We're not smart enough (Nuggets/Lakers Game 5 recap)...
As I'm writing this I'm watching Nuggets head coach George Karl's postgame press conference and he's whining profusely about the officiating. Karl has every right to be upset about the lack of calls or bad calls the Nuggets received while trying to be aggressive offensively (Pau Gasol finishes the game with one foul? What a joke).But a) Karl should have stood up for his players and worked the refs during the game (more on that below) and b) ultimately, the refs weren't the reason the Nuggets lost the most important game in their franchise history. Their own poor decision making - from the coach down through the players - cost them this golden opportunity to closeout the Lakers at Denver on Friday night.
So many things went wrong in Game 5, notably the Nuggets ice cold stretch from the 5:12 mark in the third quarter through the 8:11 mark in the fourth during which the Nuggets committed five turnovers, shot a ghastly 1-12 from the field and 1-6 from the three-point line. That was some of the worst basketball we've seen all season.
To best capture the Nuggets deficiencies in Game 5, I've decided to dust off my post from April 16th titled "What needs to change in the playoffs..." in which I listed all the areas the Nuggets needed to improve in to be successful in the postseason. I'm going to re-list each item in bold, and relate them to what happened at Staples Center on Wednesday night.
...Carmelo Anthony's first shot and every third shot must be a drive.
Melo shot 9-23 to go along with zero offensive rebounds because half of his shots were jumpers outside the lane (including three missed three-pointers) rather than purpose-driven takes inside. To be fair to Melo, he shot a very respectable 13 free throws and the refs swallowed their whistles on a lot of his attempted takes inside in which the Lakers hounded and in some cases hammered him. But he played like he was expecting the whistle rather than focusing on making the shot. Melo was visibly more aggressive and successful driving inside in the latter moments of the fourth quarter, but we needed that Melo throughout quarters one through three....J.R. Smith's first shot and every third shot must be a drive.
J.R. kept his streak alive of playing awful on the road in the Western Conference Finals. Maybe the basketball gods were punishing him for showboating in front of the Lakers bench in Game 4 by sticking him with an awful 1-10 night from the three-point line, but in reality the question asked should be: what was J.R. doing taking 10 three's and only three non-three's? J.R. was 2-3 on non-three-pointers and yet never bothered taking the ball aggressively inside beyond those three attempts. The Nuggets have 20 assistant coaches. Doesn't one of these guys keep track of these things during the game? Inexcusable.
...No more finger rolls and flip shots around the basket from Nene.
At the 5:18 mark in the fourth quarter with the opportunity to cut the game to six after a string of good defensive stops by the Nuggets, Nene received a great pass while storming right down the lane. But rather than dunk the ball emphatically and alter the momentum in the Nuggets favor, Nene turned his body away from the basket and while under the basket flipped the ball backwards for a missed field goal attempt. And even though Lakers center Andrew Bynum had to sit a lot due to foul trouble, Nene never made his presence known offensively, finishing with a paltry three field goal attempts. Three!!
...Take care of the ball. Please.
This one's on Chauncey. With the Lakers tired, down by five and ready to pack it up late in the third quarter, the normally sure-handed Chauncey threw the ball away to the Lakers Pau Gasol on two consecutive possessions (both plays made no sense as there was plenty of time on the shot clock). And then, two possessions and a Melo traveling violation later, Chauncey invoked Allen Iverson by over dribbling until there was no time left on the shot clock, leading to a 24-second violation. So instead of the Nuggets being up by a minimum of three points entering the fourth, they found themselves tied with the Lakers at 76 apiece. Frankly, since being a Nugget again I've never seen Chauncey play worse.
...George Karl must stand up.
As noted above, Karl had no problem complaining about the refs after the game and yet during the game (based on what we could see on TV) it appeared as though he did nothing to support his players whom he apparently felt were getting no calls when driving to the basket. For several years now, Nuggets fans have been begging and pleading that Karl work the referees, get himself teed up if need be to stop runs by opposing teams and call timeouts to bring his team into line when they lose sight of what they're supposed to do offensively (read: take the ball to the @#$%& basket instead of chucking long jump shots!!).In his franchise's most important game to date, Karl again did his Phil Jackson impersonation again (or maybe we should call it his "anti-Doc Rivers" impersonation) by sitting quietly still throughout much of the contest and letting the players "figure it out." If ever we needed "Fiery George" from his Seattle days it was on Wednesday night, and he was nowhere to be found.
