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The Nuggets offseason: Anthony Carter...

(Photo courtesy of Jonathan Maness)

With the Nuggets trading for UNC point guard Ty Lawson in last Thursday's NBA Draft, the timing couldn't be better to discuss whether or not the Nuggets should re-sign backup point guard Anthony Carter. For an assortment of reasons that will be detailed below, A.C. has become a lightning rod for criticism on this blog and among most Nuggets fans that I talk to, and I've never believed this to be totally fair. So before jumping right to the comments section to voice your opinion on why the Nuggets shouldn't re-sign A.C., here's the case for and against the 10-year veteran.

The Good: Keeping in mind that Carter made "just" $1.26 million last season, there's a lot to appreciate about him. Even with his minutes cut down by six from his 28 minutes per game peak of 2007-08, Carter put up solid numbers in points (5.3), assists (4.7) and steals (1.2). Additionally, as he's done since arriving in Denver right before the 2007 playoffs, Carter never takes a night off and provides an instant energy boost off the bench. Carter may get careless with the basketball (more on that below), but you can never accuse A.C. of not giving his all.

A recent notable example of A.C.'s upside would be his performance against the Mavericks in the second round of the playoffs. In Game 1, A.C. scored 12 points on six-of-eight shooting, had four assists and two huge steals which led to easy layups, sparking a blowout victory for the Nuggets. And in the closeout Game 5, with the Nuggets looking sluggish and allowing the Mavericks to hang around into the third quarter, A.C. came off the bench and had two quick offensive rebound put-backs that the Mavs didn't see coming. A.C. finished Game 5 with eight points on four-of-six shooting to go along with five rebounds and three assists. And he did all that in just 17 minutes of playing time.

Beyond the numbers and never-ending hustle, A.C. has earned the trust of his head coach (more on this in "The Bad" below) and teammates, and has never once complained about his minutes or his role, which has changed from bench warmer to backup to starter and back to backup.

And again, let's not forget the price tag. With five Nuggets - Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Chauncey Billups, Nene and J.R. Smith - eating up about 85% of the pre-luxury tax payroll, the Nuggets aren't going to have a multi-million dollar backup point guard like Earl Watson or Steve Blake. $1.26 million a season doesn't excuse Anthony Carter from performing under par off the bench, but it does put his respectable numbers and fairly solid nightly performances in perspective.

(Photo courtesy of Jonathan Maness)

The Bad: I've written a number of times that you can't be critical of A.C. without being critical of the man who plays him too many minutes, insists on playing him side-by-side with another undersized guard and regularly puts him in situations that don't suit A.C.'s skills (like inbounds plays). That man, of course, would be George Karl. Karl's "old school" approach to the game which includes rewarding veterans like A.C. with ample playing time may be admirable to some, but it often bites Karl - and thereby the entire Nuggets team - in the ass. And in regards to A.C. specifically, this has been going on for two straight seasons now.

There are countless examples of Karl inserting A.C. into games in situations that make absolutely no sense. Most recently, Nuggets fans everywhere collectively cringed when Karl would sub the 6'2" (that's generous) A.C. in for Smith to play alongside the 6'3" Chauncey Billups and be asked to defend the 6'6" Kobe Bryant throughout long stretches of the Western Conference Finals. I don't have the numbers on exactly how many points Kobe scored when A.C. was guarding him, but for the second straight postseason Kobe torched A.C. If Kobe didn't score easily over A.C., then he easily found an open man to pass to because A.C. simply can't do anything in defense of Kobe (few can, but A.C. literally had no chance of succeeding). And Karl's most ludicrous decision of the WCF was when he chose the diminutive A.C. to throw in a crucial inbounds pass while being guarded by the 6'10" Lamar Odom in the closing moments of Game 1. We all remember what happened there.

Even though there wasn't a third viable point guard (apologies to Jason Hart) to insert into the rotation last season, Karl played A.C. way too many minutes. For about 10 minutes a game, A.C. is fine. Once you get north of 10 minutes, the results diminish and that leads us to another negative on A.C. - turnovers.

