on May 18, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holy cow

it’s crazy to think Melo has been here for 7 years

by higgyhoops12 on May 23, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

i choose melo over lebron

however, i would build around melo with a legit BIG. unfortunately, we’re no in a situation where we can do that. IMO, if we get rid of JR and then lose kmart by the deadline, were in a position where melo can lead this team on his own. sorry chauncey, but youre a “disposable superstar,” and id jump at a chance to trade u for a good big.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on May 12, 2010 11:28 AM MDT reply actions  

ICE COLD!!!

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by Joelsopinion on May 13, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

great post

I would take melo over lebron in a heartbeat. For most of that reasoning that has been stated. I cant stand Lebrons prima donna attitude, or his clowning when everything is good, and frowning when its bad. Man up and play. And his attitude and effort last night was eerily like JR’s in game 6 against Utah. So even with lebron supposedly the greater player, I would still take melo.

That aside, I still feel melo is on lebrons level as far as ability, and in the long run will have the greater career. Melo can post up, as well as hit the jumpers at a good clip. Lebron only has his freakish size/speed combo. So what happens when he starts to lose that step? and he is only a big body? is he going to learn to be a more consistent shooter? probally not. I wouldnt trade melo for the world, well maybe the world, but nothing less..lol. Lets go nuggs.

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by akdenver on May 12, 2010 12:34 PM MDT reply actions  

I would chose Melo...

If Kroenke and our FO spent as much as the Cavs FO, we Melo would’ve had his big man by now… I think if you get Melo and Bosh, thats a high chance for the chip , cuz history shows you need at least 2 legit all stars (chauncey was, but has gotten rather old)…

by hvino on May 12, 2010 1:21 PM MDT reply actions  

im shocked, SHOCKED, that this website is full of homers

put the question “who do you take, lebron or melo?” to a national audience of basketball fans and i bet that goes 80/20 for lebron…if not higher. give any GM the chance right now to take lebron or melo and i bet 30 out of 30 GMs take bron (that includes wark). yet on denver stiffs, melo wins in a landslide. boy oh boy, i do love my fellow stiffs.

im not sure if this question implies whos the better player, or who do you want on your team? obviously, who you want on your team is a matter of personal opinion. but you gotta be KA-RAY-ZEE to objectively say carmelo anthony is a better player than lebron james.

surely, that last sentence will go over well…LET MY CRUCIFIXION BEGIN!!!!

by calvin brodus on May 12, 2010 2:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Did you actually read the post?

I stated definitively it’s not about who’s the better player. But nice try anyway…

by CraftyB on May 12, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

crafty, did you read my post?

i stated that i couldnt figure out WTF your question was asking.

 “is there anyone who still wishes we’d landed LeBron all those years ago?”

does that question involve a god damn hot tub time machine? are you asking if i would prefer lebron or melo as a nugget? or are you asking who is the better player?

either way my answer remains the same. lebron is a better player and would make the nuggs a better team than melo. you dont think there is a possibility the WCF could have ended differently if we had bron instead of melo? wrap your mind around that “what if”.

and that “nice try anyway” shit is straight lame.

by calvin brodus on May 12, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Try again snoop

Paragraphs 3 & 4 – what part of that is unclear? But since reading comprehension is apparently not your strong suit, I’ll spell it out: THE POST IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER LEBRON IS A BETTER PLAYER THAN MELO. IT’S ABOUT NOT WANTING HIM ON MY TEAM AS A FAN BECAUSE OF THE WAY HE’S TREATED CLEVELAND AND ALL THE EXTRA CRAP HE BRINGS WITH HIM.

by CraftyB on May 12, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

craftyB(otch)...your caps lock is on.

you don’t want bron because of the way he’s treated cleveland? so CLE is going to be fucking stoked if he bolts for NY right? they can’t wait to get rid of bron in CLE right? get the fuck outta here. brons better than melo. and I don’t know how that fits with your cryptic question, but that’s the answer.

by calvin brodus on May 12, 2010 3:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

No, it's not the answer.

His question was as Nuggets fans, does anyone still wish the Nuggets had landed Lebron instead of Melo.

“brons better than melo” is not the answer.

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by Uh on May 12, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

we must run our HR departments different.

i want the best player possible on the nuggs. in this case, thats bron over melo. whether that’s on draft day, ground hogs day, or right now. bron would make the nuggs better than melo does.

by calvin brodus on May 12, 2010 3:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

For some people, it's about having a team that's rootable

And I know many people that would not enjoy rooting for Lebron if he came over to their teams…better player and all. Others just want teams that put up a high number in the win column. So yes, people do run their “HR departments” different.

by 'Antoine on May 12, 2010 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ugh, I am glad I can maintain an objective perspective on this issue

Being that I am an NBA fan just as much as I am a Nuggets fan it’s easy to answer this question. If you are looking for less attention, hype, media and success surrounding your franchise then sure, we won by not landing Lebron. But screw that. I want 24/7 coverage of my favorite team on ESPN all day. I would worship the attention, the finals appearance, the legendary night after night performances that belong to YOUR team. It’s kind of pathetic that Lebron lays one egg during his career and suddenly people prey on it like vultures on a carcase. But that’s not even the biggest problem with this post, or the sheep-like responses. Have you already forgotten what happened to us this playoff series while Melo was the “leader” of the team? Have you forgotten our previous playoff efforts the last 6 years where we have had our leader admit to quitting and some nights looking like he just plain doesn’t care? Guys, if it weren’t for last years magical run upon the arrival of Chauncey, I would think you are all completely crazy. Look, I love Melo and the Nuggets, but you guys are once again blinded by your homerism. Melo has been in as much trouble as anybody while he’s been in the league and has drawn attention to that quite a bit. I would perfer attention because of great play rather than troublemaking but that’s just me. There is a reason Lebron has hype around him, because he’s a fucking great basketball player. It’s not his fault. And if Lebron leaves then so what? I would get the fuck up out of Cleveland if I was him too. Danny Ferrey is a moron and knows nothing about how to build a basketball team compared to Wark who would have assembled a hell of a lot better team around Lebron if he were in Denver, in which case we probably wouldn’t have to worry about him leaving. I’m sorry for disagreeing with you guys so harshly on this issue, but plain and simple Lebron is worth every bit of media baggage that comes with him, and that’s not even disputable.

