This is not just another trade proposal
by LACK on Dec 15, 2009 4:11 PM MST
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OK, I guess that it is. However, this has a possibility of going down, and this is a very even trade, although it may tilt in Golden State's favor just a bit too much.
I tried this on Trade Machine, and salary-wise it works, but the link doesn't work.
Here it is:
J.R. Smith and Johan Petro to Golden State
Anthony Morrow and Ronny Turiaf and Kelenna Azubuike's expiring deal and an unprotected first round draft pick to Denver.
I know that Azubuike is injured, but he's an expiring, and I'm sure we could find some value for that at the deadline. Morrow has been struggling a bit, but when he's on he is a 3-point genius, and Turiaf is a true post banger who will be back around Christmas from injury. If this is too much in GS's favor (Smith is a really good player), then I guess we could have them send us a first-rounder because we'd take on another 2 million in salary including the luxury tax (at the rate they are going, they'll be drafting pretty high). Azubuike is out for the season with the same injury that Greg Oden has, but since 'Buike had his in mid-November, he may be back in the playoffs.
Thoughts, ideas?
My trade turns a somewhat inconsistent future star and a useless bench warmer for a 3-point specialist and a guy who can play center on a fastpaced team but also hold his own in the post (he's around 255 lbs I think), and the first-rounder livens things up.
Update: After reading some of your comments, I realized that we could sup Azubuike and the draft pick for Anthony Randolph, who, as hvino said, is unpopular with Dubs. Or, we could still get the Top 8 draft pick, but then I'm not sure of the GS management would do that.
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i like it
Being a Nugget fan in exile in the bay area, I’ve seen the W’s play a few games. Morrow is the best shooter you’ve never heard of. Turiaf is an athletic banger best suited coming off the bench. Although I like JR, this trade gives us a big who can play pick & roll, hit the mid range j and rebound. I’d think Denver fans would love Morrow’s game when they see him every night. I think GS would only send us a lottery protected pick and word on the blogs is they’d rather deal Beidrins, but this is a hell of a deal if it ever happened. Keep in mind, in a city where fans bought a billboard by the Colisseum asking Al Davis to hire a real GM, it’s the Warriors who are considered to have the most dysfunctional franchise in the bay.
by adub on Dec 15, 2009 5:30 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I like it, but
I still think JR holds more value than that, and as much as I would love to have Turiaf, I still think we need a bigger guy than him.
Turiaf played both 4 and 5 for the Fakers
He can play well for good teams. I might add some more value to the trade, but we’d get the Warriors’ Top 8 1st round pick
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
Problem is
We are trading 2 healthy bodies for 2 injured guys and one of them is out for the year. Turiaf skillset is similar to Birdman and his averages are slightly worse. I don’t know if he is the presence at Center we are looking for and his health is an issue.
Really like Anthony Morrow though. Actually if Turiaf and Buike were healthy then this deal would have to be seriously considered and probably done. I think Denver will want to get more if they add salary and they have invested so much in JR you’d think we could get a little more out of all that time. I like Morrow a lot though
Lol right after I posted mine I saw yours
We could add Randolph, have Hess turn him into a beast, then make him KMart’s successor at the 4
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
NO.. NO..NO
Where was “HELL NO” in the survey options? This would be a stupid move, with Denver giving away its only explosive scorer besides Anthoney for practically nothing. Now, if you want to through Biedrens into this scenario, I might think about this…..
Biedrins
If anyone can come up with a good plan to get him I’d be down too
by runningdonut on Dec 15, 2009 7:00 PM MST up reply actions
In your honor
I added another option.
If Warkentein pulls off Randolph, Turiaf, and Morrow (and a first rounder) for J.R. Smith and Johan Petro, he’s my pick for GM of the Decade, and I don’t care if such award doesn’t exist yet.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
I’m not going to be as rude as some, but I just think we can get more for JR than Turiaf. I also think, like someone mentioned, that him and Birdman are rather redundant players. I like your thinking though. Keep up the good work.
