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The re-awakening of J.R. Smith continues... (Nuggets/Kings recap)

76915_kings_nuggets_basketball_medium_mediumMost fortunately for our Nuggets, they don't have to play the Kings again this season and there is absolutely NO chance of them facing Sacramento in the postseason.

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For the NBA haters out there who claim you don't have to watch an NBA game until the fourth quarter, tonight's contest gave you another example to point to.  Perhaps predictably, the Nuggets came out sluggish in the first half, presumably got an earful from head coach George Karl at halftime and put forth a solid, although weak on defensive rebounding, effort in the second half that ultimately led to an overtime win.  Karl must have gotten the troops riled up at halftime, because Nuggets assistant coach Larry Mangino emphatically "guaranteed" a better, more energetic second half during his halftime interview with Altitude's Maya Starks.  

It just so happened that the energy was prevalent on the offensive end of the floor only, with one glaring exception: J.R. Smith.  If you didn't watch the game and only read the box score, you'll assume that J.R. had another off night offensively, as he shot just 4-13 from the floor and missed all seven of his three-point attempts.  What you wouldn't know is that J.R. made three of the biggest defensive plays of the game, including two huge steals in crunch time in addition to drawing an offensive foul that killed a two-on-one Kings fast break earlier in the game, a play that Altitude's Chris Marlowe correctly pointed out "was the best defensive play of J.R.'s career."  And sure to make the "best of" reel for the season was J.R.'s thunderous, emphatic, spectacular 180-degree dunk on the Kings' Omri Casspi (pictured above).  It was as if J.R. was unleashing weeks of frustration on the rookie.  I suspect Casspi's competition in Israel didn't prepare him for a dunk like that (I've played basketball for years with Israelis, by the way...crafty, smart, dead eye shooters...but no hops).

I won't accept (nor is anyone giving me) one morsel of credit for re-awakening J.R. a week ago after publishing my "J.R.'s nine lives may be up" column in reaction to the suspension that never happened.  I was late to join the "we should trade J.R. now!" bandwagon that had been building up on this site and elsewhere, and then was followed by a number of people in the "mainstream" Denver sports media who vehemently called for J.R.'s departure soon after my column went up.

But whether it was the media pressure, Karl himself, perhaps the Nuggets organization, his teammates, whomever, it doesn't really matter.  The bottom line is someone got to J.R. Smith soon after we called him out here and his last four performances - including during the Nuggets blowout loss at Oklahoma City - have been well rounded, solid outings.  I'm still not sold on any team winning a championship when J.R. Smith is one of the top five players on the squad, but if J.R. can sustain this level of production perhaps I can change my mind.  We'll let this play out.

Back to tonight's game...

Nate and I were talking midway through the third quarter about our upcoming Denver Stiffs event this Friday (that's a tease...more info to come shortly...but here's a suggestion: get your Friday night schedule open now!) and I was about five minutes behind the live action.  The Nuggets were just starting to make their third-quarter run, and I joked with Nate that I can probably turn my TV off knowing exactly how the game would play out.  

Cue the third quarter come back.  Check.  

Cue the Nuggets going ahead in the fourth quarter.  Check.  

Cue the Nuggets taking careless jump shots after taking the lead rather than pounding it inside to seal the victory.  Check.

Cue the (vastly inferior) opposing team getting easy looks around the rim and tying the game.  Check.

Cue the Nuggets winning anyway but making everyone stay at Pepsi Center longer than they really wanted to.  Check.

As my uncle Marty said to me after the game: "the Nuggets must be pretty good if they can play like that and win anyway."

Check.

Let's move on to worrying about the Suns, Lakers and Jazz this week because there's no sense in trying to figure out why the Kings almost won at Pepsi Center tonight.  Simply put, the Kings had the Nuggets number this year and fortunately, we don't have to play them again.  (I can't believe I'm saying this about the Kings.) 

Non-Stiff of the Night

-Kenyon Martin: Just another night at the office for "The Real K-Mart" whose 24/12 performances are starting to feel normal.  The only thing that pisses me off when watching K-Mart is that I wasn't smart enough to pick him up off waivers in my fantasy league when Melo went down!

-Jon Brockman: I know my fellow Stiffs are sick of me bringing up Brockman, but an 11/11 with four offensive boards?  I'm just sayin'.  We even learned about his new nickname: the Brockness Monster (which Marlowe attributed accurately to the Lock Ness Monster and then inaccurately said resides in "Ireland"...it's Scotland, Marlowe, everyone knows that).

Stiff of the Night

-Kevin Martin: "The Other K-Mart" lived up to my pre-game scouting report flagging him as a King Stiff.  5-17 shooting and an awkward attempt to draw a foul on "The Real K-Mart" at the end of overtime was further proof that the Kings likely aren't thrilled about mini K-Mart's audacious contract.

Opposition's Take: Sactown Royalty

Photo courtesy of AP Photos: David Zalubowski

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Good recap.

Even better game.

I mean, it is hard as a fan to be happy about your favorite team playing like #$^% for the first two and a half quarters, but as a fan of basketball and close games, you have to enjoy the ride and spectacle of an OT game.

The Nuggets looks flat and tired. But something said to them in the locker room found them digging into their reserves to gut out a win against a pesky Kings squad.

I’m really eager to see Melo back. But it’s been great to see Kenyon step on on offense.

I can’t be the only one who isn’t surprised at all that JR has bounced back?

Andrew: making you can write a column calling out Nené to shake him out of his slump?

Peace.

