Possible trade? (without JR)
by iamhe77 on Feb 3, 2010 8:13 PM MST
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So the Suns are supposedly shopping Amare and the Raptors are worried about Bosh bolting and heading for a warmer climate....
SUNS get Chris Bosh (tor) and Joey Graham (den)
RAPTORS get Nene (den), Balkman (den) and Jared Dudley (pho)
NUGGETS get Amare Stoudamire (pho) and Jaron Collins (pho)
Raptors get two guys that can certainly contribute in Nene and Dudley as well as a possible spark off the bench in Balkman.... which is all much better than losing Bosh for nothing.
Suns get Bosh who would probably be more content in Phoenix playing with Nash and a replacement backup to Dudley in Graham.
While this does not give us the BIG man we need, Amare is an upgrade over Nene and maybe K-Mart and Billups couple light a fire under his arse and get him rebounding and blocking shots like we know he can.
This would give us a starting lineup of;
Billups, Afflalo, Melo, Kmart, Amare... Not bad if you ask me... but would there be enough shots to go around?
What do you guys think?
Would certainly create waves if nothing else.
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raptors will not move bosh
amar’e stated today he will opt IN for next season. i would never trade nene for amar’e straight up. nene has his limitations but amar’e is a ball hog.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
No
Nene > Amare, if only for his defense. You think Nene has box out problems? Watch Amare every now and then. He gets his boards and his points but is a total defensive sieve.
Swats.
+1
Besides the fact that this is a horrible trade. The only reason Phoenix is shopping Amare is because he has the option of leaving and they will get nothing in return for his departure. So they are trying to leave the situation with at least something to show for it. If they trade and get Bosh then….then….they will be….in..the same….situation?
by GottaLoveMelo on Feb 4, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
Plus
remember Amare saying “I want to be the man”. As in he wants to be Kobe, LBJ, Dwade, Carmelo.
Thats why he’s talking about how he wouldnt mind going to New Jersey.
by GottaLoveMelo on Feb 4, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
-1
Why disrupt the chemistry of the team for a trade that is at best a push? Also, Stoudemire is a free agent after the season, so they would either have to give a massive contract or find a replacement. Bad idea all around.
You guys saying no to this are insane
It is a great deal for everybody involved if Amare and Bosh sign new contracts for the trade. Amare is 1000 times the player Nene is, as is Bosh. I wish the brass could pull this one off. I’d rather have Bosh on a new deal than Staudemire though…
So pay an extra $12 million
for Stoudemire over Nene? And add more years to how long they have to pay? Stoudemire will want a max contract, roughly $6 million more a year than Nene, plus the luxury tax? This would be the K-mart contract all over again. Boo.
Nene + Balkman
Equals roughly 13 million doesn’t it? What is a max deal for Staudemire? 16 mill or so? Nugs could make it work and they would be the elite team in the West for years. I know it is too hard to imagine something that only happens to the Lakers happening to the Nugs but we could hope couldn’t we? Kmart contract my ass by the way.
I'd rather have Nene against the Lakers as opposed to Stoudemire
Stoudemire is a great guy for a PF. Unfortunately, Kenyon stinks at center and we don’t have anybody else. By the way, Kenyon is closer to 6’8" than his listed 6’9".
And no f*cking way we trade KMart for Stoudemire.
I think
Amare is better than Nene, after all, look at the game last night. Amare looked like an All-Star, Nene looked like nothing.
Nene had 15 points on 6-11 shooting, Amar’e had 20 points on 8-14 shooting. Nene played 35 minutes, Amar’e played 33. Amar’e shot 4-4 from FT, Nene shot 3-4. NENE HAD 9 REBOUNDS, STOUDEMIRE HAD 17. Amar’e had 2 blocked shots (one swat one Nene that was thrown out of bounds), Nene had 0.
Look, as much as I hate to say it, Amar’e is the better player, but there is no way this trade goes down. The Nuggets won’t be willing to pay big time cash to Amar’e and Melo. Also, If Amar’e wanted to leave after this year he could.
Amar’e is better than Nene, but I don’t think he’s worth $6 mil on a contract, and about $12 mil including the tax.
by higgyhoops12 on Feb 4, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
Amare only had the rebound advantage.
