The Nuggets are a good team, but....
by Brandon Kite on Nov 17, 2009 11:57 PM MST
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Great, not good teams win Championships. Early season wins are nice, but it all comes down to getting wins in April, May and June. Melo has been amazing so far! It's incredible how good he is when he is in shape!! Lawson and AAA have been stellar additions and have finally forced GK to do what we have all been screaming for, for a couple years now, and that is to put AC on the pine. He's a good locker room vet, but I can't stand his game.
BUT.......
A few things need to happen for the Nuggets to become great. Nene has to develop a mean streak and become an absolute enforcer inside. He is too big and too talented, to not be dominating. He also needs to stop with the weak finger rolls and just dunk the damn ball! Next, JR has to keep playing at a high level on both ends of the court and be the best 6th man in the game. Finally, the FO must add another impact big man to the front line. (Can you imagine our draft if they would have snagged DeJuan Blair in the 2nd rd instead of trading our pick.?? We might not be having this conversation if that were the case)
The Lakers are going to be an absolute monster when they get Gasol back. Bynum just keeps getting better and better each day, and by playoff time, Ron Ron will be nice and cozy with his role so they are going to be even tougher than last year. And lets face it, if the Nuggets are going to make it to the Finals, they will have to beat the Lakers. As the roster is currently assembled, we just aren't big enough to compete with them in a 7 game series. Sure we can beat anybody on any given night, but in a 7 game playoff battle its a whole different ballgame. The FO has to understand that with an aging Chauncey, the Nuggets window to win a title is about 2-3 years. We are so close to being great! I really hope that they understand this and do any and everything possible to bring in a QUALITY big man. And it's not just the Lakers that we have to worry about. There is Portland, and San Antonio in the West and potentially Boston or Orlando in the Finals.
So here are the potential players that could come in here and help give us a parade in June .
My pipe dream big man, which I know will never happen, because A, we aren't the Lakers and B, the Logo wasn't a Nugget, is the Grizzlies, Marc Gasol (3.3 in 09-10 & 3.5 Mil 10-11) He would be perfect, even the Grizzlies aren't that foolish to give up on such a quality young big man, that is making peanuts by NBA standards. Another decent footer would be the Wizards, Brendan Haywood (6 mil) but I doubt that the Clippers East, I mean the Bullets, would let him go. But who knows, because they are the Clippers East?? Oh and don't even get me started with the 9 million dollar trade exception that we let expire without using on November 3rd. Sure we would have been well over the luxury tax, but this is NBA/monopoly money and Silent Stan and his old lady are both Billionaires so cry me a luxury tax river. WE WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP! That could have been the final piece.
So back to reality.....
The potential list: Most of the players with the exception of Gortat, come from non contenders, or lottery bound teams that are much easier to deal with around the trade deadline.
Marcin Gortat Magic (5.8, 6.3, 6.7, 7.2 & 7.7) Large contract but fell in love with his game in the playoffs last yr
Marreese Speights 76ers (1.6 & 1.7 Mil) Huge upside, but I doubt Philly would give him up
Andray Blatche Wizards (3, 3.2 & 3.5 Mil) Same story as Speights
Jeff Foster Pacers (6 & 6.6 mil) Rebounding machine!
Hilton Armstrong Hornets (2.8 mil) Decent player at that price tag
Chris Wilcox Pistons(3 mil) Dunks in traffic the way I wish Nene would.
Ronny Turiaf Warriors (4.2 & 4.2) RT would be a nice addition
Fabricio Oberto Wizards (1.9 Mil) 34 years old but might still have a little bit left in the tank
Aaron Gray Bulls (1 mil) Young and big. Probably more of a long term project than a quick fix
Think about the big picture folks. It's going to take one last piece to put us over the hump. Lets cross our fingers, that the 3-headed front office creature is paying attention. Capish, Rex, Brett and Mark?!?!?!?
Go NUGS!!! This could get exciting!
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Mhm.
Exactly a point I was going to make, but here works.
I think I need to say this straight up, we’re not going to get a big man with a contract more than 3 mil. Maybe if we’re lucky, we can get a guy closer to 4 mil, but I doubt it.
Here’s my reasoning (as concise as possible, I’m tired). We’re so close to being ‘elite’ that we’re not going to give up any of our main pieces, and they happen to be all of the guys who actually have a CONTRACT. Meaning generally over 2mil. The rest of our guys, who are the trade pieces, all have contracts in the 1 mil range, with the exception of Balkman, who has a 2m contract IIRC.
