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The Denver Stiffs reader wish list...

Pardon the tardy blogging. I've been busy getting organized now that the playoffs are over (for us), juggling a few projects and watching the Magic make a mockery of the NBA Finals. After watching the Magic lay over and die at Staples Center on Thursday night, I have a renewed respect and appreciation for what the Nuggets were able to do in that building just a few weeks ago. The Nuggets may have lost their mental edge in two of three Staples Center games, but they never played like cowards and made the Lakers work on almost every possession.

But we're not here to dwell about the past, but rather look towards the future.

Part of being a good sports blogger (something I'm still working on) is knowing what your readers want to discuss. After posting my column on Linas Kleiza on Wednesday and seeing the comments that followed from that and Monday's column, it's become clear to me that my fellow Stiffs are more interested in who the Nuggets might acquire than re-signing their own players right now. So before we tackle the other Nuggets free agents - Chris Andersen, Dahntay Jones and Anthony Carter - let's dive into the Denver Stiffs reader wish list, in order of the (approximately) most discussed names to the least discussed...

RASHEED WALLACE

The Good: First suggested by Denver Stiffs reader "ACE III", bringing Wallace to Denver has picked up a lot of steam on this blog throughout the week. For starters, he's a solid 6'11", has a championship ring and has years and years of playoff experience playing alongside the Nuggets own Chauncey Billups. Wallace is also a tough, gritty defender who guarantees you about seven rebounds and one block per game. And with the ability to shoot three-pointers, he extends the floor in a way that Kenyon Martin and Nene cannot.

The Bad: Where do we start? First, because he knows he can shoot from the outside he does so way too often for a guy his size. Since joining the Pistons in 2004, 'Sheed has never shot better than 44% from the field. That's unacceptable for a center/power forward. Second, the reason he has years and years of playoff experience is because he's old. Before the 2009-10 season begins, 'Sheed will be 35 years old. Third, even though you always hear that 'Sheed is "a great locker room" guy, the bottom line is that he's a high maintenance individual who draws technical fouls with such regularity that he makes K-Mart look like a saint. With 'Sheed on board, the technical-prone Nuggets would guarantee their opponent about four free points per game off technical fouls alone.

The How: In order to acquire Wallace via free agency the Nuggets would have to sign him at the expense of re-signing Andersen and Dahntay Jones. When reading through all these various scenarios, keep in mind that re-signing Andersen - because he's coming off a one-year deal - is the equivalent of signing a free agent off the street cap-wise. In other words, if the Nuggets use up their mid-level exception money to secure the Birdman, the only way to also acquire Wallace would be a sign-and-trade with the Pistons that uses up the Nuggets trade exception money. In the bad open market to come, my hunch is 'Sheed (who made $13.7 million last season!) will garner at least $6 million per season for three seasons, although he'll ask for a lot more. 'Sheed's age and history of on- and off-the-court issues should keep his price range in check.

The Verdict: Even IF the Nuggets could somehow get 'Sheed cheap in a sign-and-trade and keep Andersen, I don't believe acquiring 'Sheed is worth the risk. And monetarily, I don't see how this could get done. Assuming Andersen took a $4 million annual salary and the Nuggets brought 'Sheed in at $6 million and the Nuggets didn't re-sign Kleiza or Jones, they'd be $13 million over the tax threshold (meaning Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke would have to cough up $26 million on top of his other losses, approximately where they were at the end of the 2007-08). Moreover, knowing this could be his last contract, 'Sheed will be looking for a minimum of a three-year deal. Meaning that the Nuggets would be on the hook to pay a 38-year-old 'Sheed beyond K-Mart and Chauncey's time in Denver.

Even though Andersen's star may have dimmed a bit against the Lakers, I'd rather have the Birdman back for about $4 million per season and swing another deal to get a big man than see the Nuggets sign 'Sheed to a $6+ million annual contract.

SHAQUILLE O'NEAL

The Good: Shaq's name was first thrown into the Denver Stiffs hat by longtime reader "KarlSucks" and has been discussed quite a bit since then. The reasons for bringing in Shaq are obvious: he's coming off his best season in four years, remains an imposing center (something the Nuggets don't have) that would allow Nene to move to his natural position of power forward and wants nothing more than to knock out the Lakers in the postseason before calling it a career. If healthy, a frontline of Shaq, Nene and Carmelo Anthony could be the NBA's best.

