The Nuggets offseason: Dahntay Jones...
Before jumping into whether or not the Nuggets should re-sign Dahntay Jones, two news stories just broke tonight that will impact Dahntay's future.First, the NBA's salary cap for 2009-10 will be lowered to $57.7 million and, of more importance to Nuggets fans, the luxury tax threshold - the number which teams are forced to pay a dollar-for-dollar tax if they exceed it - has been lowered to $69.92 million. For those keeping score at home, this is about $1.5 million less than Denver Stiffs and alleged NBA "experts" had forecast since the season ended.
And second, Chris "Birdman" Andersen has re-signed with the Nuggets for up to $26 million, with Andersen getting $3.7 million next season in an incentive-laden contract, according to the Denver Post's Benjamin Hochman. I guess the BringBackBirdman.com petition worked after all!
Lost in the shuffle between the re-signing of Chris Andersen, possibly signing another free agent and the acquisition of Ty Lawson has been the re-signing of Dahntay Jones, one of the best surprises of the 2008-09 Nuggets season. Even I was dubious about Dahntay early in the season when, just a handful of games into Dahtnay's first Nuggets season, I added him to the list of Nuggets "shooting" guards who can't make a shot. A full season and postseason later, Dahntay still couldn't hit an outside jump shot with consistency but he proved to be a valuable member of the team. And when you factor in his $1.3 million contract, Jones was an absolute steal.
The problem going forward, of course, is that Dahntay can't be had for $1.3 million again. What price will he command? Will the Nuggets be willing to pay it? Should they? Let's discuss...
The Good: To the credit of George Karl and his coaching staff, the Nuggets were able to convert Dahntay from a dunk-only slasher with no jump shot to a physically tough, solid defensive two-guard who still threw down jaw-dropping dunks. The reason I mention Karl and his staff here is because I know for certain they spent a lot of time with Dahntay so he wouldn't end up in the obscure dustbin of Nuggets shooting guard history with names like Yakhouba Diawara, Von Wafer, Bobby Jones, DerMarr Johnson, Julius Hodge and countless others.Simply put, Dahntay was the closest things the Nuggets have ever had to a Bruce Bowen-type defender and he played the part well. In only 18 minutes of playing time a night, the Nuggets could count on Dahntay to make his six allotted fouls mean something, while pestering his opposing shooting guards into tough shots and finishing fast breaks with authority. And even though myself and many other fans demanded that J.R. Smith start in place of Dahntay early in the season, the rotation of having Dahntay play about eight to ten first quarter minutes and then have J.R. enter as a spark off the bench seemed to work more than it didn't. (It should be noted that as reported on this blog by Chris Tomasson, J.R. will likely be replacing Dahntay as the starting two-guard next season whether Dahntay returns or not.)
And beyond his performance on the floor, Dahntay's enthusiasm from the sidelines was unparalleled on the Nuggets this year. Having been all but kicked out of the league for poor play in his first five seasons, you could tell that Dahntay appreciated every second he had with the Nuggets in 2008-09. Frankly, I think Dahntay was a better cheerleader for the Nuggets than their actual cheerleaders.
The Bad: Entering your sixth NBA season, you don't find yourself scrambling to make a roster during the NBA Summer League without a good reason. In Dahntay's case, his inability to make an open jump shot and a suspect defensive effort got him cast off by the lowly Sacramento Kings in 2008, making him available for the Nuggets to poach him for next-to-nothing (by NBA standards) last summer. But that should be old news at this point.The current knock on Dahntay remains that wretched jump shot, which to be fair improved from the corner (even from three) as the season went on but needs a great deal more work. Another negative levied at Dahntay would be his sometimes careless defensive play. He's prone to picking up easy fouls that don't deter the opposition from scoring while getting the Nuggets into early foul trouble. And we're well aware of his propensity to play dirty, as well. Look, I hate Kobe Bryant as much as the next non-Lakers fan (well, probably more) but tripping and pushing Kobe in the back does the Nuggets no good. In fact, it only gets a player like Kobe more fired up (see Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals).
The final "bad" on Dahntay isn't actually Dahntay's fault, but rather Karl's. For some bizarre reason - and with very few rare exceptions - whenever Karl pulled Dahntay from a game and substituted in J.R., we'd never see Dahntay again. I joked in the playoffs that Karl treated Dahntay like a pitcher in a baseball game. Once he was out, he was out permanently. I have no problem with J.R. being subbed in for Dahntay, clearly an upgrade. But then Karl would bring in the six-foot Anthony Carter for J.R., leaving Dahntay on the bench while A.C. played side-by-side with Chauncey Billups. If the Nuggets decide to re-sign Dahntay, one can only hope that Karl realizes he's allowed to sub Dahntay back into the game when J.R. is having an off night.