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by GoldenNugget on May 12, 2010 2:43 PM MDT reply actions  

If he'd was winning titles left & right, I'd agree he's worth the baggage

But the fact remains he’s got the same number of championship rings as Melo: ZERO. As a fan, why should I put up with all his primadonna bs just to win zero titles?

And why is it never LeBron’s fault? That Cavs squad is loaded, and if they go down in flames again, how can you say James isn’t a part of that?

by CraftyB on May 12, 2010 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

That Cavs squad is loaded

WHAT?!

No, the Celtics squad is loaded, the Lakers squad is loaded, the Magic squad is loaded. No way Anderson Varejao, Mo Williams, and (over the hill) Shaq considered talent on the same level as KG, Paul Pierce, Rondo, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Vince Carter, Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson. (yes Jameer Nelson is better than Mo Williams)

by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on May 12, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Loaded enough to cruise to the best regular season record - and most of that was before they added Jameson

I’m not saying it’s the greatest team ever assembled or anything, but championships have definitely been won with less. If LeBron’s as great as everyone says, it really should be enough.

by CraftyB on May 12, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Cavs are built for the regular season, one game at a time, half the time playing crappy teams who have no chance. It’s easy to rack up regualar season wins, but come playoff time you need the best players possible on your team because you simply can’t do it alone with the type of defense you will see.

"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"

"I'm kinda grumpy today, dude. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I was having those dreams again. Ya know, how it's just me in a castle and I gotta fight, like, a thousand wizards and the only way to beat them is to punch them as hard as I can in their faces. Then, when I'm done, all their little wizard wives came out and wanted me to have sex with them - which is kinda weird."

by GoldenNugget on May 12, 2010 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Celtics players:

Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins, Nate Robinson, Michael Finley, Rasheed Wallace, Glen Davis, Shelden Williams, Tony Allen, Marquis Allen.

Their starting rotation is loaded (kind of. even that’s questionable). That’s about it.

The Celtics are not loaded just because they have Rondo, a slam dunk champion, and five guys who would have been All-Stars four years ago.

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by Uh on May 12, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well every year Labron's supporting cast isn't as good

as Boston’s, Orlando’s, San Antonio’s. This year’s version is probably better than previous years with Jameson and Shaq. But Anthony Parker? Delonte West? sorry I’m not impressed. I’d take Nate Robinson and Tony Allen over those guys.

by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on May 12, 2010 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed Parker is pretty good

West is kind of average, but they need him on that team for whatever reason.

On the other hand, I’m not impressed with Nate Robinson or Tony Allen either. Well Tony Allen doesn’t suck, but Nate Robinson does, so whatever.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's got guns

everybody needs protection in the form of a mentally tilted loose cannon that thinks he’s Antonio Banderas circa 1993.

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by Joelsopinion on May 13, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Every fucking year after Lebron's team gets in trouble they say that...

About how Lebron’s supporting cast is terrible. But this year, all the experts were even saying that the rest of Lebron’s team was the best it had ever been and was loaded deep with weapons to respond to anything. I won’t even be laughing if they say that again this year when Lebron loses, it’s ridiculous.

by 'Antoine on May 12, 2010 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

They'll blame the elbow

Remember last season after an earlier than expected exit, he vanished and then blamed the surgery on his jaw.

maybe he has really poor timing for injuries that require surgery. Maybe he has a rolodex of excuses.

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by Joelsopinion on May 13, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

And Melo doesn't bring along "primmadonna bs"?

I’m sorry, just because Melo appears to be more gangsta than LeBron doesn’t mean he’s any less primmadonna. The guy is constatly worried about his image, complaining to the refs when he doesn’t get the call even though he is always top 5 in ft attempts, etc. Melo brings just as much baggage to our team as LeBron does any day. And like I said with Lebron it’s not neccessarily bad baggage, wher as Melo it mostly has been throughout his career.

Also, Cavs squad loaded? What? Lebron was the only dude from his team that made the All-Star game this year and the only one besides Shaq that’s going to do to teh Hall. Compare that to teams like Orlando, Boston, L.A. and Phoenix. Not even close.

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by GoldenNugget on May 12, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Doesn’t complaining to the refs…damage your image? And you’re saying he’s doing that to help his image??

by 'Antoine on May 12, 2010 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm saying that falls under the catagory of being a primmadonna, just like complaining to the refs

You can be worried about your image and still complain to the refs though.

"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"

"I'm kinda grumpy today, dude. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I was having those dreams again. Ya know, how it's just me in a castle and I gotta fight, like, a thousand wizards and the only way to beat them is to punch them as hard as I can in their faces. Then, when I'm done, all their little wizard wives came out and wanted me to have sex with them - which is kinda weird."

by GoldenNugget on May 12, 2010 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes but...

Complaining to refs in no way means that you’re trying to help your public image. It doesn’t help that the only point you offer to say that Melo is concerned about his image is that he complains to refs about calls. So any other examples to offer on how Melo is trying to help his image?

by 'Antoine on May 12, 2010 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Petty argument here

But come on, really? You don’t think Melo is worried about his image just as much as the next guy? The thing with Melo is his image has always been that of the gangsta persona, the hard dude from the rough parts of the inner city, the tough guy who hits dudes then backs away, the stop snitching crap. Lebron and Melo are both equally concerned with thier image, except in different ways. I think Melo has definatly tried to repaire his image somwhat but that would mean he’s still concerned with it.

