The Nuggets offseason: George Karl...
After The Denver Post's Chris Dempsey wrote about Nuggets head coach George Karl possibly being extended this summer, the virtual chat and the Denver Stiffs email box have been abuzz with arguments on both sides of this issue. Some readers want Karl extended now. Others not only don't want Karl extended, but they want him removed altogether. But even those in the anti-Karl camp will concede that coming off a 54-win season and a Western Conference Finals appearance Karl is going nowhere. At least for now.Karl makes about $3 million per season. Since coach salaries aren't often made public, I have to guess as to where that puts Karl among his peers. According to Forbes magazine, the Lakers' Phil Jackson pulled in $10.3 million last season, followed by the Bobcats' Larry Brown, the Knicks' Mike D'Antoni, the Warriors' Don Nelson, and the Celtics' Doc Rivers - all of whom make at least $6 million per season. I also know that the Trail Blazers' Nate McMillan makes more than $6 million per season and I'm sure the Spurs' Gregg Popovich does even better. And it's rumored that the Jazz's Jerry Sloan, the Rockets' Rick Adelman, the Clippers' Mike Dunleavy and the Hornets' Byron Scott all make at least $5.5 million apiece, and the Wizards just hired Flip Saunders for over $4.5 million per season, the Mavericks' Rick Carlisle pulls in $4.4 million and Stan Van Gundy probably comes in at about $4 million. Assuming Karl makes more money than the rest of his coaching peers, his salary ranks about 15th - right in the middle among all NBA coaches.
Is Karl ranked 15th among all coaches? I have Karl - when motivated - tied for ninth along with McMillan, Saunders and Carlisle, and behind (in no particular order) Jackson, Popovich, Brown, Rivers, Sloan, Van Gundy, Adelman and D'Antoni. Given that the coaches ranked first through ninth on my list are all locked up, giving Karl an extension deserves serious consideration. And here's why...
The Good: For both "The Good" and "The Bad" we'll look at the Madness that is King George through numbers, history and intangibles.Numbers - From a regular season perspective, the numbers in Karl's defense speak for themselves. Not only does he have 933 wins (one of only 10 coaches in NBA history with 900 wins), but he has a very respectable career winning percentage of .592, better than five of the coaches ahead of him in wins. And in spite of his numerous playoff failures which we'll detail below in "The Bad," Karl ranks 12th all-time in playoff wins with 72 postseason victories.
History - Beyond the numbers, Karl deserves credit for resurrecting teams loaded with big egos upon arrival. In 1992, Karl inherited a .500 Seattle Supersonics team featuring Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton and guided them to 27 wins in their final 42 games and a playoff series victory. Following his debut season in Seattle, George Karl-led Sonics teams had 60-plus wins three times, never less than 55 wins and appeared in the 1996 NBA Finals, becoming the first Finals team ever not to get swept after being down three games to zero (of course they ended up losing in six). And after Karl was fired in May of 1998, the Sonics missed the playoffs four times in the next six seasons and didn't win another playoff series until 2005.
Karl leveraged his success with the Sonics into becoming the highest paid coach in NBA history when the Milwaukee Bucks hired him before the lockout-shortened 1998-99 season. Coming off seven consecutive postseason absences, Karl led the Bucks - featuring tough-to-coach personalities like Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson, Ray Allen and Sam Cassell - to three straight playoff berths, culminating with an Eastern Conference Finals appearance in 2001.
And Nuggets fans are familiar with what Karl has done in Denver since taking over the coaching reins in 2005. Unlike the Milwaukee situation, the Nuggets were already playoff ready but faltering. Coming off a spirited 43-39 record the season before, the Nuggets were off to a shaky 17-25 start that included two coaching changes and infighting among the players. Karl immediately righted the ship, guiding the Nuggets and their collection of huge egos like Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Andre Miller and Marcus Camby to an all-time NBA best (over 40 games) 32-8 record and a playoff berth. And for a franchise that had made the playoffs only three times in 14 seasons before Karl was hired, Karl has led the Nuggets to five consecutive playoff appearances, including a Western Conference Finals appearance this past season.
Intangibles - George Karl coached teams, and Karl himself, thrive when the expectations are low, the egos big, and the franchise is in trouble. Karl is one of the few coaches out there who can deliver immediate results in those situations and the numbers - as noted above - prove that out. Additionally, those in the media who cover Karl closely have told me that he has one of the "top 10 basketball minds" in the NBA and that it's indisputable what a fierce competitor he is.