Doesn't Karl know that by drawing a technical you get three benefits?!! Not only do you show your players that you have their back against bad calls, but you put yourself in position to get a big/favorable call later on (such as that awful foul on Nene when Gasol elbowed and rolled over him in the fourth, fouling Nene out) and you stop play to collect your team if they're playing out of hand. This is Basketball 101. My friend Justin whom I watched the game with had a classic line during that awful third-to-fourth quarter stretch: "How much do you think Karl could have sold his seat on EBay for? Because anyone could just sit there like he is."
And don't get me started on Karl's inability to draw up a decent inbounds play at the end of the first half and then not calling a timeout soon thereafter to set up a possible last-second play. In the Western Conference Finals, every possession counts...at least that's what I've understood to be the case for all 33 years of my life.
But whether you want to assign blame to Karl, Melo, Chauncey, J.R., Nene, the referees or even Kenyon Martin for jacking up awful, rushed shots, the bottom line is that the Nuggets collectively didn't play smart in Game 5. They didn't attack the rim consistently, committed as many fouls as free throws attempted (you know that's Denver Stiffs key ratio), committed weak fouls that enabled the Lakers to get countless three-point plays and tied their series high with 15 turnovers, including four straight at the end of the third period which I believe cost them the game.
The Nuggets may be more talented than the Lakers (and they are), they may be tougher than the Lakers (and they are), they may be more energetic than the Lakers (and they are), and they may be deeper than the Lakers (and they are), but no one would mistake them for being smarter than the Lakers. And that's why the Nuggets are down 3-2.
I know he's been a legitimate target for criticism throughout this series, but ESPN's Jeff Van Gundy had a great point early in the Game 5 broadcast when he pointed out that as a player, a coach and an organization, you don't know if you'll ever be back in the conference finals again. Everything had to come together for the Nuggets to get this far: all their players playing with something to prove, no major injuries, their coach coaching with something to prove, their organization putting the right team together, a favorable first and second round matchup, and a conference finals matchup against a tired, exhausted Lakers team that might have peaked three months ago. But rather than seize this potentially once-in-a-lifetime opportunity - the Lakers have been to 30 conference finals, the Nuggets three - the Nuggets are letting the Lakers steal their NBA Finals hopes away.
All the negatives aside, I still believe in this Nuggets teams and there's no doubt in my mind that the Nuggets will win Game 6 on Friday night and bring this series back to Los Angeles for a Game 7 on Sunday.
But in Game 5, Karl and the Nuggets were Denver Stiffs indeed.
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How can our guys shut up and play if their coach never argues their case? Then the players get hit with T's. Absolutely ridiculous.
We can still do this but it's gonna take some real effort. We will win game 6, but D has to get better.
by NugzD on May 27, 2009 11:08 PM MDT reply actions
Horrible final 12 minutes. Horrible.
by joelsopinion on May 27, 2009 11:08 PM MDT reply actions
You hit the nail right on the head.
GK is so sorry.
Here's GK with courtside seats and the best team he has ever been a part of and the chance to make it to the finals and he has no clue as to what to do and how to get there.
Pathetic loser
by SamIam on May 27, 2009 11:09 PM MDT reply actions
Bonehead basketball on all levels by the Nugs. And that's not to say the Lakers are playing any great brand of hoops.
The quality of hoops in these two Finals is horrible. Some of the worst quality b-ball I've ever seen. Justifies and certifies my point that 80s and early 90s hoops was Golden Age for NBA. Little fundamentals or hoop IQ.
by DeAngelo Starnes on May 27, 2009 11:18 PM MDT reply actions
We can talk all we want about the refs. Yes, I thought the refing was indeed terrible but the fact is, like Andrew pointed out, we didn't play smart enough to win. We buried ourselves in our own grave from the second the 4th quarter started by not extending numerous leads earlier in the game when we had the chance. In the 3rd we built up a healthy 7 point lead only to watch it disappear in less than 3 minutes time by playing terrible defense and making bone-headed play after bone-headed play. L.A. is not better than us, they are smarter than us though and that is all that matters at the end of the day. When you got JR going 1-10 from 3 point land, Chauncey making terrible turnovers and not doing anything really, and Melo shooting the kind of fg% he is you just don't give yourself a chance. Simple as that.