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by Fly Agaric on Feb 2, 2010 12:36 AM MST reply actions  

Have to disagree about recap quality

Sorry, but did Andrew even watch the game? I rarely post, but have been following Andrew and Nate since long before the two sites merged.

The Nuggets won this game in the second half with defense, plain and simple. Giving up 35 points in a half should never be called putrid, regardless of the situation.

As for JR, tonight was really no different than he’s been for most of this year. His defensive effort has been much improved throughout this year, and I’ve never supported his trade, except for something special in return. The only difference in tonight’s game, as opposed to when everyone was calling for his head, was his shot selection was solid. Was his play tonight (4-13, 2 reb, 2 ast, 2 stls) really that much different than a couple weeks ago? I don’t think so, and it seems it has more to do with perception, and a need for stories than anything else.

A couple other things: I noticed that you gave no credit to JR himself for this “re-awakening”, though you mentioned yourself several times. Also, it’s generally never a good idea to stereotype players based on their ethnicity, though sometimes there’s a little truth to it. Saying basically that “Isralis can’t jump”, based on one NBA player and limited personal evidence, is just silly.

by cessair on Feb 2, 2010 1:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Silly but funny...

…I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to make sarcastic jokes here at DS. Agreed that I shouldn’t have called the defense “putrid”…I was actually referring to the lack of box outs which isn’t technically defense. I’ll fix that…my bad…

Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com

by Andrew Feinstein on Feb 2, 2010 1:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Wasn’t trying to attack you in any way Andrew (well maybe a little), so take no offense. This particular article just got stuck in my craw, so I tried to pick it apart as much as possible. Please continue to be a sarcastic SOB, as I usually find you quite funny, and wasn’t personally offended at all. Utmost respect for everything you and Nate have done.

by cessair on Feb 2, 2010 1:20 AM MST up reply actions  

No worries!

And I didn’t take it that way – just messing with you back. Thanks for being a longtime reader…I know you’ve followed us for years now!

Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com

by Andrew Feinstein on Feb 2, 2010 7:41 AM MST up reply actions  

To be honest

I think we should all just be happy we finally beat the Kings and move on from the sordid mess….no analysis needed. lol

"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2

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by jpage78 on Feb 2, 2010 12:44 AM MST reply actions  

too confident?

I think that the Nuggets came out slow tonight because their confidence is at a season high. They are ranked at #3 in the espn power rankings. They have won 9 of their last 10 games. Chauncey is playing out of his mind, the best ball of his career. K-Mart is insane. All of this success with Melo out. So the lowly Kings come to town, and who really thinks the Nuggets are going to lose? The Nuggets players are so confident that they can put together a run towards the end of the game to beat anybody, especially the Kings. And with Chauncey playing as he has, I can understand why they are so confident. But we won’t always be able to overcome a 17 point deficit and win games. The Nuggets need to get a killer instinct, a Kobe-style win-at-all-costs-we-want-to-be-champions instinct that allows them to put away sub-500 teams easily. Never let them even have a chance. As long as we have this confident attitude that we can pull off games in the last 5-10 minutes of the game, we won’t play with the killer, dominant attitude we need to challenge the Lakers. Just my two cents.

by nuggzfan on Feb 2, 2010 1:10 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

10 player rotation

paid off in the 4th quarter and overtime. denver follows the game plan at he start they would not have to play in overtime. 3 of the past 7 games have gone to overtime. coach karl was pushing all of the buttons. ac played and there was a 3 point guard offense. the only thing better then that would be double elimination in the mens ncaa basketball tournament. denver was killed on the boards 48 to 33, shot 68% from the free throw line and 4 for 21 from 3 point land.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Feb 2, 2010 1:14 AM MST reply actions  

Karl gets kudos for playing AC...

in the third quarter. Billups and Karl credited AC for providing the third quarter spark for re-inspired defense and turning the game around. How many here would have given Carter minutes in the third quarter?

by margabelle on Feb 2, 2010 6:48 AM MST up reply actions  

No Way

Carter should’ve stayed on the bench and Graham stayed on. There’s a reason he’s 3rd string PG.

by CSprings_Tommy on Feb 2, 2010 8:33 AM MST up reply actions  

-101

You guys gotta be kidding. Take them hate shades off your eyes and see what AC did. Dude was a great spark off of the bench. He did not play a lot of minutes, but when everyone else was dragging their heels, AC was running around on both ends of the court. HATERS

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

+101

AC doesn’t always play well, but he was exactly what they needed last night.

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

My point exactly

I’m no huge AC fan, but I can’t kick him when he’s playing well. He was what we needed last night. Tomorrow night it might be Balkman? Yeah I’m diluted with positivity.

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

You guys have a weird definition of "played well"...

This is what I saw of AC:

 * Almost missed the rim on a 3 point shot where they left him wide open on purpose
 * Steals the ball (alright, great play AC), runs down the court, looks scared to finish the layup, goes up for the layup, bobbles the ball, and then blows the layup.
 * 5 +/ for the game…one of the few Nuggets who was – for the game, including Joey Graham.
 
I would argue that Ty Lawson was the spark we needed rather than AC.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Your points aren't too valid

Did anyone shoot 100% last night? Ummm No. AC did miss shots just like everyone else that played. He did not have poor shot selection either. I’m not singing the dude’s praise or calling for a change but I’m not going to ignore the fact that his hustle on D seemed to push the other guys to hustle too. I’m bashing Ty either. I’m just saying that I noticed a difference when AC was inserted. It probably aint the trick for every game, but last night it seemed to work.