Possible Replacement(s): Unfortunately for Mr. Jones, he picked the wrong summer to come off the best season of his career. And with the news breaking of the NBA's luxury tax number being lowered to $69.92 million, not only will it be virtually impossible for the Nuggets to pay Dahntay the $3 million or so he'll command in the open market, but the replacements for Dahntay - if any - has just become a very short list.With Chris Andersen making $3.7 million next season, about $2.2 million will be available to re-sign Dahntay or another player as part of the Nuggets mid-level exception money.
In the $2 million range that the Nuggets have to spend, there are a handful of players to consider. These names include Hill, Matt Barnes, Steve Novak, Von Wafer and Channing Frye. But a lot of those potential acquisitions depends greatly on what happens with Linas Kleiza and if the Nuggets are able to make a deal for a true center. For example, if Kleiza were to be signed by the Raptors and the Nuggets don't match, then signing Barnes, Wafer or Novak would come into play because the Nuggets would need three-point shooting. But if the Nuggets were to keep Kleiza and not obtain a true center, Frye would be the guy we'd need. Hill is versatile enough to contribute at two-guard or small forward, but he'll likely gravy train with the Celtics (a good thing considering they weren't old and injury prone enough already) or end his career with a thud by signing with the Knicks as is being reported now.
It should be noted that with the lowering of the cap, other attractive free agents who won't be too pricey to some are now unavailable to the Nuggets. This list includes Hakim Warrick, Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, Marquis Daniels, Rashad McCants and for those of you pining away for the Nuggets to sign Shawn Marion outright let me be very clear: FORGET IT!!
The Verdict: Assuming Dantay commands $3-plus million per season, his days as a Nugget are over. The question then becomes, what do you do with the $2 million of mid-level exception money that should be leftover from the Andersen deal? I'll give you two scenarios...If Kleiza departs but the Nuggets secure a center via trade, you have to consider Barnes or Novak to fill the three-point gap and spread the floor on offense.
If Kleiza stays but the Nuggets don't acquire a center via trade, Frye's the guy whom the Nuggets should allocate their $2 million mid-level exception to.
This isn't to say that I don't want Dahntay back in a Nuggets uniform, because I very much do. It was evident that Dahntay is a hard worker and I like how his game improved as the season went on. But between Andersen, Carter, Kleiza and Dahntay, it appears as though Dahntay is most likely to be a salary cap casualty.
On a final note, I'll sign off tonight with a quick Dahntay-related story. Courtesy of my friend's great seats, I sat right behind Dahntay's mom and his adorable son for every playoff game. During one of the games, my friend said something to Ms. Jones like "I hope Dahntay comes back next year." In a nice way, her reply was: "tell the team that."
Dahntay Jones deserves our thanks for giving us everything he had to give last season. Let's hope the Nuggets find an able replacement and he won't be missed too much.
[CORRECTION] In my recent column on potential free agent signings, I suggested that Andersen could sign a backloaded deal that would pay him $2 million in year one, $3 million in year two and so on. Chris Tomasson of the Rocky Mountain Independent has since corrected me. Since the Birdman has no "Bird Rights", the most he could be increased each year is 8%. Hence why Andersen will be making $3.7 million in year one of his new contract.
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by chantech on Jul 7, 2009 11:31 PM MDT reply actions
by JP on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Jul 8, 2009 12:01 AM MDT reply actions
I like what Dahntay did for this team. Unfortunately, it won't make sense to bring him back for raise expecting him to have a reduced role. JR needs to step up and I really believe Weems earned a shot at a bigger role last year. Thanks Tay.
by runningdonut on Jul 8, 2009 12:19 AM MDT reply actions
by runningdonut on Jul 8, 2009 12:29 AM MDT reply actions
Hastings: "Let me put it this way: some guys make you want to come back and play again."
...presumably so he could pound him into the court.
by MJKeenan on Jul 8, 2009 8:40 AM MDT reply actions
I honestly don't think Jones is coming back, sadly. I liked him a lot when he wasn't shooting the ball. It was only slightly less nerve racking to whatch than AC hurling shots up in hopes the 6th man would mysteriously dunk it.(See the Marlon Waynes and Kadeem Hardison movie) But he is very athletic and I wish we could keep, if for no other reason than to piss Kobe off a little more next season.