The Bad: Already 37 years old, in 2008-09 Shaq maintained his streak of consecutive seasons played without appearing in all 82 games at 18. And by the way, that's how many seasons he's played in the NBA. Shaq's also really expensive ($20 million owed to him for 2009-10) and is as high maintenance as they come. The Suns mortgaged their future to acquire Shaq and go for a ring when Shaq was two years younger than he is now. Their reward? One first round exit, one postseason absence and no cap flexibility.

The How: As mentioned in my "5 Questions for the Offseason" post, the only way to acquire Shaq directly from Phoenix would be if the Suns sent Shaq plus Jason Richardson to Denver for K-Mart's awful contract plus two or three more Nuggets contracts (likely Steven Hunter, a re-signed Kleiza and even a re-signed Johan Petro) just to get the Nuggets within the $10 million trade exception that the Nuggets possess from last summer's Marcus Camby trade. Richardson would have to be included because otherwise the Suns would have no incentive to acquire K-Mart other than to ditch Richardson's onerous deal. And even after all that, the Nuggets would be looking at being $15 million over the tax threshold, would have no Chris Andersen and with Richardson they'd have a player fighting for playing time with J.R. Smith. Not a good idea.

The Verdict: Unless there's a three-team deal out there I'm not seeing, can you say "no chance"? I like Shaq. I like his personality. I like what he does for the community. I like that he takes young players under his wing. And so on. But I don't like the Nuggets mortgaging their future just to make a deal of this magnitude work. If you could trade K-Mart and Hunter straight up for Shaq, you'd give this serious consideration. But even though Suns GM Steve Kerr has made an assortment of bad decisions, I don't see him being dumb enough to acquire K-Mart without parting with Richardson.

CHRIS KAMAN

The Good: Also first suggested by "KarlSucks", Kaman on paper is what the Nuggets could really use: he's a legitimate seven-footer, he's only 27 years old, and he can score around the basket while blocking 1.5 shots per game. Kaman is also on my "All Shoulder Hair" team alongside Rudy Fernandez and Nuggets shoulder hair legend, Danny Schayes. Before getting hurt in 2008, Kaman was being talked about as a potential All-Star and averaged 15.7 ppg, 12.7 rpg and 2.8 bpg that season.

The Bad: Kaman can't stay healthy and picks up quick fouls. In the second year of a lucrative five year contract, Kaman appeared in just 31 games, although he was reasonably productive when he played. In the season before, his best statistically, Kaman played in just 56 games.

The How: A lot of readers have jumped on "KarlSucks" suggestion of acquiring Kaman and have assumed the Nuggets could get Kaman by dealing K-Mart. Not so fast. To make a trade in the NBA, the salary you take back must be within 125% plus $100,000 of the traded salary. So for the Clippers to take on K-Mart's $15.4 million salary next season, they'd need to part with Kaman's 2009-10 salary of $10.4 million plus either Ricky Davis' $2.5 million or Mardy Collins' $1.8 million salary to get close enough to K-Mart's deal. The other route to acquiring Kaman would be to part with Nene as their salaries better match up, but I think most Nuggets fans would prefer Nene over Kaman.

The Verdict: If I were the Nuggets, I'd try to acquire Kaman in exchange for Martin in a heart beat. But in spite of the stupidity of their recent dealings (notably acquiring Zach Randolph at an average of $16.7 million per season over the next two seasons) and with the likelihood of them drafting Blake Griffin in July's NBA Draft, there's no way the Clippers bring on another power forward, even if they're hell bent on parting with Kaman's contract. With the Clippers likely to trade Marcus Camby (who's in the final year of his deal) at some point next season for future assets, Kaman will become their only viable center.

RON ARTEST

The Good: "Agent Fisher" gets credit for bringing up Ron Ron as does The Denver Post's Mark Kiszla. We all know the obvious positives with Artest: he's a tough, tenacious defender who can capably guard three positions on the opposing team - shooting guard, small forward and power forward. A huge plus for me regarding Artest is that he could fill in for Dahntay and Kleiza by himself.

The Bad: The Nuggets tried to acquire Artest from the Kings in 2008 in exchange for Eduardo Najera and Kleiza, but head coach George Karl allegedly shot it down as he didn't want another potentially difficult personality in the locker room. Of more concern to me than Artest's personality is his shooting percentage. Artest shot a pathetic 40.1% from the field last season and is a career 42.2% shooter. And those percentages don't keep from shooting, either.

