It's time for Stern to make a new rule
by Garrett Olsen on Mar 15, 2010 10:53 PM MDT
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After tonights game, I have had enough with a constant play that certain teams and players keep doing. I am talking about he oh so annoying flop.
Tonighs game against the Houston Rockets was the worse one yet this year in regards to the flop. Luis Scola, Kevin Martin and Shane Battie each flopped at least three times a piece and got the call on half of them. It altered the outcome of the game in favor of Houston and really just takes away from the game of basketball.
I feel bad for Houston Rocket fans because if my favorite team played like that I would have to stop watching them. It's just not fun to watch and takes any kind of physicality there is in the NBA. This leads to my next point. I think David Stern needs to enforce a flop rule. I think it should be a team foul and an automatic turn over. Each team should get one warning, like the delay of game rule. And after that, if a flop is called it shoul be a team foul and an automatic possesion for the other team.
The flopping is getting rediculous ridiculous and I really think a rule should be made to prevent it. What do you guys think?
The All Flop List:
1. Manu Gifloply
2. Sasha Va-flop-on-you-cich
3. Dirk No-i-didn't-just-flop-witzki
4. Chris Palease-give-me-the-call-ul
5. Kevin Man-i-flopped-u-rtin
7. Luis S-hould-I-flop-now-cola
8. Shane B-etter-watch-out-for-my-flop-attier
9. Anderson Varaflop
10. Dwayne Waddaflop
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you are totally right haha thanks man i had a brain fart… i just changed it haha
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
by Garrett Olsen on Mar 15, 2010 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
El Busto
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
you know that it's possible to edit the polls right?
and do i care of vujacic and varejao don’t get a job? no!
my shift key isn’t working…
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Unbelievable flopping from Houston tonight
I hate NBA refs but tonight is exactly how they should handle flopping, they punished Houston for it by calling fouls on them and not falling for it.
Proud member of Thuggetz nation.
i do not care and the nuggets should not either
that was not the reason denver lost. according to coach dantley it was transition defense. i agree. nuggets should have learned an important lesson against dallas in the playoffs. melo was fouled, he kept playing because there was no whistle and hit a game winning shot. i have said it before and will say it again. THERE ARE VERY FEW SECRETS IN THE NBA. THE FEW SECRETS IN THE NBA DO NOT STAY SECRETS FOR VERY LONG. nuggets always bitch about fouls. when that happens the other teams take the ball the other way and score an easy lay up. melo can complain all he wants about a lack of respect. he is correct. meanwhile the other team is headed the other way for an easy basket.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Mar 16, 2010 12:25 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I didn’t see the game tonight, so I can’t comment on this particular game specifically, but you’re dead-on about this part:
nuggets always bitch about fouls. when that happens the other teams take the ball the other way and score an easy lay up. melo can complain all he wants about a lack of respect. he is correct. meanwhile the other team is headed the other way for an easy basket.
It’s so obvious, if we blog commentors can see it, I don’t understand why the coaches aren’t sitting down with the players in the film room and showing it to them.
by ParkHillNative on Mar 16, 2010 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions
haha
I will admit my spelling is terrible. I fixed it!
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
by Garrett Olsen on Mar 16, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
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There actually is a rule, came into play a few years ago where if you flop, you get the foul. It works about 20% of the time as the refs can’t watch everything on the court (just impossible) so they react to the after play (guy falling down, flailing arms, tears running down face)
Garrett Olsen - my thoughts EXACTLY!!!
I watched last nights game and told my own 17 yr. old son that players like Kevin Martin are frickin’ pussies! Yes I used those words to him. Kevin Martin is not man enough to take a little banging in the big boys league. His flops are sick. Not to mention as Garrett did many other NBA players. Scola, Battier, Dirk, hell even Lebron James does it. CP3 does it. The NBA (do you hear me David Stern?) needs to make a rule about this. How about the propietors of this site? Andrew, you have many contacts with the powers that be. Is there anyway you can put the word in Stern’s ear?
haha
I think its funny you used “frickin” then used “pussies” If you’re gonna used pussies then go all in and say they are fuckin pussies! hahah…if you insist on using frickin tho…then I would go with frickin pansies.
other than that…i didnt get to watch the game :(
by GottaLoveMelo on Mar 16, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
According to ESPN films
Reggie Miller started it all. I guess when your big sister consistantly beats you in basketball then you must develop your game some how…“I’ll fall down if she comes near, yeah that should make people love me more.”
