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First ever: Denver Stiffs Column of Doom!!!

After many requests from fellow Denver Stiffs readers (mostly SDcat), I find myself finally caving in to the suggestion that I create a Denver Stiffs "Column of Doom." Now before we get started, be aware that this is only a place where darkest of souls thrive. Where the happy are obliterated with pessimistic daggers carved of scrutiny and brashness. Once you read the "Column of Doom," you will never be the same. It will take your heart, pull it straight through your chest and suck on the dripping blood like a Boulder frat boy sucks on a keg-stand at Initiation. In basketball terms it's not a place for those who think a 6-6 record is a sign of great things to come. In the "Column of Doom" 6-6 is just as good as being in the lottery. So, if you think you can handle the eerie road that lies ahead, please be my guest. If not, I advise you to turn around now, and avoid being eaten alive by my lucid analysis of what the Nuggets season means thus far.

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Ok, so for those who continued reading, welcome to the underworld. It's pretty dark, not too much lighting except for the fire that burns the souls of those not worthy, but other than that it's kind of cozy. Similar to Dante's Inferno (and Alcoholics Anonymous), the "Column of Doom" will be chronicled in stages. The first stage, where we begin our journey, is that of pure analysis. So for those making the scenic plunge into the depths of "The Column" for the first time, no need to worry. We'll take it easy on you for a while.
 
I first want to start off by looking at last night's game against Portland, then we can kind of go from there on where the Nuggets season might be going by looking at a few things including how it's went so far. I used this sort of process to determine how well the Nuggets would be doing by Dec .15 when free agents who signed this past summer become available through trades in my "Winter of our discontent" column I did recently (which I don't think anybody got the title of) and it didn't seem to work that great. But I'm holding out hope this one might be a little more accurate. And yes, we do have hope in the underworld; though most of the time it's hoping that Satan doesn't assign us to Hitler duty, but that's a whole-nother story.
 
Alright, so last night's game in Portland was kind of a microcosm of what the Denver Nuggets' season has been up to this point in time. We started off great, even jumping out to an early lead and finished the quarter off on a 17-0 run. Things couldn't have gone any better, on the road, against Portland; traditionally one of the league's best home teams. This was very similar to how the first game of the season played out when we stomped Utah on our home floor to open up the 2010-11 campaign. Basically you couldn't have asked for any more. Sadly, the Blazers responded by going on a 13-2 run of their own to start the second, which eliminated most of the hard work we did to gain the initial lead in the first quarter. This was very similar to the New Orleans loss on the road in the second game of the season following that great win against the Jazz, because just when you thought things were going to go our way, they took a sharp turn in the opposite direction. Still we bounced back, equivalent to the win on the road at Houston, and both teams finished close to end the first half, equalling the Dallas loss and conversely Clipper win since we did finish the half with the lead. To start the third quarter we came out on a small run, which symbolized the win at Dallas, but that was the last point we'd ever really be in it as we looked like a defeated team by the mid-part of the third quarter. It's no news to those who watched the game how it ended, which was very similar to the way the last six games of our schedule have: in losing manner. In those games we're 2-4, and have looked almost unwatchable in the last three. 

Maybe the most shocking part about last night's game was the way in which we lost. Heading into the fourth quarter we were actually ahead by two points, 71-69. Then, like we've done so well the past few games, we began to melt down when it really counted. We began jacking-up wild three's with plenty of time left on the shot clock, committed more turnovers than points at one point in time, went four and a half minutes without scoring a bucket (in which George Karl didn't call a timeout), played horrific defense, allowed Portland to snag one offensive rebound after another, had our only 24 second shot clock violation of the entire game, and yet, in the midst of all this were still only down by seven points with three minutes left to play. We all know that we went on to lose the game, but considering how bad we had played, being down by seven points with three minutes to go should have been a wake-up call. Instead, we hit the snooze for another two minutes and in doing so handed the game to Portland on a silver platter.

For those with occupying the idea that Portland played a tough game and was really the better team last night, think again. Other than out-rebounding us by a large margin they still shot 40% from the floor, 50% from the line, had the same numbers of assists and steals as we did and scored only 17 points in the fourth quarter. In terms of turnovers, if it weren't for the ghastly eight we committed in the final quarter alone, we would have actually had less than they did the entire game. So, no we didn't lose this game in Portland, we gave it to them when we decided 12 points and eight turnovers was enough to get it done in crunch time. Lats night's game wasn't just another loss. It was a gift-wrapped early Christmas present from George Karl to his oh-so favorite player and now coach of the Portland Trailblazers, Nate McMillan. It was 83 measly points we put up, then said "Hey, if you can outscore that, you can have the win!" 83 points is Minnesota Timberwolves basketball, not Denver Nuggets basketball. 83 points, with the type of firepower we have, is something else than just a bad game: it's a sign of things to come.

What 83 points reminds me of is a George Karl coached team anywhere from late 2006 to early 2008, prior to Chauncey Billups arrival in Denver. It's a team with too much talent to be playing the type of basketball we have been lately. Remember when Andrew began his rise to stardom in the Denver area by starting the website firegeorgekarl.com? Does anybody remember why he did that? For those who don't, let me remind you. It was largely because we were an underachieving, sloppy, misguided and disinterested team that played a brand of basketball that was nothing short of laughable to the rest of the league. The big problem was, we had as much talent as any team in the NBA, yet continuously squeaked into the playoffs each year (sometimes even on the very last game of the season) to then get humiliated and have at least one player blow up during the series. "Why am I suddenly reminded of this, after three years have passed?" you might ask. Well, if it weren't for the way we have been playing this year that is soooooo eerily similar to those "streetball" days of the latter part of the previous decade, I would have likely erased them from my memory. But you see, the memory is a funny thing. Because like a mentally damaged war veteran who's been at home for several years, when you suddenly hears gunshots and screaming coming from the TV, things just start to come back to you whether you like it or not.