For whatever reason, after he's been on the floor a while A.C. gets a little too comfortable and starts throwing "touchdown" passes that rarely materialize into anything other than a turnover. You know what these passes look like. The Nuggets are on a nice run, they pull down a big offensive rebound, Melo leaks out ahead of the defense and A.C. throws the pass...into the stands. A.C. also has a propensity to throw the ball right to opposing players while trying to make an ill-timed alley-oop pass that his own teammates often aren't expecting. As I stated a few months ago, if J.R. Smith is "The One Man Comeback" than A.C. could be nicknamed "The One Man Turnover." In a quarter of the games A.C. played in 2008-09, he turned the ball over at least three times which basically equates to one turnover per seven minutes of playing time in those games.

I should also call out A.C.'s shooting as another negative. He's a career 40.4% shooter and an even worse 23.8% shooter from behind the arc, but he only shoots one three-pointer a game. To his credit, though, A.C. has been known to make timely jump shots when he shoots in rhythm. But he gets in trouble when he's forced to put up a shot after standing around.

Possible Replacement(s): This question has already been answered somewhat with the Lawson acquisition, but by bringing in Lawson doesn't mean A.C. is gone. In fact, I bet it's quite the opposite. With Lawson set to make about $1.5 million (not too much by NBA standards, even with the Nuggets being capped out), bringing back A.C. for about $1.3 million will fit into the Nuggets salary projections. This doesn't mean the Nuggets shouldn't be looking for a steal elsewhere, however, but to do so we're talking bargain basement shopping.

The "bargain bin" of backup point guards include names of former first and second round draft choices who thus far haven't been able to hack it in the NBA, such as Taurean Green, Mateen Cleaves, Marcus Williams, Dee Brown, Dan Dickau and so on. Williams is my favorite on that list, but I'm not sure what his situation is with the Warriors. Although according to HoopsHype.com, Williams is an unrestricted free agent and the Warriors don't have any team option or qualifying offer rights to him.

So unless the Nuggets are insistent on going really cheap (i.e. less than $1 million for their third point guard), expect to see A.C. back in training camp.

The Verdict: I hate to go against almost all of my readers' wishes, but unless the Nuggets can find a better backup point guard for less than $1.5 million, I'm for bringing A.C. back for three reasons.

First, there's no guarantee that Lawson is going to pan out. While we're all thrilled with the acquisition and see a lot of upside, Lawson could also be added to that list of "short point guards who didn't pan out" like Green, Brown, Williams and Cleaves, all of whom had awesome college careers. To be fair, Green, Brown and Williams are young enough that we could still see them as productive NBA backup point guards. But I think the jury is in on Cleaves.

Second, spending $1.3 million on A.C. is a cheap (relatively speaking) way to pacify Karl who's going to be coach next season whether he gets extended now or not. Karl has publicly stated numerous times that he wants A.C. back, so if the Nuggets give Karl his wish on this roster spot, maybe that buys them a future acquisition to push through over Karl's objections (as he's had in past roster decision squabbles with Nuggets management).

And third, what's wrong with a little backup point guard controversy? A lot of Nuggets fans have voiced their displeasure with Karl already stating that Lawson will need to "prove that he's got to play sometime". But since when should the backup point guard spot - or any roster spot for that matter - just be handed over to a rookie? If by having to compete with A.C. for the number two point guard slot makes Lawson work harder, focus more, play better, etc, than so be it.

That being said, if Lawson performs admirably in summer league, training camp and during the preseason and Karl refuses to play him over A.C. (as we saw with J.R. Smith up until the second half of last season), I'll be the first to call Karl out for such an absurd decision. But before we get into the A.C. vs. Lawson debate, let's see how Lawson performs.

Best case scenario, Lawson turns out to be a solid pro right away, a la Mario Chalmers last season. This means Billups' playing time could be reduced from 35 minutes per game down to maybe 31 or 32, Lawson steps in for 15-18 minutes and A.C. gets a few garbage time minutes.