Nene had 3 steals, that’s +1 in forced turnovers. their shooting % are about even. if the refs had bother to count how many seconds Amare, Lopez, and Admunson were camping in the lane, I’m pretty sure the rebound disparity would be negated.
by Joelsopinion on Feb 4, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
17 vs. 9
is a big difference. Amar’e out rebounded Nene no matter what you say. Also, if the refs weren’t calling it, why didn’t Nene camp out in the lane? Smart players adapt to officials and the way they’re calling the game. Nene also had two more minutes. FYI.
by higgyhoops12 on Feb 7, 2010 11:43 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously
People who think Nene is better than Amare, just listen to that statement. Nene is NOT better than Amare in any way. Last time I checked Nene wasn’t the best defensive player either people. I don’t know about this trade and if it even works, but if you would rather have Nene than Amare then I say you know nothing about basketball and you are blinded by your homerism.
Ok guys let's think this through
Amare is a better player than Nene, but basketball is a lot more about chemistry than talent. [See Shaq and the Super Lakers losing in the finals] Why does Amare want out of PHX? He’s got one of the top 5 point guards running things and a coach that let’s him shoot whenever he wants. He’s also been hamming it up on the court, not taking care of business like he can. He seems like a pre-madonna that wants to be center stage at all times. That aint happening here. Not with CB1 and Melo running the show.
Dude is a great talent, probably not so great teammate.
Maybe, but you really never know
All star players in the NBA seem to be very selfish and out to get theirs, it’s just the nature of the biz. And who’s to say we would have better chemistry with Nene that Amare? Like I said, you never really know until you try.
Nene's not better than Stoudemire
But he is better than Stoudemire, a huge long term contract, and an extra $12 million in payroll each season.
I’d much rather have Nene and another big that they trade for or sign this offseason for the mid-level exemption than Stoudemire alone. If they trade for Stoudemire now, no way they sign anyone in free agency.
GN, you want a guy the same size as Birdman starting at center?
And unlike Birdman he can’t block shots nearly as much as his athletic ability allows him to. He also plays matador defense. Watch Stoudemire play for an entire game, and you’ll know
I've watched Stoude playe entire games many, many times before
Being that the Suns are my second favorite team I have seen my share of Stoude and my conclusions are well thought out. Stoude is taller, or at least as tall as Nene too by the way.
by GoldenNugget on Feb 5, 2010 11:37 PM MST up reply actions
might be a good deal
Amare may not be as big as Nene, but at least Amare finishes in the paint and dunks the ball like a man. Nene is very skilled, but this finger-roll business has got to go… any good post defender in the western conference will toss that shit in the stands come playoff time.
lol I think Stoudemire taught him that last night.
I hope Nene learned his lesson.
by higgyhoops12 on Feb 4, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Nene is the Nugs weakest link as a rotation player in my opinion
I have been saying that since the end of the year last year. Nene seems to benefit from Nugs’ fans rose colored glasses however.
Agree with the thoughts on Nene being soft
i dont know if its just his personality or what…. but he is entirely too passive and relaxed he needs a mean streak which i think Amare has…. plus getting collins gives us six more fouls and rebounding off the bench…..
Amare might be better than Nene, BUT...
Think about the construct of this team. The Nuggs don’t need somone who can knock down 15 footers off the pick and roll. They need someone who can draw a defender on the roll, which Nene does.
He also plays with a lot more energy and fire than Amare. Does STAT ever even run the break for an easy bucket anymore? No. His entire offensive game is based on the halfcourt, and very rarely does he get easy garbage buckets anymore. With the halfcourt needing to run through Chauncey and Melo, there’s just no place for Amare.
Remember how the offensive motion used to screech to a halt whenever Marcus Camby would get the ball at the top of the key for a jumper that we all hoped and prayed would at least hit the backboard? Amare would be only a slight upgrade over that.
We’re not assembling a fantasy team here!
by 12-piece Nuggets on Feb 4, 2010 11:18 AM MST reply actions
Really?
Amare only slightly better than Camby on the offensive end? You can’t be serious, Amare is a very, very good offensive player…Camby is, well, not. I’m not saying the Nuggets need Amare, but he is a serious offensive improvement over Nene. The Nugs would score 130, and give up 128.
He is better on defense too
Just plays in a system that doesn’t encourage defense. Good try but Amare is 1000 times the player Nene ever will be on both ends of the floor.