Think back to when Chauncey first arrived. After years of laying there, dying on our death-bed, we finally got the cure to our disease we had long been waiting for. He came in, and immediately transformed our culture. No longer did we ever play disinterested, and lackadaisical. Instead, Chauncey was calling out plays every time he went down the floor. He was coaching JR after timeouts in one of his best years as a pro. He was always on the sidelines educating everyone on what they needed to do better, and how they could help the team in certain ways. We forget that when Chauncey first arrived, he  was the one who was coaching, not George Karl. It was because of this, we finally realized our true potential as a team and made it all the way to the Western Conference Finals only to see the Lakers beat us because of a bad inbounds play, and what I felt was a clear display of a superiority complex, which was a direct reflection of George Karl. The thing we have been most quick to forget is what happened just one year later. It was only just one year after that historic Western Confrence Finals appearance that Chauncey couldn't quite continue his work as a coach and as a player, and once again, we fell into our old habits of losing in the first round to inferior teams.

To me, the "Chauncey Billups Effect" is finally wearing off. We're once again seeing what it's like to be on a George Karl coached team these days. I do admit that the FIBA World Championships play a large part in Chauncey's performance this year, but it doesn't excuse the way Nene has been playing, or JR's recent induction into the Doghouse, or the lack of playing time Shelden has received despite how depleted our front-court is, or the overall underachieving nature of this team in so many ways I can't even name them all. People say it's early, and that once K-Mart and Birdman get back we'll be a different team; and while I do agree with that to some extent, it doesn't excuse how we're playing at the moment. Just because you're injured doesn't mean you have the right to go out there and lose games you should win. The Lakers don't lose games because Bynum is out, the Jazz don't lose games because Okur is out, the Thunder don't lose games because Jeff Green is out, the Blazers (as we are well aware) don't lose games because Roy and half of their startling lineup is out. But for some reason or another, it's totally ok for the Nuggets to lose games because of injuries.

We look at this season and think, with all that's going on, once we get fully healthy we'll be able to do some damage come playoff time. But what we fail to do when we make that presumption, is acknowledge that we're no longer in 2008/2009. Two years have gone by since that Western Confrence Finals appearance and since then Birdman and K-Mart have had significant injuries to their knees, Chauncey has played in a FIBA World Championship, Melo has basically demanded a trade, JR has been introduced to the far corners of the Doghouse for the first time in his career and everyone has grown older several years older. Since then every other team in the West has made significant changes as well. The Lakers are back to back World Champions, coming off a game seven victory over the Boston Celtics, the Spurs, Jazz, Blazers, Thunder, Hornets and Mavericks have all re-tooled drastically in order to improve their chances at dethroning the Lakers. Don't you think those teams feel they have just as good of a chance as we do at making the Finals? Don't you think, that if we were truly better than them, our record would show it after 12 games into the season? Don't you think, that if we were really that championship caliber team we've been so excited about seeing since that run to the Western Conference Finals, that we'd be beating teams like the Pacers, Suns, Blazers and Bulls? Don't you think we might be a little better than 6-6? That's all I'm asking.

To continue with the questioning, at some point in time you have to ask yourself when K-Mart and career role player Chris "Birdman" Andersen get back, how much better will we really be? We're not talking about Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, or maybe missing a player the caliber of say, Kevin Garnett even. We're talking about Kenyon Martin and Chris Andersen. At some point that has to register in our heads.

Being the die-hard Nugget fan that I am, I will continue to watch this team every possible chance that I get, no matter what the circumstance. Just because I feel that this team isn't the same team of 2009 doesn't' mean I won't be rooting hard for them to win every single night they step on the floor. I hope you will join me. All I'm asking is that you accept this team for who it is, not for who it was two years ago. Right now we have the biggest shift in franchise history hovering over our heads and any given moment, we have a coach who spends more time with his head in his hands that he does actually coaching and a new front office that has to decide whether or not to trade Carmelo Anthony by mid-February or keep him at the risk of losing him for nothing. We're 6-6, and although we do have what should be a helpful bunch of games at home upcoming, we also have the constant growing notion that the Melo Drama might actually be getting worse and affecting the team chemistry which could lead to a potential disaster. Though I do not believe this will happen, we do need to acknowledge this as a possibility, not push it under the rug and act as if everything is fine. It clearly isn't, something is not the same with this team as has been during the Chauncey Era of Denver Basketball. Though nobody seems to be able to put a finger on it - it might be a variety of things - it's important that we keep based in reality. We're the 2010/2011 Denver Nuggets; a team off to a shaky start with a copious amount of potential problems down the road. We are a .500 ball club as currently constructed.

Though things may change in the future, and we can continue to pray that they do, lets not lose sight of what we are, right now.

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Is there more to the Nuggets slow start than just a tough schedule and injuries?
No, we'll get on a roll here soon
99 votes
Yes, George Karl's coaching has been horrendous
79 votes
Are you kidding me? If you havn't noticed how the Melo Drama and everything else is harming the team you're not paying attention.
124 votes

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Isn't it a little obvious?