The How: Coming off the final year of his contract in which he made $8.5 million last season, Artest is an unrestricted free agent. Therefore, in order to acquire Artest the Nuggets would be faced with the same scenario as possibly acquiring Rasheed Wallace: they'd either have to sign Artest at the expense of re-signing Andersen or do a sign-and-trade with Houston to acquire Artest while using up much of their trade exception money to make it work. Unlike the 'Sheed scenario, since Artest isn't a center the Nuggets would have to re-sign Andersen and do the sign-and-trade for Artest, sending them deep into luxury tax hell.

The Verdict: All NBA fans are familiar with Artest's checkered past on- and off-the-court and his penchant for getting kicked out of games. But when he's with it mentally, there may not be a better free agent to be had this summer. That being said, the actual costs of acquiring Artest combined with his poor shooting make me too squeamish to get behind this deal. Even if the Nuggets could get Artest at, say, $5 million per season while keeping Andersen at $4 million per, they're looking at an $81 million payroll ($12 million over the tax threshold).

ANDREW BYNUM

The Good: "Kyle Scott" gets his name in print here for suggesting Bynum last Monday (see, I do read every comment!). The best thing about Bynum is that he's tall (a legit 7'0") and young (turning 22 in October). And you can't coach height and age. I also believe Bynum can be a real contributor in spite of his sub-par efforts since returning from a second knee injury this season and, if acquired, gives the Nuggets a formidable low-post presence for at least 10 years.

The Bad: Beyond being known to check out of games for long stretches, Bynum's contract can be a bit daunting to look at. He's owed $15 million for the 2011-2012 season with a team option for north of $16 million the season after that.

The How: Even though he's been in Phil Jackson's dog house for much of the postseason (although it's tough to say for sure if Bynum is on the outs with Phil for if he's just hurt still), the Lakers won't part with Bynum unless they get something substantial in return. One possibility would be Nene, whose contract matches up with Bynum's, plus another small contract to make the numbers fit. But if the Nuggets were to send Nene directly to the Lakers for Bynum, the Lakers would remain just as good - if not better - than they already are. However, if Bynum has indeed fallen out of favor with Jackson and the Lakers priority were to re-sign Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza, perhaps a three-team deal could work whereby the Nuggets would send Nene to the Cavaliers, the Cavaliers would send Ben Wallace's expiring contract to the Lakers and the Nuggets would take Bynum.

The Verdict: With the amount of time and money already invested in Bynum, and given his age and height, I don't see the Lakers parting with him...especially to a direct conference rival like the Nuggets. But if the Nuggets could somehow trade Nene for Bynum by way of Cleveland, I'd do it.

MARC GASOL

The Good:
Suggested by Denver Stiffs reader "CB" (I'm assuming he's not Chauncey Billups undercover), bringing in Pau's brother to give the Nuggets some toughness inside for next year's conference finals isn't a bad idea. At about $3.4 million per season over the next two, Marc is a bargain for a guy who's going to be a 10-10 producer next season.

The Bad: Because Marc is such a bargain and the Grizzlies are insistent on staying well below the cap while remaining somewhat respectable, why in the world would the Grizzlies ship him to Denver?

The How: The only way the Nuggets could pry the younger Gasol away from the Grizzlies would be to take back Marco "Hot Wife, Horrible Contract" Jaric in the deal. And again, Nene would have to be the bait on this one as he'd in theory fit with whatever the Grizzlies plans are for the future. With Jaric owed $7.1 and $7.6 million over the next two seasons (he must have the best agent in the world in addition to having the best wingman) combined with Marc's reasonable salary, the numbers would match up.

The Verdict: To make this deal happen, you'd basically be sending Nene out-of-town for Marc Gasol while being hamstrung by Jaric's contract for two consecutive seasons. We don't need a true seven-footer that badly.

CHRIS WILCOX

The Good: "ICEMAN" threw out Wilcox's name the other day noting that he's an unrestricted free agent. When healthy and not getting arrested on concealed weapon charges, Wilcox is a gritty 6'10" inside force capable of double-digit scoring, eight plus rebounds and unlike Wallace, he shoots within his range and has a career 52.7 field goal shooting percentage.

The Bad: With the exception of a two-and-a-half year run with the Sonics during which he put up solid numbers, Wilcox has been the odd man out at most of his stops in the NBA, his minutes have been spotty and he hasn't produced consistently. Whether this is the result of a lack of motivation, size at the center spot, injuries or something else we just don't know.

The How: Like Wallace and Artest mentioned above, acquiring Wilcox could be done through free agency (meaning Birdman wouldn't be re-signed) or through a sign-and-trade with the Knicks. Wilcox will probably command about $5 million per season on the open market.