"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"

"I'm kinda grumpy today, dude. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I was having those dreams again. Ya know, how it's just me in a castle and I gotta fight, like, a thousand wizards and the only way to beat them is to punch them as hard as I can in their faces. Then, when I'm done, all their little wizard wives came out and wanted me to have sex with them - which is kinda weird."

by GoldenNugget on May 13, 2010 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

This one time he punched a guy and backpedaled all the way down the court

Pretty bad way of promulgating a “gangsta persona.”

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

So when they had the best record in the league it was all LeBron

But now that the ship is sinking it’s everyone else’s fault? Cmon man.

As for the primadonna thing, I’m not saying Melo’s a choirboy. He does bitch to the refs too much, and as I noted in the post, he’s had his share of issues on and off the court. But when I look at Melo, I don’t see a guy who needs to be the constant center of attention. I don’t see the chalk-throwing and the pantomiming and the relentless self-promotion. And most of all, I don’t see a guy playing free-agent footsie with every under-the-cap team in the league two full years before his contract his up. That’s just not cool in my book, and I’m guessing most Cavs fans would agree.

by CraftyB on May 12, 2010 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can agree with you about the attention thing, but to an extent

The thing you still have to remember is that most of the attention Lebron gets isn’t his fualt, it’s the media’s.

"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"

"I'm kinda grumpy today, dude. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I was having those dreams again. Ya know, how it's just me in a castle and I gotta fight, like, a thousand wizards and the only way to beat them is to punch them as hard as I can in their faces. Then, when I'm done, all their little wizard wives came out and wanted me to have sex with them - which is kinda weird."

by GoldenNugget on May 12, 2010 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let me just state this

This cannot be blamed on the Cavs GM or owners. They have cowtowed to Lebron to the point where it’s ridiculous. That cannot be said for Denver and Melo. In fact…Wark’s legacy so far is a bad trade FOR Iverson (done for PR purposes) Getting rid of Camby and getting nothing in return. A brilliant trade for Chauncey…overpaying for Birdman….strange loyalty to JR…and failing to sign a legit center. So where’s the guarantee that Wark or Chapman would assemble a better team for Lebron?

Warkentien won executive of the year for ONE trade. The Chauncey deal. He deserves kudos for that trade but very little more. I’m sick of this assumption that what everyone else has is better than what we have here. If it’s not LeBron is Durant….if it’s not Durant it’s Howard….if it’s not Howard it’s Wade. So fine. Lets see the Nuggets try to go get those guys, go ahead. Lets appreciate what we have for a change

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by jpage78 on May 12, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Believe me, I greatly appreciate what we have

People know here I am a Nugs fan to the death. But there’s a difference in being realistic and being blinded by you homerism. I am not gonna lie, I would take Wade, Durant and Dwight over Melo. Is there a problem with that? I follow the game of basketball very closely and have learned that 1st Team All-NBA players are a special breed. They are Finals MVPs who average over a block a game at 6’4, they are two-time defensive player of the year guys who are the youngest ever to a certain amount of blocks and rebounds, they are guys who are the youngest players ever to lead the league in scoring. I love Melo, don’t accuse me of not appreciating him for all that he is, because I do, but right now scoring 30ppg every night is not as valuable as other things. That’s just me, that’s just my opinion. I hate that I have to feel like I need to lie on my own team’s blog, because I admit to thinking other players are better than some from our own team, but I’m going to continue to defend what’s right and if that means being criticized by fellow fans then so be it.

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by GoldenNugget on May 12, 2010 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

You act like this fanpost is a personal attack on you

It’s really not. You’re welcome to your opinion, I just happen to disagree.

by CraftyB on May 12, 2010 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

No fanhood questioning at all

I’ve just reached the point where this silly “what everyone else has out there is better” mentality….you can have a great scorer and occasional rebounder like Melo on your team and still win a championship. We just need to follow the Celtics/Spurs model. The rule of 3.

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by jpage78 on May 13, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good point about Howard and Durant

Wade and Kobe are too old and injury prone at this point.
Only Howard or Durant would make our team better if it was a straight up deal for Melo.
Otherwise the Nuggets would be the same team or worse.
It is good to see how when someone claims LeBron is not as good as we think he is that people get defensive.
He is a polarizing figure. If he were like Abdul Jabar or Magic then I don’t think there would be any major haters. I never claim Kobe is not as great as people say he is. I am not a homer bc I hate Kobe but respect his game.
It is with the media I have beef. LeBron is an amazing talent, he just doesn’t have that will to win or killer instinct like the great players have. LeBron as a person must be a great guy, he allowed his friends from growing up who aren’t rich Jewish CPAs to manage his money.
I think at least a year in college would have helped him though. He can be like JR sometimes and gives up. It is probably bc he is an emotional guy. Sometimes a year with a college team and coach can be a humbiling experience.
Kobe is an exception bc he was raised in Europe. KG is also really intense, that is why college may not be a bad thing at least for NBA player development

by JR15 on May 12, 2010 10:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wade isn't old

He’s only 28 and, unlike LeBron or Carmelo, has a pretty ring on his finger.

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by Mini Hulk on May 12, 2010 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you really think Wade will age well?

The way he plays he will be done in 3 more yrs. Slightly joking, but kinda serious.
He is still a great player though. No hate for DWade.

by JR15 on May 13, 2010 7:47 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I do think he won't age as well as Melo or Lebron

Melo because his game isn’t based around speed and athleticism the way Wade’s is, and Lebron because he’s just a freak.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, as for Wark

I compared him to Danny Ferrey whom many around the league believe to be a terrible GM. Just ask yourself what you would rather have, the reigning Exec of the Year or Danny Ferrey? It doesn’t matter what moves you think Wark intentionally made out of knowledge or just pure luck, that’s the business in which he’s in and he has played the cards damn well so far to put us in position to challenge for a title. Yeah he made the A.I. move, but at the time that was considered an extremely savvy trade, and A.I. didn’t have the perception of a team-killer that he does now. But even more than that, with what you would call a “bad move” by acuiring A.I., he made an even better one by recognizing how A.I. didn’t fit and shipping him off for a guy with the character and resume Chauncey has for cheap. That’s an Exec of the Year mentality and doesn’t come along that often. Ferrey is just another former player turned Exec who won’t cut it. He’s had one of the best players this game has ever seen on his roster for 7 years now and the best player up till a couple months ago he ever had to play with was Mo freakin Williams. Give me a break.

