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How to really blow up the Nuggets and rebuild from scratch.

This loss against the 76ers was one of the most horrific losses in recent memory for the Nuggets.  This was a team that looked uninterested, confused and flat out dickless.  So even if Melo leaves (Really, who are we kidding anymore?) it's time for Masai Ujiri and Josh Kroenke to make some tough choices.  This is not a matter of changing personnel, but a change in philosophy. 

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First thing we have to do is let go of George Karl.  I'm appreciative of his battle with cancer, impressed by his courage but quite frankly he's been one of the bigger problems of the team.  He refuses to play the game of momentum and his lineups are continual game of WTF.  Tonight's game against the 76ers in the 4th quarter they went on a 19-2 run, the only dead ball stop was a foul on Denver and Karl just sub'ed out some players.  Totally unacceptable.

It's time to bring in a Coach that understands the importance of Momentum and Defense, that my friends is Mike Brown.  Mike Brown's has been one of the most successful coaches in the last few years.  His firing after the playoffs was more o.f appeasing to LeBitch than a basketball move.  His teams were always prepared and played tough excellent defense.

One of the traits of Denver Nuggets is a fast upbeat offense dependent on scoring in transitions and relying on athleticism.  What we should do is SCRAP THAT PHILOSOPHY.  Teams that like to score on the uptempo (Like, Golden State, Denver, New York Knicks) always flameout of the playoffs because teams step up their defense and tends to temper that style of Offense.

What we need to do is finally become that half court offense team.  Come up with some offensive system that relies on unselfish passing and mistake free basketball.  Sure we might not score as much, but we end up with meaningful possessions.  Think about it this way, how many times have the Nuggets scored a quick 2 points (like 6 seconds into the shot clock) only for the other team to burn off the clock and score a 3 pointer.  Playoff Basketball relies on Half Court Offense and Defense.  Mike Brown can give this to us.

Next year we're really on the hoof for the following players.

My hope is that when Melo gets traded that Al Harrington goes.  With the new CBA his contract (While modest could be an issue) could be an albatross so if we have a chance to unload him we take it.  We're rebuilding here and this money going to an aging Veteran who doesn't bring much of anything except scoring could be going to some younger players to develop.

The current best deal for Melo appears to be Derrick Favors, an expiring contract (Troy Murphy) and 4 1st round picks.  We need to take this deal ASAP.  Favors figures to be a beast of a player eventually, and he'll be a valuable piece in the future.

Here's what I suggest for personnel moves for the Nuggets Front Office

  • Let KMart, Nene walk
  • Throw whatever contract (Short of a Max contract) for Marc Gasol
  • Buyout Chauncey at 3.4 Million, then if he ok with staying on a rebuilding team re-sign at 3yrs/15 Million
  • Re-sign Arron Afflalo and JR Smith (Both are still quite young)
  • Work the draft and find a suitable scorer to replace Carmelo Anthony

I hope the Front Office is really ready up for this challenge, we can end up much, much better if this pans out right.  Or we end up like the nuggets between 98-2002.  GO NUGGETS!

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I’ve never been a fan of just completely blowing up the team, but here lately I’m starting to warm up to the idea.

by Bronco546 on Dec 26, 2010 11:16 PM MST reply actions  

Re-sign Arron Afflalo

Aside from the Carmelo situation, I have no idea why they’re waiting. This should have been done at least a month ago. I fear that the Front Office is so worried about Carmelo, they’re not paying attention to the rest of the team. At lest half of the roster could be up for grabs after this year.

My hope is that when Melo gets traded that Al Harrington goes.

Why not send Balkman instead? Karl never plays the man, so why bother keeping him here?

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by Mini Hulk on Dec 26, 2010 11:20 PM MST reply actions  

My hope is that the new coach (Hopefully Mike Brown) is able to forget past tendency and give Balkman a chance

If he can regain his 2008-09 form where he was a hustling rebounding machine then he would a role with a rebuilt team. His contract is certainly cheap enough.