The Verdict: Wilcox's toughness and ability to finish around the basket would be welcomed in Denver. Moreover, he'd be a great insurance policy to the oft-injured K-Mart and Nene. But at 6'10", he's not a true center which is what the Nuggets really need. If over the summer the Nuggets strike out in their attempt at grabbing a true center but can get somehow acquire Wilcox instead, he'd make one heck of a consolation prize.

ANDREW BOGUT

The Good: Also suggested by "CB" (he gets extra credit), Bogut is one of the few true centers on the Denver Stiffs reader wish list. Not only is Bogut a legit seven-footer, but he's not afraid to mix it up inside, can finish around the rim, is a decent rebounder and shot blocker and will be 25 this November.

The Bad: Bogut appeared in just 36 total games due to an assortment of injuries, notably back problems which never seem to go away. Secondarily, while his contract isn't unreasonable for the next two seasons, he's due to be paid $14.2 million in 2013-14. If he can't stay healthy, that could be a hurtful salary number.

The How: I hate to keep throwing his name out here on these, but again, Nene would be the best trade bait for Bogut. Concerned with Bogut's health and contract, the Bucks might be motivated to jettison their young center for Nene, whose contract ends two full seasons before Bogut's does. And with the exception of last season, Nene hasn't exactly been a hallmark of good health, either.

The Verdict: Of all the names thrown into the hat by the great readers of this blog, acquiring Bogut might make the most sense. A Nene-for-Bogut swap enables the Nuggets to keep their other plans in-tact, such as re-signing Birdman, securing Kleiza for the qualifying offer and plucking another "scrap heap" guy over the summer a la Dahntay from last summer, while giving them an upgrade at center. After all that Nene has been through and all that he's done for the Nuggets recently and vice versa, you hate to see him go. But sometimes winning a championship means parting with those you love and this deal - while certainly not a slam dunk - would have to be seriously considered.

In summary, after thoroughly reviewing your wish list above, it makes me even angrier that the Lakers were able to fleece the Grizzlies for Pau Gasol last year. By handing over the elder Gasol to the Lakers for as little as possible, the Grizzlies turned an almost 60-win team into a perennial 60+ win team. Simply put, there's not much the Nuggets can prudently do in the offseason to overtake the Lakers without gouging themselves with the luxury tax. That said, as noted above there are several possible moves the Nuggets could make to secure their position as the second best team in the conference. And as we just witnessed in both conference finals, if you can get that far, anything can happen.

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I dont know the specifics on how to make this work but has anyone considered letting LK go and getting Shawn Marion? Just throwing it out there, please put it in realistic terms.

by Distortedman on Jun 5, 2009 11:35 PM MDT reply actions  

I have read these wish list signings too, and let me just say it's important to understand the financial situation of the team right now. The Nuggets won't be a big player in free agency this year. Here's what they are working with - MLE or sign and trade plus TPE. Read up on Base Year Compensation and you'll see why the Nugs have no ability to sign a major free agent. Forget about Sheed, Artest, Shaq, David Lee and probably Sessions and Felton as well. As it stands, they will pay luxury tax to resign Bird with the MLE. That leaves even using the trade exception a huge question mark.

In addition, nobody wants to trade for K-Mart. If they did, he'd have been gone in last years salary dump instead of the deserving Marcus Camby whose talent at least existed in the same stratosphere as his pay. You have to listen to offers, but every other team will view him as an injury risk and unreasonable contract. He has more value as a player now as he did contribute to the defensive turnaround in a big way. It's highly unlikely anyone gets fooled into absorbing his deal with a big player option at the end, just accept that.

Third, trading Nene is idiotic. He's coming off a career year and looking at maybe the brightest future of any Nuggets big man since they foolishly let Mutombo go. If you think we should trade Nene for Sheed, just quit life. There's no hope for you anyways.

The Nugs have a good chance to improve with their current roster. They are relatively young and Chauncey didn't even have a whole year of running the show. Realistically, they resign key guys and look for some under the radar role players to get the over the top. Think guys within reach like Jeff Foster and Wilcox. Fantasizing about a big free agent discredits this teams success and is just that, a pipe dream. Remember, the Nugs are already essentially luxury tax payers.

by runningdonut on Jun 6, 2009 3:33 AM MDT reply actions  

I think it's obvious to most everyone, that having a reliable center (who is big, can defend the post, get some rebounds, and provide at least a little offense) would be the most effective addition for the Nuggets.

I tend to agree with runningdonut, in that trading Nene would be foolish, and I would love to see him at his natural position with another big man. Also, I think it is clear that any trade involving Martin should be seriously explored, but it is unlikely anyone would bite. His contract will probably be an albatross for the team until it ends.