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by GoldenNugget on May 12, 2010 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

you are completely missing the point of my reply GN

I’m saying that every player that Ferrey brought in has been at Lebron’s behest. This is a Magic Johnson/Paul Westhead situation. You have one player controlling the whole organization. I can tell you, with some confidence, that it would be the SAME exact scenario here. As long as Lebron doesn’t let executives and coaches DO THEIR JOBS he won’t succeed.

Mike Brown is a sad puppet of Lebron James. How can you not see this? Also, Danny Ferrey is just doing exactly what Lebron wants him to do. Since when has the Nugget organization done ANYTHING at the behest of Melo? I can think of one instance.You can think that Warkentien is the greatest executive in the world, but when it comes to Lebron….everything is thrown out the window. You are sadly mistaken. Until Lebron lets people do their jobs (which has never happened in Cleveland) then he won’t win a title.

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by jpage78 on May 13, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Meant to say I "can't" think of one instance where the team has done anything at the behest of Melo

Writing fail….my bad

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by jpage78 on May 13, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why not Darko?

At least his $7.5 mil salary is coming off of Minnesota’s payroll this summer.

by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on May 12, 2010 2:58 PM MDT reply actions  

If Lebron were a Nugget

I’m willing to bet we’d all be his biggest fans. He is a bad sport and whiny, but hey, we still love Melo and he spends half his time on the court whining to the refs.

Is Lebron the much, much better player and leader? Yeah, probably. He’ll go down in history alongside names like MJ, Magic, Bird, Oscar Robertson etc etc etc. As sure a hall of famer as there ever was, probably with 6 or 7 MVPs to match. Melo, if he’s lucky, might one day finish in the Top 3 of MVP voting. Maybe HOF material. Maybe.

But do I wish we’d drafted Lebron all those years ago? Nah. I’m perfectly fine with how Carmelo has turned out. He’s an amazing scorer, he’s an exciting player to watch, he’s just what we thought we were getting when he was drafted. Well, maybe he’s fallen a little short of expectations, but he does continue to improve (and mature) every year.

And without Melo…well, this would be an entirely different team. It would be weird. These Nuggets, the current ones, may be maddeningly inconsistent, but they’re a ton of fun to watch and follow.

So, short answer: No. I don’t wish we had landed Lebron way back when.

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by Uh on May 12, 2010 3:13 PM MDT reply actions  

This is pretty accurate..

And echoes my feelings.

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by chantech on May 12, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would agree with you if I was always a Nuggets fan.

But every since I first saw carmelo play on TV in high school I was a fan of his and would have liked whatever team he went to. As far as Lebron…I never like the hype he got…then I like him because he lived up to the hype…and now I cant stand him.

by GottaLoveMelo on May 13, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

That being said, I'm surprised at the reaction to Lebron's terrible performance in Game 5

Yeah, it was really bad, but what’s with everyone immediately saying he doesn’t have the heart to win or that he doesn’t care the way Kobe and MJ did? He’s been solid in the other 9 playoff games. Tough loss, but all it takes is a Cavs win in Boston (and the C’s aren’t even a great home team) and all these questions will look silly.

But then again Lebron’s a cocky bastard. What the hell does “3 bad games in 7 years” mean? I don’t know. On the one hand I feel a tiny bit bad for him, but on the other hand he makes millions of dollars, calls himself “King,” and says he’s played 3 bad games in his career.

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by Uh on May 12, 2010 3:22 PM MDT reply actions  

It's not only that he played bad

but the “effort” wasn’t there. There’s one thing you can say about Melo is even when he’s fucking up he’s at least trying. Last night there was NO effort for Lebron. Game 6 of the Utah/Denver series Melo shot like crap…but he still grabbed 13 rebounds and 5 assists (should have been more) and he at least played like he cared.

Lebron didnt

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by jpage78 on May 12, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

exactly.

I believe its coming in that not only did he play like garbage. He looked like garbage. Played like he didnt care then acted like he didnt give a shit afterwards and made those dumbass comments like Uh was sayin, that “3 bad games in 7 years” bullshit. That attitude and that game ON TOP OF the free agency bullshit is why this is such a big deal.

by GottaLoveMelo on May 13, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Are we forgetting about the elbow?

according to fearthesword.com Labron’s elbow may be injured more than reports indicate

by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on May 12, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

What?

I wasn’t talking about the elbow.

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by Uh on May 12, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

you said you were surprised at the reaction to Lebron's poor performance.

I posted the link stating that there may be more to the elbow injury thus explaining the poor performance.

by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on May 12, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I said I was surprised at the reaction of the media to Lebron's poor perfomance, yes.

And he did have a poor performance…um.
Not exactly what I was getting at but ok thanks for the link anyways. I’m sure his elbow is bothering him, and it’d be a shame if it turns into something serious.

Then again, steve nash recently played (and won) with a swollen, bruised eye

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by Uh on May 12, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah didn't LeBron have a bad elbow in game 3

And still do well. Not an excuse for h. He doesn’t use it, so the media shouldn’t either

by JR15 on May 12, 2010 5:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

What were you expecting from the Media?

They like f*cking everybody’s sh*t up. That’s what they do. The Media labeled LeBron as “King James” the second he came into the NBA. They didn’t label Dwayne Wade. They didn’t label Carmelo Anthony. He’s held to higher expectations hthen anybody else, so when he doesn’t get the job done, it’s automatically a disappointment.

