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Potential trades and Kleiza's rights


Linas Kleiza has been absent from the Denver Nuggets and Lodo's bar scene for  3 months now, opting instead for getting trashed in Greece and moneybags full of Euros (Eurobags?).

Denver whittled away lots of trade assets in offseason moves, including most of their upcoming draft picks and even the rights to unsigned draft pick Axel Hervelle. Most of the tradable contracts are minimum deals and not of much value, so fans have been speculating on potential trades involving Kleiza's rights. From my understanding of the CBA and consulting with some more knowledgable heads on the subject, it seems clear to me now that Kleiza's rights or LK himself can't be traded for the forseeable future (while he is under contract), and even after that moving him remains kind of a headache.

Mark at ShamSports knows whats up, he clarified it for me and on a previous message board post a while ago. Here's what he said

No they can't.

Kleiza can be signed and traded (if he's not under contract somewhere, that is), and the Nuggets can match any offer sheet he gets as he's still a RFA. But they can't trade his Bird rights. You can't trade anyone's Bird rights. Never could.

Read the whole post here if you don't believe me

The same problem exists with Josh Childress' signing in Greece 2 years ago.  Both he and Kleiza are still restricted free agents, with their rights held by Atlanta and Denver respectively. That means they can only be signed and traded or signed to offer sheets once they are no longer under contract in Europe. The Nuggets could match any offer for Kleiza, they could sign and trade him to someone if he were not currently under contract. Kleiza has an opt-out after 1 year in Greece, so if he wants to return to the NBA Denver could re-sign him then or sign and trade him to another team. Or, he could sign an offer sheet with another team, and Denver would have seven days to match. None of this can happen until he terminates his contract in Europe though.

Josh Childress tried to return to the NBA after 1 year in Greece. Both Cleveland and Milwaukee wanted to sign Childress, but it didn't work out for several important reasons which are relevant to LK's situation now. Milwaukee and Cleveland would have had to use their MLE to offer Childress a contract, which Atlanta could match and would have 7 days to decide whether or not to do that. During that waiting period Milwaukee/Cleveland could miss out on other free agents they wanted to sign while Atlanta made their decision. Dallas signed Gortat to a full MLE deal which Orlando matched just to screw with Dallas, after stealing away Brandon Bass while Dallas waited for them to not match the Gortat offer.

The other, more attractive option would be trying to work out a sign and trade deal with Atlanta. Milwaukee and Cleveland would rather do that because Childress' would be signed with his bird rights by Atlanta, then traded to them so they would still have their MLE to spend on other free agents. Obviously, Atlanta wasn't amenable to this - they have no reason to help out Cleveland or Milwaukee by giving them Childress. At the least they would demand something in return like a draft picks, cap relief, or a cheap role player or two.

Childress is making decent dough in Greece, so even though he probably would have taken a cheaper deal to return to the NBA, the politics and rules of the CBA prevented it from happening. It was a hassle, so both teams said screw it - Milwaukee signed Hakim Warrick and Cleveland signed Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon. Atlanta still holds Childress' bird rights, they will wait for a good deal to sign and trade him. Or, they will wait for him to sign a cheapo contract to return to the NBA, which they could match within 7 days if they wanted to.

Until then, everything is in limbo. Childress opted into the second year of his Greek deal and now he isn't a tradeable asset until next year, just like Kleiza. Bottom line, the Nugs can;t get anything for Kleiza right now. They can deal with trading him whenever he is done with Europe and chooses to return to the NBA. My guess is Kleiza will stay in Europe for at least 2 years, if he comes back to the NBA the most likely scenario would be back to the Nuggets on a pretty cheap contract. Anything could happen though, but LK cannot be traded until he's out of his Euro contract for now. Complicated, I know. Kind of a bummer too

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I was one of the misinformed about trading Kleiza. Thanks for the correction. Also, what time do you get up? This shows it was posted at 3:49 a.m.

by KarlSucks on Nov 19, 2009 8:13 AM MST reply actions  

Some nights I work at a bar until 3am so I didn’t get to post this till after that

by runningdonut on Nov 19, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Good info

never really understood all this stuff. good to see you don’t bash on the nuggets all the time at least

by skithebert on Nov 19, 2009 8:27 AM MST reply actions  

I agree

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't "bash" the Nuggets

I didn’t call out GK because I just naturally hate him. Even when we were winning I thought he was doing a shit job coaching, period. And I’m upset that we had to lose a few games before he broke his promise to AC. It’s well documented that AC didn’t want to rejoin the Nuggets unless his playing time would not be reduced, which GK unfairly promised him. It was all reported by the Denver Post and Tomasson, go look it up. Mind games, favoritism, misleading players under false pretenses – we can argue whether or not it caused the team to lose, the fact is it never should have been a problem in the first place.

Besides that, GK rarely takes responsibility for losses and instead chooses to make excuses. Am I lying about that? Because if I am please go ahead and prove me wrong. We already know he’s aiming for a .500 record on long road trips.

I don’t bash anything for the hell of it, I just call bullshit when I see it. That’s all

by runningdonut on Nov 20, 2009 2:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Never knew that

but it makes sense I guess. Thanks for the info.

by Garrett Olsen on Nov 19, 2009 11:37 AM MST reply actions  

If you guys ever have questions about Salary Cap stuff and what not Larry Coon's NBA Salary Cap FAQ is a great source.

Here is the link.

There is a great table of contents that can steer you in almost any direction. I didn’t see anything on what Runningdonut has here, but great stuff and a good find since lots of fans were proposing tossing L.K.’s rights around.

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by Nate Timmons on Nov 19, 2009 1:01 PM MST reply actions  

Kleiza is having a pretty good season in the Euroleague so far

Averaging 18 and 8 through 4 games, shooting 35% from 3. Childress also puts up numbers for Olympiacos too. Check out LK’s stats

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/eurobasketball/euroleague/players/10/linas_kleiza/stats/223

by runningdonut on Nov 19, 2009 3:50 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks for putting this up as well ...

Looks like he is scoring a little bit, but 1 assist? Same old L.K.

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by Nate Timmons on Nov 19, 2009 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

Kleiza had his flaws, there were times when watching him last year was just maddening. But I wouldn’t have minded having LK this year, and I wouldn’t mind seeing him back in Denver if he comes back to the NBA. The guy did wake up during the Lakers series, he has all the tools to be good as hell I think it’s a question of attitude and having the intensity to go all out when he’s on the floor. He has all the skills of a young Wally Z and could still have an NBA future.

I would have rather retained him the other flawed player we signed for 1 year under false pretenses.

by runningdonut on Nov 19, 2009 4:25 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Two yrs in a row he played well against LA

 . . .I miss LK despite his faults. He ran the floor well and due to his shooting he also opened up the post for big guys. Plus as a bull his added beef on the both offensive and defensive boards meant the Nugs were better on the boards (his leaving might be part of the reason we have gotten killed this season on the glass). Sure he missed some open shots and turned the ball over, but the positives outweighed the negatifves despite his down shooting year.

by Frontrange on Nov 19, 2009 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

In fairness . .

It is not like we asked him to create shots for other people. Most of the time he was asked to shoot an open jumper, drive to the basket and get fouled, or beat everyone down the court.

Not sure he could create for other players, but that isn’t (wasn’t) his job either.

by Frontrange on Nov 19, 2009 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Very true.

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by Nate Timmons on Nov 20, 2009 8:08 AM MST up reply actions  

well if that is the case

let’s trade kleiza’s rights, the tpe and some pixie dust to orlando for dwight howard.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Nov 19, 2009 6:52 PM MST reply actions  

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