With all of that, I can't really come up with any off season scenario that makes a lot of sense. I think a lot of people are forgetting that we already have two 7' players that are never used (though I believe Petro is a FA, so he probably won't be back). Before we get too carried away, a healthy Hunter should either be traded, or worked into a possible rotation with Nene, Martin, (hopefully) Andersen, and the mystery savior at center. That might be hard to do.

I will also mention one person that wasn't covered by Andrew, and that's Gortat. He wouldn't be my first choice, but actual centers are few and far between. He will almost definitely be leaving Orlando this year, he's young, and could possibly break out with some minutes not behind the best center in basketball.

by Cessair on Jun 6, 2009 4:41 AM MDT reply actions  

I really like the idea of Shaquille O'Neal. Although the chances of getting him are very slim. Age does not really matter with Shaq, he's still big, right? And it doesn't really matter how skilled or tall you are, it's hard to score on a wall of muscle/fat.

Think about it, with Shaq and in the scenario that we do not lose any of the current big men, the Nuggets will have an extremely strong big man pack. I mean, Birdman as a 3rd rotation centre???

In my humble opinion on our current roster the expendables are - Kleiza, Jones, Martin (If we get Shaq), Balkman (Shoot me), Carter, Hunter, Hart.

We also have that 2nd round pick as well, which nobody is talking about :D

by Anonymous on Jun 6, 2009 5:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Andrew. Nice post.
Going through all the options was sweet. The way I see it is that if the nuggets pick up anyone of those guys we are going to the finals. For the right price.

PS. Andrew we forgive you for not posting in ages.

by Agent Fisher on Jun 6, 2009 8:38 AM MDT reply actions  

How about Nene straight up for Andris Biedrins?

Also, " I would love to see him at his natural position with another big man" made me spit up my coffee as I laughed.

by Anonymous on Jun 6, 2009 8:48 AM MDT reply actions  

Fantastic, very detailed post.

The big question, which no one but the owner knows, is if the owner is willing to go back into the luxury tax. If he is, the chances of adding a center are very good. If not, as Andrew details, making a trade will be tough.

I think there are a lot of teams looking to dump salary, both for luxury tax purposes, and to get under the cap for 2010. Look at the Camby and Gasol trades - that is the type of trade that Denver could make. And, although the trade might not make sense to us, it only has to make sense to the other teams G.M. I think a package of the trade exemption and Kleiza or Birdman would be very attractive to a lot of teams. If the owner is willing to spend the money, that package could add a starting center without losing Nene or Kmart.

Also, I think the KMart for Shaq trade could (emphasize could) happen without including Richardson. With Phoenix going back to it's fast break offense, I could see them concluding that Kmart is a better fit than Shaq, is younger, and would help replace Marion.

by KarlSucks on Jun 6, 2009 10:22 AM MDT reply actions  

There was no mention of CHanning Frye. He's a developing poor mans Rasheed Wallace. The only diffrence he will go inside. He will be a casualty of Portland's future cap need. Perfect Fit

by Anonymous on Jun 6, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

OK, let’s settle one thing. Enough with the Rasheed talk. Seriously, I don’t want to hear another word. I can’t believe I have to do this but there are enough people posting about getting Rasheed I feel I have to. Here are the stats that prove he is over the hill and done. FG has declined from career 47% to 41%, orpg, the effort stat for those of you somewhat knowledgeable, went from 1.5 to .8. I don’t know how else to say he’s decrepit, history, a T magnet, and a chronic whiner. There’s a reason he was sold for 12 cents on the dollar to the Hawks back in ’04 (when he was in his prime, btw).
Let’s see, he was born in 1974. Most of you, even his proponents, should be able to do the math. His best case scenario is spot minutes as a Robert Horry clone on a contender. You don’t pay more than 5 mil a year for such a guy. Even so I wouldn’t do that as a GM. Oh yeah, the guy has never hit a clutch shoe in his life, HIS LIFE!! I shouldn’t have to make this argument to anyone who watched him this year. He clearly gave up on his team. OK, so we’re done right, no more of this nonsense that he is the key missing ingredient. We need youth and effort, not geriatric black holes. If there is anyone we want from the Pistons it should be McDyess. He was the only one who gave any kind of effort in the playoffs. We are already paying him anyway.

by NugzD on Jun 6, 2009 1:06 PM MDT reply actions  

I doubt Phoenix would throw J-Rich in a deal with Shaq, more likely I could see the Nugs sending the Suns a package of K-Mart and LK for Shaq.