If LK is in talks with the Cavs, I wonder if the Nuggets will try and go after one of their bigs in exchange. I really hope they at least get more than a pack of Bubble Yum bubble gum. That's an upgrade from the Pez sans cool dispenser they got for Camby last year from the Clips.
by Joelsopinion on Jul 8, 2009 9:16 AM MDT reply actions
So guys like Jones who might have been looking for 3M/yr might have to settle for that 2.2M/yr would they not? Or is there some sort of rule for veteran contract minimums in place for someone like him? If so, the NBA, by lowering the luxury tax and possibly NOT lowering the vet minimums, is setting up a colossal failure of a FA market this year.... which I wouldn't put past them not to have thought about. That wouldn't even be fair to guys like Jones who might just wind up jobless because of a loop-hole. Am I missing something here?
Anyway, as a single dad myself, I have much respect for guys like Jones (I saw him at Cap Grille with his son, mom and seemingly brother last year and posted about it, and we apparently both like to go to Suite 200 to try and score chicks, but something tells me he has better luck), and I think IF he comes back this year, he'll be even better, with regard to his defensive presence (he now realizes, like the rest of the league that he can be a major pain for opposing teams, he just needs to harness it for the greater overall good of the Nuggets, i.e. NOT pissing off Kobe to the point that it unleashes the animal in him). I think that harnessing can be done, and I think the guy brings a great spirit to the team, even rooting from the bench when he's in foul trouble.
As much as Jones lost the ball on transition plays or looked to draw the foul maybe a little too much which compromised the ball actually going in the hole, he still fits well with that momentum and high pace style that we coach toward.... we're still a running team and he can get out on the break. I think in Jones you have a very intelligent guy with a ton of heart, but maybe just a tad light on the natural gift side. He's a guy you can root for though. He puts max effort into every minute on the court, and even off it, while rooting and keeping guys upbeat from the bench.
by Eric K on Jul 8, 2009 9:42 AM MDT reply actions
Welcome. I don't know if you were reading this blog last year or not. When they made the Camby trade, the F.O. said it was a chess move and you had to wait to see the rest of the moves. I think they are still in chess mode with the trade exemption. I think they are waiting until everyone has used up their cap space and realizes they still have a hole to fill or have an extra player they can move. At that point the trade exemption is gold and will hopefully be used to obtain a true center.
As for re-signing D. Jones, I wouldn't give him more than the minimum, certainly not 3 million. He owes the nuggets for salvaging his career and athletic two guards who can't shoot and are bench players, which is what he still is, are a dime a dozen. He's also dirty and thinks he's a lot better than he is so he whines too much. Much rather have G. Hill, Channing Frye, or about 20 other players before paying Jones more than the minimum. He's a taller, dirtier, version of A.C.
by KarlSucks on Jul 8, 2009 10:19 AM MDT reply actions
As for the Jones scenario. I too would love to re-sign him if we had the money, yet that is not at all the case. And no offense to Jones, but I even think 3 mil a year is too much for his duties. And on top of all this, we already have a young, explosive SG who can actually shoot (Weems) who we are already paying to play. Hopefully we also are able to let Kleiza go somewhere because that would open up a whole lot of room to sign some players. What about a sign and trade with Kleiza to the Cavs for Big Z using our trade exception? That would give us a true center for sure. This would also leave us room to sign some of the players Andrew mentioned, which I like all of them by the way. Isn't Novak the guy who played for the Clippers last year? If so, I say we go after him. He seemed to be the only guy holding that team together.
by Goldennugget on Jul 8, 2009 10:27 AM MDT reply actions
If you see D. Jones mother in the stands again, can you smack her (gently) on her sons behalf? Please explain to her that giving her son a common name then misspelling it doesn' make him unique, it just makes him have to spell his name to everyone for the rest of his life. I'm so tired of parents who say: I wanted to name my daugher Michelle, but I spelled it with a y, two z's, and an o to make her unique. Idiots, including some of my family...
by KarlSucks on Jul 8, 2009 10:27 AM MDT reply actions
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column/107763-bird-of-a-feather-the-curious-case-of-chris-andersen/
by Jeff on Jul 8, 2009 10:35 AM MDT reply actions
by Gasus on Jul 8, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions
by Gasus on Jul 8, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions
by keeperdesign on Jul 8, 2009 11:22 AM MDT reply actions
@ Jeff: I didn't enjoy that article too much. The writer seemed to be playing the reverse race card a bit too much. Why can't people just let things "BE"? Why must there always be an underlying cause to success? He's a good guy, who made some bad choices, and learned from them. To contrast, look at JR Rider. Another talented ball player who made some bad choices. The only difference is that Rider, as far as I know, never made the effort to admit he was wrong, get help, and return to basketball. And at this point has probably spent more time in front of judges and in cells than he had spent time on the court for the last half of his career. The difference was not race or upbrining, rather their attitude toward their wrong actions.