P.S. Reggie, I still hate your guts.
by Joelsopinion on Mar 16, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I was gonna
uses his name in the poll, but I just have never gotten over Sasha Vaginachich’s flop when JR ran at him when he shot the 3 in the WCF. JR was 3 feet away, he fell and got 3 shots. Worse flop of all time. I did forget CP3… He flops a lot too.. It is kind of strange that it seems like more West Conference players flop than East. Doesn’t it seem that way a liitle?
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
by Garrett Olsen on Mar 16, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Not really
all players flop to try to get the benefit of the whistle. Some flop, some use wild arm movements, some throw their legs. Everyone tries to get the benefit of the whistle
Marty the troll is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am welcoming you with open arms to spew some more Laker rage on www.denverstiffs.com
what rage
I’m just saying that all players flop or try to get the benefit of the whistle. I don’t understand why thats a troll comment.
I believe a Laker fan (Marty Mart) posted the following on the Weekly Optimism post:
“The only problem is playing up to potential for 7 straight games is something the Nuggets have not done all season.” Condesending Laker fan comment no doubt. Now if you were a Nugs fan, this may not be such an infraction. But if you want to talk shit about our team then expect some people to talk shit back.
I didn't talk stuff
I was making an observation of your team. I clarified it later, but as this is a Nuggets blog why should I come here and talk about the Lakers/Cavs/Mavs/any other team. It wasn’t meant to be a slight.
dont get Gasus started...
Gasus will defend the Nuggets honour till the end
PS…GASUS HATES LAKERS FANS
by InboundingLobPass on Mar 17, 2010 2:31 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This is starting to remind me of the Cantina scene in Star Wars.
“He doesn’t like you.”
“I’m sorry!”
“I don’t like you either!”
by ParkHillNative on Mar 17, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah it does
That is because the Spurs and the Rockets are in the West plus we see a lot more of the West as Nugs fans. That Varajao from Cleveland should be on the biggest flopper list too. You should redo this post and take out Tony Battie and put in Varajao (I am spelling it wrong), Ginobili, Scola, and Vujachic. I will rec it as I am sure many others will if you fix it. We could have it on recommended posts till the season is over.
I just updated it =)
Haha I think it’s pretty accurate!
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
by Garrett Olsen on Mar 16, 2010 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Yess. He is the biggest freaking flopper ever.
He is a magic fans nightmare. He is sooo annoying, but apparently Cavs fans love him. I’m guessing because he gets the cavs whistles? He is the biggest flopper in the East that comes to mind.
If you flop, no team foul; instead JR Smith gets to throw the ball at your gut
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 16, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
LMAO
I love Manu’s late reaction to getting hit. He takes the hit in the stomach, doesn’t even flinch and then turns and touches the ground as if thats the natural reaction.
The Name Is
Manu GiFLOPPY
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 16, 2010 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions
If I got a free taco for every time Manu Ginobili flops...
I’d be dead.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Haha here's a few
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukde193ivM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjsFu882zks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEef1T_lqwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjd07JiMF88
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO4rgCY94e4
The 4th one if my personal favorite =)
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
Call it a Ginobili
Same as a T. Two Ginobilis and you’re out of a game. Ginobili’s career would be over. As would Sasha Vaginabitch’s.
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
Anderson
Varegina.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
yes
I think it should be a team foul and an automatic turn over. Each team should get one warning, like the delay of game rule. And after that, if a flop is called it should be a team foul and an automatic possession for the other team.
either that or the refs just dont give them the call.
I dont like watching the NBA go the route of European soccer like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2FG1WAry08&feature=related
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Too serious.
