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A Realistic Look at where the Nuggets are now, and where they will be

After the loss in Sacramento, the reaction from Denver Stiffs readers seemed to be that of disgust and anger. I mean, how can a team that most projected to at least challenge for the Western Conference's best record, play like a team that is headed for the lottery? Many of you pointed out (rightfully) that the Nuggets just did not put forth 100% effort when going on the road (as evidenced by an 8-11 road record, good for 8th out of 15 West teams). There is also the issue of losing to bad teams (as evidenced by an 11-8 record against sub-.500 teams, this is not good).

But in the end, the Nuggets will be fine. Maybe not great like we had hoped for; but at this point, nearly halfway into the season, this is pretty much it. Unless the FO can trade for an impact player, this is the Nuggets. Frustrating on the road, brilliant at home, frustrating against bad teams, brilliant against good teams, unable to win without their stars, able to win without their stars.

The team is good. They will make the playoffs, they will probably cruise to a division title and at least a 3rd seed (unless Portland makes a big trade which would drop Denver to maybe 4th or 5th), all on talent alone.

Sure, we had hoped before the season that the Nuggets would win 55ish, maybe even 60 games if everything broke exactly right. But unfortunately, reality kicked in (in my opinion) after the loss to a severely undermanned Detroit team on December 10th. All the problems we saw in advance (lack of rebounding, lack of size, inconsistency from JR) were compounded by several key injuries as well as newer, more unexpected problems (poor defense, slow starts for Birdman and Chauncey, why the heck does Balkman never play). Also, Anthony Carter.

Can the Nuggets win 60 games? Yes, they can. But if you want to be technical about it, they can also lose 60 59 games and hope no one notices.

Can the Nuggets win 50 games? Well, it would require them to go 27-18 the rest of the way. Considering that they have 23 games left at home and 22 on the road, 27-18 should be reached. The schedule does get tougher though, particularly in the month of February, when the Nuggets will visit Cleveland, Utah, and the Lakers twice, and receive visits from Phoenix, San Antonio, Dallas, and Boston. Next month also comes complete with 3 back-to-backs, with 2 of the 3 being road back-to-backs.

For us fans though, we realistically cannot expect the Nuggets to overtake the Lakers. Whereas our team is not very deep and pretty banged up, the Lakers have a ton of depth and Kobe playing at an elite level with, what is it, 3 fingers on each hand? Despite this, we can hope for the Nuggets to overtake Phoenix and Dallas while holding off Portland and San Antonio.

Even if they don't acquire a big man, the Nuggets will still be fine. They might have a tougher time down the stretch, but as presently constructed the Nuggets do have the talent to stay among the top 3 in the West. It's just not reasonable to expect a big trade or a "wake-up call" at this point. It could happen, but the chances are small at best. (And no, firing the longtime coach in the midst of a potential 50-game season is not the best way to "wake up" the team.)

So let us, the fans, calm down and be thankful for what should be a good season, and keep the disgust level to a minimum. Because in the end, there is one thing which brings us all together: we all hope that, sometime in June, there will come a time when Anthony Carter is holding a basketball and we are not shielding our eyes, because the ball in his hands is golden.

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Are you about to renounce your fanhood of the Nuggets because ah not again nene dunk that man fire greoge karl god jr dont take that shot birdman box out whats wrnog with you where is melo lets trade melo we are better without him lets trade him for lebro
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I like the poll...that was funny

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by SDcat09 on Jan 10, 2010 4:29 PM MST reply actions  

I can't even understand the poll

If we don’t get 50 wins this season Karl is gone, period. And all the true Nuggets fans are happier than a pig in sh*t.

by GoldenNugget on Jan 10, 2010 8:05 PM MST reply actions  

I think the point is

that no matter if you hate the coach, or players, or how piss poor they can play, you will still always remain a fan and stick with them. So you aren’t bandwaggoning pretty much, which I doubt anyone here is.

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by Phil H. on Jan 10, 2010 8:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Hold on

You’re saying you’d rather the team not reach 50 wins?

The point of the poll is that there are so many people who, after a tough loss like the one in Sacramento, immediately call for the team to trade Nene, or trade JR, or fire GK, or (my favorite) trade Melo “because the team doesn’t need him he’s too selfish.” But when you really look at the team (say from the perspective of a 2007 Nuggets fan), you will realize that it is a good team. We don’t necessarily “have to” make a trade; it would help, of course, but it is not something that absolutely has to happen for the Nuggets to win a high seed.

And with regards to firing GKarl:
1) if he gets fired in the middle of the season, then NO, I do not believe it is a good move (unless the Nugs are on a 1-12 run or something). See my reasons above.
2) if he leaves at the end of a 45 win season with a first-round exit, then YES, I do see that as a good thing. I won’t try and defend someone if the results aren’t there.
3) if he leaves at the end of a 50+ win season with a deep playoff run, then NO, I do not see that as a good thing. Look, despite everything else, 50+ wins + playoffs is the definition of a good season. The Nuggets are headed for that benchmark for the second straight season, and things are looking up (Melo has been amazing, Ty Lawson has been Lawesome, AA has been solid, JR and Nene still have room to grow).

It boils down to this, and this was really the point of the Fanpost: Do you believe the Nuggets had a realistic shot at 57-60 wins coming into the season? And if so, then why are they going to fall short of that by 5-10 wins? If you think GK is the reason, then I ask you whether or not there is another coach available who could’ve taken the team to 60 wins.

by Uh on Jan 10, 2010 10:27 PM MST up reply actions  

No I do not WANT us to not reach 50 wins

I want us to have as much success as we can, regardless of who is at the helm. But yes, I think that this team was poised to win 55 + games this season, and the fact that we are going to be pushing to win 50 at this point in time is a great disappointment. I certainly blame a ton on the injuries, but once again, our record shouldn’t be as bad as it is with all of the injuries we have had. This is proffesional basketball. You HAVE to due with what you have at times. I don’t see the Lakers dropping game after game when they don’t have Gasol or Artest, so why do we?

by GoldenNugget on Jan 11, 2010 12:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Because they have Kobe Bryant + one of the easiest schedules in the league?

Food for thought. 22 back to back games is nothing to sneeze at. At least we’re beating the big teams in our house when it counts.

Swats.

by BeefySwats on Jan 11, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

As far as a realistic look at things goes

I am more inclined to agree with Roundball Mining Co’s assessment of Saturday’s loss to the Kings:

If Denver fails to earn the second seed in the west and fails to return to the Western Conference Finals it is games like tonight that will be the reason. I do not care who is on the floor or who is out of the lineup, everyone can play smart basketball.

Sacramento is now 2-7 over their previous nine games and both wins have come against Denver.

http://www.roundballminingcompany.com/2010/01/10/2009-10-game-37-denver-nuggets-100-sacramento-kings-102/

by ParkHillNative on Jan 11, 2010 1:33 PM MST reply actions  

Classy

One poll option.

Nuggets = 5th or 6th seed that will “upset” whoever they meet in round 1, but then get knocked out in round 2.

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by LACK on Jan 15, 2010 7:00 PM MST reply actions  

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