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Here's the problem with AC's shot selection...

AC’s effective field goal percentage is 43%, his true shooting percentage isn’t much better. This means that every single shot that AC shoots is a bad shot.

The other implication of AC being on the floor is that the other team doesn’t need to guard him. A wide open AC shot is a great result of a possession for the opposing team. This makes our offense really really inefficient because Melo is facing double teams, the lane is clogged up, etc.

Yeah, he hustled, helped create a couple turnovers, but net-net, we didn’t really close the gap or take the lead until Lawson was inserted in the game. I’d argue everything that Lawson could do everything AC could do, only better, so, that begs the question, why even play AC?

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

It's even worse...

When you consider his shooting percentage when he’s not getting a layup (not to mention he misses an abnormal amount of layups).

Layups Made: 14
Layup Attempts: 23
Precent of Layups Made 0.608695652173913
Percent of Shots That Are Layups: 0.211009174311927

3pt Made: 12
3pt Attempts: 40
Precent of 3pts Made 0.3
Percent of Shots That Are 3’s: 0.36697247706422

Mid Range Shots Made: 15
Mid Range Shot Attempts: 46
Precent of Mid Range Shots Made 0.326086956521739
Percent of Shots That Are Mid Range: 0.422018348623853

Dunks Made: 0
Dunk Attempts: 0
Percent Dunks Made NaN
Percent of Shots That Are Dunks: 0.0

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not gonna argue his season or even carreer stats

Cuz we all know that road very well. Just saying that before AC was inserted, all of the momentum seemed to be going the direction of the Kings. Whether it’s chance or an intangible element of AC’s game I don’t know.

You asked “Why even play AC?” Well when the normal game plan isn’t working you have to change it up. I’m assuming Karl saw that his line ups weren’t working as he planned so he figured ‘What the hell? It couldn’t hurt us.’ and it didn’t.

Does one game absolve AC of the now infamous “INBOUNDS PLAY”? No, but it doesn’t hurt that last night he played smart.

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

why play ac

he put in 16 minutes. add that to the total of the other guards in the game. denver played overtime. billups had 45+ minutes at san antonio. ac had 5 assists. billups started the game 1 for 13 from the field. when ac was taken out of the game he did not leave the court. he stayed on the bench, was involved with his teammates and was ready if the coaches needed him again.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Feb 2, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Like I've said before..

I’m fine if George Karl likes AC’s veteran presence and his enthusiasm. You can get all these benefits without playing the guy…I mean, he can stay involved with his teammates, cheer them on and lead from the bench.

I’m even fine if he plays a few minutes a game in a 3rd PG role. I’m just not fine with him playing a significant role.

I said before this offseason this team needed 4 things to happen to make a big run at the championship. JR Smith to start so that Dahntay Jones wouldn’t…we did great here in getting Arron Afflalo (I’m fine with Afflalo starting as he brings something to the table). Sign a suitable backup point guard so that AC isn’t playing significant minutes. I was ecstatic when we got Lawson as I thought him, DeJuan Blair, and Blake Griffin were the best 3 players in the draft. Carmelo to step it up…which he has. Finally, we needed our bigs to stay healthy and to sign some big man depth, whether that be Brandon Bass, Marcin Gortat, or drafting a guy in the 2nd round…I wasn’t happy when we passed on Blair. We failed on the last one.

If the sole difference between last year’s team is Afflalo getting Jone’s minutes and Lawson getting AC’s minutes, this team is going to be a contender…which we’ve seen so far this year.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Source..

It’s my own NBA database containing every single NBA play so far this year and also for the past 3 years

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Nevermind

I read below that you’ve built queries using espn data

by Artimus Mangilord on Feb 2, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Stats are great

But they don’t tell the whole picture, unless your database measures effort. If you check my previous posts I’ve been just as hard on AC as the next guy. But because of how hard I’ve been on him, I thought that he earned some cred last night. No one is asking him to put up Kobe Bryant like numbers — at least, not without receiving Kobe Bryant like pay.
Listen, the guy is making league minimum and played 14 solid minutes off the bench. That’s a WIN for the Nuggets organization.

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Effort is great...

I try hard..doesn’t mean I should play for the Nuggets. The women in the WNBA try hard…have you seen how hard they play from the first jump ball to the ending buzzer? Does that mean they should be on a professional basketball team getting minutes? Probably not.

The guy is making the NBA minimum because no other NBA team even considered signing him!

That being said, I understand your point. For some reason I can’t get the bobbled wide open layup out of my head :(

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

whoa wait....the women do play professionally in their own league

let’s not go there

2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3

PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

actually you know what

there are some women players in the WNBA who just might make an NBA roster…..

2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3

PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 2, 2010 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

ha...

This is one instance where I’ll give AC the benefit of the doubt. I can say that he would beat out every player in the WNBA for an NBA roster spot.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Also...

My problem isn’t necessarily with his play last night. It’s the larger implications of the situation. Karl is now going to be like, I told you we play better with AC in there! While AC has largely been relegated to the bench this year, he may start getting more minutes, which is something both you and I don’t want to see because, while he might have played alright last night (which I don’t think he did), he makes our team much worse on average.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

+1000

Could you imagine if GK got an idea from this site too? LOL, you never know…

by Gasus on Feb 2, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

GK..