by Anonymous on Jun 6, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions  

I think it would somewhat funny if Shaq came to Denver, but we all know Shaq will do anything to get in the way of Kobe and the Lakers and so far, the Nuggets are the legit team to get in their way. Even though hes older, I could see him helping. Your talking pistons, why don't we just go for rip and prince wile were at it. No former pistons are coming here.

by Tru Fan Colorado on Jun 6, 2009 1:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Getting Rip Hamilton would be good too. With Rip we would have a good SG who is familiar with CB7, plays defense and would still have JR as a sixth man, its probably not possible considering he signed an extension with the pistons recently. At least dreams are free.

by Distortedman on Jun 6, 2009 5:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Here's a crazy idea...
Sign Boozer then play him at Small Forward and put Melo at Shooting guard... Its crazy but imagine the mismatches this would cause with just about every other team. Dreams are free, but luxury tax is not.

by Anonymous on Jun 6, 2009 6:03 PM MDT reply actions  

HEY lets throw another dream out there where Lebron comes to the nuggets, and they win it all for years to come. By the way iceman and agent fisher are the same guy, So can I get some extra credit?

by Agent Fisher on Jun 7, 2009 7:36 AM MDT reply actions  

After reading this post, and considering the options. I just don't see the Nuggets being able to really land any "true" center that would be an upgrade without significantly hurting our team or going into luxury tax territory, which I don't think Kroenke, fairly, doesn't want to do. Our best bet, I think, is to keep the team relatively intact, and cross our fingers.

Best case scenario is that Hunter gives us some quality minutes and rebounds from surgery and we get to the WCF again with the Lakers.

Remember, we had our chances against the Lakers this year and came pretty close to winning that series. If we can bring the same team in next year, we'll have another shot. Sure, another big man would really help, but I am fairly convinced we just don't have the pieces to get one, and none of those options presented seem to me like an answer.

Nugs need to focus on resigning the guys we have, letting a few walk, and strengthening our backup PG, which is one thing we CAN do given our resources.

by Denverson on Jun 7, 2009 1:53 PM MDT reply actions  

That was a great post but after reading it I don't feel as optomistic as I did before. If we just had some money this would all be so easy. From the looks of it we might be sticking with the same lineup, which isn't a bad thing obviously, it's just that one more piece would really put us a top the confrence for sure. Lakers are going to be deadly next year though too, and if we don't make a move there is no way we get past them unless Phil retires. Firing Karl would definatly help our chances too.

by Goldennugget on Jun 7, 2009 5:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I've posted this before: Bring back Iverson, but bring him off the bench. Now you have a bench unit with 2 20 point scorers. Your bench is athletic and if a starter goes down he can be inserted in because he knows Karl's offense. I would also consider bringing in Rasheed to play backup PF/C.

by Anonymous on Jun 7, 2009 8:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the extra CREDIT. I think Marc or Bogut would be a steal. It would be hilarious if the Griz just gave him away...I believe he will be just as good.

I do think it would have to be a give and take deal, and exchange for Nene. I like Nene but without a sacrifice as you said it likely won't happen.

I am optimistic that the Nuggets will do something creative to put this team in contention. It is in the past they were way over tax value and not the production...now that they made a statement I feel better about our chances of keeping what works and building on that.

It is all about getting the advantage over the Lakers next season, what was missing this year that didn't give us the edge?....if we don't get over that hump then we will find ourselves in the same boat..considering that we can repeat this awesome season...which I think we are in a great place to do so if we keep Birdman.

Great post.

CB (don't worry it is not Chauncey undercover)

by Anonymous on Jun 7, 2009 9:52 PM MDT reply actions  

OK, don't barf on this but why not Stephan Marbury for a backup to Chauncy? He certainly has the skills and experience and wants to win a ring. And he's a free agent.

by My3Cents on Jun 7, 2009 10:01 PM MDT reply actions  

So Andrew,

Here is the suggestion. We have a "Shoulda GM'ed" competition here on the site. Everyone gets to make their trade suggestions and at the end of the day you pick the top couple and put them up for display. Rules are simple, it simply has to work with the NBA trade rules outlined earlier.