Now, we have a TPE worth 3mil or so, so that’s in play. But otherwise, either we’re getting another 1 mil center (who really can’t be any better than the guys we have) or packaging 2 or 3 of our bench guys to get 1 guys who’s a role player, but with the guys we have to offer, he might not even be who we need. Plus, we have to consider the chemistry implications. We all know the Nuggets have great chemistry with each other, and trading a player who’s as bad as AC (who’s possibly the worst player on the team, or maybe Petro) would still leave all the other guys pretty anxious, if not upset.
Another point, we’re running with a 13-man roster. If we trade 2-or-3-for-1, we’ll need to sign more players off the D-League, and incorporate them (maybe Szczerbiak xP) as well.
Sorry if that’s a bit scattered/rambling, it’s late. :/
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 12:15 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you and that is why it is so frustrating that they weren’t more aggressive with the 9 mil TPE to grab a big time player!!!
Now it’s going to need to be a bottom feeder on our roster plus the 3 mil TPE to get someone in the 5 or 6 mil range which if the deal is right could still yield a decent player.
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 12:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
Just for the record, you can’t combine a TPE with a player to match a bigger contract. :/
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 12:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard this before. Can’t we take our 3.6 mil TPE and throw in in somebody like Balkman at 2.1 mil and just need to be within 125% plus $100,000 of the player that’s traded for???
Anybody know more about this?
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 1:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
do the math
petro @ 880k, balkman @ 2.2 million and kleiza @ 2.7 million = 5.7 million
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 18, 2009 1:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
@ nohoops4u
And what is the point of your math??? We are talking about the 3.7 million TPE and whether you can add a player to match a bigger contract……..
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 1:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the point is
nobody is going to give you something worth while for nothing AND the tpe cannot be used in combination with a player or draft pick. denver has 3 players that are of little or no use to them but combined can work for a trade now.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 18, 2009 1:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Understood. Yeah we all know we can combine players to make a trade work, but we were trying to figure out the TPE rules which I have now been schooled in. :-)
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 1:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The money isn’t really the problem (I actually forgot we had kleiza’s rights, although I thought his rights didn’t actually have a figure because he went overseas from being a free agent), but all the big men at around 4-5 mil are either complete crap, or too good to get for guys like Balkman (our best asset imo) and the RIGHTS to a player. In any case, I don’t think there are any teams who are truly blowing it up this early that they would make a trade now rather than wait for the deadline or this offseason.
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 1:22 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it would definitely have to come closer to the deadline when teams start to dump salary.
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 1:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
kleiza
was tendered an offer of 2.7 million as a free agent and that is where that figure comes from. next year it will be worth around 3.5 million. the fact remains denver has 5.7 million worth in 3 players they do not use. by the way gortat from orlando is paid 5.7 million.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 18, 2009 1:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to have Gortat! I know Orlando is loaded with front Court players, but short of Marcin demanding a trade I don’t know if they would let him go. I know he was disappointed when Orlando matched Dallas’ offer in the summer because he wants to be a starter or at least have a bigger role. Well we have a bigger role for you MG. Have your agent start a media shit storm and lets get you in Nuggets blue.
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
gortat
the only reason orlando matched is they did not want to lose him for nothing. they could not trade him until after the season started. between those 2 times lewis was suspended 10 games. now that rashard is back does orlando want to pay 11 million for 1 guy that will play less then 10 minutes a game? if denver does not get gortat some other team will. that is a huge concern for me if that team is in the western conference. the big picture right now is there are all kinds of scenarios that denver can improve with. gortat is just one of many.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 18, 2009 2:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm 100% certain
For once. I’ve come over this topic numerous times, and I’m positive. It just doesn’t work that way, the current CBA doesn’t allow packaging of players (or even picks I believe, although I might be wrong on that one) with TPE’s. One recent example is that Stephen Jackson was, contrary to popular belief, never on our radar because his salary was a couple hundred grand more that our 9.7 mil or whatever TPE.
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 1:19 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
I don’t think Denver makes a move until the deadline is here and teams out of contention are looking to dump salary in which Denver brings in a big with a contract under 3.6 mil (our largest TPE left).
There aren’t any players out there that are under that money that would actually make GK’s rotation with exception of Gasol and Blatche in which neither will be sent away for free unless they formally request a trade and Denver includes a 1st round pick with the TPE. You can send a pick to a team in a separate mini deal after using the TPE. Denver would just have to take a D-Leager from the oposing team for the 1st rounder and later cut the player.