I’d be happy if someone told him that it’s ok to get 2 for 1’s at the end of quarters and not waste extra possessions. It just drives me nuts how with 36 seconds on the clock we don’t get a shot off until 18 seconds or so, wasting an extra possession.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I haven't noticed that too much

Maybe I haven’t been looking for it though…

by Gasus on Feb 2, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I have seen plenty of 2-1 attempts from the Nugs

I always am very keen on getting 2-1 so I pay a good amount of attention to if a team does or not. At the same time it is better to get an easy shot with 18 secs left then take a wild and dumb shot with 30 left.

March 14, 2010: The great one returns!

by Phil H. on Feb 2, 2010 5:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Hhmm...

I’ve been watching for this all year and have seen almost all the Nuggets games and rarely see it.

Let me see if I can figure out a way to quantify this.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 5:40 PM MST up reply actions  

oh God, no more stats please

March 14, 2010: The great one returns!

by Phil H. on Feb 2, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh yes, more geekery!

Total possessions with between 26 and 47 seconds left in the half: 193
Total two for ones realized: 35
Total Nuggets Plays < 47s and > 26s left in quarter: 355

The Nuggets get a 2 for 1 on 18% of total 2 for 1 opportunities.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions  

do you follow baseball?

because really you would be in statgeek heaven!!!

2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3

PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 3, 2010 1:25 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't run it correctly...

I guess we’re not as horrible as I thought. We’re 29/66 possessions where we got the ball with less than 36 seconds left and shot before 24 seconds.

By comparison, LA got a 2 for 1 on 24 out of 57 opportunities.

SAS: 32 of 73

GSW: 39 of 84

I retract my previous statement and I’ll never complain about the Nuggets not going for 2 for 1’s again.

I always thought LA and SA did a great job of getting 2 for 1’s. Also, notice how many more opportunities GS had because of the pace they play.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 9:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Whew

Soon as I saw in the game comments thread this afternoon that Melo was not a sure bet to play, I started worrying about this one. I had figured if he was back and had fresh legs tonight, he’d carry the load and win the game for the Nugs.

It has been frustrating watching the struggles with the Kings this season, but all 3 games were the 2nd of back-to-backs. I had hoped that it would make some difference tonight that yesterday’s game was in the morning, giving the Nugs plenty of time to fly home and get a full night’s rest. But then Chauncey logged 45 minutes. So I really hoped Melo would be the guy tonight.

I’m just relieved they found a way to pull this one out.

by ParkHillNative on Feb 2, 2010 1:29 AM MST reply actions  

what a horrible game

i ditched my first class to watch it. and that was the best idea iv’e had in a while. as disgusting as this win was, i will keep it down, if only because the lakers loss makes it even sweeter.

5280 or fight!!!!!

by stardate armageddon on Feb 2, 2010 1:36 AM MST reply actions  

3 point guard lineup?

Please George, lets not start this again..If you must play AC give him a few minutes here and there to rest Chauncey. But all three of our point guards at the same time? KAAAHHHN!

by gonugs on Feb 2, 2010 4:25 AM MST reply actions  

Painful

No idea why he played almost the entire game with a three guard lineup. I was yelling at the TV as they were going down by 15. Somehow, it worked in the second half and they won.

No Melo. Second game of a back to back. Weird three guard rotation. They won, so good job. But a very frustrating game to watch.

by KarlSucks on Feb 2, 2010 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I was mad when ...

Karl took out Lawson. Why break what was working? Lawson was the reason we had something going offensively and took the lead in the 4th

by Colsportsfan on Feb 2, 2010 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Exactly...

Why take out a guy who has been one of the most efficient players in the NBA this season. A guy who creates easy baskets, plays good defense, and does all sorts of good things. You’ll notice whenever Ty Lawson comes in we make a run…

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

good thing we won

i missed the second half tho….. i was so mad when karl put billups at SF!!!! really?!!

so from what i saw we did bad the first half, and i read we did well the 2nd half, so at least we got the win….

btw its weird highlights arent up on nba.com

i saw some espn but thats it

by hvino on Feb 2, 2010 5:01 AM MST reply actions  

That's the Stern Job for ya

I missed the Sunday game against the Spurs and didn’t see any highlights or recaps on ESPN. They only talked Superbowl and Kobe’s buzzer beater. Then they gave LBJ his required 15 minutes of air time for beating up on a weaker team.

If the Nuggets win the title this year I’m pretty sure it will be overshadowed by an Ocho-Cinco interview saying he’s changing his name or he has a new TD dance he’s saving. That or Tiger Woods release from sex rehab, and return to PGA action. (I can’t believe I just tyoed PGA action)
Bottom line Nuggets still get no love.

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Let's not forget FavreWatch 2010

2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3

PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 2, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Geez thanks for the painful reminder

Bret Favre is the most over rated American of all time. there’s no other way to put it. I hate ESPN

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

well just sayin...

FavreWatch 2010 will trump EVERYTHING

2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3

PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 2, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm just sayin

that I’m surprised that Favre Watch 2010 was not mentioned in the State of the Union Address last week.

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

this!

