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Yes, this play is CLEARLY not a flagrant. (Could you detect the sarcasm?)

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Yes, this play is CLEARLY not a flagrant. (Could you detect the sarcasm?)

Well this is pretty ridiculous:

The NBA has hit Denver Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin with a $25,000 fine and upgraded his Game 1 foul on Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki to a flagrant foul, league sources told ESPN.com on Monday.

Martin

An official announcement from the NBA confirming Martin's penalties is expected later Monday.

With 5:57 to play in the first quarter of Sunday's Game 1, Martin was called for a technical foul after knocking Nowitzki to the ground with a hard bump along the baseline after Nowitzki made his first six shots from the floor.

Nowitzki finished with 28 points and 10 rebounds but shot only 6-for-16 after the hot start. Denver pulled away in the fourth quarter for a 109-95 triumph to take a 1-0 series lead entering Tuesday night's Game 2 at the Pepsi Center.

The flagrant foul is Martin's first of the postseason and, after the upgrade from a technical to a flagrant foul penalty 1, puts one point in Martin's playoff "account." Players who exceed three points receive an automatic suspension for the next game after the three-point barrier is surpassed.

It's believed that Martin's history of hard fouls -- compared to Boston's Rajon Rondo, who escaped punishment for high-profile fouls in the Celtics' first-round series with Chicago -- led to a fine in addition to the reclassification of the foul.

Read the full story here.

 

Like Altitude TV's Scott Hastings would say, You can call this a flagrant ... that's fine. But you have to call it both ways. Rajon Rondo clearly got away with a game altering foul and the NBA has set a the bar ... PUSHING IS NOT OKAY ... PUNCHING IN THE FACE HOWEVER, IS JUST FINE!

I'm sure this play is on YouTube and I'll try to post the link to it ... but from how it looked to me Martin got a good amount of body on Dirk, but clearly the German flopped.

Thoughts?

 

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Poll
Did the NBA get this one right ... should Martin's foul be a flagrant and $25k fine?
Yes, it was clearly a flagrant foul. Just more of his thuggery. (oppositions favorite play on words for the Nuggets)
76 votes
No, Dirk flopped and it wasn't that hard of a foul anyway.
176 votes
Other (I'll explain in the comment section)
21 votes

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I can understand the Flagrant 1 call; however, a $25k fine is completely and utterly ridiculous, especially when compared to some of those other fouls that you mentioned. I believe KMart’s reputation preceded him in this particular case. I don’t think it was a flop…it was a pretty hard shove at a moment that Dirk was off-balance and he went flying. But $25k? C’mon.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 4, 2009 5:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

and btw...

I think it was totally worth it to set the precedent that the Nugs aren’t going to give Dallas anything easily. It’s going to be a rough and tough series whether Dallas likes it or not.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 4, 2009 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have it exactly backwards.

Fine, yes?

Flagrant no. Kenyon has plenty of money to absorb that fine, but a flagrant is much more serious because it carries with it the possibility of suspension.

And of course, NOTHING for Rondo. Bullshit.

by BeefySwats on May 4, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t doubt KMart’s ability to pay; however, I think the fine is the league’s way of saying that his foul was somehow worse than anything else that has gone on in the playoffs so far that wasn’t fined. I think it’s inconsistent to say the least.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 4, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way the national TV guys explained it

Was that it was a T instead of a flagrant foul because it came after the initial foul called and after the whistle. So, were they wrong or did the NBA f* this up?

The 25K fine is a joke. Robert Horry fouled guys like this for a living during the playoffs and never received flagrants or fines. And you know darn well they would never hand this sort of fine out to a Spur, Laker, or Celtic, no matter what the offense.

For the record, I didn’t think Dirk flopped on that particular play. It was a pretty hard shove. He did spend most of the game whining, even after good calls. And really should have had at least one T himself for getting in the grill of both officials.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on May 4, 2009 5:24 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Cuban?

I’m guessing here, but I would not be surprised if the Mavs cried about the foul disparity and getting “bullied” by the physical thuggetz D. It’s really laughable if you look at the foul, Kenyon got beat and threw a hard frustration foul (Dirk was on fire at that point). It wasn’t malicious and Dirk didn’t get hurt. I’m sure he would have been a lot more pissed if he thought Kmart was attacking him.

Dallas just has to get used to the playoffs

by runningdonut on May 4, 2009 6:16 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

lol?

What game were you watching?It was completely uncalled for….ahh yes… and “used to the playoffs”…. congrats on ya’lls first playoff win in 15 years… :)

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on May 5, 2009 1:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

Until either of us wins a title, this is pointless. I know the years haven’t been kind to you guys and you’ve had to go from being a power to a lower seed who needs a great draw to make even a whimper in the playoffs. We’re the up-and-comers now. You guys are on the downslide of the “Sacramento Arc”. Enjoy the ride.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 5, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I’m Kenyon, the league has an appeal heading in their direction.

"There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." - Richard Pryor

by DennardC on May 4, 2009 6:36 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It cannot be true.

It is absolutely impossible for this foul to be flagrant and Rondo’s foul be a regular foul.

The problem is that they are thinking about the situation, and they think Rondo’s foul is excusable because it was in the last play of the game and Martin’s isn’t because it is at the start.

Ridiculous.

"Do not rest in defense. You can spend 24 seconds in offense on resting. If you do good enough on defense, you will be able to rest on offense."

by sepioes on May 4, 2009 7:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

it wasn't that hard a foul

but Dirk didn’t flop. it was a hard push, and I loved it. Playoff basketball. Keep it coming.

by joshhopp on May 4, 2009 9:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't really think that counts as basketball.

He was harassing him on the wing and then fouled him on the drive to the basket. After the foul call was made, Kmart got petulant and pissy and decided to deck him.