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Worst case cenario, we end up in the WCF with 1:26 to play and AC is called in to inbound.As you stated though you can't blame AC for his coach's coaching.

When I was about 13 my favortie toy was my bb gun. I wrecked anything I could with that gun. The only way to stop it was for my mom to take the gun away.

To liken this to the Nuggets situation, the FO (mom) has to take away Karl's (my) bb gun (AC) to stop the destructive nature.

I agree AC hustles hard when he's in, but that doesn't equate to instant success. For all we know Hart is a better back up. Weems could have been our guy. lawson may fit the bill too, but we won't know however until someone takes Karl's bb gun away from him.

by Joelsopinion on Jun 29, 2009 12:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Solid post Andrew,

I'm one of those nuggets fans that watches every game. I knew the camby was not a good center for the nuggets. He had good numbers but, didn't make the team play better.
Like you said in your post, AC gets kudos for the effort but in no way can he back up billups. The difference was night and day.
The lakers Shanon brown gets paid 500K more than carter, And he could be a starter on a good team. AC will always be a dumpy hustle player.

Sorry Andrew. I have watched him throw to many games away. Last season. I would pay him 100k max

But, whatever keep up the good work. GO nuggets.

by Agent Fisher on Jun 29, 2009 12:53 PM MDT reply actions  

No comment

by Gasus on Jun 29, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions  

The worst site in a game last season was for A.C. to connect on his first baseball pass of the game. That guaranteed three more into the stands to follow.

I agree that they need an experienced backup 2 guard. Even if the rookie is great, you need a third guard in case of injury. If Billups got hurt, you would not want to see the nuggets have to rely on a rookie and J.R. Smith at the point. I'd love to see them bring in someone taller with better shooting and fewer turnovers, which is almost anyone, but the money may not work.

The good news is that SI is reporting the nuggets are gearing up for an active summer and have the green light to spend over the luxury tax. For some reason the author mentions a bunch of small forwards as targets and no centers...

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by KarlSucks on Jun 29, 2009 1:52 PM MDT reply actions  

I am ok with bringing AC back. But cut down on his minutes. By the way, what is Hart's status?

by andrew.crain on Jun 29, 2009 2:24 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm ok with re-signing AC ... as long as the other players have been re-signed first. AC should ONLY play garbage minutes next season anyway.

by zaf on Jun 29, 2009 2:45 PM MDT reply actions  

If we end up in a situation where we've re-signed AC at about $1.3mil and failed to re-sign Birdman because we're about $1.3mil short on our offer, then that would be a horrendous decision.

by MJKeenan on Jun 29, 2009 3:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Joelsopinion speaks the truth yet again. The thing you fail to realize Andrew is that as long as AC is here he will continue to be utilized in incredibly unacceptable scenarios (ie: guarding Kobe Bryant in the WCFs). I don't like making AC the scapegoat just as much as you, but there comes a time when something has to be done about a bad situation. We took the first step in fixing it by drafting Lawson, so why not just totally better ourselves by not re-signing AC. Remember, Lawson is a different crop of PG. Sure he is small, but he is extremely fast and is a leader. He won a national championship being the leader of the team, you can't say that about a lot of PGs. There is actually no doubt in my mind that he could lead us if Chauncey were to go down with an injury. Joelsopinion said it perfectly though, as long as he is here he is going to be misused. Plus on top of all this, we are trying to save as much as we can, so resigning a player of a position we already have seems worthless and stupid. Oh well, I know we are going to resign him anyways so it doesn't really matter. I just want to see Lawson get a fair shot at the backup spot, because I know he would win it.

by Goldennugget on Jun 29, 2009 4:18 PM MDT reply actions  

You know Andrew you're about a wishy washy as those politicians in Washington D.C.
You just wrote an article where you were elated that the Nuggets got Lawson and saying goodbye to Anthony Carter.
I want to make the case where you are a hyprocrite in that when you were writing about the draft picks you were all for Mills. Then you came back to address someone that "IF the Nuggets kept it's 34th pick you were for Mills. That's BS Dude. Just like this site, Fire George Karl. No give him credit where credit is due and lets keep him. And there are a number of other instances where you say one thing then a week or two later you do a reversal.
You're losing credence with me, You flop like a trout out of water.

