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The remarriage we're all waiting for...

Nba_g_iverson_brown_300_mediumOne of the fun things about being a Nuggets fan is that while some players may come and go briefly, you end up rooting for them anyway.  Allen Iverson is one of those players for me.

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If I had a list of my favorite "briefest Nuggets career" players - i.e. two or less complete seasons played in a Denver uniform - it would include Iverson, Jon Barry (my all-time favorite one season Nugget), Keon Clark, Ricky Pierce, Don MacLean, Jalen Rose, Brian "Bison Dele" Williams, Orlando Woolridge, Jay Vincent and Darrell Walker.

Of all the players on that list, only Iverson is a top 30 all-time player in NBA history.  And yet at 34 and admittedly several steps slower than he's ever been, he's joined 10% of all Americans who can't find a domestically located job right now.

Even though it produced mixed results, I loved the Iverson trade for the Nuggets when it happened back in December of 2006.  Trading Andre Miller, Joe Smith and two number one picks to get "The Answer," Iverson kept a Nuggets team afloat that had been derailed by long term suspensions to Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith.  We - and me first and foremost - tend to look at the brief Iverson Era with a negative slant, but lest we forget that the 2006-07 Nuggets won 10 of their last 11 games and were deemed by many to be the hottest team entering the 2007 playoffs.  And with Iverson available for the entire 2007-08 season, the Nuggets pulled off their fourth 50-win season in NBA franchise history.

Despite all the off-the-court stuff we heard about Iverson during his tenure in Denver (every Denver-based Nuggets fan has an Iverson story, most are rumor and some are fact), Iverson indisputably played hard every time he walked on the court and gave the fans everything he had.  As he had done in Philadelphia, Iverson played through injuries, logged tons of minutes and scored a boat load of points.  The guy played with a broken bone in his hand and still appeared in all 82 games in 2007-08.  And that's why fans like me loved rooting for him.

The problem, of course, is that the 2007-08 Denver Nuggets weren't a 50-win, eighth place team.  According to Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin and Iverson himself, those Nuggets were capable of winning 60 games.  And Stan Kroenke's $83 million payroll (an astounding number for a small market team) certainly placed high expectations on the regular and post-season win totals.  At the time, I agreed that they were "capable" of a 60-win season, but I had them down for a more realistic 55 wins and a playoff series victory.  So when that team not only didn't win 55 but barely made the playoffs only to be swept by the Lakers without putting up a fight, there was plenty of blame to go around.  I initially placed the blame squarely on Nuggets head coach George Karl, feeling as though he squandered one of the greatest assembled rosters in Nuggets history.  And even though Karl himself has since admitted to being "confused" during the Iverson Era, Iverson - as the de facto team leader along with Melo - must also be held accountable for what went awry that season.

Entering the 2008-09 campaign and figuring that Iverson and his $22 million contract weren't going anywhere, I thought the answer to the Nuggets problems was a familiar face to Denver basketball fans and to Iverson himself: Larry Brown.  The myopic thinking on this end was that Karl would kick himself upstairs to the front office, the Nuggets would bring in his good friend Brown and Brown would take the 2008-09 Nuggets to the same place he took the 2000-01 Sixers (with Iverson) and the 2003-04 and 2004-05 Pistons...the NBA Finals.

But that scenario never had a chance of coming to fruition as the Nuggets were never going to pay out Karl's contract and bring in another $5-plus million a year coach.  Nor was Kroenke going to commit $83 million to the roster anymore.  Out was Marcus Camby and Eduardo Najera.  In was Dahntay Jones, Renaldo Balkman and Chris Andersen.  And soon enough, out was Iverson himself in exchange for Chauncey Billups in one of the greatest trades in Nuggets and NBA history.  And we all know what happened next.  With Billups on board, an already rejuvenated Karl and Nuggets team went on to produce the best season in Nuggets history.  

Meanwhile, Iverson's tenure in Detroit was a complete fiasco, botched by a rookie coach, disgruntled veterans and a selfish, me-first Iverson.  Rather than keep his mouth shut, earn his $22 million and at the very least fake his way into being marketable for this summer's free agent market, Iverson was by all accounts petulant and, pardon the expression, a total pain in the ass.  It got so bad that the Pistons asked Iverson not to play towards the end of the season, and both sides cited a suspect back injury as Iverson skipped the playoffs altogether.  Even before Iverson's Detroit act went sour, it was questionable as to how much money a 34 year old, undersized guard with a dicey reputation would make in the open free agent market, and during a recession no less.

All that said, I'm still hoping Iverson finds a new home this summer and it's clear to me that there's only one place for him to go: Charlotte to reunite with Brown.  Both Iverson and Brown have showered each other with praise since their much publicized divorce in Philadelphia years ago, and Brown went on record this week saying: "He's done a lot for me, and if we could work it out – the money, the opportunity to play – I'd be all for it."  Moreover, Iverson would be reunited with former Sixers teammate and no-nonsense guy, Raja Bell, while providing the Bobcats with the scoring punch they desperately need (the troubled franchise finished dead last in scoring in 2008-09).  With Iverson on board coached by Brown, the Bobcats could conceivably make their first postseason appearance in franchise history.  It's the remarriage we're all waiting for.