-Joelsopinion AKA a black guy
by Joelsopinion on Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM MDT reply actions
He turns 31 today, so will be 36 with an expiring contract at the end of his term. Plus, thanks to his love of herb, he has a couple of years less wear and tear. So you hopefully get three or four productive years out of him then use him as a trade asset in year four or five.
by KarlSucks on Jul 8, 2009 11:39 AM MDT reply actions
Secondly Ty Lawson is going to be better than just about everyone thinks. His numbers this year were astounding and he is obviously able to handle a high level of play. (see the championship) By the end of the year we'll be seeing Karl play Ty just like he used to play AC both by himself and with CB.
As also mentioned Weems is (probably) going to be given a couple minutes a game to see what he can do.
Finally if we keep both Kleiza and Balkman they will both earn some time and some of it will be spent at the two. Given that we have these talented players I'd be surprised if the FO resigned Dahntay, they already want to see these other guys develop. I liked Dahntay a lot but agree that he will be one of the causualties of the cap.
by NugzD on Jul 8, 2009 12:05 PM MDT reply actions
You give Dahntay Jones way more credit than he is due. Yes, he plays his heart out on defense and his athleticism is electrifying, but the fact of the matter is that the man does not have a good feel for the game of basketball and actually hurt the Nuggets more than he helped them last year.
On offense, he's a liability mainly because his shooting and ball-handling skills are limited to begin with. Second, he's a below-average clean-up finisher in traffic. For a guy with his athleticism, this is where he could really contribute and make up for his mediocre shooting, yet he doesn't. Third, (and this is the real killer for his effectiveness on offense because he's never one of the top few offensive options on the floor), he doesn't move particularly well without the basketball. He often gets caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, disrupting the flow of the offense.
On defense, he could be the Bruce Bowen type of player you describe him as if he didn't commit so many stupid, mindless fouls. How many times in the playoffs alone did he play great lock-down defense on a guy for several seconds before bailing him out with a stupid blatant foul (and then freak out about the call for good measure)? Too many to count.
Given that he is bad on offense and only so-so on defense, it follows that he wouldn't be a very valuable player overall. His on/off numbers back this up completely. Here's a damning statistic: for every 48 minutes that Dahntay Jones was on the court this season, the Nuggets were outscored by almost 3 points. For the sake of comparison, when J.R. was on the floor, the Nuggets outscored their opponents by 7.6 points per 48 minutes; for Melo, 6.3; Nene, 5.8, Chauncey, 4.2 etc. Just ahead of Dahntay in the rotation was Kleiza at 0.4 points per 48 minutes. Dahntay was the only rotation player with a negative on-court number. He was by far the worst player in the rotation in this category, which one could argue is the most useful gauge of a player’s overall value to his team over a long season. Add in the fact that Dahntay was a starter and that the bulk of his minutes was alongside the best players on the team, it becomes increasingly evident that he hurt the Nuggets more than he helped them last year. Were the Nuggets really just a slow team out of the gate because it took them a while to work into their rhythm? Or were they slow at the start because Dahntay Jones was on the court, disrupting the flow of the offense without adding much on defense? I think the latter.
In conclusion, I think it’s silly to debate whether Dahntay Jones deserves $2 or $3 million a year. He doesn’t deserve a roster spot. Yes, Jones will command more money on the open market this year because he had the opportunity to demonstrate his freakish athleticism every game as a starter last year. Every offseason, NBA executives foolishly overpay for athleticism and this year will be no exception. (Kiki Vandeweghe did this in 2004 with the incredibly explosive but otherwise limited Kenyon Martin. The Nuggets are in the cap situation they’re in today because of that move. Thanks Kiki! ) Good for Dahntay that he’ll make himself some money next year. Whoever ends up paying him that money is a sucker.
by Ben on Jul 8, 2009 1:57 PM MDT reply actions
by Mike on Jul 8, 2009 6:09 PM MDT reply actions
Make sure you check out the pictures too.
by Goldennugget on Jul 8, 2009 7:52 PM MDT reply actions
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