by Anonymous on Jun 29, 2009 4:26 PM MDT reply actions  

I love AC. I am hoping he will be back next year. Probably the nicest guy on the team and a very solid backup veteran point guard.

by Brian on Jun 29, 2009 4:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Way to go Joelsopinion and Goldennugget
Comon Gasus, I would like for you to express yourself.
AC is a very sore subject with me, NO ONE is going to convience me that AC should be a Nugget under any circumstance. The proof is in the pudding. He has demonstrated time after time he shouldn't be in the NBA. If a person wants to have pity on him that's fine. I'm not one of those and I know there are many many more who feel as I do. Check out the Denver Post.
Anthony Carter "Unfairly Deride" is a joke.
Anyone, tell me why did the Nuggets use their draft pick to get Ty Lawson?
BECAUSE WE NEEDED A DECENT BACK UP POINT GUARD! HELLO!

by SamIam on Jun 29, 2009 4:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

This, according to Einstein.

Look, I like that AC works hard for his money. I imagine he's a great practice player. And he's a really good guy. How does that translate into (5) more regular season wins and get us by the Lakers? It doesn't. It's not his fault that he is put into situations where he is set up to fail. Repeatedly. He's just not the right tool for the job. And to continue to put him into those same situations, over and over again and expect different results is... insanity.

He's short as a defender, short on talent and short on execution.

I cringe when he shoots, when he throws hero passes and when he takes 3 pointers.

Sorry, but at $1.5MM I beleive we can do better.

by My3Cents on Jun 29, 2009 5:01 PM MDT reply actions  

One more question, how can Ty Lawson not pan out being schooled by CB.
Maybe some of you who are in the AC camp can understand this analogy.
AC might have been the equivalent to GM,Chysler or Lehman Brothers stock, all are now BANKRUPT!

by SamIam on Jun 29, 2009 5:06 PM MDT reply actions  

@ Anonymous (Part 1 of 2)-

First off, I appreciate you following the blog so closely to even notice my alleged contradictions, although I don't see how anything I've written lately could be deemed contradictory. Second, given that I have the guts to put my full name on this site at risk of my professional reputation and therefore have to either back up, defend or apologize for everything I say and take the responsibility and public criticism for it (warranted or not), you should at the very least have the courtesy of creating a fake name when submitting your comments rather than hide behind the "Anonymous" moniker. It's because of readers like you that this site in its next form will no longer allow for Anonymous commenters. Third, nothing you've railed against makes any sense and is totally baseless, so allow me to rebut your comments (re-printed in bold) point-by-point...

You just wrote an article where you were elated that the Nuggets got Lawson and saying goodbye to Anthony Carter.
-No I didn't. My exact quote was: "[Lawson] addresses one of the Nuggets most glaring needs - backup point guard (sorry, Anthony Carter, but your ultimate replacement has arrived)." What part of "ultimate" didn't you understand? Perhaps I should have used the word "eventual" in that Carter's "eventual" replacement has arrived. At no point in that post did I advocate for Carter not to be re-signed. Yes, I'm elated about Lawson and yes, I hope and believe he'll supplant AC as early as Day 1 this season. But that doesn't mean AC shouldn't be re-signed for the reasons given in today's column.

(cont'd - see next comment)

by Andrew on Jun 29, 2009 5:34 PM MDT reply actions  

I want to make the case where you are a hypocrite in that when you were writing about the draft picks you were all for Mills. Then you came back to address someone that "IF the Nuggets kept it's 34th pick you were for Mills."

I don't remember saying this but if I did, so what? Perhaps I should have said "if the Nuggets keep their 34th pick and don't trade for a really good point guard in the draft" to cover all my bases? The bottom line is that as soon as the Nuggets acquired Lawson, also drafting Mills made no sense. The Nuggets had to either a) sell the pick for as much as they good get or b) draft DeJuan Blair. They went with Option 1, and as I wrote we'll see if that proves to be shrewd or not in the long run. You need to learn the definition of a hypocrite, by the way (more on that below).