The players see it – the fans at the Pepsi Center see it – “all hands aren’t on board”. Haven’t you been at a job where there was one person that had one foot in and one foot out? Everybody knew it and we talked about it in private. This will only get worse. Right now the hope is that Birdman will provide the extra whatever to get us on the winning track but the real issue is that Melo doesn’t want to be in Denver and everybody, including the Coach, knows it! Then there’s Chauncey, he’s taken a big step towards being over-the-hill. The Coach is doing what he has done in the past – he doesn’t like JR, poor management of the game, looks disgusted on the bench. We’re 6-6 but have a slew of home games coming up – better win ALL or almost everyone of them cause we are terrible on the road. Looks like a long season

BTW, Nice Post GN

by jjbugs on Nov 19, 2010 2:42 PM MST reply actions  

Word!

Agreed 100%

"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins

"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.

by Dustin Maul on Nov 19, 2010 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I lived up to my promise and rec'd it

then voted option A which goes against the entire post. But maybe an option “I have no damn clue” would have helped, because I don’t.

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by Phil H. on Nov 19, 2010 2:43 PM MST reply actions  

It's still early.

That’s all I’m gonna say. If we hid the mid-season point and we’re not 10+ games over .500, then yes, there are some serious issues and Denver will likely not make the playoffs or get swept out in the first round.

I know I will be laughed at and probably rightly so for this comparison, but many West playoff teams have started off slow only to flare in the mid-end season. Take the Spurs. I am not saying Karl is equal to Popovich or that the Nuggets have the same level of veteran playoff experience the Spurs do, but they started very slowly last year only to surge ahead as the season wore on and get themselves into the picture, while dealing with major injuries.

Could that happen in Denver? Maybe. It’ll take trading Carmelo Anthony sooner rather than later (before that midseason mark) and Denver finding its team identity, or Melo re-signing his contract (unlikely) and really committing to the team. Either way I find it unlikely that Denver makes the playoffs unless one of them happens soon. If we get to the trade deadline and nothing has materialized via a trade or signing with Carmelo (and any other pieces) I think we can probably look at Denver as a lottery team this year.

In any case, I welcome the pragmatic discussion – I don’t think it’s doom and gloom at all. There are some systemic, foundational problems with this team, and it is unrealistic to expect that we’ll be able to figure them out during the season with the “big three” questions still unresolved:

1. Where is Carmelo going, and what can we back for him?

2. Will a bad, losing season in a contract year cause Karl – already dealing with health issues – to retire? If so, who do the Nuggets target for a head coach?

3. Who is the new core of this team, if not Carmelo? The Nuggets need to carefully evaluate their current roster and decide who they are going to build around. Obvious targets are Afflalo, (maybe) Lawson and Forbes. Move forward with any trades with those players long-term careers in Denver in mind, and build around their strengths and weaknesses.

The Nuggets need to start by rebuilding around their FRONTCOURT, not their guards, and retool from there. Pick up a good young promising C, a PF, and hopefully we can find some diamonds in the rough like Gary Forbes going forward.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Nov 19, 2010 2:48 PM MST reply actions  

The Nuggets can't afford a bad start, not this year

The reason the Spurs are able to come back is that they are one of the steadiest and most grizzled team in the league. Popovich has seen it all. They know how they want to play and year in and year out they keep pounding the rock as a unit because their core and their coach are always committed.

Almost everyone on this team has a one year deal. We don’t have that luxury of knowing that if we just stick together and push through that the team is going to come out whole on the other side. The simple facts about this season are I think every loss bring us closer to a world without Melo.

Good to see you back on DS Beefy.

As far as your question as to who is the new core of this team – I say nobody. We should start building something new with a blank cupboard next year. With the new CBA, we could be in a very good position to build a great team without being weighed down by so much salary like we have been.

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by runningdonut on Nov 19, 2010 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Excellent Post

Many good points. I look forward to many more.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 19, 2010 3:02 PM MST reply actions  

Really well written.

It sucks to be 6-6 but thats what we are an avg team.
I think its time we all realize it but like GN said Im not gonna stop rooting for the Nuggets and stop hoping that im wrong and when Kenyon and Bird come back well get back on track and Melo will sign the extension and well go deep in the playoffs!!!
But till that actually happens Im gonna have to admit what we are an avg team.

by VicTor W on Nov 19, 2010 3:25 PM MST reply actions  

Great first "Column of Doom" GN!

I voted for option one of course, since you pigeonholed it. Also, when do I get my naming rights credit???!!!!

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by SDcat09 on Nov 19, 2010 4:04 PM MST reply actions  

It would be great to see this article front-paged

Haha man, it feels good to get a lot of this stuff off my chest. The part that pretty much sums up my experience as a fan this year is this line right here

But you see, the memory is a funny thing. Because like a mentally damaged war veteran who’s been at home for several years, when you suddenly hears gunshots and screaming coming from the TV, things just start to come back to you whether you like it or not.

I really don’t know what else to say. I expected a lot to be different for the Nuggets this year. In many ways I’m mad at myself for just kind of removing myself from reality during the summer and pretending that everything was going to be okay. Like this Melo situation was somehow going to subside and not rear it’s ugly face once the games started counting. Like the media and Lebron’s antics had concocted an elaborate lie to cast us as the next Raptors or Cavaliers so they would have something controversial to write about.

I am so uninspired by this team’s play in the face of adversity this year. I really don’t see any possible way of things getting better. Birdman is a career bit player who averages five points and five rebounds. He will help when he can. His energy and bright personality will bring some fun into an otherwise dull and lifeless basketball team. But ultimately the problems plaguing this team are deep rooted and systemic.