Basically it’s a game of sit and wait with the front office. Once a player is on the block that is in the price range and would bring reasonable minutes to the Nuggets rotation is when the 3 headed monster will pounce. The chances of that happening are slim. It sucks, but honestly the only way I see Denver landing a sig. big is in either a salary dump or a multiple team trade in which are rare. All we can do is sit and wait.
by Garrett Olsen on Nov 18, 2009 12:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Garrett!
You gotta hang around here more! I see you in the ESPN’s Power Rankings comments section all the time, but rarely here. :P
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 12:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I enjoy this website and I like to chime in every once in a while. I cover the Nuggets at INDeverTimes.com and actually get some of my stuff from Andrew and i write articles based offof a lot of the fans of Denverstiffs opinions. But for a reason I don’t think Mr. Feinstein is very fond of me so I’m not o here a lot. I like everyone’s opinions on this site though. There’s some good stuff.
by Garrett Olsen on Nov 18, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to check out
Your stuff on the Nugs, INDenverTimes Garrett.
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 1:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good but
I’m not promoting myself and I hope i don’t come off that way because i respect this website and Andrew and Nate.
by Garrett Olsen on Nov 18, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think Hilton Armstrong could make GK’s rotation? Of the players on that list, it seems that he’s the least expensive that could be effective for a few minutes. You gotta think he’s better than Petro.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 18, 2009 10:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I think Armstrong is better than Petro without a doubt, but Karl doesn’t just throw someone in for 5 minutes a game unless it’s garbage minutes. I don’t know what NO woud demad for him, but if they would send him for a TPE, I’m all for it. I think he is one of the best on the list as well as Foster and Turiaf. I really don’t know what’sgoing to happen. I guess we’ll just wait and see.
by Garrett Olsen on Nov 18, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Karl may not put people in for 5 minutes, but he should be dealing with matchups. In certain cases I should think that he would want to play a bigger guy,
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 18, 2009 12:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I just find it hard for Denver to get a deal done for Armstrong, Foster or Brandon Haywood the three bigs I like the most along with Maxiell and Turiaf.
by Garrett Olsen on Nov 18, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
People don’t write much about what they’re willing to give up in return, but when they do, they mention players that nobody else wants anyway. One guy that another team might want that the Nuggets can live without is Joey Graham, but that is just a start. I expect that it’s a lot harder to get a deal done than most people think.
So yeah, the fly in the ointment is getting a deal done.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 19, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
what denver has works 90% of the time
it is the other 5 to 10% that killed them in the western conference finals against the lakers. at the beginning of the season nobody knew if the need would be for a swingman off the bench or a big man. there were people that wanted wally, jacko or flip murray. turns out afflalo and lawson were the right players all along. with jr’s suspension the situation had to play itself out first. murray and wally wanted 1.8 million. with the tax it would have been 3.6 million for a player they did not really need. denver has to decide if they want to use kleiza’s rights in a trade. the upside for any team is they get something of value that will not count against the salary cap right now. kroenke should get a lot of credit for not spending money all because he had the 9 mil tpe. with the exception of blair the additions san antonio made do not look all that great for the money they spent. ron ron in la was not that great of a move either. tim thomas and shawn marion are hurt along with dampier and howard for dallas. portland paying 21 million over 3 years for miller is not that big of difference. money ain’t everything.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 18, 2009 12:56 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I gotta disagree with some of this
First off, @Brandon Kite wasn’t it said that the money from that 2nd round pick went toward Bird’s extension? Otherwise we may not have signed him?
Anyway, even with Arron and Ty, I don’t think that “5-10%” went away. I’m still not completely convinced we can win all of the 7-game series’ we’ll need to against any of the ‘elite’ in the playoffs. A much as I hate to admit it, the Lakers are generally considered the favorites because when they win, they’re
dominant and in control throughout. When we can completely and unquestionably dominate one of the elite teams for 48 minutes, mentally and physically, is when I’ll start expecting a title.
And I still think it’s too early to judge those other moves. The Spurs and Mavs and Lakers aren’t completely healthy like you said, and the Blazers don’t have bball issues, the have chemistry issues. All four of these issues will most likely be corrected (although uncertain with the injuries as always) come playoff time when it counts. It’s only 10 games into the season.
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 1:46 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Something isn’t right with Bird this year. Is it the security of the 5 year contract or his tendonitis? He looks slow and doesn’t jump like he used to. 7(ish) footers in their 30’s experience quite a rapid decline in their skills. It’s similar to the 30 yr old running back. I hope this isn’t what is happening to Bird, but if it is, it’s going to be tough watching him 4 years from now.
And I think if they could do it all over again, they would have used the pick to grab Blair.