As 5280 magazine's Robert Sanchez - who wrote a terrific piece on Karl back in March - explained to me in his post-article interview with Denver Stiffs: "I look at George like a mechanic who takes your junk car and makes it drivable again. Maybe he’s not the guy who tunes the engine or puts on the special tires and rims, but there’s no shame in being a great mechanic. He won’t take your junk car and turn it into a Maserati, but he’ll turn it into a really good Toyota that you can drive for 200,000 miles and will keep a good resale value."
And let's not forget, entering what will be his seventh season as the Nuggets head coach, Karl is one of the most tenured coaches in the NBA right now. While I thought Karl should have been removed last summer after four straight playoff failures in Denver, there's something to be said for continuity. Karl has a great relationship with the Nuggets floor general, Chauncey Billups, and appears to have built a solid relationship with the team's two other alpha dogs, Carmelo Anthony and Kenyon Martin.
Whether Karl keeping his job in Denver was the result of a bad economy (i.e. the Nuggets weren't going to axe Karl, pay him out and hire another $3-plus million coach) or a loyal organization, we'll never really know. But no one knows these current Nuggets players better than Karl, and by finally turning in an effort on par with what we witnessed in 2005 upon his arrival in the Mile High City, Karl helped deliver one of the best seasons in Nuggets NBA franchise history.
The Bad: Numbers - While Karl has consistently produced regular season wins and playoff appearances (in 21 seasons of coaching, Karl has missed the playoffs just three times, with two of those absences coming in his first four years of coaching), he's been to just one NBA Finals and has lost more playoff games (89) than he's won (72). More alarming for Nuggets fans should be this number: 0-5. That's Karl's playoff coaching record in Denver when the Nuggets are facing elimination. In spite of their recent spate of success, Karl's Nuggets have never once won a back-against-the-wall, the-season-ends-tomorrow type playoff game.
History - More famously (or perhaps infamously), Karl has presided over some historic implosions when the expectations are highest. His 63-win 1993-94 Sonics became the first one-seed in NBA history to lose to an 8th seed, in spite of having won 21 more games than their opponent, the Denver Nuggets. And his Sonics followed up that dismal performance with another clunker in 1995 when his 57-win Sonics lost in four games to the 48-win Los Angeles Lakers. After impressively guiding his Milwaukee Bucks to the 2001 Eastern Conference Finals, Karl's 2001-02 Bucks lost 23 of their last 36 games - one of, if not the, biggest second half downfalls in NBA history. And more recently in Denver, Karl's 2007-08 Nuggets had 60-win potential and an $83 million payroll (remember all that 60-win optimism before the season began?) and delivered us nothing. Even though that team finished with a normally impressive 50 wins, they barely made the playoffs and never put up a fight in a sweep against the Lakers.
Intangibles - As documented in great detail on this site for two years now, Karl's intangibles are what drive the fans insane: refusing to work the referees, sitting through most games expressionless - especially against lesser opponents - until his Nuggets are down in the fourth quarter and then he gets up to work the sidelines, mind numbing substitution patterns (Karl's insistence on having the six-foot Anthony Carter on the floor to guard Kobe Bryant during the Western Conference Finals while Dahntay Jones rode the pine will forever remain a mystery to me), rarely calling timeouts - especially in the first half - to prevent opposing team runs, lack of set play calls (notably inbounds plays) and criticizing his players in the media while rarely - if ever - accepting blame himself.
Whether it's fair or not, from the fan's perspective Karl basically leveraged his solid Nuggets debut in 2005 into mailing it in for three straight years. And with the exception of this blog and a few voices in the Denver sports media, no one was calling Karl out for it. In a recent interview with SI.com's Ian Thomsen, Karl spoke candidly about those three seasons of disappointing results: "I'm not sure I was faking it, but the last couple of years I was confused. When a problem came up, I didn't know how to address it based on my experiences." I'm sure Stan Kroenke - having shelled out $83 million in payroll and another $13 million in luxury tax money in 2008 - was thrilled to read that.
Possible Replacement(s): We went through this exercise last season and at the time my vote was for Larry Brown (who, by the way, did a great job with the Bobcats this past season). Other candidates were Jeff Van Gundy (who alienated all of Denver for the rest of his life after admitting that he didn't follow the Nuggets last season and groveling over all things Kobe during the Western Conference Finals), Rick Carlisle, Nuggets legend and current Raptors assistant coach Alex English and Rocky, the Nuggets mascot. If I were to type up a list today, it would still include Van Gundy, English and Rocky, but I'd also throw in Avery Johnson and Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau.