Like what jpage78 said, LeBron didn’t look like he tried. He just stood there, taking pointless jumpshots that weren’t even close to going in. He didn’t try to get to the basket. His teammates didn’t help out either, but they’re not “accountable” (I beg to differ) for the horriffic loss. It goes on LeBron. Basically, he gave us the “I don’t give a damn” feeling.

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by Mini Hulk on May 12, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

But I didn’t expect people to just stop respecting him as a great player…columns that question his “drive” and talk about how his legacy will never be as great as MJ or Kobe…no, I honestly didn’t expect that.

One game.

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by Uh on May 12, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, for people to stop respecting him is 100% f*cked up

He has one bad game and people have to chew him out. He shouldn’t be compared to Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant because that adds fuel to the fire. It’s unfair and I’m sure it’s unwanted pressure. He’s trying to live up to the standards and he’s just not quite there yet.

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by Mini Hulk on May 12, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cleveland fans booing him

Is classless I know he is flirting with them and NY, but still he put in all that har work for you.
I hope we never boo Melo bc that would be sad.

by JR15 on May 12, 2010 5:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

The way Carmelo plays

I get pissed when he f*cks up, but I’d never boo him out of the building like Cavs fans did to LeBron.

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by Mini Hulk on May 12, 2010 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

The comparisons are Unwanted?

Please! I didn’t see anybody force him into a chair to get his “CHOSEN ONE” tattoo. I’m sure his agent before he played ball in Akron absolutely forced a number 23 upon him. LBJ adores all of the attention and lives for the day he and MJ will be mentioned as equals…it’s never gonna happen though. He’s a media whore of the worst kind…The Kanye of the NBA…always in big brother’s shadow.

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by Joelsopinion on May 13, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

CraftyB

You spoke my mind. I would never have cared about this Cavs-Celts series except I love to see upsets.
I don’t think anyone the Celts a chance this series. All I thought is LeBron is the star player and the Cs know how to play against him.
If the Nuggets had James, we would win the regular season and be projected to win the championship then lose inthe playoffs and pray LeBron stays in town but know he will bolt for NY for his marketing image.
I think it is worse to lose when you are favored as heavily as Cleveland is. Glad to have Melo!

by JR15 on May 12, 2010 5:36 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed w/ this

Melo as a person is just so much more likable than Lebron…

by 'Antoine on May 12, 2010 5:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Rec

Carmelo 4 lyfe :)

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on May 12, 2010 9:47 PM MDT reply actions  

If Denver had landed that #1 pick and if LeBron were a Nugget...

.. we would be Cavs fans now… and I BET EVERYTHIN I GOT we would never ever wonder, “what if Melo was a Nugget?”

by SnakefromHell on May 13, 2010 9:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Simply because LeBron >>>>> Melo

That was probably the only game EVER I saw LeBron being pathetic…

In comparison, in every 10 regular season game, you will see Melo playing like that, no defense, playing as if he still wore his pyjamas, “I still wannna sleeeppppp”, whining to refs while his man runs back for easy bucket… Remember last year in WCF Game 6 against Lakers? Remember the previous year when we were swept in the first round?

For every game LeBron shows up like this, Melo has about 200 of them.

Not hating Melo, just being real here who’s CLEARLY the better player, with MORE heart.

by SnakefromHell on May 13, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I also bet...

Cavs fans (since drafting LeBron) have never EVER wondered “what if Melo was a Cav?” Because that thought is unappealing.

It’s like owning a Mercedes and you think “what if I had a Toyota?” It’s like having Beyonce as your girlfriend but wonder, “what if I had Kelly Rowland as my girlfriend?”

It doesn’t make sense.

Because LeBron is clearly the better player. I am not afraid of saying this because I know who I am, a Nugget fan, not a Carmelo fan. I could care less if LeBron made Denver crazier than New York… I would settle with a much better player.

Still, reality is Melo is the Nugget, not LeBron. I appreciate what Melo has done for Nuggets, but that doesn’t mean I need to be homer when it comes to some pretty damn basic logical things.

by SnakefromHell on May 13, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Frankly, whining to the refs would have qualified as a sign of life from LeBron in game 5

And as I said in both the main post and numerous times below, I am not saying Carmelo is a better player than LeBron. I’m saying, as a fan, there’s a lot of shit that comes with LeBron that I find enormously unappealing, and that for all his hype, he’s delivered exactly as many NBA titles to Cleveland as Carmelo has to Denver.

You obviously don’t agree, and that’s fine. But don’t act like yours is the only valid viewpoint, or that having it somehow makes you more “real.” It’s not, and it doesn’t.

by CraftyB on May 13, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only problem I have with your point is...

… you said LeBron comes with the excess baggage.

Cmon now, you’re not comparing him to Kobe, the hardest working player Arron Afflalo would blush, highly focused, no dramas, the player who will get in his teammates’ faces when they are lazy/ don’t bring it.

Cmon… who do you compare him to when it comes to baggage? Melo for god sake…

It;s like you put a blind eye on the 10-12 games a season when Melo shows up exactly like LeBron did in Game 5. Count in one hand how many times you’ve seen LeBron shows up like that.

When LeBron got 15 pts on 3-for-14 shootings it was dubbed as one of his worst performances ever, if not the worst.

When Melo got 15 pts on 3-for-14 shootings, he’s in a normal slump…

Cmon now, I agree with you Melo is the more likeable guy, the more charismatic and approachable dude, but give me LeBron over Melo any day. Yeah I am one of those guys who think a team’s chances of a championship is better when the talent is better.

by SnakefromHell on May 13, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Melo being lazy...

… is also another reason why I want Bill Laimbeer to be our coach (see my thread :-D ), because Bill will kick his ass for that.