The players are playing these games like they are meaningless. As a fan, I’m beginning to openly question what is best for this franchise. Does winning now matter in the long term? It is a fair question I believe we will all confront at some future point in the season.

For now as a Nuggets fan I just want something to feel good about. I feel a lot better being able to vent about it here

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by runningdonut on Nov 19, 2010 4:17 PM MST reply actions  

83 points is Minnesota Timberwolves basketball, not Denver Nuggets basketball. 83 points, with the type of firepower we have


All the fire power was sitting on the bench while Chauncey logged half of his 37 minutes at SG.

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by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Nov 19, 2010 4:44 PM MST reply actions  

It's disgusting how Karl would rather play a PG and an undrafted rookie over JR...

no nock on Forbes/Billups… but CB should be playing 28 minutes at PG!!!… Forbes should be playing maybe 12 mpg at back up SF…

The rotation should look like this:
PG:Billups (28)- Lawson (20)- AC
SG: AAA (28)- JR (20)- Forbes
SF: Melo (30)- Forbes (12)- JR (6)- AAA
PF: Shelden (20)- Al Harrington (20)- Melo (8)- Forbes
C: Nene (32)- Al (8)- Shelden (8)

IMO that rotation is almost perfect… the only problem is Ty deserves more PT, but I think this rotation is the best way to win games… once Bird comes back, pretty much make the 3,4,5 rotation become:
SF: Melo (36)- Forbes (6)- JR (6)
PF: Al Harrington (yes starting, 28)- Shelden (20)- Melo/Forbes
C: Nene (32)- Birdman (16)- Shelden/Al

by hvino on Nov 19, 2010 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought Jeremy at RMC made an interesting point....

…. saying the team after melo’s time for a change comment, is playing just waiting for the other shoe to drop, and that the time for a trade is now. This compounded with JR issues is taking the life out of the team.

I also think that small ball takes to much energy to win games consistently, and having Birdman back will energize the team.

And as much of a George Karl supporter as I am, his face in the hands body language of “jesus our team sucks” is horrid. Stand up and encourage and show some belief in your squad.

Denver first.

by margabelle on Nov 19, 2010 5:00 PM MST reply actions  

ahh... typing error...

meant to say… I couldn’t agree anymore, Karl’s body language has been so discouraging… just imagine being on the court and looking over to GK on the bench… where’s that passion for the game he always talks about?

by hvino on Nov 19, 2010 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

That comment about its time for a change was so true. We havn’t been the same since.

I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!

by GoldenNugget on Nov 19, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

I came here for a black hole of despair…

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by Drizzt396 on Nov 23, 2010 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Us optimists are catching up!!

congrats on the prestigious first page accomplishment

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by Phil H. on Nov 19, 2010 5:19 PM MST reply actions  

You guys are too kind

Front page! I am truly honored.

I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!

by GoldenNugget on Nov 19, 2010 5:19 PM MST reply actions  

Congrats man!

Great writing dude. A lot of times I am too frustrated and worked up to get my point across gracefully. Way to speak up for us

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by runningdonut on Nov 19, 2010 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

The fourth to the last paragraph is pure gold

Especially the second half of that paragraph.

There is no wonder-cure for this team. It has to be a change of attitude.

by kushikun on Nov 19, 2010 5:21 PM MST reply actions  

I completely agree with this article

I’ve probably been one of the leading “pessimists” about this year’s teams because of a lot that was stated. Melodrama, injuries, Chauncey deciding to extend his basketball season despite the fact he was clearly worn out last year, GK’s mental and physical health. These things all add up.

If the Nuggets had shot out of the gate at 10-2 or 9-3, we could put to rest a lot of this. However, that’s not the case. As GN so eloquently stated, we’re waiting on Kenyon and Bird, not Gasol and Garnett here. Other teams are going through the same injury issues and they keep plowing along. They’re not making excuses like we are. It’s like we’re the parents of an 8 year old kid who’s playing pee wee football but keeps fumbling, or tripping on himself at inopportune times, or whiffing on blocks or dropping every pass thrown his way. At some point we need to realize maybe our 8 year old kid isn’t the next Peyton Manning, he’s the future kicker on the JV team.

by TChizza on Nov 19, 2010 5:25 PM MST reply actions  

You were one the first ones

That said if we’re headed for the lottery we are better off accepting it early and learning to swallow our pride this year

I kind of mocked you for that and I still believe there is a window to turn this around. But it’s a much more likely probability that the Nuggets ceiling is around mid-40 to maybe fifty wins with this squad and the injuries we will have until Kenyon returns. That’s good for a 5-8 seed in the West. Is that really worth keeping Melo around all year for?

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by runningdonut on Nov 19, 2010 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I stated a week ago before the Lakers team we'll find out what this team is made of shortly
However, our schedule softens up for next 30 days and I desperately want to see us take care of the Knicks, NJ, GS, Charlotte, Clippers, Memphis, and Milwaukee and PHO x2. If we don’t win at least 6 of those 9 games, then I believe it’s time to panic. Just in time for the Dec. 15th date.

So far we’re 1 and 1, loss to PHO and win over the Knicks. I still stand by my previous statement so we need to go at least 5 out of 7 over the next 20ish days. I won’t lie though, losing to a Roy-less Blazers team hurts. Hurts bad.

by TChizza on Nov 19, 2010 9:29 PM MST up reply actions  

so is this where you put your blow it up posts?