2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3

PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 2, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Re-Awakening...questionable

I watched the entire game from tip-off to finish…I have to agree with cessair. Pretty typical game for JR Smith. He’s Defense has improved all year, had a couple decent drives, shot 0-7 from 3 point. Seems about right for the ‘09-’10 JR/Earl Smith. But like I said earlier, I’m not going to bash/suggest trading JR anymore. His play speaks volumes.
The true hero of the night (and possibly the season) is Kenyon Martin.
He is the Real K-MART. That other guy for the Kings is a flopping Manu Ginobli wannabe…
Martin is the real deal. Significant plays of the game:
Nene makes a bone-head play with a minute left in regulation and takes it out from underneath the basket, and throws right to Sacramento. After the Kings score, K-Mart rips the ball out of the Nuggets players hand, saying I’LL TAKE IT OUT!
Another great play:
With 5 seconds left in OT, every player is jostling for position, while K-Mart and the Kings player gets ready for the jump ball. Kenyon wins the tip and puts it right to AA (where Hastings said he should go). AA knocks down the game winner
K-Mart almost pulled a Melo in the 4th quarter, after making 2 great scores, Carl wanted to substitute him for Bird. Kenyon clearly did not want to come out of the game, but not wanting to pull a Melo and get suspended, he begrudgingly came out of the game.
24 points, 12 boards, the best defender on the Team. Keep kicking ass Kenyon. It’s a pleasure to watch!

by CSprings_Tommy on Feb 2, 2010 8:51 AM MST reply actions  

RE: JR

Yes, JRs defense has been improving, but when he was in the shooting slump he was sulking and not putting in any effort. He didn’t work to get over/under/through screens and didn’t run out at shooters. The second his man got a step on him, he looked for a big to help and stood and watched. He complained to the officials, he complained to his teammates, and he just didn’t have the attitude to win.
Last night he had the perfect storm to start sulking again. He wasn’t making his shots, he was getting beat on back-screens and he had a couple turnovers. But then it looked like he said, “enough is enough” and started putting in the effort to turn the game around. I don’t remember which game it was where I finally said “Trade JR” but if you go back and watch JR’s defense in that game, his rotation, his awareness, and his effort — and then rewatch last night’s second half, rotations, awareness, and effort — you’ll see EXACTLY what I’m talking about.
I’ve never been serious about trading JR, I’ve refuted the idea of trading him for a big man time and time again, and I doubt there is another 2-guard that would give us JRs promise, but there are times when he just frustrates the hell out of me because I know how well he can play!

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Typical Brilliant move

on the behalf of the Coach of the month. What a fruggin joke. CB1 should get the acknowledgement
Why take Kmart out when he was in a zone?
I was reading where someone was stating in a post that GK doesn’t understand pace. This has never been more evident than last night.
And AC starting the second half. Please. Graham should have started.
 When ever AC gets into the game the opposing team either catches up or extends their lead.

by samdman on Feb 2, 2010 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

GK loves to take out guys

right when they’re starting to feel it. That’s been my gripe with him for the past 4 seasons.

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

GK did have a terrible game last night

Worst of his season so far. I was texting my buddy that if the Nugs lost this one it would be on GK. Terrible sub of Kmart, too much AC, and WAY too much Nene. Bird should have been in for Nene at the end of this one as he is slowly becoming the Nugs weakest link…

Where I am emphatically against you is in getting rid of GK though. He has had his best year by far this year and getting rid of him would cause way too much chaos. You never know whether a new system will work with the team the Nugs have. The best way to coach them is probably a hands off approach like Karl takes due to all the volatile attitudes on the team. Look to the Sonics post GK and think if you would like to see that in Denver before you advocate for his head on a stick next time is all I ask….

by Gasus on Feb 2, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

JR to me is still not playing very well....

at least offensively. It seems like his shots behind the arc are not falling in anymore.

by Colsportsfan on Feb 2, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Everyone has slumps

It’s one thing if you’re missing turn-around jumpers while double-teamed or one-footed three-point heaves versus a straight-up inside-out 3-ball that goes in and out. You live with slumps when the player is trying to make the easy shots and putting in effort on both sides of the ball.

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

+1

He had been shooting better the last few games too. At least he doesn’t put up 25 or 30 shots when he is cold like someone I know…

by Gasus on Feb 2, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

3x on the second night of back to back . .

Can make you look bad. Strange scheduling quirk. I could see the Kings giving the Nugs trouble with Evans, but two of the games he sat.

On the other hand, Billups starting the game 1-13, JR missing all his threes and no ‘Melo, you have to expect the team to be down big at that point. Anytime, a team’s top three offensive players start the game something like 1-20 and finish 10 for 39, it is going to be hard to win. Law of averages eventually caught up to Billups – you can’t expect a 50% 3 pt shooting to go on for the remainder of theseason.

by Frontrange on Feb 2, 2010 9:01 AM MST reply actions  

Oh one other note . .

You have to give the Kings credit for playing outstanding Free Throw line defense again. . . another 12 missed FTs . .we shot 57% and missed 15 FT in that first game.

by Frontrange on Feb 2, 2010 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

JR, Chauncey, AC, AA, Lawson, Melo and the Bigs.