Regardless of where he ends up, I'll continue to keep a close eye on Iverson and root for his resurrection.  He will remain on my list of favorite "briefest career Nuggets," but I'm most grateful he's not the Nuggets problem anymore.

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Amen

Good read Andrew. I too have always loved AI. This past season wasn’t all his fault, it was the dumb ass coach’s fault for not being able to figure out anything basketball related. We got 50 wins with AI, which is a monumental achievement in Denver. The Sixers got the Finals with him and a bunch of stiffs, more or less. AI is a different kind of player, probably the most unique in NBA history, but if you can just figure out how to play with him as Larry Brown has, he is just as valuable as Lebron, Kobe, Wade, ect. I too hope he lands in Charlotte to produce their first playoff birth ever and rejuvenate his career. I don’t think AI will ever win a championship, which is sad, but I at least hope he finishes off his career the right way.

by GoldenNugget on Aug 20, 2009 11:19 AM MDT reply actions  

He came to play

and I will never forget that. All the other stuff aside and all the problems he has had in his carreer mean nothing to me because he always came to play, and he always played hard.

Are we better without AI? Hell yeah we are – but they can pry my Nugget’s Iverson jersey from my cold dead hand

by DannyG23 on Aug 20, 2009 11:51 AM MDT reply actions  

He was fun to watch!

I saw one of, if not the last game he played as a Nugget at the Staples Center in Los Angeles in a Pre-Season game against the lakers, Melo didn’t play, but the Birdman was there. I think Iverson and Birdman could have had a good chemistry together….but I guess we will never know.

PS: The word now is that Brown says Iverson likely won’t be traveling to Bobcat land anytime soon… bummer

by InboundingLobPass on Aug 20, 2009 12:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Bring him to Denver

I would like to see AI take a 6th man role for the Thuggets. Perfect fit, need a scorer off the bench, why not bring in one of the greatest of all time? I know, he probably won’t like that role but maybe he will be able to see with a shot at a championship the Nugs would like him as a valuable 6th man. Just dreaming probably though. Looks like Stan’s pocketbook is wired shut. I wonder if he lost a ton in the stock market or if he is hoarding cash to buy the Rams?

by Gasus on Aug 20, 2009 12:52 PM MDT reply actions  

iverson has been adamant that he won’t come off the bench. he’s said he’d “rather retire than come off the bench.”

by shoothoop on Aug 22, 2009 2:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Iverson

Always been a fan, but I think the way that he plays (relying on athleticism to score and make plays) doesn’t work well for him anymore. The guy is 34, and by that age you don’t run like you’re 21, so yes he lost a few steps, and those few steps were probably what enabled him to score some more buckets. If feel bad for him that he never won a ring, because he’s a great player, just unique and hard to figure out how you want to use him (doesn’t play like a pg, too small for a sg).

by bodmiesta on Aug 20, 2009 1:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Thank you.

Behind Jordan, of course, Iverson is my 2nd all-time favorite player. I hate how people just bash this guy and didnt realize that Denver had a 50 win season with him and that he and Melo both averaged like 25 points a game. The season he got traded to Denver they both were averaging 30 points a game at that point. Yeah he requires alot of shots but if he and melo can average 25 on a team with JR Smith and Kleiza and crazy shot Camby and still win 50 games, then something had to have gone semi-right.

Problem was, AC was the starting PG with Iverson starting at the 2. So who is gonna guard Kobe…..thats why they got swept.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 20, 2009 2:11 PM MDT reply actions  

No doubt

Our gaurd situation was wack – that is just one of the problems you will always have if Iverson is in the lineup

by DannyG23 on Aug 20, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Always?

I don’t think it’ll be whack when you team him up with Raja Bell in the backcourt. AI can be the quick defender trying for the steal, and Bell is a bit bigger, can guard the shooters. That’s why Charlotte is the best option for him.

by Geerten on Aug 21, 2009 2:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Depends on what happens with Felton.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 21, 2009 7:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

So

does Iverson play point in that situation?

by DannyG23 on Aug 21, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I dont like a Felton, Iverson back court. But Larry Brown played Eric Snow and Iverson and made it to the finals (although that was a much different time). If they are starting together of course Felton runs point.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 24, 2009 6:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

all I'm sayin is

No matter what – the guard situation is weird. Iverson isn’t a PG, and he is really small for a SG. It can work – like w/ Snow I guess, but their is always potential for a serius matchup problem.

by DannyG23 on Aug 24, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just want to say that while I think a lot of the criticisms of Iverson are warranted, I will always be a fan. In spite of his defensive limitations and playing style, the man always played hard. I just don’t think the way the NBA is set up right now, where championships are won by defense-first teams, is the right environment for a player like Iverson to excel.

by Fly Agaric on Aug 20, 2009 3:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Good Read

Nice article, Andrew. I agree, I liked AI when he was here. He played his butt off. Now, I did not like how Melo played with him. If anything, Melo was more selfish and less disciplined with A I on board. I hope AI doesn’t have to finish his career in Europe. He would actually bring some much needed scoring off the bench for the Nuggs if he could accept that role.