But unless Karl presides over a Bucks-like implosion with the Nuggets this season, I don't see him getting replaced anytime soon.
The Verdict: I already tipped my hand on this one when I wrote about the "5 Questions for the Offseason" and I'll stand by what I said then, which is to see how Karl and the Nuggets respond to their new found success before extending the coach. As noted above, historically Karl thrives when the expectations are low and has failed when the expectations are high, and entering the 2009-10 season the expectations for the Nuggets couldn't be higher. And with all the cash rich teams set with their respective coaches and Karl openly wanting to remain in Denver, I don't see the rush.Furthermore, I could see the Nuggets going either way next season. On the one hand, I envision the Nuggets building on their recent success, turning in another 54-plus win season and marching back into the conference finals while giving the Lakers an even tougher fight as a now experienced team. On the other hand, a 2001-02 Bucks-type implosion wouldn't surprise me, either. In 2008-09, Karl and his players were fueled by having something to prove. What will they be fueled by in 2009-10? That's the coach's job to figure out.
If the Nuggets respond to success with more success next season - leading their division, on pace for at least a two-seed in the conference, etc - I say give Karl an extension around the All-Star break. Until then, why should the Nuggets lock themselves into a long term, expensive coaching contract that limits their flexibility should the Nuggets disappoint?
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Let's not forget that the lack of an inbounds play cost the nuggets a chance to win two games in the WCF. After game one, he never made the adjustment and designed a play. Also, win the Lakers made the adjustment to go more to Gasol in Game 5, Karl never made an effective counter move.
One of the things that drives me nuts in professional sports is when it appears that the fans care more about winning and losing than the players or coaches. Karl fits into that category, and has admitted as much. It may be healthier for him mentally to keep wins and losses in perspective, but it's the guys obsessed with winning that get the job done.
by KarlSucks on Jun 17, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions
by AD on Jun 17, 2009 1:39 PM MDT reply actions
by Zzzzzz on Jun 17, 2009 1:43 PM MDT reply actions
Also, how many games do you think GK lost for his team this year? It was at least 2 in the playoffs with AC subs and awful inbounds plays. I figure every one in 10 games or so Karl is responsible for the loss. I guess if that is OK with you then you have the right to say, aw keep him he's a nice guy. Coaches shouldn't lose games for their team but every once in a great while. How many games do you think PJ lost for his team this year? I would be willing to wager it was at most 2 and 0 in the playoffs. Once again Andrew comes out with the politically correct thing to say about the Nuggets.
by Gasus on Jun 17, 2009 3:36 PM MDT reply actions
by Brian on Jun 17, 2009 3:42 PM MDT reply actions
I would say that reflects on Karl, who as you pointed out, has NEVER won a play-off elimination game. What would lead us to believe that would be different in the future?
Personally, I wouldn't bring him back next year. I think George has proven he can't win championships, and never will. I believe this year was his pinnacle year with the Nuggets. I don't think he can get them over the top. I felt all along in the play-offs, that the Nuggets biggest impediment was ultimately Karl.
Call me a pessimist, but I'd let him go. I think it was just prior to game six against the Lakers, the network was doing a comparison of Karl's and Jackson's respective play-off records. The total number of play-off games for both coaches if I remember right was fairly close. That's the ONLY number that was close in the comparison of the two coaches play-off records.
George has won 72 play-off games (you quoted that number...which is the same one the network quoted). Karl has won one conference title and never won a finals. By comparison, Jackson I think has 252 play-off victories (again, relatively the same number of total play-off games) and 10 NBA championships. There IS NO comparison. Karl is not even in the same league.
The writer who compared Karl to the good mechanic may be right on. This Grand Prix racing car is never going to win a Grand Prix if the lead race mechanic is a nice, meticulous Camry mechanic. We need a Grand Prix mechanic to win a Grand Prix.
The issue, I believe, is that Karl has taken this team as far as he is capable. He can't win the big elimination game. I'd have to say, I'm not a Van Gundy fan...either one of them. They're both too hyper and hysterical. We need somebody somewhere in between the calm, cough drop sucking Karl and the screaming Van Gundys.
No one ever mentions Adrian Dantley, a proven winner, who is very familiar with this team...and the few games I have seen him as the "acting head coach", I thought he accorded himself very well. It seemed to me that his game management, substitutions, time-outs, player conversations...were much more cohesive than Karl's. I'd love to see Pops, but that's not going to happen. Do you have more insight on Dantley, and why his name doesn't come up?
