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When the facts change, I change my mind (Nuggets/Lakers Series Preview mulligan)...

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

So said British economist John Maynard Keynes when replying to criticism of having changed his position on monetary policy in regards to the Great Depression.

I've taken a lot of criticism today for picking the Lakers to beat our Nuggets in seven games, and that criticism is completely justified. A lot of this blog's readers have made their points known in the comments of the series preview, although they've been remarkably polite about it. Others have emailed me with much more anger. And a few have called to blast me in person.

While the facts haven't necessarily changed since making my prediction on Sunday afternoon, I've revisited the facts that I should have focused on initially and thus, I have changed my mind. Even though I spent hours yesterday breaking down the Nuggets/Lakers Western Conference Finals, I overlooked some simple things staring me right in the face while putting too much emphasis on past results. In other words, I over thought my prediction.

First off, as loyal Denver Stiffs reader "Bee" aptly pointed out in the comments section, I'm reading too much into the Nuggets/Lakers April 9th matchup. Even though the Nuggets entered that game having won eight straight and 13 of 14 games, they weren't playing nearly as good of basketball as they're playing now. During that 14 game stretch, the Nuggets allowed the lowly Grizzlies, Wizards, Warriors, Knicks and Thunder to creep back into games that should have been total blowouts. Something that hasn't happened once in the postseason. And their defense wasn't particularly great in those games, either, as each of those teams scored more than 100 points. In fact, that Thunder game - which should have been a walkover - pushed the Nuggets enough that their energy entering that Lakers game the following night wasn't what it should have been. The bottom line is that the May 18th Nuggets are dramatically better than the April 9th Nuggets, notably on the defensive end of the floor.

Second, as my friend (and Lakers fan) Adam pointed out to me at lunch today, in Chauncey Billups and Carmelo Anthony, the Nuggets have two of the three best players in this series. And as I mentioned in my initial series preview, one of those two players - Chauncey - has won a championship ring more recently than Kobe Bryant has. And while we're on the topic of Chauncey, as good as he was during the regular season, he's been even more potent in the offseason, averaging 22.1 ppg on 49.2% shooting to go along with 7.3 apg and just 1.7 turnovers per game, compared to regular season averages of 17.9 ppg on 42% shooting, 6.4 apg and 2.3 turnovers per game. Conversely, I encourage readers to check out J.A. Adande's analysis of Bryant's performances in his past five playoff elimination games. Oh, and about that second best player in the series? After a string of dreadful shooting performances against the purple and gold, Melo is overdue for a great series against the Lakers. Now that Melo has learned what it takes to win multiple playoff series, I don't foresee seeing the same timid, cautious, unsure Melo that we've seen against the Lakers in the past.

Third, ESPN.com's John Hollinger does a great job in his breakdown of the Western Conference Finals explaining how the Lakers peaked early but how the Nuggets have basically played them even since the All-Star Break. And through the postseason thus far, it hasn't even been close. While the Lakers struggled mightily against a CBA-caliber Rockets team, the Nuggets would have swept a red hot Mavericks team had Dirk Nowitzki not put on one of his best ever playoff performances in Game 4 at Dallas.

Fourth, back to that whole "emphasis on past results" thing. Sports can be a lot like the stock market or roulette - i.e. just because something happened over and over again in the past (like the Nuggets losing 10 of their last 11 to the Lakers), doesn't mean it's determined to happen again in the present/future. And presently, the Nuggets are not only playing the best basketball in the NBA but they're well rested to boot. Presently speaking, it can't be underestimated how dreadful the Lakers were against the Rockets. For a team that averaged 106.9 points per game in the regular season, they only broke 100 three times against the Rockets and only once when the Rockets didn't have Yao Ming on the floor. And even though they were the bigger, deeper, stronger team, the Lakers allowed themselves to get pushed around.

Fifth, if you look historically at who wins NBA titles, it's not just the hottest team but the deepest and toughest team with the most personality and best off-the-court camaraderie (hence why Boston marched all the way to the championship last year). The Nuggets have all five traits in their favor against the Lakers: they're hotter, deeper, tougher, have more personality and genuinely care about each other more than the Lakers do. While the Lakers are led by a gene-pool-lottery-winning prima dona, a soft power forward who gave up on his previous team so he could be traded to a contender and a coach who inherited two different conference finals caliber teams each featuring the best player in the NBA, the Nuggets and their coach are a rag tag, tattooed (well, not the coach) band of former misfits and NBA castoffs who have more to prove but less to lose than their opponent. That's a very dangerous combination.

