Marc Gasol ... untouchable?
The Malik Allen trade yesterday has spurred quite a bit of big man talk around here and over on Denver Stiffs. A name that keeps popping up is Marc Gasol ... the younger brother of Pau Gasol (our favorite!)
Just look at Gasol's numbers from last season: 82 games played, 30.7 minutes a night, 53% shooting, 73.3% from the charity stripe, 11.9 points, 7.4 rebounds (2.5 offensive, 4.9 defensive), 3.2 fouls, 1.1 blocks, and 1.7 assists. Gasol had a career night on November 3, 2008 versus Golden State when he put up 27 points and grabbed 16 rebounds ... that was just one of his 16 double-doubles. And those 27 points he scored only lasted until March 7, 2009 when he set his new career-high of 30 points against the 76'ers.
Oh and did I mention that he wont be 25 until January 29th, 2010?
The question becomes ... now that Memphis drafted Hasheem Thabeet does that mean that Gasol may be on the trade block?
Well, I'm no expert on things related to the Memphis Grizzlies - so I reached out to Chip Crain from 3 Shades of Blue for some insight into Gasol's availability.
The popular Grizzlies blogger has an impressive bio:
The old man of the blog, Chip is 47 yrs old and has been an avid NBA fan since his college days at SMU following the expansion Dallas Mavericks. A veteran of the Grizzlies Message board, Chip was invited by Josh Coleman to join the blog and was promoted to owner during Josh’s sabbatical. Chip has developed close relationships within the Grizzlies organization which gives him access to the inner workings of the Memphis Grizzlies unsurpassed in the blogging universe. While being so close to the leadership has created problems with objectivity Chip tries hard to separate his personal feelings about the team with the feelings of those he talks to. Chip generally focuses on pre-game commentary during the season and interviews with Grizzlies insiders and players.
Here is the email exchange I had with Chip about the trading of Marc Gasol to the Nuggets:
Nate: "We've been discussing, all offseason, different moves the Nuggets could make for a big man. My readers have taken a liking to Marc Gasol for his size, cheap contract, and overall inside presence that he'd bring.
I don't see Memphis wanting to deal a guy who practically put up a double-double on a nightly basis, but figured I'd ask somebody with more knowledge on the subject.
Would Memphis consider trading Gasol this season? What would they demand in return?"
Chip Crain of 3 Shades of Blue: "Untouchable is my immediate response. Gasoline is a legitimate starting NBA center. He is 24 years old, 7'1'' tall, shot around 50% from the floor and grabbed (7.4) boards last year. He has range out to 10-12 feet right now and with a low post scorer should be able to get it off more this year than last. Then you factor in his his toughness and passing ability and his contract plus the reality that Thabeet and (Hamad) Haddadi being ill-prepared to play significant minutes and you see why he can't be traded.The other problem involves the Nuggets offer. Are you willing to part with Nene? Nobody wants Kenyon (Martin) and (Chris) Andersen just re-signed so I don't believe you can trade him even if you were willing.Finally Gasol probably isn't a great fit for Denver. He's a big muscle-elephant not a gazelle. The greatest advantage Denver has is the altitude. Why would they want to negate that with a slow interior player?So outside of the Grizzlies not being able, the Nuggets not having what they need, and Gasol not being a great fit anyway it makes a lot of sense!"
As you can tell from Crain's response ... it would be very difficult to pry Gasol loose from Memphis. While Thabeet is a project and maybe the man of the future ... Gasol has proven himself as a reliable center already and that's a rare thing in the NBA. If Memphis did trade Gasol they would have to basically throw Thabeet to the wolves and no GM with a brain would do that. But that is where Memphis' GM Chris Wallace comes into play. Wallace isn't known for being trade savvy ... cough ... Pau Gasol to the Lakers ... cough ... trading for Zach "Pass?" Randolph ... cough ... excuse me!
The Nuggets do however possess the ability to offer something Memphis loves ... the chance to save money! Memphis recently traded for Randolph and his contract that will pay him roughly $33 million over the next two seasons. Aside from him the only other horrible contract on the books comes in the form of Marko Jaric who is owed $7.1 million this season and $7.6 million for the 2010-11 season.