Later, when Warkentien and Chapman are reading this blog together as part of their mandatory morning research they can get a couple good suggestions.

by NugzD on Jun 8, 2009 8:58 AM MDT reply actions  

how about sam dalembert and willie green or reggie evens for k-mart? dalembert wouldn't have to score. but with the right mindset he's a great rebounder and shot blocker....

by MZG on Jun 8, 2009 9:30 AM MDT reply actions  

Two words, Marcin Gortat. Under the radar and the dude can play.

by Pusherman on Jun 8, 2009 9:33 AM MDT reply actions  

None of the above.

by Anonymous on Jun 8, 2009 9:40 AM MDT reply actions  

What about Marcin Gortat? He's a true center and has the size and rebounding ability that the nuggets need. Additionally, he blocks shots at a high rate, and should be available at a decent price because he just picks up the minutes left over when Dwight Howard takes a seat. Only concern I would have with him is that you don't know how he would respond if he saw a jump in minutes, but he looks pretty good when I've seen him play and could be a viable center coming off the bench that allows Nene some time at the 4 during every game.

I think Nene's injuries may be a thing of the past. For his first several years he always went back to Brazil for the summer and came back out of shape. This past summer he spent a lot of time in the gym and came back in top physical form and was able to be both productive and healthy. Considering that he just got married to a local (ft collins) girl, there's a good chance he stays in Colorado again this summer and should hopefully return in good shape again.

Nene could be an absolute beast at the 4. He'd be one of the bigger 4's in the league and wouldn't be subjected to the night in night out beatings from opposing centers. Gortat would allow him time at the 4, plus having a rotation of Gortat, Nene, Kmart, and Bird would give Karl a lot of options every night and could keep the minutes of all of those guys fairly low and make them very productive minutes by all of them. Additionally, they would be fresh come playoff time and if any of the bigs did go down with an injury we would still have 3 guys who could play big, productive minutes.

Gortat also allows us a lot more flexibility with our rotations. Against big teams (i.e. the lakers), we could go big with Gortat at the 5 and Nene at the 4. Against teams with perimeter oriented 4's (i.e. Orlando) we could have Gortat or Nene at 5 with Kmart at the 4 spot. Bird comes off the bench as an energy guy and we have 2 other guys who could cover Gasol (something Bird does not seem capable of doing).

How: Gortat will be a restricted free agent this summer, but with Orlando already being in luxury tax territory and looking to resign Turkoglu, it's doubtful they would match any offer that's greater than the qualifying offer. I believe the nuggets have Andersen's Bird rights (no pun intended), and I believe that means they can resign him without using the MLE. They could resign Bird for ~$4M (if another team doesn't come in with a ridiculous offer), then use the MLE to acquire Gortat. Then they let Kleiza walk and resign DJones for a little more than the minimum. In that way they are only in the tax for about $6M-8M which would be far better than if they went after a bigger name player.

by Chris on Jun 8, 2009 12:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Re: Gortat, the rumor on Gortat is that the Knicks will offer him their MLE. If the nuggets sign Anderson, that counts toward their MLE, so the only way to get Gortat would be to use the trade excemption in a sign and trade.

Also, don't know how we overlooked, but N.O. is looking to dump Tyson Chandler.

by KarlSucks on Jun 8, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Karlsucks, I've read that, but I've also heard that is totally dependent on them moving David Lee. I doubt they let Lee walk for nothing and they can't keep both or their hopes of getting Lebron are as good as gone, especially since the cap will go down next year

by Chris on Jun 8, 2009 1:05 PM MDT reply actions  

HOW ABOUT Amar'e Stoudemire!!!!!!!
NORTIO

by Anonymous on Jun 8, 2009 1:27 PM MDT reply actions  

This post and sight are like 10 women at the firing range. Practically everybody on here follows this Andrew guy's opinions. It is pretty laughable really. Shaq would be a complete joke in Denver. The Nuggets would have to throw out their entire team practically to get him. 20 million is equal to Nene and Billups and that is what Phoenix would be looking for if they were to get rid of Shaq. Rasheed Wallace is by far the best big that is a free agent and he would fit best on the Nuggets. Nene is a glaring hole for the Nuggets against the top teams in the West. Houston or LA will handle Denver easily if they don't pick up a stud center. Wallace had a bad year last year because he was on an awful team that he no longer cares about. He loves CB and was really pissed when Detroit let him go. He is still great and has plenty left in the tank. If is wasn't for the bad impression he gives with his firey attitude all fans would recognize him as one of the 50 best front court players of all time. Wallace is way more effective than Duncan at this time and there is no reason he can't continue being effective through age 37. Kaman would be a scary trade for Nene because no one seems sure whether he will return to his form he had back when he kicked the Nuggets asses in the playoffs a couple years ago. I would probably rather see Kaman in Denver than Nene however. Bynum would be great and may be attainable this offseason as there really isn't much room for him in LA. Pao is a center and that is where he is most effective. Bynum doesn't really provide much for them beacause he takes away touches for the more effective Gasol. Of all the bigs in the NBA that may be attainable Andrew Bynum would be the best fit in Denver. He would give them sorely needed rebounding and an inside presense in the half court offense. The rest of the no names mentioned by Andrew aren't even worth talking about as there is no chance they will help the Nuggets go up against the front lines of Houston and LA. I'd rather see the Nuggets continue to go small and we all carry on our pipe dreams of seeing the Nuggets hang a championship banner in the rafters of the Pepsi Center than bring in any of the other stiffs mentioned in this post. BTW: Tyson Chandler is a bum and has a real bad injury that will never allow him to be what he was. Look what the Nuggets tiny front line did against him and the pathetic David West in round one.