GK fears Melo’s status as the franchise player, he fears a superstar’s ego. What happens when you baby a person too much? He never grows.

Bill will have none of it. It will be for the best of Melo himself and the team.

by SnakefromHell on May 13, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

"What happens when you baby a person too much?"
…I only played 3 bad games in 7 years…

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

ZING!

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by Joelsopinion on May 13, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

and dont forget the fact that...

…he “spoils” us with his play. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck him!

by GottaLoveMelo on May 13, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I had forgotten about that part.

classy player, that lebron

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

As I said in a post above here

if it was easier to build around Lebron it would have been done by now. He’s a small forward, who plays two guard, who dominates the ball and is more concerned about his “brand” than anything else. SO….with that being said are you so convinced that this “superior talent” is better to build around than Melo?

I’m not going to dispute that Lebron is a better all around player. I will say that is mostly because he has his hands on the ball 40% more than Melo does during the game….and his “assist” totals are padded because of this (empty assists) and he plays good trailing defense but that is about it. He’s not going to shut down anyone.

When Lebron actually wins a championship I will relent and say he’s the best player I’ve seen. Until then I’m of the mind that we stop pining for other great players and build around the one we have. If we can’t do it, and Melo leaves after next year….it will be sad, but something tells me Melo will leave with a bit more dignity than Lebron has so far.

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by jpage78 on May 13, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

When you leave, you leave...

… but what dignity?

The reason why LeBron has so much drama about him is as CraftyB himself mentioned, LeBron is HYPE. Probably the most hyped player ever who EXCEEDED that hype.

What happens when “Hype” is about to become a free agent? Hype is “hyped”… everywhere he goes. What is he supposed to do, when in EVERY post-game interview he’s asked that question? To “Derrick Rose” through it?

Maybe the real reason why Melo has more “dignity”… is because he’s not as hyped as Hype. His free agency is next year anyway. Even if it was the same year (if Melo was a free agent this summer), Hype would still get more hype. There’s a reason for that, again, Hype is the better player than Melo.

 
For all we know, Melo could be giggling now if LeBron leaving Cleveland (let’s say to Chicago) and causing such anguish in Cleveland means his leaving to New York would be less scrutinized.

by SnakefromHell on May 13, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

How has he exceeded the hype?

The guy pretty much needs a handful of rings just to live up to the hype – he’s the King, the Chosen One, Magic & Jordan combined, etc etc. If he was all that and more, he’d have some championship hardware to show for it.

by CraftyB on May 13, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

By...

… being much more than all expectations set on him before he even played his first NBA game.

He played an entire high school season projected as a lock for no 1 pick. He was 18, yet people said he’s gonna be an All Star, maybe a Magic Johnson.

Instead he’s become a superstar. His name is in discussion as the best ever to play the game. You got two players you can choose: Magic or LeBron… who do you choose? No rings considered… strictly talents.

Basically, if we rewind back to 2003, before he played his first NBA game… if we ever come out and say we’re from 2010 transported by a time machine and says LeBron is gonna average (basically) 30, 8, 8 in his prime and he’ll be among the best to ever play the game… the hype would laugh at your face if it was a person.

That’s how LeBron exceeds the hype :-)

by SnakefromHell on May 13, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

"No rings considered"

Uh, no. When you’re talking about best players to ever play the game, you don’t get to take that out of the equation. People talk about guys like Magic and Jordan as all-time greats BECAUSE of the titles they won. Period, end of story. Take the rings off their fingers, and they’d just be gifted players who never won a title. See Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, etc etc…

by CraftyB on May 13, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bill Russell is the best big man ever to play the game because of his 11 titles

And because he introduced modern defense into the NBA. Before then, defenders weren’t supposed to ever leave the ground, and they rarely ever showed flashiness on that end of that court. He revolutionized the game.

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by LACK on May 13, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't get this part: "he's gonna be an All Star, maybe a Magic Johnson"

Then you follow up with “Instead he’s become a superstar.”

Last I remember, Magic won 3 MVPs and 5 championships, and set league and franchise records while doing so. And that was in a shorter career than Lebron will inevitably have. Magic was a superstar in every right.

And no one said “oh he’ll be an All-Star.” They said “he’s got the potential to be the next Michael Jordan” or “he’s got the potential to be the greatest of all time.” That’s a step above being, say, Amare Stoudemire.

He may have exceeded the hype, but it’s more about how good he is outside of the boxscore. 30, 8, and 8 isn’t too far off what some expected. I mean if you told someone that before 2003 using your time machine, I’d be willing to bet not many would be surprised. The fact that he plays top notch defense and apparently is a good teammate (plus the fact that he is very aggresive at marketing himself) is what puts him over.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Closest comparison to Magic Johnson in the NBA is nobody

So I agree with you.

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by LACK on May 13, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hype doesn't equate to guaranteed greatness

The NBA is riddled with “hyped players” who havent panned out. You seem to think that Crafty and I understanding the value that Melo has to our team, and recognizing the fact that Lebron has some serious faults: too much hype (both self and media driven) pouting (more than one occasion) and in the last game just quitting on his team….is somehow akin to blind homerism. We all know what Melo’s faults are, this site has gone over them time and time again, but the fact remains that Melo is OUR faulted star. No he’s not perfect but, you know what, I like having him on the team. And if having Lebron here means what is happening in Cleveland (which considering Lebron’s footsy with New York for 3 years is entirely predictable) would happen here. I will gladly take Melo.

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by jpage78 on May 13, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

No we wouldn't.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

WE GET IT WE KNOW LEBRON IS BETTER

no one is saying Melo is better as a player. we know lebron’s better. seriously.

Did no one read the part where it says “LeBron > Carmelo?” HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT IN THE POST

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 1:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Lebron is a pure magician

His disappearing act in Game 5 was amazing.

Right now in Game 6 with the Cavs getting owned because players not named “Lebron” or “Maurice” are sucking. Lebron has 25 points, 19 rebounds, and 10 assists.