Denver could potentially offer up say Malik Allen's ($1.3 million) and Steven Hunter's ($3.7 million) expiring contracts and take on Gasol and Jaric who have a combined number of $10.3 million next season. Denver could take on the extra $5.3 million with their $8.7 million trade exception. Although this deal would work ... I'm not sure Memphis wants a straight salary dump and the bad press once again, but funnier things have happened.
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I think the Nuggets are better off with an athletic big, the warriors seem to have a lot of potential players, maybe we can try to get brandon wright with expiring contracts. They have Anthony Randolph, and Biedris as the bigs, and they still have magette, jackson, and ellis to fill out the rest of the starting lineup…I don’t know what their asking price may be though.
Don't forget about Ronnie Turiaf ... they still have him as well.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 1:04 AM MDT up reply actions
The Warriors seem to have a lot of young talent, and a lot of energy players. I guess the chemistry just isn’t working, but I don’t believe there’s a point to keep so many potential players around. They would still have Curry, Morrow, Belinelli, and Brandon Wright on the bench. Beyond that they still have Speedy Claxton which was a solid backup, and of course Ronny Turiaf, Azubuike. If any of those backups had a decent sized role like starting, or being a 6th man they can be solid. No point in paying so many players to sit on the bench. I’m sure if we tried to put some pieces together we could get a front court player, or someone that can help us win games.
I believe the Warriors will be rolling with Acie Law in some role at point guard and Speedy Claxton is set for a medical retirement.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Dude that ship has sailed.
The Clippers aren’t interested in trading Jordan and if the Nuggets want to contend for a championship this year, they shouldn’t bank on him anyway. He’s a couple of years away from being a consistent contributor. RAW.
I dunno
The Clippers have a pretty set rotation up front and Jordan is still mostly potential. Upside is just a word until you start seeing results. Clips have other needs on their team like another small forward. Kleiza anyone? Anyways it’s not the same but you wouldn;t really think that Denver would just give away Weems for nothing. It would be a very savvy move for the Nugs to get DeAndre Jordan and I don’t believe he is all that untouchable
by runningdonut on Jul 23, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
That didn't sound too promising
That guy sounded pretty assured there is no way we would be able to land Gasol. I don’t know why though, their GM has proven he isn’t the best in the league. But, I’ll take his word for it. He did make a good point though, maybe we are better off with Nene as our Center as he fits our running style perfectly. I still would appreciate a big body though. I guess Foster is our next target.
My feelings
It was maybe a possible longshot but the events of this summer have made it more and more unlikely Memphis would do it. First of all there’s no logical reason they’d trade Gasol for money purposes. He’s already their second best player on a really nice, cheap contract. Of course the fans wouldn’t want him traded because it wouldn’t really make any sense. They already have cap space and a $6 mil trade exception from the Z Randolph trade.
The other thing that hurts us is Thabeet’s play in the summer league. Clearly he is not even close to starting and at this point I think they will be happy if he can play 15 minutes of defense off the bench in his rookie year. He’s really a project with big upside, hopefully better than Darko which is why he was traded. Second, Memphis has used their cap space to make money saving moves already. They got Buckner in the Marion deal who can be bought out for cheap and save them money right away. I really don’t see why they would want expiring contracts. They will have cap space next year and an extra $5 mil isn’t worth giving up Gasol for, who only makes $3.5mil next year.
Denver really has garbage in terms of trade chips. We can take on a player from a team hurting financially, but really can’t send anything of value back. $5 mil of expirings is chump change. Kleiza doesn’t appear to have as much value as we thought. I don;t think the Grizzlies are penny pinching anyways, they traded for Z-Bo and thought about giving Iverson $5 million.
Lastly, I don’t know if Stan would be cool with taking on Jaric for getting Marc. That’s $10 mil to get Gasol and some guy with a really hot wife. $20 million when you factor in the lux tax.
by runningdonut on Jul 23, 2009 12:47 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
"some guy with a really hot wife" -Marko Jaric
Haha! Classic … and true. Google it my friends!