The 5-10% might have went away just by getting AC out of the rotation. ;-)
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 2:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Robert Parrish, Wilt Chamberlain, Dikembe Mutombo…
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 18, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Artis Gilmore…
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 18, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is....
That those guys Kareem, Chief, Stilt, and Deke didn’t rely 100% on their athletism! They were skilled basketball players, unlike Chris.
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 11:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys may not have relied on their athleticism, but they still had their athleticism. Their skills didn’t rapidly decline in their thirties as you claimed happenend to 7 footers. Chamberlain realized quickly that he retired too soon and the Nets toyed with the idea of bringing him in when he was 50. They didn’t do it, but those close to Chamberlain thought he could still play.
The idea that 7 footers decline after 30 is a generalization that doesn’t work. Walton declined quickly because he had bad feet right from the start and that caused him to have knee problems. Sam Bowie had bad bones to start with. Dave Robisch would have been 7’ 2" if he’d had a normal spine.Some bodies just aren’t made to grow to 7 feet even though they do and those guys have problems. The ones that don’t have a problem to start with (like the ones originally mentioned) tend to be fine. As far as Bird is concerned, he’s been playing hurt. He looked better last night and he should get back to his young self as soon as he’s healed up.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 18, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Regardless
of whether or not 7 footers decline when they hit 30, i don’t think it applies here. It’s not like he’s been declining since he turned 30, I think he actually got BETTER from the beginning of last season to the end. If we’re talking decline, i would’ve been consistent from the time he turned 30, not a extreme spike from being good to being terrible (in comparison) over the course of an offseason.
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Any
generalization is going to have its exceptions, but you may have swayed me from my assumption that footers fall off in their 30’s. You mentioned some of the best centers of all time. We are talking about a novelty crowd favorite player, not an All Star.
Okay how about this analogy. Guys that don’t rely strictly on their athletism and have fundamental basketball skills can age a lot more gracefully in their latter NBA years. A guy like Bird is going to see a fast decline as he gets older because his game is so centered on his leaping ability. His 5 year deal is going to be brutal in years 4 and 5! All I’m saying is that he doesn’t look very good so far this season and it only adds to the fact that the Nugs need another big guy!
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
As Hollinger constantly pt out:
Height and shooting ability tend to age gracefully . . i.e. the difference between AI and Billups on that front,
But player like Andersen is much harder to project ‘cause the Birdman was still learning to play the game at 30. The Nugs has also shown themselves to be pretty proactive in teaching big men to shoot. Najera being the best example, but K-Mart seems to really have improved as well, and the stride Nene has made seem substantial as well. If Andersen, who doesn’t seem to lack desire can add a 15 foot shot to his arsenal, that could really elogate his value.
by Frontrange on Nov 18, 2009 4:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I’m glad I had some influence on your thinking. I kind of touched on it with Walton, but a lot of it for any player is the injuries they suffer in the course of a career. The guys I mentioned first were also remarkably free of serious injuries Danny Manning would have been a serious force in the NBA if it weren’t for injuries.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 19, 2009 9:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's his knees/tendonitis
You can even see it in his face when he plays. He doesn’t have that smirk on his face when he plays or blocks a shot or dunks, it’s more of a grimmace. You don’t lose jumping skill like that in one summer due to age/fatigue. (Unless it’s the lockout season and your name is Shawn Kemp and you’ve recently discovered your love of fried foods with your free time) -ZING!
Only time will tell on that one. I think GK may be running him too much right now and should probably limit his minutes until he’s on the up and up. I don’t think any of us can question Bird Man’s heart, drive, or security (as you put it).
by Joelsopinion on Nov 19, 2009 8:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
food alert
kemp’s son shawn kemp jr., has commited to play at auburn. i am pretty sure that is where charles barkley went to school. can somebody pass the gravy please?
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 19, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
the 5 to 10% is still there
it was a matter of where the need is. imo the final piece of the puzzle is a back up center that can rebound and defend. the only way denver was going to find out is to use what they had to start the season. the second part is money. all the other teams overpaid for what they have. denver is in a great position with money now and in the future.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 18, 2009 2:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A back up Center that
can rebound and Defend………Sure sounds like Gortat aka “The Polish Hammer” to me. Make it happen Warkentien!
Brandon Kite
by Brandon Kite on Nov 18, 2009 2:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Some ideas
A couple possibilities not mentioned i think.
1. Jason Maxiell (5 mil)
2. Ronny Turiaf (4.7 mil or so)
3. Amir Johnson (not sure atm)
‘Mad Max’ apparently hasn’t played up to his past self once he got that contract extension, and apparently he’s slipping out of even role-player status. Not sure what it’d take to get him, but an intriguing idea is that Det could use AC’s veteran presence. He has a 4-year contract though, which is still bearable considering he’s still young and a change of scenery (and Chauncey) might do him good.