by Gasus on Jun 8, 2009 4:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Gasus,

I don't normally do this, but you have inspired me. First, the long time followers of this site have a high level of respect for Andrew's work and opinions because of the tremendous amount of work and research he has put into this as well as a obvious, extended loyalty to the Nuggets.

The other reason we appreciate this site is that it rarely endorses stupid moves. An example would be getting Rasheed. A lot of unintelligent suggestions have been made in the last couple days, but most of them prove their own ignorance of the NBA with their very suggestion. I would say you seem to have a decent knowledge of the NBA, as such I am surprised by your suggestions of Rasheed and Bynum. The Lakers are not going to release Bynum until he's older and proven he is unready for the big-time, if that were to happen. In the NBA no one gives away young, athletic, 7-1 centers with clear potential. Bynum is a major part of the reason the Lakers are doing well this year. Remember the twin towers in SA when Robinson played with Duncan. Remember the championship? The Lakers will not part with Bynum.

Secondly, you're still at it with Rasheed? Here's what I want you to do. Go to Rahseed's stats page on NBA.com and look at his stats. Look at how long he has been in the league. Look at his offensive rebounds. Look at how low his stats were from last year. Most importantly look at the zero free throws he took in the playoffs this year. Zero, it bears repeating. He quit on his team, again.

Oh, one final question. How has going small worked out for a championship? How has it worked out for Golden State, New York, and Phoenix. Any coincidence that the two teams in the finals have great big men?

by NugzD on Jun 8, 2009 5:31 PM MDT reply actions  

I am amazed that anyone thinks the Lakers are moving Bynum. I don't see that happening. Not a chance. And to Denver? Lets bring things back to reality a little bit, please.

by Denverson on Jun 8, 2009 11:49 PM MDT reply actions  

NugzD,

I was trying to say that none of the recommendations would make any sense other than Rasheed Wallace and Andrew Bynum. I would have to disagree with you in what you are saying about stats and age. Wallace is an extremely rare talent and talent like that doesn't just evaporate because you turned 34, look at his style of play. He would stretch the floor on offense causing one of the Lakers's bigs to guard him on the perimeter allowing Melo, JR, and Billups a much better chance to attack the basket. Do you realize that this is the biggest reason the Nuggets lost to the Lakers? Also, he brings inside defense that Nene sorely lacks. Wallace can single cover a guy like Gasol and allow the Nuggets to give more attention to Kobe and the supporting players.

Andrew Bynum may be attainable due to the salary situation in LA. Gasol may go down as one of the best centers ever to play the game and Odom is by far the third most significant player to making the Lakers win. Bynum doesn't really fit in LA and Nene would due to his versatility in playing power forward and center. The Lakers may end up letting Odom go which would be a mistake that would make getting Wallace even more attractive.

Also, I was saying the Nuggets need a stud center. That is what the whole comment was about. I was just saying that I would rather see the Nuggets go with the small lineup they used this year than to sign one of the stiffs Andrew recommended in his post.

Side note: Memet Okur is still deciding whether or not he will take his player option for this year with the Jazz. If he does not, he would be a better fit for the Nuggets than Nene as well. Once again, he would spread the floor on offense and he can bang inside with the big boys on defense.

by Gasus on Jun 9, 2009 11:59 AM MDT reply actions  

ummm why dont we try and trade for tyson chandler who is a legit 7 footer a shot blocker and rebounder

by Anonymous on Jun 27, 2009 8:39 AM MDT reply actions  

what about ANDERSON VAREJAO...people are forgetting he is 6-11 and plays d and hes a true center

by Anonymous on Jun 30, 2009 9:41 AM MDT reply actions  

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