Just like this site, Fire George Karl. No give him credit where credit is due and lets keep him.

The fact that this site began as FGK will forever confuse some readers, and I accept that. I've had to explain the name change over and over and over, but I'll do it again here. Halfway through the 2007-08 season I adamantly believed Karl had to go if the Nuggets lost a fourth straight first round playoff series under Karl, and thus launched this site. They lost, my point was proven but the Nuggets didn't fire Karl. But after launching this site, I became privy to information about the Nuggets organization as a whole (documented on this site) and decided that by placing all the blame on Karl was uninformed on my part and unfair to Karl. Moreover, I want this site to be the best Nuggets blog around for all things Nuggets, not just another "fire the coach" site. And in my opinion - and this is just my opinion - you can't kick a coach, or a player, or a GM or even a US president when he's down but give him no credit when he's up. I believe - again, in my opinion, that I have more credibility by being balanced than being a stubborn, one-sided person who refuses to change his mind even when the facts change before him. You're correct that I changed my mind that a Karl extension decision should be moved three-to-four whole months from the 2010 All-Star break the end of the 2010 postseason. What exactly is wrong with that? And I didn't hear the name of the coach you had in mind in place of Karl to deliver a championship, by the way. At least when I advocated for Karl's removal, I had a championship caliber coach in mind who was available at the time in Larry Brown.

The countless loyal readers of this blog - such as SamIam, Gasus, Goldennugget, Joelsopinion, My3Cents and Agent Fisher just to name a few - know that I love a healthy debate, criticism and that I will change my mind when presented with well thought out arguments. All their comments today vehemently rebuffed my stance on AC and yet they were able to do it without personal insults as you can't seem to avoid.

Keep in mind that changing one's opinion does not make one a hypocrite (preaching family values and then screwing your mistress in Argentina does), but instead makes one an evolved, open person. If that point of view makes me a politician in your eyes, than so be it.

I look forward to seeing what fake name you create next time you trash me in the comments section. It takes about two seconds to type one in.

Yours Truly,

Andrew Feinstein

by Andrew on Jun 29, 2009 5:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Touché Andrew.

by My3Cents on Jun 29, 2009 5:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Andrew -

THANK YOU for disallowing anonymous comments when you update the site. These cowards have NO BUSINESS being here. It takes ONE SECOND to type in a fake name people!!!! You'll probably delete this but that Anon guy is a douche bag pussy...

And kudos to you for not deleting his comment and taking the time to even address it.

by maxie miner on Jun 29, 2009 5:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Andrew nice way of handling dumb people.


I still hate AC though.(as a player, not as a person).
I also agree about the Fire George Karl site. That was when the nuggets couldn't get to the second round. For four years.

NOW the nuggets are one of the elite teams in the nba. And some are still on the fire Karl bit.
come on, move on.

It's also Andrews web site. If you don't like it go to a different one.(not sure its my place to say that but, I'm sick of these morons.)

Anyway. GO NUGGETS. Two days till free agents pop up everywhere.

by Agent Fisher on Jun 29, 2009 6:40 PM MDT reply actions  

like you i don't mind carter that much ( my wife will disagree), what i hate is when he is in the game too much and you have two pg in at the same time, as you stated. what i see happening now that will just make me cry is, lawson,cb and AC in at the same time. karl was already stating how much he loves smaller gaurds, and the matchup problems they make offense. he really doesn't think about the disadvantages on defense does he?
here is hoping that carmelo grows up more and will tell karl what to do like he did in thge lakers sereas. Making karl sub in LK for AC so that he would gaurd kobe.

Go nuggs,
PS i hope we spend the money on a true center like a trade for that magic backup

by nuggs0611 on Jun 29, 2009 7:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah Anthony Carter plays hard and cannot be blamed... what is he supposed to say, "coach don't play me, I suck, I will hurt the organization and the fanbase."