I’ll say the same thing I’ve said since the beginning. JR can do whatever he wants on the offensive side of the ball AS LONG AS HE HUSTLES ON DEFENSE! Last night his offensive output was poor, but was more than made up for with his defensive hustle (in the second half). I’m fine with him scoring only 9 points on 12 shots (terribly inefficient) because he played smart, HUSTLE defense. This was by far, JR’s best half of basketball in my opinion, and yes, I’ve watched his two games where he dropped 10 3-pointers and all the others as well.
Chauncey looked tired last night. That’s what happens when you play 45 minutes in one game and then 41 the very next night. I realize that Melo has been out and Smooth has been lights out, but that is WAY too many minutes. I like the 3-guard rotation, it helps the spacing on the floor on the offensive end and they all play hustle defense, but Chauncey needs to rest. I would rather he plays only 35 minutes a game.
AC came in and played his heart out. He showed why Karl has confidence in him, he forced three turnovers in the first 5 minutes of the second half and if the bigs would have been running we would have cut into the lead that much faster. Props to AC, I know I’ve laid into him for his bad games so I want everyone to know that AC helped to change the game last night. I was actually disappointed that he didn’t get any 4th quarter minutes.
Afflalo has been playing out of his mind. He’s been getting called for ticky-tack fouls but he’s been playing great defense — which makes his offensive output like, what did Hastings say last night, buttered popcorn? He’s been huge.
Lawson. That kid can play. It was nice to see him be more aggressive last night. I really felt that was what was holding him back in the last few games. He hadn’t been driving to the basket and when he did he wasn’t looking for his shot. Last night he went in looking for his shot, and when he started making them, it opened up passing lanes that the little guy didn’t miss. In Lawson we trust. Go at ‘em, go at ’em, and go at ’em again. Sometimes you get blocked, sometimes you don’t, but that kind of aggressive play is a game-changer.
I’m looking forward to Melo coming back, many games just seem easier for the Nuggets when he’s there. At the same time, I think some of the other guys get lazy and rest when Melo has the ball. If there’s anything we should take from the Kings game it’s that moving without the ball, ie back-screens and rolling to the basket, gets EZ Bucketz. Melo has had a few games now to really watch his guys and see where they like their shots. I hope that he encourages his teammates to play just as hard when he’s in there, and rewards them likewise with the smart pass. We all know that Melo is one of the best passers in the league. I tell you what, 30 points per game may get you the scoring title, but 28-8-8 will get you MVP.
The Bigs. I shouldn’t lump the three of them in the same pot because…. Okay, I won’t. Nene and Bird, what can I say? I don’t know if they’re gassed or what, but they’re not playing with the same intensity that we’ve seen from them. Bird had a nice block and an offensive rebound or two late in the game last night, but continues to be out of position on defense, giving up the easy bucket AND the offensive rebound. On the offense I love how he goes for the rebound, but that’s no excuse for not being ready for the pass.
Nene has been too timid. He gets the ball and the first thought in his head is “pass.” For some guys, that’s a great first thought to have. For Nene, I want his first thought to be “I’m fucking Godzilla and anyone in my way is just a japanese tourist.” Come’on Nene, POUND THE ROCK!
And finally, KMart for President. Lips has been absolutely KILLING IT on both ends of the floor. It’s not just one double-double. It’s 12 and 15, 27 and 11, 24 and 12. It’s no Brockman (who I would LOVE to see in a Nuggs uniform) 11 and 11. It’s efficient, it’s pretty, it gets the job done. If KMart doesn’t win player of the week (3 Nuggs in a row???) it will be because the league has their head up their ass. KMart. 2012. He’ll drop a double-double on the economy AND fix the deficit! Now THAT’S bipartisan!

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 9:06 AM MST reply actions  

I'm not sure that AC is noteworthy of your accalades

He winds up with a +/- of -5. So typical of the opposing team to take advantage of the Nuggets and the four on five scenario that is presented when AC is in the game

by samdman on Feb 2, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

What the Nuggets lacked last night was not talent.

It was effort. AC brought that with gusto. Sure, he missed shots - but he also had 3 awesome assists that helped get his team going, and had hands in the right places. When he started forcing turnovers the Kings started to get frustrated. It was at that moment, down by 14 that I turned to my wife and told her that we were going to win.
I HATE when Karl plays AC at the same as Melo. The fact that Melo already commands a double-team with 4 other scorers on the floor means that there is even less offensive pressure with AC out there. But every once in a while he provides a boost for the team and gets them running. Sometimes that’s worth more than the +/
in his limited minutes.

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

AC is not a good basketball player

Maybe once in 20 games he will put up a good one but not last night. His +/- was negative because he was in the game when the Kings were the better team! He was on the floor for losing minutes and those losing minutes may be directly attributable to him. Please stop the I love AC bullshit because the only time we need to see him on the floor is in the second of a back to back when a 1, 2, or 3 regular rotation player is hurt (like last night). And when that happens, we still need to see very limited minutes for the one man turnover.

by Gasus on Feb 2, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

One-man turnover.

That’s funny. AC had 5 assists last night with ZERO turnovers. I’m not in love with AC, but he was running when no one else was.

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

like i said...

I SWEAR AC has been sitting on that bench thinking about his game.I hate to tell you this sportsfans, but this is a somewhat different AC. This is a guy who went from starter to 3rd string. I do not believe he likes the bench. And, when he gets a chance he puts out 100%.

But, it is easier to hate the guy

by spokenwar on Feb 2, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL at the one man turnover comment...

This is AC for this year:

Anthony Carter Bad Passes or Lost Balls: 22 out of 242 or 9.09090909090909%

Out of 242 plays that he was involved in that show up in ESPN play by play data, 9% of them are bad passes or lost balls. I’d like to say that this number is an anomaly but that’s about par for him for his whole career.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 1:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't have a league average...

But I’ve run the same stat for multiple guys. For example, here’s Chauncey’s so far this season (it’s way higher this year than it is traditionally):

62 out of 1079 or 5.74606116774791%

Here’s Ty Lawson:

Bad Passes or Lost Balls: 25 out of 608 or 4.11184210526316%

The guy simply doesn’t turn the ball over often.
If you want, I’ll run it for whoever else you want. I tend to think Raymond Felton turns the ball over a lot so I can run his too.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I was just curious

I’d never heard of that stat before. I tend not to rely on them heavily. That’s pretty interesting though. You’d think that a turnover vs posession would be readily available because of all of the fantasy league guys out there.

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not a standard stat...

