Next years starting lineup..
by CloudBurst on Mar 14, 2010 7:43 AM MST
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OK, not really but I wanted to share my thoughts on what would make a realistic and even better Nuggets team next year, I know most fans don't even want to think about next year right now as we head down the regular season stretch to the playoffs, but after watching the Nuggets play last night I could not help but marvel at Marc Gasols play, going 6-8 shooting and finishing with 17 pts, 7 rebounds, and 6 assist in a very competitive game until the 4th quarter when the Nuggets pushed into another gear to win big. However I can't help but imagine what our Nuggets lineup next year would be if we somehow got a hold of Gasol, imagine Gasol-5, Nene-4, Melo-3, Affalo- 2 Billups- 1. Not only would we have even more size and a true center with Gasol, but with Nene sliding to what he thinks is his natural position we would be more physical and our rebounding would be much better, for we rank somewhere around 20th this year.
Now, how would we get Marc Gasol? And not only that, but who else thinks that he would upgrade or downgrade our team compared to that of the smaller lineup of Martin and Nene, not to mention what would we do with Kenyon if we ever made a deal like this? I don't know how the other stiffs feel about this, but I honestly have a feeling that we need a guy like Marc Gasol, he truly seems like the perfect fit for us and I think with all the injuries Kenyon has had over his career, that he should maybe become a number one option off the bench, I am not sure how this would all work because of Kenyon's contract, or what we might have to give up for him so I wanted to ask the Denver Stiffs what they felt about this.
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Hes good
But I’d rather have David Lee. Plus i think Lee is a Free agent? He signed a 1 year this year.
Lee's an all-star that's going to get over 10 million
We’re already over the luxury tax for NEXT YEAR, even though we only have like 8 or 9 players signed.
I think we should give Hakim Warrick our biannual exception and leave it at that.
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""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
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Probably a really good idea
But Kmart may become a great trade piece next year. Billups and Melo need to decide if they can part with Kmart next year. I imagine if Kmart comes back and the Nugs win the title this year that the Nugs will get either Thomas or Warrick for the bi annual or mid level (whatever it is) and stand pat. If they don’t get it done we will probably see Kmart moved. I am a huge supporter of Kmart and have probably been his biggest voice on Stiffs but the injury shit is getting really old.
I'd be ok with
K-Mart being traded then bought out and signing with the Nuggets at a lower price. But knowing the Nuggets standing within the league they’d get in accused of some type of pre-arranged deal and the deal would be voided.
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
by NuggetsLife on Mar 14, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Because...
Unless if KMart’s knee injury is much worse than expected, he’ll still be starting material next year. Big Z, on the other hand, is rightfully a backup. And since we aren’t Lebron’s team or the l*kers or the Knicks (Stern is a big Knicks’ fan), Stern is gonna void the trade.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Every nuggets fan was talking about Gasol this summer and last year...
its close to impossible…. hes a great young big man on a very cheap contract… why trade him… only way i see him being traded is part of a bigger trade for a legit all star
Why would Memphis do the trade?
Plus, we aren’t the l*kers or the Knicks or a big-market team, so there wouldn’t be any under-the-table dealing anyways.
Also, Memphis is actually halfway decent this year, so they have no incentive to give away their good players that are on very cheap contracts.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Also ive said this a couple of times, but in the summer we could def get strong
this past summer we couldnt because it was important to re-sign Bird (right choice)
but this summer we dont have any1 except Petro to re-sign…
so lets get a legit big for the MLE…. im talking Brad Miller, Marcus Camby, JO
another idea i thought of, do you think Houston would S&T Scola with us… (this guy is so legit and is gna get over looked this summer, dude went 20—25 last night, thats 44 pts on 80% shooting!!) he would fit so well on this team, hes a true hard working rebounder…
I think something like S&T Kleiza, 2 Picks and Balkman if they want him for Scola…
We can't
Because of how much we’re over the damn tax for NEXT YEAR
Sign Hakim Warrick for the bi-annual exception. Hess can put some muscle on him, and he could be our PF of the future.
There’s no way that’s enough for Scola. Houston loves him (he just put up 44 and 12), and since we’re a good team those picks aren’t going to be worth much anyways. Plus, they don’t need Kleiza since they have Chase Budinger.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Also, Brad Miller is not worth anything close to the MLE
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
+1
I’m with you 100% on the need for a power forward and not a center. Hopefully Kmart can mentor a Tyrus Thomas or a Hakim Warrick.
Tyrus is going to get a bit more money than the BIE of 2 million
Because he’s getting PT in Charlotte and although he still has many bad games, his occasional 20-10 games will push up his price a bit.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Didn't they sign bird with a MLE last year
Do they have that again every year?
Yah
But I doubt that we’ll use all of it. We’ve already 5-6 million over the tax for NEXT SEASON with only like 9 or 10 players down. I say we chase Warrick with the BAE, then sign mininum guys. Even like that, we’d still be at 10 million over the tax. That’s a TON of money to pay, and I get what Stan Kroenke is doing.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
I am all for adding a legit big man . .
And I would throw the full MLE at Haywood for example, but not sure I want an aging non-athletic center who has never been know for his off court work ethic . . my point it Miller might get really, really old fast.