PS: Walter Davis should be added to your list of great Nugget short timers. He provided a nice spark off the bench for a few of those Moe teams. I also liked juwann Howard when he was here. Such a classy guy.

by ACEIII on Aug 20, 2009 4:04 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

True dat!

Juwan Howard is a true professional athlete. The Nuggets were absolutely awful that year, and he came to play!

by Geerten on Aug 21, 2009 2:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Greyhound

I LOVED Walter Davis. I thought about including him but he exceeded my criteria for a brief Nuggets career. “The Greyhound” played about 3 full seasons for the Nuggets. And yes, Juwan Howard was a class act in a very bad situation in Denver. Good call.

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by Andrew Feinstein on Aug 21, 2009 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

boo hoo

ai is living proof there is no i in teamwork. one of the greatest INDIVIDUALS to play the game and the biggest cancer to have on a team. one step forward and 2 steps backward. after seeing what happened in denver and detroit last season the only person ai can fool this season is himself. he is a bad example for any young player and a total buzz kill for team unity. it was and always will be all about ai no matter what. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. GET USED TO IT AI BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO GAMES FOR YOU TO PLAY IN THE NBA THIS YEAR!

by robble donnert on Aug 20, 2009 5:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

I was and will continue to be an AI fan. He has never been a true point guard and I felt that he did exactly what they paid him to do for us, score points. Clearly the experiment did not work out well here in Denver, but few knew that it wouldn’t. At the time it seemed like a very promising move for us. And although I was initially disappointed in the AI/Billups trade, that proved to be one of the best moves in Nuggets history. I also remember how hard he played ( many seem to forget) and how we would be down 10 points or more and he would come in and shoot us back into the game.
He was not a good fit here ( or better said, what we needed) but I too will continue to root for him wherever he lands ( except maybe LA).

by chilly dog on Aug 21, 2009 9:13 AM MDT reply actions  

disagree

I’m going to have to come down on the other side here. Used to be an Iverson fan before he was traded to the Nuggs, didn’t like the trade, and now don’t like the guy at all. My dad called me up after the trade to ask me how happy I was we got AI and I told him not one bit. A. because I have never believed him to be a team player and B. because I was (still am!) a big Andre fan. AI may be one of the most dangerous men on the planet in a 1 on 1 situation but I think he is the Cancer to a squad. I think his lifestyle and jacking up 25-30 shots a game were detrimental to all the young guys on the squad.
People talk about the 50 games we won with Iverson but what about when we jettisoned him for a TEAM player…WC finals.
This last season only reinforced my viewing of him. I don’t think you could find me 2 people who actually believe he sat out the end of the season due to injury. The guy is getting older with diminishing skills and is equipped with the same gigantic ego that has caused Brett Favre to become a yearly target of my dislike.

by RockyNuggets on Aug 21, 2009 10:44 PM MDT reply actions  

ai

the greatest one on nine player that ever lived AND the ultimate ball hog

by numbnugs on Aug 22, 2009 12:36 AM MDT reply actions  

The Canswer

Good luck finding someone who will actually sign you AI. No one in Colorado misses you.

by the real stranger on Aug 22, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Boobcats just signed him LOL.

Iverson is a Top 50 all-time player. I still occasionally wear his jersey (I was a big fan until this season)

"I shoot so many 3's because I can't shoot 4's"

by LACK on Aug 23, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bobcats are going to surprise a LOT of people next year. Iverson is on a mission and he’s on a team very similar to the 01 sixers. Bad offense, good defense. I see Charlotte as a 6-7 seed.

by OneMoreSucka on Aug 23, 2009 12:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Charlotte is going where, in particular?

They dealt away their early identity in Okafor, apparently to get out from under the guy’s deal in the medium term. Signing Iverson for his reunion tour with Larry Brown is going to get them where in 3 years’ time?

Granted, it’s about time for Brown to put in a surprising uptick for his team, and maybe guys like Felton will emerge in a big way…. I just don’t see how that’s a team heading for greatness. Toss in the vaunted Michael Jordan, GM version…. Not looking that bright in the future, in my book.

by feral on Aug 25, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Felton also remains unsigned at this point ...

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by Nate Timmons on Aug 25, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good catch

The Bobcats also may very well owe the Timberwolves their first round pick next draft. It’s protected to #12 or something.

Even if they catch a little bump, where are the assets for improvement from there? Allen Iverson experiences a renaissance?

by feral on Aug 25, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

YES!

Iverson is gonna shut alot of people up this year. Better yet, people will still be talking, but they will be saying how wrong they were about Iverson. He wont act an ass with Jordan watching him, no way.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 24, 2009 6:35 AM MDT reply actions  

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