Blow it up!
we are gonna have our own lottery pick the nets lottery pick and dont they have the rights to the warriors 1st as well casue that will be coming our way after the game tonight along with favors and harris.

by nickademus on Nov 19, 2010 5:33 PM MST reply actions  

The GS pick is in 2012

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by runningdonut on Nov 19, 2010 5:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice work GN

I tried choosing the last option in the poll, but I’m not sure if it counted (voting from phone).

I also thought the RMC piece was pretty spot-on. It’s just too bad. In some small way, I’m never fully gonna get over the 08-09 WCF series. So close. So close! Imagine hometown hero Chauncey Billups coming back to lead the team to its first title. And part of how he would’ve gotten us there was by doing that inbounds pass off Kobe’s back. It would’ve been SUCH a great story. Such a great story, it seems impossible that it didn’t come true. Instead, we got a couple of botched inbounds pass plays, and two more fucking titles for the fucking Lakers. Worst thing ever.

I’m glad runningdonut thinks there’s still a window for this team. In my gut, I feel like it’s over, and frankly I’m a bit impatient to just trade Melo and get on with it. But if even some of our realists think there’s still a sliver of hope, then okay, there must be.

GO NUGGETS!!!

by ParkHillNative on Nov 19, 2010 6:32 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Oh and I meant to add

Not only did we get a couple of botched inbounds pass plays and two more fucking titles for the fucking shit Lakers, we also got multiple knee surgeries and throat cancer.

I dunno, is there a curse on the Nuggets?

by ParkHillNative on Nov 19, 2010 6:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Excellent Post

I’ve got to say, us Nuggets fans are way too easily pleased. Our team makes it to the WCF and we are all so happy about it. I will never be satisfied until the Nuggets win a championship in convincing fashion! I love the Nuggets and have the highest expectations. This season is thus far a disgrace. There is the small possibility that things will turn around after we finally have a winning streak. Unfortunately, even a winning streak can’t solve the deep fundamental issues this team has. Karl is not a bad coach, but he is not suitable for this team, thats for sure.

by the big bill on Nov 19, 2010 6:46 PM MST reply actions  

Try as I might,

I just can’t disagree with much of your doom and gloom. It doesn’t hurt that your post avoided putting all of the blame on Melo…

We look terrible and the fact that we have as many impressive wins as we do ridiculous losses doesn’t help the optimist in me. While I wish and wish and wish that Melo would just surprise everyone and sign the extension, I fear that the anxiety about his future is hurting the team, but not as much as:

  • Chauncey’s dagger 3 turning into a butter knife that wastes our shot-clocks and turns into fast break opportunities for even our slowest and most tired opponents
  • GK’s stubborn insistance on being a great guy and a crappy coach who doesn’t take time-outs, make adjustments outside of practice or let professional players redeem themselves on the court
  • Nene insisting on finesse shots instead of high percentage dunks and
  • The FO’s insistence on playing small no matter what line-up is in (hard to play big without any bigs, right?)

We have the potential for a solid win-streak starting with The New Jersey Nots. I suspect we will under-perform. Partly because of the proof that has been on the court recently and partly because doom and gloom is everywhere right now and rightfully so.

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by Big Mickey D on Nov 19, 2010 8:37 PM MST reply actions  

Don't think that people can't change

First off I should mention that I’m a pretty big Melo fan. Not as much as a lot of the people here, but he’s still one of my favorite players. I’m definitely harder on him than most, but with me (and I would presume Andrew as well) it’s nothing more than tough love. With the way Melo has been playing this year (focusing on improving other parts of his game, while sacfrificing the scoring) as well as the way he’s been handeling himself in general recently, I’m actually becoming a bigger fan as this goes on. I still don’t agree with the way he demanded a trade to begin the season, but since then he’s really been a true professional. He’s got my respect right now.

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by GoldenNugget on Nov 19, 2010 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t think that Melo “demanded a trade” but I"m starting to wonder if allowing the conjecture to go un-checked wasn’t just as bad in the long and short run.

By the by, “tough love” is for pussies. It doesn’t work and usually only points out the insecurities of the person faking the “love.” It’s the worst kind of passive aggressive – it’s aggressive/aggressive self excused by injecting a happy word into it. This is your DOOM & GLOOM post (and a very well constructed one at that.) Just say what you mean: “FUCK YOU MELO! Stay and play like a Champion or GET THE HELL OUT.” The only shame in that sentiment is, instead, masquerading it as some sort of “love.”

The above probably sounds too argumentative for what should be a very complimentary comment to a very thoughtful and entertaining post. Sorry GN.

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by Big Mickey D on Nov 19, 2010 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Since you went there...

Using the word “pussy” to mean wimpy has a non-vaginal etymology. If memory serves, it came from “pussy-footing.” We spent a week on that word and it’s “c-word” cousin in my Women’s Studies class in college. While the c-word has a much lengthier and disturbing etymology, we actually got our prof to accept the non-mysoginistic etymology theory for “pussy.”

Regardless, I’ll try and keep it cleaner for you.

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by Big Mickey D on Nov 20, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Now THAT

Was AWESOME! Big Mick you sound like a very intelligent woman and you are allowed to use the word pussy anytime you want….

by Raugesen on Nov 20, 2010 12:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

What makes you assume Big Mick is a woman?

Men do take Women’s Studies courses you know :)

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by SDcat09 on Nov 20, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Oops

You’re right. I guess that makes me seem a little insensative. Sorry Big Mick!

by Raugesen on Nov 20, 2010 1:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

No worries

Calling me a “very intelligent woman” is seriously the nicest thing anyone has said to me on this site. I am, however, male…

My Women’s Studies class in college was awesome. I originally signed up with ulterior motives but it ended up being in my top-five all time classes which is saying something considering how stupidly long I was in college.