So if you'll kindly grant me a mulligan on my misguided prediction from earlier, I'm going with the Nuggets in six. I'm not as convinced as many Nuggets fans that the Nuggets will steal Game 1 in Los Angeles (I hope they do because I'll be there and am yet to witness a Nuggets victory at Staples Center), but I believe they'll steal one of the first two. The Nuggets will then win both Pepsi Center games in front of the most fired up crowd Denver basketball has ever seen. They'll lose Game 5 back in Los Angeles and then take Game 6 in Denver to advance to their first NBA Finals in franchise history, where they'll go on to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers in six games.

GO NUGGETS!!

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glad to see you come around andrew and man up to a mistake!! we have to at believe that the nuggets can win or they never will!! f**k the lakers and all those banners. this team is soft and lazy and the nuggs are the opposite!! i can't wait for tomorrow nite!!!!!!!!!

by j stevens on May 18, 2009 7:29 PM MDT reply actions  

NICE FLIP FLOP!

by Anonymous on May 18, 2009 7:39 PM MDT reply actions  

In the end a prediction is just that. It's fun to be right but they still have to play the games. The only thing that would surprise me here is a sweep either way.

CAN'T FRIGGIN WAIT!!!!

by MJKeenan on May 18, 2009 7:40 PM MDT reply actions  

This is correct. Confidence and leadership will give the edge!

by scottie on May 18, 2009 7:52 PM MDT reply actions  

maybe Nuggets out in 6 ;)

by jason h. on May 18, 2009 7:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Ha. Wow. Were you often bullied into drinking at high school parties as well?As a frat boy did you succumb to the pressure and paddle the newbies?

And how in the world is Kobe a gene-pool lottery winner? He's 6-6, like millions of others and hundreds of basketball players. He might be the most fundamentally sound offensive player in the game, which comes from, you know, working.

by Anonymous on May 18, 2009 7:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Good reasoning, although I kind wish more people would just pick the Lakers in the series. Now the Lakers are going to feel like they have something to prove. I'd rather it be the other way around. The Nuggets are starting to sound mighty sure of themselves. Hopefully they will play with the same hunger as the first two rounds.

by ballwarriorz on May 18, 2009 8:00 PM MDT reply actions  

It's a true fan's perogative to re-evaluate an emotionally charged decision. I myself questioned the Avalanche's ability to beat the NJ Devils in the 2000 - 2001 Stanley Cup Finals. And there I was at Game 7 deliriously happy to be wrong.

I am looking forward to seeing some great basketball!

GO NUGGETS!!!!!!!

by My3Cents on May 18, 2009 8:25 PM MDT reply actions  

WTF Andrew? I understand you could have had a change in mind but the Lakers are still a really good team. I think the thing you may have overlooked even more is the fact that the Rockets played with a whole lot of heart and weren't as bad as you may have thought. The one thing I can say about the Fakers is that they dont play consistant championship defense which opens the door for other teams to capitolize but they still have homecourt and they still have the refs, both of which are going to be huge advantages. Meanwhile we have Karl and his terrible lineups which could also help out the Fakers. I picked the Nuggets in 7. There are all kinds of picks I have heard out there. Some people think Lakers in 5, some in 6but most think Lakers in 7 and a few people think Nuggets in 7, but I really havn't heard many Nuggets in 6. I am glad you changed your mind, we all need to support this team as much as possible, but don't get support confused with reality. Picking the Lakers to win this series wasn't outlandish. You are a blogger and have the right to your own opinion. If somebody called me to yell at me I wouldn't put up with a word. Everybody has their own opinions, if you don't like them, tough, but nobody is ever right or wrong when it comes to predictions. I do hope you are right though! Nuggets in 6 would give me great confidence rolling into the finals.

by Goldennugget on May 18, 2009 9:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Now thats more like it, Andrew! Look, realistically the Lakers at the very least are favored, especially with the home court advantage. But the one thing this Nuggets team has is what ANYONE can ever ask for......A CHANCE!!! They CAN beat this Lakers team, & could you seriously say that even 2 weeks ago? I'd rather go down fighting, than give in BEFORE the battle is joined. The Lakers are not the "Fo, Fo, Fo" Sixers of Dr. J & Moses Malone. They're NOT the Lakers of Wilt & Jerry West.They're VERY beatable, & if we play like we're capable- ther's NO DOUBT we can win this series. Go Nuggs!!!!

by KaiserSoze on May 18, 2009 9:34 PM MDT reply actions  

That is right Andrew, we are on the same page. Nuggets in 6 is very reasonable.