Anthony Morrow shoots 40% from the 3 for a bad team and does nearly 50% FG and 80% FT
Defensively, he’s mediocre, but not worse than J.R. Smith. I’m just sayin’, this is a trade that GS would do in a heartbeat, and while I want good value, I’m looking for fair, balanced trades
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
Morrow is a solid scorer, but I think JR brings a bit more in terms of playmaking and as someone who can put the ball on the floor and get to the rim. I’m not sure if Morrow can do that – I’m not saying I’m skeptical, I seriously do not know if he can.
I understand that you’re trying to come up with realistic trades. I’m not saying we should trade JR for Kobe Bryant because I realize that’s unrealistic. But I do think JR’s talent is worth more than Turiaf and Morrow. Though beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One man’s garbage is another man’s treasure.
At the same time, I’m having a hard time coming up with a realistic possibility myself which is why I commend you for doing the work you’re doing.
I don't want Turiaf
I still haven’t forgiven him for being a Laker….
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 15, 2009 8:02 PM MST reply actions
JR Smith - future star???
Is anyone actually still naive enough to believe that JR Smith will turn into anything more than what he is now?? Have you not been watching him play this season? He’s strictly an inconsistent jump-shooter who can go off random nights, but when, and I stress when, he attacks the rim, his shot is either blocked or he has to adjust so much that his layup bricks off the rim. The guy was not blessed with a finishing touch around the rim, and as much as I am tantalized by his “potential” and talent, I’ve long ago given up on the idea that he will become a star player.
by VancouverNugget on Dec 15, 2009 11:25 PM MST reply actions
If Randolph is in the trade
Then its absolutely a no brainer yes take the the deal. Randolph will be a beast some day. Without him at first I was skeptical but the more I think about it the more I like it. I’m really starting to believe JR has peaked and Morrow offers us a legitimate scoring threat off the bench, the dude is lethal from three. Turiaf gives us our desperately needed fourth big. If we were able to get a draft pick too? I’d do it for sure. Kudos my friend, this is a savvy move 100%
JR Smith....meehhh
im with the two posters above that JR is what JR is at this point. make no mistake, i think he is good player (certainly not great) and when the dude is on, hes REALLY fucking on. but i dont see any major improvements in his game coming any time soon. if we were able to get randolph, morrow, turiaf, and possibly a first round pick for JR and bench pieces, we would be fools not do it.
here an article from dime posted yesterday about anthony randolph. some hype him as the next KG…
http://dimemag.com/2009/12/trading-away-the-future/
Hess could turn Randolph into Dwight Howard if RAndolph is up for it
That would rock…
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
On a second thought
Warriors not giving away Randolph unless a bad contract is included, according to Don Nelson The Idiot. Seems like he may have thought of something smart for the first time since joining the Warriors
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
How about this?
I like the idea of acquiring Morrow if JR was moved, however, I’d rather see the Nuggets move someone like Nene before they moved JR. Yes, I understand big bodies are hard to come by in the NBA, but what if the Nuggets had this offered to them?
Denver Gets:
Andris Biedrins
Anthony Randolph
Golden State Gets:
Nene
I tried this on the trade machine and it worked. The Warriors have already stated they’d only consider the offer if the team inquiring offered to take on one of their bad contracts. Biedrins fits that bad contract mold.
Just a different approach to your idea, Lack.
whoa now thats something
I like, no LOVE I Nene’s game,
but if the Warriors are willing to make this deal I think we’d have to think hard about how we play as a team if this deal was done. We might play better this year we might not. Randolph looks like he could develop into quiet a player. We might play better next year….
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 18, 2009 3:28 AM MST up reply actions
This is a future move thing
When Randolph is on, he’s crazy good. When he’s not on, he puts up a brickfest. With the Nuggets player development staff and Steve Hess, Randolph would be more consistently good, but it’d take time. Biedrins > Nene unless you are desperate for an extra rebound or two a game.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"If the NBA were on channel 5 and a bunch of frogs making love were on channel 4, I'd watch the frogs, even if they were coming in fuzzy." - Bobby Knight
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
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