Rajon Rondo has 21 points and 12 assists, and has been amazing these playoffs. Antawn Jamison is making a rickety old Kevin Garnett look like, um, the 2003 Kevin Garnett that put up mindblowing statistical lines.

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by LACK on May 13, 2010 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also

Rasheed Wallace isn’t sucking, which has rarely happened.

Cleveland is on a 7-0 run. Stat jinx!

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"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
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by LACK on May 13, 2010 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

27 points now

Frankly, Melo rarely gets 10 rebounds, never mind 19. He also rarely gets 6 assists, never mind 10

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = QPU #25, and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter

by LACK on May 13, 2010 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right well

9 turnovers, sloppy play, and poor defense didn’t help.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

This thread has devolved into a scenario I’m familiar with. Imagine, if you can, me sitting on the couch watching TV with my girlfriend…

My old lady: Artie?
Artimus: Not now…
MOL: Which do you like better? ____ or ____?
Artimus: What? I like them equally. The same. Now shhh, this is the part where he says—
MOL: But that’s not how the game works, you have to choose one.
Artimus: Wait, what? But I don’t want to. I like them both for different—
MOL: WHY CAN’T YOU JUST PLAY THE GAME?!

Lebron as a player is better than Melo, ship or no ship. Lebron’s clownish antics are annoying, and by far some of the worst in the league. Mutually exclusive. And that’s where I stand.

by Artimus Mangilord on May 13, 2010 2:26 PM MDT reply actions  

My Answer

I like Melo more because he is a Nugget. I hate LePout because he is over-hyped by the media and he doesn’t have the clutch gene that I love to see. Melo is super clutch along the lines of Kobe and MJ. I also detest the way LePout has treated his team in Cleveland and I am very glad we aren’t having to deal with that as fans of the Nugs.

However, if we were going back to draft day and I had a choice between LePout and Melo I would instantly, without a second thought, take LePout and build a team around him. I would change it up though and have him running point from day one and bring in athletic bigs to speed up the game and take advantage of his freak athleticism.

Also, I absolutely hate LePout’s personality as I see it. All I ever hear him say is the game is easy for him and he is the greatest. He doesn’t ever give his opponents credit when the beat him and util he starts to do that teams will always go after him balls out because they hate him. He won’t ever win a title until he learns some modesty.

by Gasus on May 13, 2010 2:50 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

I don’t really like LeBron’s attitude either…

But this thread makes it seem like, suddenly, NBA players’ demeanor is more important than their game. Does all that hype affect LeBron’s game? No. Do we pay tickets/ league pass to watch the game or their off court personality? Who cares if he’s a douche but can give 30, 8 and 8 every game? You’d chant MVP too if he donned Nuggets jersey.

Guy may be arrogant, but if he can handle it, let him be. As long as it doesn’t affect negatively to his game, it doesn’t affect negatively to the team. The greatest players were arrogant, but because they have rings, people seem to forget their attitude. So I’m all for LeBron to be a Nugget and win his ring here… if it means the Nuggets win a championship.

by SnakefromHell on May 13, 2010 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why do you assume he's going to win a ring?

They don’t just hand em out to anyone with a couple MVPs and their own muppet. And until he figures out that NBA titles aren’t owed him simply for being LeBron, it ain’t gonna happen.

by CraftyB on May 13, 2010 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

All the greats win titles eventually

I think it’s fair to say someone of Lebron’s talent will eventually find a team that builds successfully around him and wins two or three ships

Same goes for Melo, only I suspect his ship will come after years of early round flameouts. Hopefully he’ll be with the Nuggets when that happens.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just saying it's not a given

I’m sure Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing figured it would eventually happen for them, but it didn’t. Massive skill/talent is no guarantee.

by CraftyB on May 13, 2010 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

I guess for every Kobe Bryant, who is granted great supporting casts and wins four to five titles, there’s a Reggie Miller.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

My answer:

Possibly. If Lebron was on our team, we’d be winning the title, hands down. Our supporting cast is much better than Cleveland’s. With that being said, had we drafted Lebron on draft day, it might have been different. Andre Miller might not have signed with us because he might have been a bit wary of playing alongside a ball-facilitating player like Lebron James. Had we not gotten Miller, we would not have had Steven Hunter, AI, Chauncey, and, in short, our entire last seven years would have been VERY different.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = QPU #25, and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter

by LACK on May 13, 2010 8:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Welp, the meltdown is complete.

I’m starting to lean heavily toward Lebron leaving now. Before I suspected the Cavs would still win the series and that Lebron would re-sign, but after seeing this team implode, I don’t think he will anymore.

Lebron will be gone. Shaq, see you. Ilgauskas, retiring? Mike Brown, you should have been fired 3 years ago. Cleveland, sorry. Maybe next decade.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 9:02 PM MDT reply actions  

You know what's sad about this statement?

It’s true.

Everyone has a right to be stupid. I just abuse the privilege.

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by Mini Hulk on May 13, 2010 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

What was with the Cavs just giving up with 45 seconds to play?

They were down 9, yeah…but hey, miracles happen. T-Mac once scored 13 points in 35 seconds. Reggie once scored 8 in 9. They have Lebron James on their team, and they just quit. And not the cool kind of quit.

Mo Williams, man, he just strolls down the court with 45 left, takes his time when DO YOU KNOW LEBRON IS LEAVING NEXT YEAR AND YOU WILL HAVE FUCKING NO MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP FOR THE REST OF YOUR CAREER is what I was thinking. I don’t like Mo.

Seriously though…why not just fire a quick 3 and pray it goes in? And on defense…they didn’t put any effort into the final few possessions. Didn’t foul Rondo either, despite the fact that he was shooting worse than Nene from the line. Pretty sad.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 9:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Looked more like they quit in the last 2 1/2 minutes.