Amare
is an absolute matador on defense, yes he had the nice block yesterday from the weakside but the guy has a track record of being a very very poor defender. Nene on the other hand is actually a quite good defender because of his quickness. For example last night Nene twice stole the ball (once while defending Nash i believe) and went coast to coast to finish with a thunderous jam. However, I do agree that anyone who thinks Nene is better then Amare overall is just silly
Gasus, you're playing a lost battle
STAT isn’t getting any better. His effort is average, his defense is horrid, his offense relies a good deal on Steve Nash, and he wants to be THE MAN. Nothing from Chauncey or Melo can change that. That’s why he is willing to go to the Nyets.
Actually...
Come to think of it, I’d give my arm for a Collins twin right now, since the FO doesn’t seem to be all that interested in acquiring another big man.
by 12-piece Nuggets on Feb 4, 2010 11:20 AM MST reply actions
this makes no sense
Why would the Raps trade an all-star for Nene, his lower ppg and rpg and injury history? Why would Denver trade Nene when they need to add a 4th big for depth? The Nene vs Stoudemire argument is interesting but I think irrelevant. Toronto wants young talent and picks for Bosh and can easily get both from other teams. This trade is a non-starter.
by adub on Feb 4, 2010 8:41 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Terrible
Anybody who has watched Stoudemire knows that he ranges between terrible and absolutely horrid on defense. Also, his stats are inflated by Steve Nash. And he replaces a quiet guy with a ball-hog who is even more me-first than many other player
Stat's not the right guy for the Nuggets,
But you guys really need to get over the whole Maybyner “upside” Hilario thing. He has got to be one of the softest 6’11" 260 bigs to ever play. This is his peak, he is a 14 and 8 player in a 24 and 12 body. The guy should be dominating the league with that frame, but he just doesn’t have that “it” factor. He doesn’t have a burning desire to be a great basketball player. He’s that big dude that got thrown into hoops when he was younger because he was tall. The guy would much rather be playing futbol. Nene’s softness can be summed up with him getting the ball on the right block with Channing Frye (who looks like he should be playing for East) guarding him and not being able to go “man’s game” on him and score. Do you guys watch how he barely gets above the rim when he dunks. Thats why he’s always doing those hideous lay-ups that drive me insane. The guy is top heavy. He can’t jump, he’s soft and this is as good as it gets with Maybyner. Good rid of him while he still has some value. At this point I would trade him for 2 tickets, 2 coors lights, a parking pass, and a Birdman T. Nene will be retired for 5 years and Nuggets fans will stil be talking about his upside. :-) Sorry, but Nene frustrates the hell out of me!!!
It’s a shame that the FO didn’t make a move for David Lee last summer when we were all screaming for them to make a run at him. Lee would look so nice with our squad right now and we wouldn’t be worried about adding another big.
Brandon Kite
While I don't want to shake things up by moving Nene
I think you’re right. This is probably the ceiling for him. I hope I’m wrong. As evidence that is heart is not in the game, he has stated he intends to retire once his contract is up.
by Artimus Mangilord on Feb 6, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions
were #2 in the west
when nene understands that he is a beast id take him over any big man, quick hands, strong build and punishing dunks. It’s always interesting to get trade talk going and its easy to get lost in it but were SECOND in the west and we’ve beat the two best teams in the association everytime we’ve played them. Although that first game against the fakers was without PAU (read as: giant homeless man and one of the softest centers you’ll find) we beat them at home infront of their faker fans with out melo and with kobe strokin. At the start of the season i was pretty pissed that Karl didnt want to make any changes and was all about continuity, but there is definitely something to it so i have to give him credit (even though it may be more the luxury tax than genius management) but still gotta love the team the way it is
J.R. smeez and salutations to all my thugget brothers
by bri ki ki ki bridman on Feb 6, 2010 11:12 AM MST reply actions
LOL
You would take Nene over any big. HA HA. He has been the Nugs weakest link out of the rotation players this year in my opinion.
lol alllright maybe i got a little too tipsy on the nene kool aid but in more realistic terms if nene can understand how good he is he is better than any big man that could realistically be traded for him with out costing an arm and a leg
by bri ki ki ki bridman on Feb 8, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
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