That’s not playoff basketball, it’s garbage, and that’s why Kmart’s children will have $25,000 less in their inheritance. Thanks Daddy-thug.

by JayKim41 on May 5, 2009 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you a Mavs fan? From Texas?

When did Texans become such whiny, sniveling b!tches. It’s rather entertaining really. “Don’t mess with Texas….‘cause we’ll b!tch and moan you to death”.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 5, 2009 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the other texas team

You probably know them.

The “Holy crap ref, you cannot be serious!” face. Because, damn it, you totally would have made the right call if you’d seen what I saw.

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The Charles Barkley Playoff Ancestors Count: 3 Grandmothers , 0 Mother

"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "

by DOH on May 5, 2009 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It must be spreading like the pig flu.

“Pleeease….won’t somebody think about the children”…lol.

Toughen up cupcakes.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 5, 2009 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exhibit 2: You don't want to be like this guy!

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 5, 2009 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Don’t you know who I am? NOBODY calls fouls on me! Noooobody!!!”

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 5, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

You’re welcome to make broad generalizations based on geographical location. It makes you sound stupid.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 5, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid? You mean like a Texan?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 5, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

I know a few people here in the TX and I would hardly consider them stupid. Your ivory tower is only a figment of your imagination.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 5, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still like it though.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 6, 2009 2:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NBA excelles at inconsistency.

It might have been flagrant, but why fining afterwards? Unnecessary and looking very stupid next to the Rondo-treatment. Ofcourse, that’s hardly news. Boston gets away with unnecessary Thuggery (there, i said it) all the time.

61% think it was a flop and not that hard of a foul anyways…
speaking of flops, can someone find that awesome pic from game 1 where both dirk and J.R. flopped simultanously?

The Charles Barkley Ancestors Count: 23 Grandmothers, 0 Mother

The Charles Barkley Playoff Ancestors Count: 3 Grandmothers , 0 Mother

"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "

by DOH on May 5, 2009 8:05 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

obviously flagrant

It’s hard for any fan to objectively judge their own star, but seriously, it was a flagrant 1. Martin have fouled Dirk and play have stopped, thus the shove was unnecessary.

Rondo’s foul was also flagrant.

Also, you shouldn’t judge flagrant by whether the player got injured or not.

by catsil on May 5, 2009 11:08 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I dislike this poll

because there isn’t an option that doesn’t include flopping outside of bland “other”. I don’t think Dirk flopped at all. I think Martin gave him a shove and Dirk wilted like the exotic German flower that he is. I don’t think it was flagrant, but if they’re calling it that way, fine.

I also think a team that has become so conditioned to focusing on officiating ALL THE TIME like the Mavs is going to present a lose-lose situation no matter what happens. If you happen to win, the refs are going to be responsible because the league is conspiring against Dallas and if you lose, it’s because the refs called a clean game.

I wonder how Dallas makes the playoffs so consistently with the league hounding them…

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 5, 2009 11:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

regarding the flopping....

DMN

As far as Dirk Nowitzki is concerned, he’s never flopped a day in his life.
That’s not exactly an opinion shared by some Denver Nuggets.
Rex Chapman, the Nugs’ VP of player personnel, said that Nowitzki "is a very good actor, and that’s part of the game.‘’ The suspected thespian moment in question was when Kenyon Martin gave Nowitzki a good shove on a baseline drive, a play for which Martin ended up getting fined $25,000 for.
Nowitzki had a priceless comeback this morning before the Mavericks had a light practice.
“I didn’t know Rex Chapman was still alive,‘’ he said.
Then, Nowitzki detailed his acting skills.
“I don’t think I really acted on that play,‘’ he said. "It was pretty obvious that I drove baseline, got bumped, got the foul and kept on driving. Sometimes with the continuation in this league, he wanted to make sure I didn’t lay it in and give them (the refs) a chance to count the basket. I don’t think I acted on that play. I don’t think I am necessarily an actor. I try to play hard. And that’s about it.‘’
And, for the record, Nowitzki has never had acting lessons.
“But I was in Mike: The Movie and that was really good, I heard.’’
—Eddie Sefko

They also have a nice take from K-Mart’s Sister over there

“You can sit there and you can make comments about a person, and I just find it…I’m offended. I’m really offended because if he wasn’t doing his job, he wasn’t playing, he wasn’t defending, and I think you and the media are a little bit more upset about it than he and Dirk was, because they were laughing and giggling during the 3rd quarter and I’m quite sure they talk all the time.”

Don’t you hate it when they’re not really hating each other?

The Charles Barkley Ancestors Count: 23 Grandmothers, 0 Mother

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"There were arms coming from everywhere, and I knew they weren’t going for the ball," Miller said. "I was just trying to get [the shot] up before they called some crap like ‘on the ground.’ "

by DOH on May 5, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

and yet one of them is charged with a flagrant 1 and a 25k fine.

Yep…I do hate it.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 5, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

finally mark cuban is on the right side of a fine

maybe the purpose of this fine was to show the rest of the teams to calm it down a bit. in every series, there have been flagrant fouls left and right, and the nba wants it to stop. unfortunately kmart is the victim.

by theshmoes on May 5, 2009 4:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ridiculous

This is ridiculous as a fine and as a flagrant for the fact that it is completely inconsistent. A flagrant is a play not on the ball. Does this apply to that? Sure. But, how many other plays represent the same thing. Rondo, Darren Williams, the list can go on and on. If this is a flagrant, those need to be flagrant fouls. Usually, flagrant fouls are only called based on how the player falls, also ridiculous considering you can play the ball and someone can go down hard, but in this case, Dirk didn’t even fall that hard. If it happened after the initial fall call, its not a flagrant, its a tech, and the grand you lose on the tech should be the only fine.

by sub780lime on May 7, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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