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by CombatChuk on Dec 26, 2010 11:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

In order for that to happen, that lazy ass needs to practice and take things more seriously.

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by Mini Hulk on Dec 26, 2010 11:36 PM MST up reply actions  

mike brown? r u 4 real?

the guy gets out coachd on a daily basis u bring him in its like puttn an elevator in the out house. if want sme body that knowes hw 2 win and build and play the rt way=lambieer

by ice357 on Dec 27, 2010 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

Been pushing for Laimbeer for ever. That would be a GREAT hire.

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by GoldenNugget on Dec 27, 2010 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

all the people who say GK can’t get it down in the playoffs but Mike Brown is the option to go with need to look at what they just said.

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by Phil H. on Dec 27, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

that should be done not down

doh

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by Phil H. on Dec 27, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

At least Brown won some playoff series every year

You could definitely make a great case that Denver has had the better team in recent years, yet only one two playoff series this entire time. How many has Brown won? 8, 9? Mike Brown IS a better coach that George Karl right now, there’s no doubt about that.

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by GoldenNugget on Dec 27, 2010 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

It's true he has

but you have to factor whom against. The lower seeded East teams would have been no match for the Nugs either, when it came to playing the best of the East or the Spurs they often wilted. I’ll give him credit for leading them to a very impressive regular season several times.

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by Phil H. on Dec 28, 2010 12:06 AM MST up reply actions  

ru nuts chuky?

mike brown didnt win those games lebron did by himself,he gets out coachd vry ezyly, he makes no ingame adjustments, he has no idea wat the the hek he’s duen. if ur rebuilding he’s nt the answr, he’ll set u bck to the stone age as a coach, my gr.grandpa who’s dead who’d b 106 this yr. cud out coach mike brown. eithr u hv it or u dnt!!!! mike brown dnt hv it.

by ice357 on Dec 31, 2010 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Afflalo can't be re-signed until the offseason b/c he's on his rookie contract

That means the deadline for an extension for him was Nov 31 (I think, it might be Oct 31), besides he’ll be restricted this summer so we should be able to re-sign him this summer as long as ownership is willing to pay.

by hvino on Dec 27, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Get value out of what we have

Unfortunately I don’t think anything can be done until we resolve the coaching situation. I agree with Chuk on all points concerning Karl. Don’t think he wants to let go of pieces like K-Mart and Billups or play the rookies we are going to have in our post Melo pipeline. I don’t think he fully on board with building for a championship as the long term goal. He has only 3 years left and needs to win now. Unless we get a truly awesome trade for Melo I don’t see that as a possibility. In any scenario I see Ty and some other young ~20 year old players being the new core of this team. Karl doesn;t have the patience to see a plan like that through.

The other thing holding us up is the point guard situation. I want Ty starting for this team eventually. What does that mean for Billups? It’s something that has to be resolved. Give Chaunce till the end of the season to figure it out and if we don’t get consistency, let it be known he’s handing the keys over to Ty next year. There are some tough decisions to be made.

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by runningdonut on Dec 26, 2010 11:50 PM MST reply actions  

let Nene walk

I don’t see this happening, if we “Throw whatever contract (Short of a Max contract) for Marc Gasol” and he doesn’t sign then we’ve essentially fucked ourselves since we won’t have a center at all. (oh unless the Polar Bear comes back from rehab LOL)

by InboundingLobPass on Dec 27, 2010 12:01 AM MST reply actions  

I think with Memphis re signing Gay and Conley

and Still having Henry and Rudolph they’re not going to be able to offer Gasol a max contract.

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by CombatChuk on Dec 27, 2010 7:56 AM MST up reply actions  

But every other team in the League can and will

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by Army of Nugs on Dec 27, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree with letting Kmart go but Nene?

