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2009 NBA Draft Preview: Who will be the next Denver Stiff? (Part 2 of 2)...

Now that we've set forth the rules for drafting in the second round, let's consider who the Nuggets should/could actually pick up on Thursday night. What makes the Nuggets pick - 34th overall - so intriguing is that they're in position to pick up a first round caliber player, a la a Mario Chalmers from last year or a Glen Davis from 2007.

This happens for a couple reasons. First, a lot of teams that draft late in the first round purposely select foreign players they know won't be eligible to play in the NBA immediately - i.e. so they don't have a first round salary on the books for the coming season. And second, teams drafting late in the first round have the same propensity to gamble on high risk, often no reward prospects as teams drafting in the second round. So you see a lot of unknown foreigners or big men with "tremendous upside if he puts in the work" taken late who never materialize into decent pros.

Therefore, the draftees who get the shaft and get sent to the second round tend to be the "tweeners", "hybrid guards" and "one-dimensional" shooting guards we discussed in Part 1 of this Draft Preview. If you'll pardon the Nuggets-related pun, could there be gold to be had in the second round if mined properly? According to the various mock drafts out there, the answer is yes. So let's first look at who the Nuggets themselves have been working out and then - after reviewing the mock draft forecasts, the rules for drafting in the second round and looking at the Nuggets needs - we'll make some predictions and recommendations (assuming the Nuggets don't trade the pick)...

According to HoopsWorld.com and NBA.com, the Nuggets - along with a host of other NBA teams - worked out 21 college and foreign players from June 1-3 in Oakland. Among those who worked out for the Nuggets, the following players of note could be available when the Nuggets draft 34th on Thursday night (note that when I say "could be available," I'm basing this off of the mock drafts according to ESPN.com, DraftExpress.com, NBADraft.net and HoopsWorld.com)...

Nick Calathes - Guard, Florida
Omri Casspi - Forward, Maccabi Tel Aviv
Dionte Christmas - Shooting Guard, Temple
Darren Collison - Point Guard, UCLA
Wayne Ellington - Shooting Guard, UNC
Taj Gibson - Forward, Arizona
Eric Maynor - Point Guard, VCU
Patrick Mills - Point Guard, St. Mary's
A.J. Price - Point Guard, UConn
DaJuan Summers - Forward, Georgetown
Marcus Thornton - Shooting Guard, LSU

In addition to that select group of players, the Nuggets allegedly brought in an additional 15 players for a private workout in Colorado Springs last Friday and Saturday. (On a side note, kudos to fellow Nuggets blogger Roundball Mining Company for putting out the list and it deserves asking: why didn't The Denver Post publish this online? Unless the Post was sworn to secrecy by the Nuggets organization or published this list in their print edition only, this is unacceptable "coverage" of the Nuggets. I might have to - gulp - imitate a real journalist pretty soon if the Post continues to under perform with their Nuggets coverage.)

But of those 15 players recently worked out by the Nuggets, almost none are projected to be draft-worthy at all, with the following three exceptions...

Lester Hudson - Guard, Tennessee Martin
Curtis Jerrells - Point Guard, Baylor
A.J. Price - Point Guard, UConn

Now let's apply the rules for drafting in the second round, and see who the Nuggets should be considering...

Rule #1: Draft a guy who contributed to meaningful wins at a major college.

Almost all of the players in question fit this description, but certainly Collison, Ellington, Price and Summers would be at the top of the list in terms of having experienced big time, high pressure games on the grandest of stages and against the best possible competition short of the NBA or the Olympics. I'd throw in Mills, as well, who has had the invaluable experience of playing in the Olympics (more on that below).

Rule #2: If you're going to go international, make sure you've seen the player play in person.

Looking at the workouts only, it seems as though the current Nuggets brass may have learned from the mistakes of their predecessors and are staying away from international players who didn't play college basketball in the US. And having Casspi on the list above is a stretch as all the mock drafts have him going late in the first round and well ahead of 34.

Rule #3: Put a premium on work ethic and character.

I can't speak to this on any of the players above. But if the Nuggets are doing their homework right they're investigating each of their prospects work ethic and character thoroughly. This would include talking to former coaches, college teammates and opponents, family members and trying to gather as much information as possible about a player's character during the workouts themselves. The Nuggets have done a good job moving away from Jailblazers 2.0 and morphing into a team that the Denver community could proudly get behind. Whomever they draft on Thursday (again, if they actually draft) should continue that process of putting character and work ethic over raw talent. I don't want to see another player even close to resembling DerMarr Johnson in a Nuggets uniform ever again.