It's Karl's judgment and just flat out weird thinking giving him too much playing time.

---

Here's a fearless prediction: I sense the Nuggets started tuning GK out in Game 5 and Game 6 of Lakers series... I believe this will continue... we will get off to a terrible start like 2-7 or 2-9 before the FO decides it's enough and fires him. Hopefully it doesn't get to Bzdelik's 17-25 record before he's dismissed. It would be irony but I hope Karl is fired asap so we can get someone in that players respect and listen.

I can tell even Billups (the non drama, ultimate pro guy) was also tuning GK out... didn't make eye contacts with him, just nodding so GK can shut up and quickly finish talking not because he's agreeing to what he's saying.

Take a chance on new coaches. You don't have to go with the experienced ones.. These guys are good enough to self coach themselves, all they need is a change of scenery, a fresh air after Karl.


- Snake -

by Anonymous on Jun 30, 2009 12:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Ooooh, Andrew getting defensive, lol. Thank god you aren't allowing Anonymous comments anymore, that is a great idea. To be fair though, you are easily persuaded, no offense. In fact, like you said, it's probably a good thing that you are not stubborn and just dont' take into account other well-thought out ideas. The only thing I really have ever disagreed strongly with you on is your stance on Karl. The main reason I came to this blog was to support the idea of Karl being fired, and now you want to give him an extension? Idk, I understand the whole concept of rewarding one when they do good and all, but there comes a time when a bad coach just has a shit load of talent and really can't lose. That is my main argument. Karl has had an abundance of talent around him for most of his time in Denver and only one successful run in the playoffs which really isnt' to his credit anyways (In Chauncey We Trust). I mean, isn't it right there in front of you? The zero communication level with one of your star players, the baffling rotations, the purposful mismatches (AC on Kobe), the shunning of players that should see more time (Balkman) and the rewarding of time for player that shouldnt' see the court as much (AC). It's just too obvious to me to try and ignore. And the really bad thing about the contract extension is what happens if we give it to him mid-season and we end up getting bounced in the first or second round again? Karl is not the answer we need. We are a team on the verge of getting over the hump and he won't satisfy our needs. We need a coach who has proven he can win in the clutch, when his players and city is most relying on him. Karl is not that man. But again, I'm with this blog, I'm not going anywhere even with your new found stance on Karl. I love the people here and the small community you have assembled. I can't wait till the new style is revealed. Hopefully it will continue to grow.

by Goldennugget on Jun 30, 2009 1:08 AM MDT reply actions  

And like I have said before, look at the Rockies right now, or Detroit in 2003/2004, or Miami in 06. These are teams that were extremely competetive, some even made it to the championship, but the organization wasn't afraid to fire the coach even with success, buecause ultimately it brought them a championship.

by Goldennugget on Jun 30, 2009 1:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Than, then, than, then, than, then. Come on Andrew get your than's and then's right will you? What is it with everyone getting their than's and then's mized up lately? I know it's only a little thing but it's driving me completely insane! Did the world leaders switch them or something?

by Jack on Jun 30, 2009 2:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Anthony Carter takes too much blame in my opinion. You look at the team we have: Melo, Martin, JR, C Billups, Nene - these guys set the tone for the team. AC is a role player, nothing more. Tell the big dogs to start taking over games rather than leaving the team's fate up to guys like Carter. I mean seriously - can you imagine a Jordan led team where people would be blaming a playoff defeat on the second string point guard?

by grantarchy on Jun 30, 2009 8:28 AM MDT reply actions  

Sign Carter, play him 10-15, not down the stretch. He is a good guy and a solid back-up and will help Chauncey tudor Lawson. Lawson will be good, he is an NC guy, has succeeded at every level and is a leader. All good.

by Pusherman on Jun 30, 2009 8:44 AM MDT reply actions  

What if we don't re-sign AC and Billups gets hurt for an extended period? Do any of you have an answer for that?

by MJKeenan on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM MDT reply actions  

@MJ - exactly! We need a veteran backup point guard because Chauncey is due for an injury this upcoming season. I can't see Billups playing in more than 70 games this next season.