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 1:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't be surprised if Malik Allen isn't traded
This is what puzzled me about the Weems trade. Obviously, we called Milwaukee targeting Malik Allen. He doesn’t have value as an expiring contract, that’s just a minimum salary player. Weems was a better trade chip, young potential with a contract that can be bought out to save money if needed. I think Allen suits up for us next year, and Weems and Sharped were dumped for….. some unknown reason.
It’s a possibility, but I don’t quite get what the purpose of getting Malik Allen is. Yes, he’s a big body, but he’s not a very good player, and if he does stay on the team would only be sitting on the bench. I rather have Petro back since he’s young and athletic than replace him with Allen. I can see that Weems, and Sharpe will probably rarely see the court if they were on the Nuggets hence not having much value, however I feel like we could have gotten something a lot better in return.
Chris Wallace
Just a quick comment on Chris Wallace. He isn’t as bad a GM as people believe. When your boss tells you to trade Pau Gasol for as much cap space as possible you can’t blame him for finding the best cash deal. Wallace was barely involved in the Randolph deal as that was pure Heisley as well. Wallace is doing what his boss is commanding. His draft picks have been excellent and he is building a talented young team despite ridiculous demands on containg costs.
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That's an excellent point on Wallace.
But at what point do you stop letting your reputation get damaged if you truly do not want these trades because let’s face it … these deals happened on his watch and will be his legacy. I also don’t see the Pau Gasol deal being truly all that bad … aside from all the media negativity it received.
Not too many times do you trade a marquee player and get an above averaged center to replace him … and that above average center is only 24 right now and can get a whole lot better.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
He has built a nice team
And you are right, he has drafted very well, expect for Thabeet. I’m sure you guys have heard it before but I think he’s a bust. Maybe not a total bust like Olowakandi or something but, I don’t know, the kid has a LONG way to go. But I loved the Mayo trade, that was brilliant.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 23, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I think Conley, Gay, and Mayo make a nice trio. Conley is finally progressing, the question is are there enough shots between Gay and Mayo?
Keeping Love would’ve been nice though if only to talk about the Gay-Love combo!
I'm very interested to see how Randolph fits in. The guy is a 20 point scorer and likes to fill up the attempts sheet.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
and yeah Thabeet was a mistake…but who else could they have taken? Maybe Jordan Hill, but at 2? I guess they could’ve traded down.
That'd be about the same as them taking Thabeet ... no?
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Not at all
Becuase Evans, Rubio, Flynn even are guys who look like they could potentially be All-Stars. No matter how high you are on Thabeet or how well you think he will turn out, I don’t know if anybody believes he will turn into an All-Star simply becuase he is so challenged offensively.
Plus, the Grizz already knew Conoley wasn’t exactly panning out like they thought.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 23, 2009 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Lionel Hollins publically stated numerous times that it was Conley's team and they even went as far as to trade promising PG Kyle Lowry.
Conley then went out and put up the following numbers:
February: 14.5 points and 6.2 assists
March: 13.9 points and 5.1 assists
April: 15.6 points and 5.8 assists
I would say he’s panning out nicely.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 24, 2009 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
That's not what the draft is about though
What would you of done if, for example, we passed on Chris Bosh on draft day becuase we had a promising young PF in Nene? That’s just terrible management as far as I’m concerned. You just don’t do that kind of thing on this level. You ALWAYS take the best talent available reguardless of what type of roster you have.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 26, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Talent first
I agree with you. It’s a little bit different for me with point guards because they are sort of the ‘quarterback’ of the team, but I’d definitely take talent over need in the draft.
We just saw the Broncos do that with Knowshon Moreno and I liked it. You can always make a better trade down the line right?
Maybe that was Minnesota’s plan with taking Rubio and Flynn. See who pans out and trade the other guy or something.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 26, 2009 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
Even if you don’t need a position, you draft it anyways if it’s the best available talent because you can trade later on down the road and take back equal talent in a position of need in return. So, for example let’s say the Grizz took Harden at 2 instead of Thabeet. It looks bad on paper becuase you already have Mayo there but in a few years down the road when both of those guys are 20 ppg plus players you could trade one and end up with another All Star on your team. This is all really speculation of course because Thabeet may turn out alright, but if I had to bet on it I would say he would be the biggets bust since Darko.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 27, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions

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