Just take care of Gasol Birdman. As a team avoid foul trouble it is very doable.

We are the better team. Billups is going to be special and carry the team when needed. I think the Nuggets will crush the Lakers tomorrow and realize that they are not that good, it is in our heads.

CB

by Anonymous on May 18, 2009 9:50 PM MDT reply actions  

GN: Abbott, Hollinger and Legler from espn (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/nuggets-lakers) are picking the Nuggets in 6.

by Bee on May 18, 2009 10:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Interesting quotes from Kobe about Melo:

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/05/denver-will-put-you-to-sleep-quickly.html

by Bee on May 18, 2009 10:45 PM MDT reply actions  

all these guys are gene pool lottery winners. i think he meant because kobe comes from nba stock = joe jelly bean bryant!

by Anonymous on May 19, 2009 12:47 AM MDT reply actions  

That's what I like to hear!If our team is gonna be confidant after dropping 10 out of the last 11 the fans have to be confident. Playing no D in LA, on a back-to-back, without K-mart is how we lost last time. They got their lead from Pau's Offensive boards early, no way Kenyon's lettin that happen. This spaniard is about to be introduced to some good old fashioned American street ball. If Gasol thought Luis Scola fouled him hard he's gonna be filing law-suits by the third quarter against my boy Martin.

By the way, 'Pau' means "I'm done" or "I'm finished" in Hawaiian.(and you should post that.)

You can catch me at a bar in San Diego for game 1 showing these so-cal 'loyalists' how to cheer for a team you LOVE.

Another by the way, Melo is playing better than Kobe. Nugs in 5.

by geoffBANGS on May 19, 2009 2:00 AM MDT reply actions  

if yall are so sure the nuggets will take it this year, why dont yall just bet on them?
the odds are still fantastic. you dont because deep inside of your hearts you know you have no shot.

CAVALIERS ALL THE WAY BABEEEY!

by Anonymous on May 19, 2009 8:12 AM MDT reply actions  

While watching Game 7 of the Lakers/Rockets, one of the commentators called Gasol "the best second-best player left in the playoffs." I think Mr Big Shot will prove him wrong.

by Vanila Gorilla on May 19, 2009 8:38 AM MDT reply actions  

John Kerry would be proud of your flip flopping.

by Anonymous on May 19, 2009 8:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Holy shit, Cavs fans!! That's funny. No politics please.

Good to see you have come to your senses. Nugs in 6.

by Pusherman on May 19, 2009 8:56 AM MDT reply actions  

Day game on Memorial Day? Old school.

by BringBackCoryAlexanderAndStith on May 19, 2009 9:15 AM MDT reply actions  

Lakers in a sweep. We have no chance. Andy, you were right the first time. I bet you're still going to bet on the Lakers to hedge yourself, right?

by SecretSauce on May 19, 2009 9:20 AM MDT reply actions  

NUGGETS SUCK!
go back to your lame mountains cause we dont need you. nobody outside of the hick place known as colorado wants to see you guys in the finals!
go lakers! lakers in 4!
YESSUR!

by Anonymous on May 19, 2009 9:39 AM MDT reply actions  

The Lakers posters on here remind me of insecure co-workers. They spend all their time trying to make others look bad so they will look good in comparison. And post their crap anonymously so people can't respond. At least Mbitious left a name. The "hick town" of Colorado has the most tech companies outside of Silicon Valley, and oh by the way, places like Boeing where they launch satellites into space. Just a bunch of gap toothed hayseeds here. Boulder averages a masters degree, the most highly educated city in the country. Smart people come here because it's a great place to live.

by KarlSucks on May 19, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Andrew,

You know I love the Nuggets every bit as much as you do, but this team is too young, too psychological fragile to be favored against the Lakers. I'm not saying they can't beat the Lakers. They certainly can.

Plus, Karl freezes up against the Lakers like Ewing against Jordan. Within the first quarter of game 1, Anthony Carter will be matched up on Kobe, and we will want to cry.

Lakers in 5.

Also, let me know if you want to grab a beer before the game or at half time any time during the series. On me.