There was no energy. No passion. Nothing.

Everyone has a right to be stupid. I just abuse the privilege.

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by Mini Hulk on May 13, 2010 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lebron is a punk

he knew exactly what he was doing throwing it into heavy traffic with only white jerseys around, allowing Wallace the easy steal.

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by CloudBurst on May 13, 2010 9:49 PM MDT reply actions  

elephant in the room

Although I think LeBron is a better overall player than Melo, if their positions were switched, I don’t think either would have won a ring at this point. Besides all that, I believe that before Melo actually signs an extension, it would be foolish to assume that he won’t flirt with other teams next offseason. There has been much Bron bashing about how he’s handled his pending free agency. Of all the reasons you can find to hate LeBron, this isn’t a good one. As a player looking at a career in which he’ll last 15 years at best, his priority is to what’s best for himself amd his family when it comes to contract negotiations. By the end of the summer, he will have put himself in the best possible financial situation possible (contract + endorsements, etc). Although we as fans want our athletes to be loyal, the reality of the salary cap makes that a largely unrealistic goal. Few athletes stay with 1 team their entire career and even the one that do will flirt with other teams (see Tim Duncan nearly signing with Orlando years ago). Be prepared Nuggets nation, if Melo doesn’t sign an extension, the circus in Cleveland with LeBron this year will be our circus next year with Melo. And yes, he will be justified in looking for the best possible deal. Sorry for the long post folks!

by adub on May 13, 2010 10:03 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

There's flirting...

…and there’s flashing your junk all over town like the town whore. Duncan was the former, LeBron the latter. Discretion, ya know? You can explore your options without rubbing your current team’s nose in it.

RE: Melo, I personally think we’ve got a great chance to keep him (he doesn’t seem to crave the major media market/Madison Avenue spotlight the way LeBron does), but if he leaves, at least he had the courtesy not to start cuckolding the Nuggets a full two years out.

by CraftyB on May 13, 2010 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm noticing that a lot of cleveland fans are really composed about all this

I mean if I were a Cavs fan I’d be pretty upset right now. But instead a lot of them are resigned to the fact that Lebron probably won’t be back, and don’t seem very unhappy. Guess that’s what makes it Cleveland.

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by Uh on May 13, 2010 10:27 PM MDT reply actions  

not surprised by that

I’m originally from Buffalo where like Cleveland, we have experience in painful losses. In fact, I beacme a Nugget fan when my family moved to Denver and my beloved Braves, thanks to a certain lawyer named David Stern, were slowly vivisected before being shipped off to San Diego. You never like it, you never get used to it, but you come to expect it. Just like you never say “wide right”, “skate in the crease” or David Stern to anyone from Buffalo, soon you’ll be able to add LeBron to such words like “the drive”, “the fumble” or Jose Mesa to the list of unspeakable phrases to the people of Cleveland.

by adub on May 13, 2010 11:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

The day Jim Brown retired

My grandfather walked out to the curb, picked up the paper, read the news, and called into work that day.

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by Artimus Mangilord on May 14, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

As our esteemed proprietor said about Melo...

Where 27 pts, 18 boards, 10 assists, 9 TOs doesn’t get it done.
LBJ is a monster and can put the meanest stats we have ever seen. As many on this post said, he just doesn’t have the killer instinct or the will to win. He needs a player that can take it over at the end like a DWade or even a Melo and then he will win. He just doesn’t have that instinct to win games. He is a good front runner, but when the going gets tough he folds.
I saw some possessions in the end of game 6 where he just coughed up the ball and missed some layups. He did stare at the refs just like Melo when he thought he was fouled while Pierce was at the other end scoring a hoop. Kobe is scary because he never makes mistakes in those key possessions. The “Chosen One”, and “King” of basketball should be even more scary imo, but we all know during pressure times LBJ somehow seems to lose and it is inexplicable. That is another reason why I prefer Melo. He actually seems like he wants to win more even though he is not as talented as LBJ. Same reason a lot of us want JR out of town for some crappy character player because talent != championship all the time.
 My beef is the media hypes him to be the best player ever, but he is just as flawed as a lot of other current superstars.
I also laughed when he pulled a JR. I knew once he made 2 threes in a row he was going to jack it up at least a couple more times. Predictably, the subsequent three balls weren’t even close.

by JR15 on May 13, 2010 11:13 PM MDT reply actions  

If you want to sell tickets... LeBron

If you’re sincere about winning a title… Melo

The Nugs have failed in building a suitable team around Melo. Melo is not LeBron just like Barkley was not Jordan… that didn’t make Barkley any less of a superstar.

Melo has the “winner” make up in him… no way Syracuse wins the NCAA or Melo hits all those last second games winners (LeBron btw, waaaaay behind in the list of game winning shots). You just need a title quality team around Melo.

That’s all it will take. The question is: Will Short Arm Stan “Sterling” make it happen here? or will it be somewhere else?

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by the word on May 20, 2010 6:03 PM MDT reply actions  

I'll take Bron

Contrary to the thought of who will evolve better as a player- I think he has the tools to develop a better (not than Melo’s shot) perimeter game as he progresses. The fact is he really hasn’t had the need to develop it yet, cause no one can really stop him on the drive. The Celtics did, but that was a result of his teammates not hitting shots and keeping the defenders honest. Once he’s surrounded by “real” talent, he’ll thrive in all aspects of the game. Mo Williams, Varejao, Jamison (too old and useless defensively) don’t fall into the catergory.

I love Melo, but he hasn’t stepped up very often in the playoffs either. If Bron was on the Nugs last year, I don’t think they lose versus the Lakers. Just my honest opinion.

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by propheteer on May 21, 2010 11:24 AM MDT reply actions  

If I was on the Nuggets last year

I don’t think we would have lost that series lol. I could’ve at least thrown the ball in or called a time out.

by higgyhoops12 on May 23, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

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