In any regard, assuming we can find a viable replacement (and I will throw Dantley's hat in the ring), I vote to make the replacement now. If I owned this team, I'd thank George for getting us to this point, and tell him it's time to make a change for the good of the franchise. Move him upstairs now if he wants to be in management. Or say goodbye. Turbo charge this race car, and we have a Finals contender.
by don l on Jun 17, 2009 6:27 PM MDT reply actions
You know who really impresses me is...Jim Tracy, the new manager of the Rockies. I know he doesn't coach basketball (maybe he's multi-talented!), but I really like his demeanor and the way he coaches. He made a couple of comments the other night that I found fairly astute when asked about his management philosophy and what role he sees for himself as manager.
I'm paraphrasing, but he said his job as a manager was to have his players in the right positions at the right time, in order to maximize the team's opportunity to win, and each team member's individual opportunity to succeed. He said his job as a coach was to to put players in a position to have success...not to set up them up for failure. Other than that, his job was stay out of the way until he needed to get involved. Phil Jackson?
From what I have seen so far, he does a very good job of that (Tracy). The Rockies got kicked last night, but there was just too much Jorge de la Rosa early to over-come. It's a steep hill when your pitcher serves up a record number of extra base hits (including 5 home runs!). Ouch! I think Jorge personally only gave up three of home runs before he exited with one out in the top of the third.
I'd say goodbye to both of the Georges (Karl and De la Rosa!). I don't think the players would be broken hearted. Let's win this thing while we have an opportunity!
by don l on Jun 17, 2009 6:27 PM MDT reply actions
I am one of the guys who has never like Karl, never will. I can't stand a coach who has no passion during the game (Phil Jackson is an obvious exception) because just like in any profession, if you arn't giving it your all you need to switch jobs. Team sports are an art, and in order to master that art you have to engage in social activity beyone what you normally would do in any other profession. You have to connect deeply with your associates (aka players) and understand them, how they work and what they do best. Karl does the exact opposite, he pushes people away. He has a history of it too. From Gary Payton at times to Ray Allen to K-Mart, Melo and especially JR. Not talking to one of your players, in my opinion, is like a journalist making up a story. It's that bad. Karl can have a great basketball mind, but it really isnt' worth a damn if he doesn't have good people skills too. We see him at the press confrences, we see him on the sidelines, we see him in the locker room, it's just not good enough for the talent we have right now. Carmello Anthony and Chauncey Billups are flat out pure winners, and there is not doubt in my mind they would proudly guid us to a title with a different coach. There needs to be no extension, PERIOD! Sure the guy got us our best season in franchise history, BUT WHO WOULDN'T HAVE WITH THE ROSTER WE HAD!!! It was bound to happen at some point in time. So, in summary, if we extend Karl's contract it will be a catistrophic mistake that will haunt us forever! Karl is done, he is washed up, he has admitted he doesn't want to coach anymore, so why allow him to do so? Unless we win a title next year, an extension would be a travesty.
PS: And speaking of expectations, anything less than 54 wins next year should be considered a failure, plain and simple.
by Goldennugget on Jun 17, 2009 6:54 PM MDT reply actions
George Karl should go coach a college or high school team.
As far as the person who was talking about AD being the coach, you must be new. I've preached that sermon many times in the past.
I was never one who thought GK should be coach of the year, or that AC was unfairly derided.
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by SamIam on Jun 17, 2009 8:22 PM MDT reply actions
Are we here to see our team win 54 games and go to WCF every year? No.
We're all here on internet message boards, on TV watching draft day, on NBA.com scorebox during summer leagues and pre-season, to hope the Nuggets can put pieces to win a championship.
Sure, replacing Karl is hard. But is this going to be the hurdle you don't want to overcome?
You KNOW Karl maxes out as a WCF coach, he will never win a championship. This is as far as he can take us.
Is WCF where we want to go? No, we want to go to the Finals and win a championship. Get rid of him, so we know we can achieve more and then we worry about who will take us further later. But priority is to get rid of him first. He is no championship quality coach.
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Like you said, Andrew, the 2008-2009 Nuggets were fueled by players having to prove something, and let's not forget, Billups' desire and determination to lead and quarterback this team to the best of his ability as a homecoming son.
Now all of that past, what's the motivation for 2009-2010? The theme won't still be "Billups homecoming" or "we all have something to prove". Karl's
"playing the right way" can only get you so far before players get bored and tune him out.
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We need more talent, more bigs so Nene doesn't complain everytime he gets bruises, we need personnel change and fresh breath of air in the coaching staff. This team is about sick and tired with Karl's approach... I see this coming.
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