It’s a custom query that is generated from my personal PBP database containing every NBA play from the season.

There’s tons of other queries we can create and generate that you won’t find elsewhere…for example, how many of AC’s shots get blocked, how many traveling violations, fouls broken down into offensive and defensive fouls, clutch stats, adjusted lineup stats, etc.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

A stiff event would be scary

People get way intense about things.

I’m afraid someone would want to punch me for my non-hate of Anthony Carter.

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by Fly Agaric on Feb 2, 2010 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Doubt it

But most of us would probably laugh at your audacity and enjoy putting a face to all the ridiculousness. LOL, kind of joking around but kind of serious at the same time…

by Gasus on Feb 2, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

perhaps its okay if I am unable to attend

as I am not an AC hater either….

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PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 2, 2010 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I say we all just punch each other in the face

It’ll break the tension real quick, then we could enjoy the Stiff’s Night Out or whatever Andy & nate have planned. Who knows it could lead to a Stiff’s fiht club…Damn it I already broke the first two rules.

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

/punch

2009 Colorado Rockies - Greatest comeback in MLB history to win NL WildCard
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3

PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 2, 2010 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL

Keep a stiff upper lip, Joelsopinion

by Artimus Mangilord on Feb 2, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

As a Kings fan

I think its hilarious that you would call Martin’s contract bad. Over the past two years, only 4 Shooting Guards have had a PER greater than Martin. Yet he’s only the 68th highest paid player in the NBA. His contract is very reasonable for a player of his caliber. He’s making 9.8 million this year. If the Kings wanted to move Martin, they could do it very easily.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 2, 2010 9:53 AM MST reply actions  

But they don't want to move him.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 2, 2010 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Chauncey does the same thing...

But when Billups does it it’s called being “crafty.”

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

By the way...

I’ve been very impressed with the Kings this year. They’ve got a good crop of young talent in Evans, Brockman, and Casspri. This obviously isn’t your year but you’re not too far off. Hang in there.

by NuggBuckets on Feb 2, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks

I wish the schedule had been more even in talent distribution though. We “shocked” everyone early in the year by playing about .500 ball for the first couple months, but the teams playing us weren’t as good and we had more home games. In January we had a ridiculous schedule, coinciding with teams rookie slumps. Ah well. It’s definitely been a better year than last year.

Congrats on your win, and beat the crap out of the Lakers in the playoffs.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 2, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

And hopefully another top 5 draft pick.

Even though I think we’ll finish up around 8-10.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 2, 2010 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

We also have an equally strong chance of being bottom 5 again.

Just look at the league standings.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 2, 2010 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

This.

You have no idea how accurate this is…

The Kings have played very good basketball for stretches this year – usually when Tyreke Evans and Kevin Martin aren’t playing. They’re a young basketball team who plays the game in the right way. They try hard on defense, pass the ball around and get good shots, will shoot open 3s and jumpshots when they have them, but they look to get to the rim and spread the ball around.

Omri Casspi, along with DeJuan Blair and Ty Lawson were the steals of this year’s draft. Give me Casspi over ’Reke and Kevin Martin anyday, plus JR Smith could practice dunking on him.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 4:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree with this + infinity.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Feb 2, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

PER doesn't measure defense...

Which is the biggest flow in PER. My buddy also pointed out to me that PER also overvalues usage…Monta Ellis gets credit because he uses a large portion of his team’s possessions even though he uses them inefficiently.

I don’t know if the Kings could move Martin “easily”. Although there probably are enough Isaiah Thomas like GMS out there that would overvalue him. Hell, Indiana somehow signed DJ to a 4 year 11 million dollar contract.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Do you think the being able to use a lot of possessions is a skill?

It could be argued that of non-composite stats, usage might be the best indication of basketball skill. It not that easy to get 25 shots up . .

Also being able to use a lot of possession could have impact on overall team efficiency. I am not saying using a lot of possessions inefficiently is good, just that that what really matters is not how many possessions each player uses but how efficeiently the whole team uses possessions.

by Frontrange on Feb 2, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I do think that using possessions effectively is a skill...

Completely agree with your last statement. One of the reasons why LeBron is as good as he is – his ability to not only use a large portion of his team’s possesions but his team’s possessions also his efficiency doesn’t decline very much with increased usage. For more on this, see Dean Oliver’s skill curves. Like you said, they still use possessions efficiently even as more and more of the opposing team’s defense is focused on stopping them.

I’m a huge advocate of playing a lineup where everyone is a scoring threat and where there’s adequate floor spacing because Carmelo has faced double teams with no shooting threats throughout his career. At the beginning of this year, we’ve seen how good Carmelo can be with a team of capable shooters.

Hollinger’s PER data doesn’t take into account how effectively players use possessions, just usage in general.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Using a lot of possessions effectively is obviously a great skill to have . .

My question is, perhaps using possessions itself is a skill.

We can tell that Lebron using a lot of possessions effectively, and many other “superstars” like Kobe, Roy, MJ, etc. are extremely valueable. But, many people assume that highly effective players, e.g. Nene, should just use a lot more possessions, perhaps that is just not possible.

For the player in question Monta Ellis, maybe if he didn’t use all those possessions, GS would have an less effective offense. Two years ago, Monta Ellis had a usage rate of 22% (still pretty high) and Golden State had the 4th best offense in the league. Of course, the team had Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson taking some of the pressure off of Ellis. This year, his usage rating is 30% and GS offense has dropped to 17th . . ’course they are playing D-leaguers Tolliver, Martin and Karl 30/min a game right now. . .maybe they need Ellis and Maggette to use all those possessions.