Before getting to my pick, let's do a quick overview of the Nuggets needs and the reality of this player getting into the rotation. Needs-wise, the Nuggets should be looking at backup point guards and backup power forwards. While it would be great to score a seven-footer in the second round, that's wholly unrealistic. Furthermore, Nuggets head coach George Karl rarely - if ever - plays late first round or second round rookies at all and especially if they're perceived as one-dimensional shooting guards (see Wafer, Von). So that probably eliminates players like Calathes, Ellington or Thornton being drafted by the Nuggets.

The only chance a new Nuggets draftee has of seeing some playing time under Karl is if he fills an actual need. So unless a "you'd be a moron not to draft this guy this late" like Tyler Hansbrough or Chase Budinger miraculously falls into the second round of the draft, the Nuggets should be all point guards all the time when pick #34 comes due.

According to the mock drafts I've been studying, the point guards shake out (on average) as follows in order beginning with the most preferred: Maynor, Collison, Mills and Price. According to Denver Stiffs rules for drafting in the second round, Maynor would actually be least favorable as he didn't play against premium competition in college. But since Maynor is universally projected to not be available by 34, this will likely be a moot point.

That leaves us with Collison, Mills and Price but like Maynor, Collison is almost universally projected not to be available. So between Mills and Price, who would you prefer to see in a Nuggets uniform in 2009-10? Even though I received an impassioned plea from Connecticut-based Denver Stiffs reader Andrew Porter (who writes the blog TheUConnBlog.com) on behalf of Price and Price was the only player to be worked out by the Nuggets twice this month, I like Mills. I know he's undersized by NBA standards and I must confess that I didn't see him play much at St. Mary's. But I did get to watch him play for his Australian national team against "The Redeem Team" in the Olympics last summer and was quite impressed. In their quarterfinals matchup, Mills put up 20 points going head-to-head with Jason Kidd (not saying much), Chris Paul (impressive) and Deron Williams (equally impressive). And supposedly he's been making waves at the pre-draft camps with his quickness and work ethic. Plus, this blog has a number of loyal readers from Australia who I know would be thrilled to have an Aussie playing NBA basketball in Denver.

Maybe the Nuggets will get lucky and find Collison - who shot a lot better than Mills in college and dished out more assists - on the board. But if Maynor and Collison are gone and Mills hasn't been selected, Denver Stiffs is endorsing Mills to be the Nuggets next backup point guard.

And now that I've done all this work, the Nuggets can trade the pick...

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thoughts on Jack McClinton or Danny Green Andrew?

by Anonymous on Jun 23, 2009 3:06 AM MDT reply actions  

I just don't see Karl playing any second round draft pick, even if it is a backup point guard. I would think our pick will play Jason Hart type role, final 2 minutes in a blowout, etc. Of course, injuries can always change that picture, but I just don't foresee this guy getting any playing time at all, regardless of who they are.

by Brian on Jun 23, 2009 9:18 AM MDT reply actions  

Patrick Mills would be a great pick. I think he has already earned the respect of a lot of the stars in the league and I'm sure Billups and Melo would welcome him to the Nuggets. I think he might be able to fit into the current team right away faster than some other players because of his familiarity to the players from the international competitions. But...I still don't think Karl would play him.

by Brian on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed. Patty Mills would be a great pick. He's an excellent player who would be a clear first-round pick were it not for a string of injuries last season. He had a terrific Olympics against Chris Paul and team USA. Furthermore, he would allow the Nuggets to rid themselves of the well-intentioned but ineffective Anthony Carter. Done and done. Except that the Nuggets never do anything right, except by accident (see Melo and Chauncey). Would love to see it happen, but it won't.

by Kieran on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Maynor would be nice IMO.

by Eric K on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions  

Hi Anonymous -

Thanks for following the blog. As I've mentioned previously, I'm no college basketball expert. But - if you'll let me play one on TV briefly - here are my thoughts on McClinton, Green and I'll throw in Jeff Pendergraph from ASU as another reader asked about him yesterday.

First - according to what I read online, the Nuggets didn't work any of these guys out. That in itself doesn't mean they wouldn't draft them, just makes it a bit more unlikely.

Regarding Green specifically, he's your classic "tweener" shooting guard/small forward that gets lost in George Karl's "system." Remember Julius Hodge, Von Wafer, DerMarr Johnson, Bobby Jones and now possibly Sonny Weems? This doesn't mean Green isn't better than any of those guys or that Weems won't pan out, it just means that Karl doesn't even give them a fighting chance so what's the point? Although, being a Carolina guy would at least give Green a shot at some PT under Karl.