Bottom line in my eyes, Karl isn't ever going to win us a title, like I have said. Your team play is a DIRECT reflection of you as a coach. But...I firmly believe the game tonight was winnable for our players out on the floor. Trust me, I will always blame Karl when I have the chance, people on this blog know that, but he wasn't the one playing tonight. It would be nice to have a coach like Avery who lights a fire under our players asses when they need it, but these are grown men who should realize what they are doing sometimes with their shot selection. I can't wait till the next game, it should be good, and it is definitely not too late to turn it around, but that starts with the players first. Coach can do what he can but the players play the game. Chauncey has to step up and the team as a whole can't take these ridiculous 3 pointers any longer, because if we do we might waste the best shot we have ever had at reaching the Finals.
Carpe diem.
by Goldennugget on May 27, 2009 11:56 PM MDT reply actions
Denver is good, but when the Lakers are performing as they should, they are almost unbeatable. Even by your, supposedly "better" Nuggets.
P.S. When will the nuggets learn that you die by the 3 almost 60% of the time.
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 12:08 AM MDT reply actions
How can a team take the ball to the rack when all the lakers F^#&@*! do is foul and we don't get any F#$%@*$ calls. You might as well take the jumpshots because its the only real chance that we might have in scoring with out getting mugged. GK made a great point in his press conference about Gasol being active defensively down low and going after 20+ shots and only getting called for one foul. While on the other hand our "Bigs" got called for 16.
I just don't understand how a Denver Nugget team that averaged the most free throw attempts per game in the entire NBA doesn't even get to 30 FTA in a game in the western conference FREAKING FINALS!!!!! IF their was ever a time to blame the referees for a loss this would be the game to do it.
However I will be at the can Friday night screaming relentlessly the entire game for our nugs until my tonsils start to bleed. I hope and prey to the basketball gods that if our nugs are destined to loose it will be because we faced a better team and got outplayed. But we all know that is NOT the case in this series. Nuggets need to make the refs a non factor and be up by at least 10 to start the final quarter to have any shot to win this series in 7 games, because if we don't we know David Stern and his minions will have something to say about it. Go NUGS!!!!!!!!!
by IHATE NBA REFS AND THE LAKERS!!!!!! on May 28, 2009 12:21 AM MDT reply actions
by Goldennugget on May 28, 2009 2:59 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 4:36 AM MDT reply actions
That's the NBA's fault.
This is going to go 7 games after we win game 6 at home.
We have one more chance to get this right in LA.
We learn as we go.
by Dave on May 28, 2009 6:02 AM MDT reply actions
I see Denver take 6 and 7 being a classic.
by Cash Gifting Practice on May 28, 2009 6:48 AM MDT reply actions
Karl - inexcusable standing by and watching his team get hosed by the refs
Chauncey - inexcusable disappearing act and passing up his own shot when he himself said he wanted to put the team on his shoulders as a leader
Melo - inexcusable shot selection and bad passing.
Nene - another disappearing act... inexcusable. Softer than Gasol, which I didn't know was possible.
JR Smith - embarrasingly bad shooting, inexcusable.
The Refs - don't ever let me catch you in public! You will not like how that scenario plays out, I promise. I've never been in a a real fight and I'm not saying I'd get violent, nor have I ever been taken to jail but I see cops being called or one of them trying to punch ME.
Lakers - How can we be mad at them? The only thing I really wanted to do last night was throw a beer bottle at my friends TV (thank god I was watching at his house not mine) when Kobe started whining incessantly about NOT getting fouls called. Are you #$%@ing kidding me???? But overall, the Lakers did 2 things amazingly well. 1) they played the lanes on our passing game to the point of completely disrupting our offensive flow the entire game, and 2) they managed their offensive possessions with total and complete precision. That's the difference between a team that's seasoned in the playoffs and a team that's seemingly just happy to be there and will be gone before they know it if they keep this BS up. I've never wanted to turn off a game in the playoffs before it was over until last night. Disgusting!
by Eric K on May 28, 2009 8:17 AM MDT reply actions
Melo ... Melo drives me frigging nuts. I have never seen a marquis player unable to make a shot 2 feet away from the rim. I totally agree with Andrew - he must drive more, and actually try and make the shot rather than play for the foul. He really needs layup lessons or something. It's amazing that he can hit a midrange jumper with relative consistency but can't close the deal from close range, sometimes not even hitting the rim. I mean, you think of the marquis guys in the playoffs ... Kobe, Lebron, Nowitzki ... can you imagine them missing layups, even when defended? I can't. I also didn't think he was playing D with the same intensity ... I saw several plays where he was jogging back. Maybe he was still sick or something, I don't know.