Others on here even went as far as suggesting getting rid of offensive fouls. Fact of the matter is, flops are exaggerations which everyone does. You’re not gonna get rid of it no matter what penalties you use, so you just have to trust it. They don’t always get the call for flops, just like everyone doesn’t always get calls for legitimate fouls. Its not something that can just be fixed with a rule or law.
Thats easy for a Laker fan to say
Since Kobe gets the call even if you look at him wrong, and half your team uses to the flop method ie. Gasol, Vflapachich, Walton, Kobe etc. It’s retarded and LA is one of the teams that does it the most. You could easily make a flop rule. Flops are as easy to spot as a foul is. If you wanna worry about the refs gettin whistle happy with an already whistle happy game then make a flop a tech.. I bet 10-15 players would have to move to Europe to play ball… Sasha being one of them.
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
by Garrett Olsen on Mar 17, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok
whatever you say. I find it funny that L.A. does it the most considering their about average when it comes to drawing fouls anyway. And of the 4 players you mentioned, Vujacic plays horrid defense for less than ten min a game, Pau rarely gets other players in foul trouble, and Walton hasn’t even played 20 games worth of min and has been injured most of this season. I guess Ron Artest is a flopper to you as well. Like I said, every player exaggerates things including Kobe, Melo, Wade, Bron, and company at the elite levels of the game. Flops don’t need to be a tech, we have enough things that get a tech already. Besides when a ref realizes they got done over by a flop they usually don’t get the benefit of the whistle during that game overall and they give a makeup call to the player. You’re fussing for something that is at most less than 5 fouls during the course of a game, nowhere near enough to actually effect the outcome unless its a flop at the end, which is rare but maybe Denver gets bested by them more often than I see.
by Marty Mart on Mar 18, 2010 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh btw
sasha isnt really a flopper. hes just a terrible shooter/ heavily overrated defender who makes idiotic fouls then goes and whines to the refs. He will probably be gone from the league once his contract expires in 2011.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I’ve seen him flop. Definitely.
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 16, 2010 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
did you really just say
sasha is not a flopper, this is the best case of delusional lakers fan ever
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
shaqfor3
I mean this in the most respectable way possible… but are you fucking retarded? Sasha doesn’t flop? What?
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
by Garrett Olsen on Mar 17, 2010 1:15 AM MDT up reply actions
look I never say he doesnt ever flop. But in comparison to Ginobli, Varejao, etc. (the big time floppers in this league) he flops a lot less frequently. Plus also take into consideration the huge cut back in his minutes this year. Other aspects of his game such as his idiotic fouls or poor shooting stand out a lot more.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
with the huge cut in minutes...
he has got to have the highest flop per 48 mins in the league!
by GottaLoveMelo on Mar 18, 2010 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Yea he's definately a flopper.
And so is Pau. I personally like Pau, but he is one of those European players that flops. I don’t see how you can deny it.
Ginobili is the worst ever. And as much other garbage as their is out there, nobody really even comes close.
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 17, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
+1
Scola and Varajeao (however the fuck you spell it) are making a run at him this year though.
Just call him vaginia-wow
Sounds the same and has a spelling no one will ever forget
by Joelsopinion on Mar 17, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
floptastic 4
danny ainge, bill laimbeer, reggie miller and dennis rodman. you could get any one of these guys today, put a uniform on them and they could teach a carp how to flop on dry land.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
different flops for different folks
1. floppaholic. 2. floptusi. 3. floppizzle. 4. flopmaster. 5. floppapalooza. 6. flopnick. 7. floppinski. 8. flopster 9. flop’n’roll. 10. floppalot.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Mar 17, 2010 3:42 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
sir flopsalot
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
by NuggetsLife on Mar 17, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Huge +1
Flops should be fouls. They call it in Soccer and it works.
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Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
There is a rule!!!
But the refs choose to ignore it. If it’s an intentional flop then the foul is on you. But the badly trained refs continue to go by “what they think happened” rather than what really happend.
Stern needs to swallow his pride and admit going to the 3rd ref system was a bad idea and go back to 2 refs in the game. The games truly were called better with 2 experienced refs.
The 3rd ref is usually poorly trained, very inexperienced and doesn’t know when you should and when you shouldn’t blow the whistle.
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