@Grant - exactly, again! The Nuggets have so many fan favorites (Melo, JR Smith, Birdman, Billups, et al) someone has to be the whipping boy on this team to take the blame for tough losses and it falls on AC. Basketball doesn't have that single position to take the blame as other sports do (goalie, quarterback, pitcher). So the blame almost always goes to the role player that doesn't put up big stats, rather than blaming the superstar whose poster is hanging on your wall at home.

by Brian on Jun 30, 2009 10:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Anonymous- here's a good fake name for you to use: AmoGeorgeKarl

by Not anonymous? on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Goldennugget knows his Nugs. Really tough that people don't see the inadequacies of GK and AC. Did anyone see the way the team treated him in Game 5 and 6 of the WCF? It was a revolt, just like every other playoff series in GKs career as a Nug. The Nugs don't need a big name coach like Karl. They have their coach in CB. Why do you think the CB for AI trade was so successful? I've said it 20 times I bet, Nugs have needed a coach for years and they finally got one in Billups. Joelsopinion has it exactly right with the BB gun reference. The Nugs could sign a vet point guard for the league minimum that isn't so prone to turnovers and doesn't have his lips glued to Karl's ass.

Anyone see that the Nugs were trying to land Grant Hill? Probably a good move if they can land that stud big also.

by Gasus on Jun 30, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions  

If AC stays, they MUST have something in the contract that states "AC not allowed to throw an in-bounds pass at the end of any game, regardless how much the Nuggets are up."

by csprings_tommy on Jun 30, 2009 4:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Andrew Andrew Andrew...

I feel neglected...

Do I need to write War and Peace every post like Goldennugget to get in your Fave 5? I feel like D Wade... C'mon Chuck! LOL (yes that was a stab at GN, but you're in my "Stiff 5" as a poster GN... rather than a poser such as anonymous guy here.)

by Eric K on Jun 30, 2009 5:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Gasus brings up a good point. Why not let AC go and sign a different veteran PG? This eliminates the opportunity for Karl to blow us games and series by playing his but-buddy AC. This is a very good idea Gas.

As for Grant Hill, I really hope he doesn't sign with us actually. Yes, he would be a great addition to the team but we arn't going to win a title, and he deserves one. He would be perfect for the Cavs or Spurs.

Erik - Thank god I am in your Stiff 5, what a load off my shoulders! Holla at a playa when you seem him in the street!

by Goldennugget on Jun 30, 2009 7:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Hi Eric K -

How's this for a "political" answer? I was using the names that were vehemently anti-AC in the comments when I wrote my rebuttal, hence why I just grabbed a few. See, I'm getting good at this political stuff...

I trust you'll forgive my unacceptable oversight in time.

-A

by Andrew on Jun 30, 2009 9:08 PM MDT reply actions  

GN I am deep in the streetz! Holla!

Andy, you know I'm just trying to make this your most challenging day as a blogger. And yes, even if you pulled that notion out of your ass (or did a little research real quick), I have been an AC backer... *to a degree*. I would summarize my stance as "it's not AC's fault he was the inbounder" and "if used in the right scenarios, the guy can eat a lot of trash time effectively, or give some good breathers here and there"... but the problem is that he's been given waaay more than trash time minutes. He also gets bonus points for seemingly being a nice dude and a very team oriented guy. I like him overall, but hate the way Karl relied on him this past year. The issue is with Karl, not AC guys.

by Eric K on Jun 30, 2009 9:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Speaking of the streets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4298594

by Goldennugget on Jun 30, 2009 10:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Goldennugget,

You got it. I agree he deserves one and if the Nugs don't add a stud big they aren't going to have a chance next year. Kind of sad how all the perrenial contenders are making moves to pick up big name players but the Nuggets are forgeting to do it. Or at least not knowing what positions need the upgrades.

by Gasus on Jul 1, 2009 9:18 AM MDT reply actions  

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