The little I know about McClinton is that he could be an Aaron Brooks-type guard. Undersized but quick, and a streaky 3-point shooter. And by playing in the Big East, he's gone head-to-head against the best. Hoopsworld has him being drafted 30th, DraftExpress 43rd, ESPN.com 52nd and NBADraft.net not at all. I wouldn't mind seeing some scoring punch at the backup PG spot.

ESPN.com has the Nuggets down for drafting Pendergraph. Pendergraph's height (6'9"-6'10"), weight (240 lbs) and college numbers - notably field goal percentage (66% as a senior) - automatically make me like him as possible power forward insurance for K-Mart and Nene. And again, how many times have we seen solid PFs slip into the draft's second round?

I'm sticking with Mills, but these names above deserve consideration as well. Thanks for bringing it up!

All best,

Andrew

by Andrew on Jun 23, 2009 10:29 AM MDT reply actions  

The Nuggets aren't going to waste a pick on Price, he's damaged goods (brain hemorrhage, torn ACL). Maynor may be their guy, he's competitive and has a high basketball IQ (if he drops to 24 don't be surprised if they trade up to get him). Don't forget the kid Ben Woodside, they absolutely adored him during this weekend's workouts.

by Anonymous on Jun 23, 2009 11:30 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree, I think Mills should be taken if he is there. This of course is if and only if the Nuggets are confident they can keep Birdman, otherwise I think they should take Pendergraph

by Zachm219 on Jun 23, 2009 6:53 PM MDT reply actions  

i remember watching patty mills play when he was about 15 or 16 years old playing domestic in country victoria. he was crazy. i remember one game he got like 48 points 12 boards 11 assists and 10 steals or something. and that was a final. but he was playing against scrubs compared to him. it was still the best performance i've ever witnessed in my life. then again, i'm from australia and the level of basketball skill here ain't real high :P

by andrew fisher on Jun 23, 2009 9:35 PM MDT reply actions  

I like Mills too! I like he's work ethic. Hopefully the Nuggets will not trade the pick and if Mills is there, they take him! On a side note, Is Hart ready or would Mills over take him as back up PG? I'm assuming we don't have AC back.

by Kevin on Jun 23, 2009 10:08 PM MDT reply actions  

The response given to Anon by the author of this blog is the exact reason why George Karl should be let go.
"The only rookie that can play for the Nuggets are those who have gone to NC. Isn't that discrimination? Needless to say it's a crock of sh it.
So what if he has eight hundred wins. How many championship rings does he have?
His arrogance has proven him to be the loser he is. And those who thought he should have gotten coach of the year need to stop looking at the world through rose colored glasses.
What's it going to take for the Denver Stiff to realize that this obtuse, egostistical, ancient pos should be coaching in the Euro Leauge. He is the reson why the best team in the 2008-2009 season missed out on the best chance ever to obtain a ring.
What is it going to take for the Denver Stiff to return to the original concept of this blog and give some one else a chance.
Why is it the Denver Stiff thinks that only old school coaches have the ability to win championships.
Bryon Scott outcoaches GK on most nights and if Chandler wasn't injured it could have been a different story. And what about Doc Rivers he isn't ancient. He got KG and away they went.
With Chauncey in the mix a more passionate youthful coach who knows how to make the right substitutions, work the refs, and have an inbounds play along with being able to talk to the players is desparately needed.
Fire George Karl

by Anonymous on Jun 23, 2009 11:22 PM MDT reply actions  

I think Toney Douglas from FSU would be a nice fit for the Nuggets. He shows leadership capabilities, and plays a similar game to Chauncey. I think he could learn and thrive under Chauncey for a year or two.

by Chedda on Jun 24, 2009 12:17 AM MDT reply actions  

The problem with both McClinton and Toney Douglas is that they are both really old for rookies. McClinton (24 years old) is the same age as Linas and older than JR, Sonny Weems and Johan Petro and is only 6 months younger than Melo. So part of why he looked so good in college is that he was literally playing against kids 6 years younger than him some nights.
Toney Douglas is only 23, basically the same age as JR, Johan and Sonny, but 23 is still old for a rookie. Of the two, Toney Douglas is certainly a more intriguing player because he has the ability to play mean, aggressive, tenacious defense. The kind of D that makes you angry when you play against it in a game. If he's around he's the right fit, could play right away and would play enough D to get on the court, but if he's not, I don't think reaching for McClinton makes any sense.
We'll see about Patty Mills, I'm not totally sold - I think he's JJ Barea at best, which isn't that bad but isn't that great either - rather draft a big (Pendergraph) or trade the pick at that point.

by Eric B on Jun 25, 2009 8:46 AM MDT reply actions  

If we drafted Mills why not get Boykins back. I agree he's a JJ Barea, however we should get some size at that position also.

by Anonymous on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 AM MDT reply actions  

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