Turiaf is more valued to his team, but who knows what the Warriors are doing nowadays?
Like I posted, the Raptors might be open to blowing things up and moving some bigs if things keep going this way, and Amir is probably the most realistically possible guy we could get. Again, not sure what we’d need to give in return, but most of our assets are expiring contracts as well, if small ones.
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 1:35 AM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Elaborating on the Amir/Raptors
[Comment From Chad: ]
Zarar, coming from a Nuggets fan, any possibility that some of your bigs can be had?
Zarar Siddiqi (Raptors Republic/TrueHoop Network):
Everybody’s on the table for the Raptors. Colangelo will insist that Bargnani is not, but it’s year #4 for him now and if he was a clearly special player he would’ve shown it by now. I’d say the only untouchable is…………can’t really think of anyone other than Bosh, but if the team struggles mightily, then you know he’s going to be part of a discussion. Too early though, this is a very tough stretch for the Raptors and things will get easier for them schedule-wise starting next week.
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 1:52 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
And Speights is out 6-8 weeks or whatever.
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 1:49 AM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Most of the guys being thrown around in here are not upgrades to what we already have… most of them aren’t capable of defending in the interior any better than the guys we already have, and are actually downgrades on the offensive end.
The only two that would be worth making a move for, in my opinion, are Gortat and Marc Gasol. If we could find a way to pry either one of these guys away without giving up too much, we would be set. I would even like a deal where , and I think Garrett mentioned this, we make a trade to match salaries, giving up Balkman, AC, and Petro or whatever it takes… and then trade a draft pick in a second trade, I would really not mind losing our first-rounder next year for either one of these 2. I think Gasol would never happen, he is valued by the franchise and is completely under-rated in the league. I think Gortat is a small possibility, but probably not seeing as Orlando is a contender at the moment… what incentive do they have to drop a solid big man?
Other than those two, I just don’t see any of those names being any more capable, even if they are taller, of providing what this team needs, which is a big who is capable of defending a good scoring big man and rebounding the ball.
by aLuffabo on Nov 18, 2009 1:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Haywood
From Washington, 11 pg, 10 rpg, 7’0, 265lb, 6 mi contract and I hear Washingon is shopping him since Jamison is back from injury. Washington has a boat load of bigs revolving around Jamion and Blatche. They want to keep those two in the mix long term and to do so might have to drop Haywood. It would be tough to match that 6 mil salary though.
by Garrett Olsen on Nov 18, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The only way I see a deal happening for a Haywood or Foster is.
If Denver acquires a player with 3.5 mil salary using a TPE and then trading that player along with Balkman and Allen. That would be roughly 6.2 mil to spend wich would be enough to land either player.
Possibly a sign-and-trade with Clev for Wally Z. Butler has faced injury problems in WAS the past several years and if they want to make a run in the playoffs insurance is needed behind Young and Butler. Wall Z could be the guy.
by Garrett Olsen on Nov 18, 2009 3:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
@aLuffabo
Are you kidding? Our 5 tradeable assets (Balkman, Malik, AC, Petro, Graham) are all, to be honest, borderline-D-league players. If we can at least get a role player who’ll make GK’s rotation, that’ll be an improvement. When you think about it, if we trade away 3-borderline-D-leaguers for 1-role-player, we’ll be forced to sign 2 more FA’s/D-Leaguers. Which would, on paper, leave us better than we are now. It’s just a matter of who.
I’d prefer that we use the TPE, but it’s been posted often enough before, there’s no one worth the cash at that price.
by Agaliarept on Nov 18, 2009 5:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
1st round pick
denver has already given up 3 future first round picks. 1 each in the lawson, hunter and atkins deals. kleiza’s rights have the most value because he will not count against the salary cap this season.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 18, 2009 2:58 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Almost
Close, but not quite. The first rounder for Lawson was from Charlotte – the pick Charlotte gave to Denver for Denvers 2008 First rounder. They basically trade number 20 in 2008 for number 18 in 2009.
The atkins deal was for Denver’s 2009 first rounder. They do owe the 2010 first rounder to Memphis on the hunter deal.
by KarlSucks on Nov 18, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Still
Teams value you early second round picks more than late first round picks in which i think Denver has ahand full of 2nd rounders from Memphis, OKC and I might be missing a team. Why do teams value earl 2nd round picks over late first rounders? Saves about 700,000 dollars towards the cap.
by Garrett Olsen on Nov 18, 2009 3:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
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