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by Big Mickey D on Nov 20, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Well then

You are a very intelligent woman.

by Raugesen on Nov 20, 2010 4:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't realy like to use "tough love" a lot either

It’s not one of my favorite phrases, but I felt it was kind of fitting. And I said what I wanted to say, so I don’t understand what you mean.

I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
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by GoldenNugget on Nov 20, 2010 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Impressive, well-written post.

Makes me want to start my own weekly column! :P

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by Agaliarept on Nov 19, 2010 9:02 PM MST reply actions  

GN needs to quit blowing sunshine up people's behinds

things are not going as well as you think. adding more details to support your point of view will help make your case. you want doom and gloom i got some right here. 1st melo is traded. the team tanks and misses the playoffs. AFTER LOSING TONS OF MONEY THE NUGGETS RELOCATE TO ST. LOUIS. the western stock show moves to the pepsi center which means more cowboys will be getting their dully pick up trucks stuck in the drive through at mcdonalds. denver lands a WNBA team and soccer becomes the team to watch in colorado.

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by nohoops4u on Nov 19, 2010 10:12 PM MST reply actions  

you live in Seattle, too?

That’s exactly what it’s like here. Minus the stock show of course, but Key Arena’s probably too small for that too.

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by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Nov 20, 2010 3:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

i own a house in denver

and work for trident seafoods located in tacoma. i work at their facillity in akutan, alaska. i go through seatac airport 6 times per year. sad to see all those sonic jerseys and no team.

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by nohoops4u on Nov 21, 2010 9:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Never Happen

Kroenke also owns the Avs and Pepsi Center. They’d lose a ton of money moving either team.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 20, 2010 5:50 PM MST up reply actions  

think again

as a stand alone business the nuggets have never made any money. they could put a crappy team in st. louis and sell out all their home dates. last season the nuggets sold out 22 home dates AFTER playing in the western conference finals and winning 53 games.

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by nohoops4u on Nov 21, 2010 9:35 PM MST up reply actions  

But

its not a stand alone business, i think thats what he is saying.

by nsink on Nov 22, 2010 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

right

If they move the nuggets, the pepsi center sits empty, and he loses his ass paying for that. Having that empty would cost him much more than he could gain by moving the team to st. louis.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 22, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

it wouldn't sit empty for long,

I’m sure Vince McMahon would be interested in turning it into the full time Wrestlin Pepsi Can if he could. Its a nice arena.

by InboundingLobPass on Nov 23, 2010 1:39 AM MST up reply actions  

???

They move the wresting all around the country because no city will buy tickets every week for fake wrestling. No way the pepsi center hosts 42 wrestling events a year.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 23, 2010 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

wrestling is NOT fake

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by nohoops4u on Nov 23, 2010 9:53 PM MST up reply actions  

No, just no

Clearly this is just some crazy conspiracy theory, and it doesnt hold water. Yes, the Pepsi Center holds 20,000 people sitting in seats, but there is not much square footage. I am pretty sure the Western Stock Show was looking for 1million+ sq ft. Do you really think people would watch and just sit in the seats all day? I am sorry I had to bust open your doom and gloom scenario.

by Monkfish on Nov 21, 2010 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

yes, just yes

the western stock show is now run by former kroenke sports enterprises vice president paul andrews. the stock show takes place every year the 1st half of january. at that time mile high stadium home of the broncos is vacant. elitch’s is closed and the complex that holds metro state, community college of denver and university of colorado at denver is shut down for christmas break. i think that more than covers your 1 million + square feet. the largest single day attendance record for the stock show was 60,000. the show runs for 2+ weeks. there would be no 70+ million payroll for the basketball players. there are additional salaries for the coaching and training staff. the pepsi center pulled off the democratic convention that sent president obama to the white house. his acceptance speech was held at mile high stadium. (i refuse to call it invesco field). the 2 venues have worked together in the past. there is going to be a lock out of the players next season. great time to move a sports team. commisioner stern has talked about contraction or eliminating teams. it looks like a perfect storm to me.

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by nohoops4u on Nov 21, 2010 9:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay, all that is nice

but the type of place the stock show is looking for is more of a convention center, and less of a stadium/arena.

by Monkfish on Nov 22, 2010 12:02 AM MST up reply actions  

So I check out for a couple days and I come back to Doom and Gloom on the front page

well…the column needs more DOOM. Wasn’t pessimistic enough to live up to the DOOM. You were pragmatic, well, as pragmatic as DOOM column can get.

Not bad at all GN :)

Congrats on the front page my man.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Nov 20, 2010 2:31 AM MST reply actions  

I laughed several times while reading this GN

Who knew you were this humorous. I love when we can count on melo to win big games for us, but that fact of the matter is that we have been relying on his greatness perhaps too much this year. We don’t have a complete team due injuries and I think its time for KMART to go. That’s right, Kenyon has been the main problem with our lack of success. His massive contract (not his fault) has hamstrung our FO from truly getting adaquate complementary players. His poor decisons have resulted in very costly fouls at the most inoportune times. His attitude, while beneficial since most of the rest of entire team never plays honest defense, causes the players to whine often at the refs and seem resistant coaching. Kenyon brings a lot to the table, unfortunately he causes the rest of team to play ineffectively to accommodate him. Trade KMart for some good young talent and picks. If Melo wants to go then he will be traded since he and the FO are on the same page. I don’t think Masai is stupid enough to be conned by two superstars in less than one year’s time. Let’s make these changes and see what the future holds. I don’t think Melo really sees Harrington as being as, “hard” as he and Kenyon are and he wants to jettison himself from the this team. He’ll have had ample opportnity to take Denver to the promised land when he leaves for good, and I think his departure will be a dark day, but hey this is the column of Doom so I think its ok say to say that imo from day one Melo has been less than thrilled he got Drafted by Denver rather than a big East Team. Over time he has grown to think of Denver as home, but his desire to “Win Championships” will, likely incorrectly, lead him to believe it won’t be possible with the Nuggets.