If you know you plan on letting him walk at the end of this season, wouldn’t you trade him now? I honestly have no ideas as to what kind of trade you could try for him but you could bring in some fairly young sturdy player on the cheap.

by MMGraves on Dec 27, 2010 1:20 AM MST reply actions  

It's easy then,

The team can pick up his final year then trade him to the highest bidder

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by CombatChuk on Dec 27, 2010 7:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't let Nene walk - give him some help

I think they should shoot for Kaman in a Melo to NJ trade:
Nuggets get Favors, Kaman, 2 picks
Nets get Melo
Clippers get Murphy, 1 pick

The Grizzlies will match anything for Gasol. We need to find a serious young SF in the process of moving Kmart, Harrington and maybe Chauncey, and pile up draft picks for the long haul.

Re-sign Ty, AAA, Nene and renegotiate Chauncey if he agrees to a decreasing role.
BTW, I think AAA’s next step in his gradual improvement will be to be to get a few more touches and show some ego on offence. He knows he can attack more, not be afraid to miss and take his 86% accuracy to the foul line more often.

by slader on Dec 27, 2010 3:15 AM MST reply actions  

I was high on Kaman

But his contract in a new CBA (11.8 Mill) can really hamper a rebuilding team and he’s been injured more often than not lately

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by CombatChuk on Dec 27, 2010 7:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm not big on Kaman

but I don’t his salary should be any sort of hindrance simply because he’d be expiring next year.

by TChizza on Dec 27, 2010 10:22 PM MST up reply actions  

haha

kaman looke dlike a contender a few years ago but now hes too old for this team.
we are going to have some young guys pretty soon.

by Over-and-back on Jan 8, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

hw bout this trade?

zebo+gasol 4 kmart+birdman? nba trade machine greenlight it. nuggets +9 in victories. 3 team trade btwn denver, nj & charlete. jersey gets melo, harrington & biilups. charlotte gets balkman,carter,ely& jr smith.denver gets murphy,favors, james + several draft picks?

by ice357 on Dec 28, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the idea,

However Nene is a very valuable piece. He can be traded for a lot. People don’t realize how good he is statistically. He is, if not the leader, at least close to it in field goal percentage. We all know he’s not aggressive but he’ll bring a lot back as far as yound players and picks in a trade. The other issue that most teams don’t realize is that he’s good becuase he’s so quick for a big. His game will deteriorate quickly after 30 so we need to hurry up and trade him now.

I do not think this team can rebuild on the fly as you are suggesting chuk. We’re gonna have to suck for a couple years and tear it down. As Portland and Thunder did. However as both teams have shown it’s a crap shoot even then. The key is getting a dominat big somewhere along the line and I don’t think Gasol is that guy. He’s just slow.

by NugzD on Dec 27, 2010 8:18 AM MST reply actions  

I think nene's game will age well

He will still have his post up game and the mid range j. His faceup game will probably be lost though.

by Monkfish on Dec 27, 2010 10:00 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Considering how long Nene has been playing...

If you didn’t know how old he is you couldn’t guess it by his play. That is one advantage of being a big but not huge big. You don’t pound your hips, knees and ankles as much as guys like Yao.

by MMGraves on Dec 27, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Minutes, not years

Nene missed a year and in his early NBA years was injured quite a bit. He has not played that many minutes in his career. Look at 35yo Grant Hill to see what I am saying.

by Monkfish on Dec 27, 2010 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

We gotta keep Nene too! He is getting a lot better and would be much better if he could play power forward instead of center. He needs to learn how to play a full game and not just 3/4s of it!

by soloking on Dec 27, 2010 11:04 AM MST reply actions  

Great post

especially the line about the team being dickless lol. I think George has got to go after this year. We’re not going to improve and for his sake and ours it’s best if we just part ways.