Now his defense . . that is an entirely different discussion and one that Hollinger readily admits isn’t well captured in PER.

by Frontrange on Feb 2, 2010 8:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Right..

I agree with your assertion that for players like Nene, using more possessions might not be possible. There was a thread this summer on another board where Pau Gasol wanted the ball more because he was shooting something like 60%? against the Nuggets in the playoffs last year. A guy who I greatly respect went through Pau Gasol’s shot breakdown and found that Pau’s efficiency was largely a result of dunks and putbacks…which are both assisted and opportunistic. He concluded that it wasn’t possible for Pau to use more possessions at the same efficiency because you simply can’t tell the Lakers to get Pau more dunks and putbacks.

So yeah, I understand your point completely…there is some value in being able to use a lot of possessions. I think there’s better metrics for it such as assisted FG% and unassisted FG%. For example, if a player makes a lot of shots that are unassisted, it means that they’re able to create their own shot and create their own offense. If a player gets most of his points off putbacks, it’s obviously not correct to put him in the superstar category.

One thing I’ve noticed this year is someone told Karl how efficient Nene is and we’ve been filtering the offense through him a little bit more.

As far as GSW, that team is a disaster. Their offense consists of guys taking running 2 point jumpers (the most inefficient shots you can possibly take), they play 0 defense, and the guy who should be getting shots because he’s efficient with his shots (Maggette) isn’t getting them. Although, if you believe some people on this board, GS has one of the top offenses in the league because they score a lot of points.

by chantech on Feb 2, 2010 11:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Disagree.

“If a player gets most of his points off putbacks, it’s obviously not correct to put him in the superstar category.”

That’s a great skill to have. Just because a guy doesn’t make his own shot doesn’t mean he’s not skilled or shouldn’t be in the superstar category. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who regulary pounds the offensive glass, gets the rebound, and the putback should be considered a superstar. Just win baby!

by NuggBuckets on Feb 4, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Lay off JR

We are 18 games over 500.

by wangstu13 on Feb 2, 2010 10:13 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Lay off AC

We are 18 games over .500

I have to give JR credit, he made some huge defensive plays last night. It was good to see.

K-Mart continues to amaze. Billups had a tough night but Chauncey being Chauncey, he was still able to lead the Nugs to a win. Huge shot by AA…he gets better every day. Love it.

by Pusherman on Feb 2, 2010 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

Ummmmmm......

“I’ve played basketball for years with Israelis, by the way…crafty, smart, dead eye shooters…but no hops”

- Just went with the ’ol stereotype commentary here huh Andrew?

by Mcnoughton on Feb 2, 2010 11:05 AM MST reply actions  

okay not to defend Andrew but have you noticed his last name....:)

amirite Andrew?

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PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?

by SDcat09 on Feb 2, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Stereotypes are awesome!

I’m a firm advocate of speaking one’s mind and suffering no ill consequence. I do not preach hateful speech. Tounge in cheeck though is alright. And as you can tell by the handle I’m all about opinions.

by Joelsopinion on Feb 2, 2010 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

andrew is known throughout basketball as the jewish michael jordan

which makes me the irish ac.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Feb 2, 2010 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

O, one more thing... They asked Chauncy a question last night...

I cannot remember the question exactly but I damn sure remember the answer. The question was something like, “Do you have any regrets?” Chauncy said,

“I wish I had worked harder.”

Can you imagine? This is a guy who has reached a couple of the pinnacles of his profession. He has been there, at the top. He wishes he had worked harder. He wished he had done more. I imagined all the hundreds of hours he had spent becoming the very best – and he wishes he had worked harder.

My life is not pathetic by any means, but I felt a little bit smaller when I heard him say that. I will keep what he said in the back of my mind and use it to improve myself.

by spokenwar on Feb 2, 2010 3:14 PM MST reply actions  

That guy is amazing

I agree with you, we can all learn something from him.

by Uh on Feb 2, 2010 6:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I stopped watching after the first half

/sigh

Well, good win it seems. And it’s great that JR played another solid game.

by Uh on Feb 2, 2010 6:38 PM MST reply actions  

Wow, don't have time to read this novel authored by my fellow Stiffs but I'll throw in my 2 cents

What a crazy game! I was sooo frustrated early on then amazed at the resiliency the Nugs showed. That is the heart of a champion right there. Also, Nene needs to wake the hell up. His numbers are atrocious lately, especially on the boards. AC was a great spark off the bench, I have to say. If it weren’t for his defensive presence we probably wouldn’t have won last night. JR still can’t shoot a 3 into an ocean if he tried. Is this the same dude that is 2nd in terms of 3s made in one game? I can’t figure him out. Andrew needs to get off Brockman’s d*ick, Marlowe is STILL a complete idiot and I might just have to change my screen name to King Stiff. That’s a classic.

by GoldenNugget on Feb 2, 2010 10:24 PM MST reply actions  

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L.A. - Bernie Bickerstaff

2009 INDUCTION CLASS

F - Bill Hanzlik
F - Ryan Bowen
C - Danny Schayes
G - Julius Hodge
G - Junior Harrington

2008 INDUCTION CLASS

F - Nikoloz Tskitishvili
F - Joe Wolf
F - Tony Battie
C - Scott Hastings
G - Tariq Abdul-Wahad
G - Mark Macon


Proprietors

304196_2551840719324_1353064703_32974236_1387484886_n_small Nate Timmons

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Writer

Me_oh_my_oh_small Jeffrey Morton