tldr= good read GN, trade Kmart, Melo’s prolly gone.

by InboundingLobPass on Nov 20, 2010 3:46 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

For Whom The Schedule Tolls

Very well written GN, and a lot of really good points.

After reading everyone’s comments, I started thinking about how the schedule so far this season has affected the team’s performance and how that compared to the WC leaders. So I went back four weeks to see what was what. In that time the nuggets have had four straight weeks of playing three games in four nights as well as four back to back games. While this is no reason for losing some games that they should have won, I do believe it is a major contributing factor to our six and six record. I also believe the intensity of this schedule is taking a heavy toll on GK and his ability to coach effectively night in and night out.

Here is how we stack up to the top of the WC in back to backs based on today’s standings.

1. NOH – Two B2Bs
2. SAS – One B2B
3. LAL – One B2B
4. OKC – Two B2Bs
5. DAL – Zero B2Bs

With at least twice as many Back to Backs as the top five teams (I stopped at five cuz I got tired of looking up schedules) and a total of 16 games in 28 days this early in the season, fatigue has had to have been a real factor.

I’m not saying there aren’t doomsday scenarios that need to be addressed, Just trying to fully understand why we are at .500 with all the talent we have before James Earl Jones plunges his hand into our chest and yanks out our heart.

by lenscap on Nov 20, 2010 10:12 AM MST reply actions  

Great analysis!

It seems the Nuggets are always on a B2B and especially in fairly crucial games. I have to say, though, that GK has GOT TO STOP excusing road losses and letting his team think that a 21-20 road record is acceptable – it’s not.

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by Big Mickey D on Nov 20, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

this is kind of an interesting article about schedules

kinda makes you realize how complicated it can be to analyze.

But Denver actually plays the 4th most games (17) with at least 1 day of rest and the opponent playing their 2nd of a B2B. Only Phoenix, Chicago and Washington have more.

But that’s balanced out by a higher than average number of B2Bs themselves and strings of 4 games in 5 days.

Based on his analysis Phoenix, OKC and Cleveland have the most favorable schedules. NYK, Philly and LAC have the most difficult schedules. . (LAL are pretty tough too) But it kind of puts the rest the belief that scheduling favors big market teams.

by skithebert on Nov 20, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

The math works

but it isn’t always simple math. It’s like comparing numbers of fouls at the ENDS of games. They almost always balance out. The truth, however, rests in WHEN those fouls are called.

The mitigating factor that this spreadsheet doesn’t calculate is what an out-of-balance number of B2Bs at the beginning of a team’s season does versus a team like the Lakers having the bulk of theirs when they are in mid-season form…

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by Big Mickey D on Nov 20, 2010 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

yea, but in the same vein

you could say its worse having so many B2Bs at the end of the season when you are trying to get healthy for the playoffs.

there’s a million ways to analyze it. the point is the schedule is the schedule. it all evens out pretty well in the end. the good teams step up when they need to.

by skithebert on Nov 20, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

You're probably right.

I just think that you can really screw up a team by making the beginning of the season as tough (schedule-wise) as Godfather Stern has made it on the Nuggets. There aren’t many events, sports, relationships etc. etc. that you can start poorly and expect to finish well.

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by Big Mickey D on Nov 20, 2010 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

About the schedule

Here’s my thinking on that… Denver actually has won their tough schedule games – ie. road games on the second night of a back to back (except for Indiana).

Then you look at the games where Denver has gone on the road with plenty of rest and failed consistently. They even played Phoenix on the road after the Suns completed a late game against the Lakers the night before… and still lost badly.

That’s why the schedule argument doesn’t hold up for me. Yeah we had to play a lot of good teams but if you look at strength of schedule – the Spurs, Hornets, and Mavericks are all playing against the same number of quality opponents we are. We have had more back to backs, but those aren’t the cause for our losses. We are actually losing the games the easier games outside of the back to backs when we’d have plenty of time to prepare. The last 2 road losses to Phoenix and Portland being by far the most troubling.

We have played a lot of good teams, but we just don’t measure up right now. Hornets, Mavs, and Spurs are all playing tough opponents like we are and they keep winning. I guess now that the schedule opens up a bit we can see what this team is really made of. But these seemingly “easy” games upcoming on the schedule are the same ones the Nuggets have been prone to lose so far this season. So we just have to watch out and see if they can turn it around in spite of the rough start

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by runningdonut on Nov 20, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

mmmm, that was doomy...

though not as doomy as I expected.

My two cents: the number one problem this team is having, as currently configured, is consistency of effort. A few obvious exceptions aside, we just don’t show up for 48 minutes a night. Even in some of our wins, we’d tank for six minutes at a time before getting invested in winning again. Sometimes it looks like we’re just playing aloof with the idea that we’re going to make a huge comeback late in the third, or even later if that doesn’t happen.