So, suppose we can’t get Scola, Haywood, Gasol, Thomas, etc (which seems probably given our assets and salary constraints.)
How about going the other way and saying screw it, we can’t match up size wise with the Lakers, but we can put a more atheltic team on the floor. The NBA overpays for big men ’cause finding good ones is so tough (hell we overpaid for Birdman for that reason even w/hometown discount and it was worth it) . .. but the bargins tend to be with the wing players (e.g. AAA), so how about gambling on Travis Outlaw, if he recovers from the season injury he could be a fantastic value signing and is big enough to play fo PF.
I think you get what see with Warrick. I don’t think there is much growth left in his game. He is 27 and hasn’t really shown any improvement since he came into the league. He is not a bad player, but I think we need to gamble a little to uncover some real value (like Birdman/Jones last year and AAA this year).
Outlaw has played the past few weeks
However, it’s with the Clippers so that nobody but diehard NBA fans care. He’s doing fine, putting up around 14-15 ppg but only 5 rpg as a starting SF.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
NENE IS NOT A FORWARD AND MARC GASOL IS NEVER GOING TO BE TRADED
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
+1
He’s too bulky for PF. He’s listed as 6’11" and 250 lbs, but I’d guess that he’s more like 6’9" and 260 lbs. That’s like the difference between Andray Blatche and, um, darn, I can’t think of any 6’9" 260 lbs. players not named Nene besides Dwight Howard, except Howard isn’t a good example because he weighs way more than he looks because of the weight of his muscles.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Is Howard really around 6'9''?
Not having watched him much (I admit to not watching many non-Nuggets games), I was always under the impression he was somewhere between 6’11’’ to 7’0’’.
Nene on the other hand, yeah, he’s probably not 6’11’’. A short 6’10’’ or maybe even 6’9’’ seems about right.
by Uh on Mar 14, 2010 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Nene is 6'9"
I remember him against Lee in a game against the Knicks. Lee actually had a half inch or so on him, and Lee is definitely 6’10"
Dwight Howard is shorter than Rashard Lewis.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
The Nuggets only hope for getting a big man next year
is to trade K-mart at the deadline a la the Cavs and pick up a big man from a team who is seeking cap relief. WE ARE NOT getting Marc Gasol PERIOD. Why would the Grizz get ride of a Big who is making less than 5 mill per? The only other chance at a big would be through the draft but it usually takes a year or two to get returns on a big from the late first round/ second round. The nuggets are stuck where they are unless Stan wants to pony up some $$$$$$$. We haven’t signed anyone for next year and we’re already at 72 million. Bring on the league minimum contracts!!!
Realistic 2010-11 starting rotation and bench
PG – Billups
SG – Afflalo
SF – Melo!
PF – Martin
C – Nene
SG – Smith
PG – Lawson
PF/C – Bird
C? – Petro
Benchwarmers – Balkman, Graham, Carter, and one more useless player
Yeah, I know I made some pretty bold predictions there.
What about..
Ian Mahinmi ? I’ve seen him play, he’s pretty decent although we’d need someone else to go along with…
I don't want warrick
I’d rather re-sign Joey and draft a PF. Or try to get Charlotte to sign and trade tyrus.
by runningdonut on Mar 14, 2010 9:03 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
mac koshwal depaul next seasons' dejuan blair
he is a junior, 6’10", and a combination of tim duncan and dwight howard. depaul fired their head coach jerry wainwright. koshwal may decide to leave after this season. if he stays for his senior year koshwall will be a lottery pick if there is a 2012 nba season. that may be another reason for him to leave. wainwright was an assistant coach at wake forest for many years. he is credited with recruiting and developing rodney rodgers and tim duncan.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Nice! Good thing we have that bevy of draft picks to try and find someone...
…oh wait.
by 12-piece Nuggets on Mar 15, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
the point i was trying to make is
if koshwal does not return for his senior year he could be a second round pick. he could wind up being a sleeper in the draft because his team had a bad record.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
second or first, we still need to actually have a pick
to draft someone
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Thing is...
Dejuan Blair was a pretty big name and dominated the glass in college bball but fell to the second round. Admittedly, I have never heard of Mac Koshwal.
I’m amazed that Thursty hasn’t gone to nohoops4u for his lack of capitalization…
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
I've heard you mention this guy before
I’ll have to keep an eye out for him
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 15, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Yancy Gates out of Cincinatti
If he comes out for the draft might be under the radar too. He’s a super athletic talent with a raw physical game
by runningdonut on Mar 15, 2010 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Why don't we trade into the mid/late first round somehow
And draft Al-Farauq Aminu if possible
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
I know last night was only one game . .
But I’d throw the full MLE at Scola. He’d be a great fit for us, can shoot to 16 feet, runs the floor, good passing big man, and brings a little beef. Maybe that is not enough to get him, but if makes Houston pay more for, that’s okay too.
u guys think
joey graham and johan petro will re-sign w/ us for minimum contracts next season? i kinda like chris hunter from GSW as another big body.
larry bird is still running the pacers
graham can be in for a big payday.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
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