I disagree about Nene though. I think the reason he’s so inconsistant and passive is because it’s always been Melo’s team. But once he’s gone, this should become Nene’s team. I think building around Favors, Nene and Ty is our best route. I definitely want to see Afflalo resigned, but not JR; we need to pick between one of those two, and I vote AAA. I agree with RD about Chauncey too. Fact of the matter is Ty is just as good as Chauncey right now and he’s our future. There’s not enough room for the both, so I’d try and trade Chauncey or just let him walk at the end of the year unless he really wants to stay and accept a back up role.But to me, the most important thing right now is getting that NJ deal done. That could make our franchise for the next decade if you ask me. It’s crucial we get Favors imo.

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by GoldenNugget on Dec 27, 2010 1:07 PM MST reply actions  

I feel ya but

Ty is not as good as Chauncey. CB has MUCH more experience than Ty and that counts for something. Ty has been playing at a high level and I love that, but to say he’s as good as a former final mvp, well, he’s not there YET. I say this because I think if it comes to it, we can trade Chauncey to someone needing that Vet experience for a playoff push. I think Billups is frustrated with the team right now, and he’s always said he doesn’t want to play “for nothing” he wants to win. We have to respect that and give him a trade if thats what he wants.

by InboundingLobPass on Dec 27, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't disagree with that

I know Chauncey is better right now and should be starting. The thing is, Ty is gonna be ready sooner rather than later. This wouldn’t even be an issue if Chauncey was helping the team win right now. But he’s inconsistent and we are really struggling badly.

So the question becomes how long do you hold on to Chauncey?

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by runningdonut on Dec 27, 2010 6:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Great Ideas there

New coach, Send Harrington out, and stop playing high offense no D shit. I would really like to see Nene on the team post Melo though I think he could be an all star and a leader for us. If he has to go though id rather trade/ S and T him for a new SF rather than let him walk. Something like Nene, pick for Paul george and Mike Dunleavy would get something good out of it and give us a young cheap player and cap space. Some kind of rebuild is neccessary though

by Nz Nuggets on Dec 27, 2010 7:15 PM MST reply actions  

I'm in general agreement

I think myself and GN (correct me if I’m wrong) were two of the biggest proponents to “blow it up” early in the season and I don’t think anything has changed.

The most interesting piece of news to me over the last couple of weeks was Melo’s desire to take some of the current Nuggets pieces with him if he goes to NJ. To this I say, “go nuts.” You want Big Al? Take him. You want Bird? Seeya! NJ may very well provide what we’re desperately seeking for in this… a clean slate. Now, I know a clean slate makes a lot of people cringe but if we’re going to be rebuilding anyways, what’s the point of keeping money on the books like Bird/Harrington? For another 3-4 wins in 2011? Personally, that doesn’t float my boat much. If NJ wants to try and load their team around Lopez/Melo/Harrington/Bird/Harris, I say go nuts. Gimme Favors, gimme the 4 1st’s, gimme Murphy, Humphries, Damion James, either some other expirings or Jordan Farmar and I’ll sign the papers right now.

Long as we’re not taking back Travis Outlaw, I’m pretty amenable to talking about the other parts of the deal so long as I’m getting Favors, the 4 1sts, Murphy and James. If they want to give me Vujacic for Al or Bird straight up later in as part of a “hush-hush” addition to the deal after Vujacic’s 2 months are up, fine. Throw in $3M and we’ll happily cut him and you can resign him for all I care.

by TChizza on Dec 27, 2010 10:34 PM MST reply actions  

like

an unrealistic dreamland scenario

by nsink on Jan 3, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I like our players but don't think GK is the right guy

I hope we can keep some of the talent in a blow up. I think we absolutely gotta keep Nene and Lawson. I am a sentimental guy so I hope Billups sticks around.

by the big bill on Dec 28, 2010 7:34 PM MST reply actions  

And call me crazy

but I hope we can resign KMart for cheaps. But I know you stiffs will have me stoned for suggesting such a thing.

by the big bill on Dec 28, 2010 7:35 PM MST reply actions  

I'm with you

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