Even in Portland when our lack of height showed as Aldridge repeatedly dominated the offensive boards, we still had plenty of opportunities to cancel out those second chances, but we settled too much on offense and just lacked the intensity to stay in the game. In most of the losses this season, we’ve just looked complacent, like we’re sitting pretty on the idea that we CAN beat anybody, and then we don’t prove it. In most professional sports and definitely in professional basketball, any team can beat any other team on any given night, so the mere knowledge that we are capable of beating teams like the Lakers is simply not worth jack shit if we’re not willing to put forward the consistency of effort required to actually make it to the postseason.

I still contend, even with our injuries, that we have enough talent to make the playoffs, but we just can’t seem to show up on an every day basis. I want to play the Bulls and the Knicks and the Nets like they are the freakin’ Lakers; we should always play like we’re rising to an occasion. At this point, every win seems like an occasion. Losing to Portland if we were winning most of our games wouldn’t be as big a deal, but when we’re struggling to maintain a winning record it’s a real kick in the morale.

…right in the morale’s testicles.

by deezNuggets on Nov 20, 2010 12:34 PM MST reply actions  

I believe

THe lack of consistency of effort, of focus, is do to the ongoing Melodrama. They have been covering up the effects well so far but i believe it plays a much larger role. Everytime Melo speaks the team does worse. Game 1 win ( keeping options open), “Time for a change”, etc. trade rumors of Ak-Favors. Gk looks disinterested like he knows melos gone, Billups looks pissed, kenyon isnt even trying to come back.

I think we need to make our move soon. (especially before Favors earns the starting job and his value goes up). I heard Nets GM came in for the game last night to meet with Uriji, hopefully that will lead somewhere. (please no outaw!). Id take picks favors and a piece for melo. (hopefully something better than AK),

 give chauncey the option to stay. (if he wants to he can lead the youth and mentor the young guys without melodrama, if he wants to leave we can trade him (maybe to orl for gortat+), (or to NY felton cant run a pick and roll), (atl maybe teague and crawford),

test Jrs market, if we could nab say a Jason thompson, take it. id probably take a gadzuric and a wright also . id also depend on what we’d get back in a melo or billups trade.

Id trade Kenyons either in a package or by itself for anything, He doesnt want to be here if Melo isnt. Even a trade exemption might be nice, although who knows how that will work be next season.

Maybe try and package birdmans contract with something to get rid of it.
Id actually keep Al harrington, i think he is grateful and a hard worker. Him and nene and billups could be the veteran core to Lawson, AAA, and Favors. and hopefully with whatever stud we get for GS’s and NJs 2012 picks. (harrison barnes please)

by nsink on Nov 21, 2010 8:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Good luck getting Barnes in 2012

as he’s almost a lock to come out in 2011.

by TChizza on Nov 21, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Not

If there is a lock out. And shoot we’d have Nets 2011, and GS 2012 so hopefully out of the two we could snag some good lotto talent.

by nsink on Nov 22, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Just wait for Kmart to come back GN

As always, the Nugs will win a lot more with Kmart than without. He is by far the most vital player to this team and has been for years now. The Nugs are always an average team without Kmart yet a stellar team with him. Go back through the years and do the math if you need but I would have thought that u being the big Nugs fan you are that you would have noticed this a long time ago. Just wait until he is back, it will be some good shit and a hell of a story that everyone will atribute to something other than Kmart being back!

by Gasus on Nov 22, 2010 5:21 PM MST reply actions  

I hope you're right

I agree about KMart’s value in the past, he is the toughest, most strong-willed player this team has. I am worried about his knee/ and contract dispute with the FO. I know I am in the minority on this one, but I think we should offer him another contract, or at least give him assurances of one to come.

by the big bill on Nov 23, 2010 12:18 AM MST up reply actions  

and by "we"

I mean Josh and Stan, not the Fans.

by the big bill on Nov 23, 2010 12:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Nugs should definitely offer him a contract

I just hope they are waiting to see if he comes back from the knee. When he does and is playing good ball again then the Nugs would be idiots not to offer him 5 or 6 mill a year for 4 years with a team option for the 5th. I would try to make his contract similar to Harringtons to keep the team happy. Melo’s best friend on the team is Kmart so I really think they need to lock him up if they want Melo too. God it would be nice to have Kmart for 5 or 6 mill as I think he would be a monster steal at that price.

In the future and for the rest of this year I think they should give Kmart the Tim Duncan treatment. Rest him on the first or second of back to backs depending on the importance of each game and limit his minutes to around 30 with end of games a high priority. I truly believe the Nugs future lies in whether or not they extend Kmart because this has to be a huge factor in whether or not Melo stays.

by Gasus on Nov 23, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't offer the minimum

okay that’s an exaggeration, but anything more than the minimum is wasting money. A healthy Kmart could be a key contributor. Lots of good things about his game. The problem is there is no such thing as a healthy Kmart. Unless he’ll play for the minimum, let him go be injured for some other team.

The Kmart trade has been by far the single worst decision of the Melo era, and the problems it caused the team are directly responsible for the situation we are in now.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 23, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

shaq is playing for the minimum

and iverson went from a max deal to the minimum too. there is still the possibility mark cuban and the mavs could step up and waste major money again.

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by nohoops4u on Nov 23, 2010 9:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Doesnt

Cuban hate kenyon and vice versa

by nsink on Nov 24, 2010 6:46 AM MST up reply actions  

they have 1 thing in common - they both love money

and kmart is from texas. kmart would be perfect for a finnese team like dallas.

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by nohoops4u on Nov 24, 2010 9:44 PM MST up reply actions  

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