I'll be at every game.

by Kieran on May 19, 2009 10:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Lakers fans EAT A DICK

by Anonymous on May 19, 2009 11:08 AM MDT reply actions  

WWE wrestling will be a better show for nuggets fans then watching their boys get smacked down by the Lakers. Maybe the Nugs can host the game at the local YMCA?

by matty c on May 19, 2009 11:27 AM MDT reply actions  

If the Lakers win it will be because of one of two things: Kobe going nuts on the offensive end, or the refs calling technical fouls just because.

I'll give the Lakers props for being (one paper) the best team in the west. But come on! How do you allow a game 7 against a team with a 6'6" center? That's unforgivable. And a PG that's still wet behind the ears ran your team out of Houston. It seems as though the Lakers can't consistantly win against an agressive PG. Remember Rhondo last season?

WTF do you think a seasoned, strong-as-shit PG like CB will do? I'm not even worried about the coaching, because we have a floor General named Smooth. This is not even mentioning the post season Melo is putting together. Or the rebirth of K-Mart and Birdman. JR and Nene are finally comming into their own. Please! Nuggs in 6.

If the lakers win it will be 7, and an honorable mention should be given to the refs for the part they played.

"PAU" I'm finished? That's awesome. If we're speaking Hawaiian let me just tell the Lakers Mahalo Bitches.

by Joelsopinion on May 19, 2009 11:35 AM MDT reply actions  

there was no need for this flip flop. i know u want the nuggets to win and so does everyone here.
it's true that the lakers should be favored and u only stated the facts.
The fact still remains, this is new ground for all of us. and i know deep inside all of us nuggets fands there is a part of us that just unsure and terrified that our team might get dismanteled, and will tarnish everything that has been achived so far.
all of my friends from other states always ask me "what u think? denver or la?" and i honestly can't answer.
i want denver to win more than anything but i'm terrified to hate baskeball for the next 6 months if we get sweapt.
The onlything i am going to do is watch and enjoy as much as i can that we have made it this far.
us winning will just be the best gravy ever put an a really good dish :).

So in finally
GO NUGGETS

by AN from dubai on May 19, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for jinxin us Andy! Geeeez!!!!!

by Eric K on May 19, 2009 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Gasol is a monster, FrankenPau. I suggest doing a side by side shot of Gasol with Frankenstein or a Neanderthal and put it up to a vote as to whether he should be named FrankenPau or NeanderPau.

Go Nugs!

by Grant on May 19, 2009 1:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Enough with the 'trash talk'. Clearly the Lakers fans always dominate that one by using the automatic response of calling opponents hicks whether its USC vs. Nebraska, LA vs. Nuggets and so on. Good for you, I'm glad you have been brushing up on re-runs of Yo Mama. I doubt most Lakers 'fans' have even watched the Nuggs this playoff, and stating that we are from Colorado or calling that wildebeast, Gasol, Frankenpau doesn't change the fact that Nuggets are playing better basketball. But still, coming from Lakers 'fans' why would I expect any logical take? People become fans of teams like the Lakers, Yankees, and Cowboys so you can talk trash. If you are an honest basketball fan analyzing the truth of these two teams currently match up there is only one clear choice and its the Denver Nuggets.

So I'm just going to be honest and put all the b.s. to the side. The Nuggs will win. This team has made great strides in many needed areas and have their head in the right spot. The team is working hard and as a team. The Lakers are favored by most because, well, it's the Lakers vs. Nuggets, check their histories. Lakers have talent and experience, last I checked you need heart to win as well. That's what the playoffs are about. Nuggs have talent and heart. Oh, and some guy named Billups who put a far better Lakers team to rest in 2004. Nuggs in 5. I will put money on it, all of my money.

by geoffBANGS on May 19, 2009 4:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Alright I clearly misinterpreted the Frankpau quote, lol.

But fellow Nuggets Fans, aside from Joelsopinion,(Your my boy!)pick your heads up.

AN from Dubai, there is no part of me, however deep down that is scared.

We got something great going on here, and if you are gonna be a Nuggs fan have some pride and pick your heads up. We are doing this. We are going to the NBA championship. Recognize.

And apparently my opinion should have merit seeing as I'm from the most educated City in the country. Boulder Colorado Baby! Thanks for the look KarlSucks.

by geoffBANGS on May 19, 2009 4:36 PM MDT reply actions  

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