Another interesting thing that the radio host pointed out was that they changed their defensive strategy to give Kobe a lot more double teams, which backfired because it got the other Lakers involved. I am guessing that they change that back after last night.
by grantarchy on May 28, 2009 8:47 AM MDT reply actions
This isn't the best team Karl has ever coached. The Sonics teams he had were even better, and he couldn't win with them....
Can someone please (Chauncey) draw up an inbounds play? Christ.
I'm not a fan of criticizing the officials. Jones didn't get four fouls in the first quarter this game. The problem with this game, aside from the inbounds play at the end of the half, was the 21-5 run at the end of the third, beginning of the fourth. Absolutely terrible all the way around. After that dunk by L.A., then Birdman called a timeout, and they just stopped playing. At that point, a championship team has to have a go to play that gets them a score, not 8 empty trips in a row.
When it comes down to it, a team is most likey going to lose a game 5 on the road in the WCF. The problem isn't losing this game, but losing games one and three due to brain freeze by the head coach. Unless the team somehow pulls this out of the fire and beats L.A., it's time to dust off FireGeorgeKarl.com, or at least HireChauncyBillups.com.
by KarlSucks on May 28, 2009 8:55 AM MDT reply actions
Game 1 (in Los Angeles)
Nuggets 35 FT's Lakers 24
Game 2 (in Los Angeles)
Nuggets 37 FT's Lakers 35
Game 3 (in Denver)
Nuggets 31 FT's Lakers 45
Game 4 (in Denver)
Nuggets 49 FT's Lakers 35
Game 5 (in Los Angeles )
Nuggets 30 FT's Lakers 35*
* In game 5, the Nuggets had MORE free throw attempts than the Lakers for the entire game up until the end of the 4th quarter when they started committing intentional fouls to stop the clock.
Yeah, refs are definitely in the Lakers' pocket. My god. The whining here is absolutely hilarious. If our team doesn't shoot more free throws, it's a conspiracy!!! Forget the meltdown in the fourth. It's the refs!!! When the Nuggets shoot more free throws, it's because they're aggressive!!! When the Lakers do, it's a conspiracy!!
Sure.
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 9:12 AM MDT reply actions
by Chris & Sara Tierney on May 28, 2009 9:28 AM MDT reply actions
The calls on Nene were pretty bad though - Nene gets screwed more than any other player in the league. You can see it in his play, he's afraid to make any contact on the defensive side of the ball because he knows that it'll almost always lead to a foul call. When a guy can't play D because he's too afraid of picking up fouls, there's something wrong.
by grantarchy on May 28, 2009 9:31 AM MDT reply actions
I don't like complaining about the refs, but that blocking foul on Nene at the end was bad. Let Anthony put his shoulder into a guy like that - charging every time. That call and the charging call on Billups really hurt. It was the Nuggets play and coaching, though, not the officials that cost the game.
by KarlSucks on May 28, 2009 9:43 AM MDT reply actions
Fact is, we may not be "ready" for this series. NBA history is littered with teams that made repeated attempts at winning titles- with some failing & others finally succeeding. It's not over yet, & I'm trying to stay positive, but this 1st go-round hasn't been a total disaster. We're a VERY young team, & a few tweaks here&there should see us in this position a couple of more times.
But, I agree that the biggest frustration is that we're just as good, if not slightly better, than the Lakers. We have yet to see this team hit on all cylinders in this series.
Thats whats really infuriating, ut honestly, not too surprising. Let look to take Gm 6- & see if we can have a complete performance in a Gm. 7!
Thats all we can hope for at this point.
BTW- when the playoffs started, if I'd said to you that we'd be heading back home for Gm.6 of the WCF vs the Lakers, would you take it????
Exactly.
by KaiserSoze on May 28, 2009 10:11 AM MDT reply actions
You can't embrace a rough, physical game and then complain about not getting foul calls. If you want fouls called closely, your rough play on defense is going to result in the Lakers shooting more free-throws. If you want the refs to allow the contact, then don't expect fouls to be called when Melo or Chauncey drive to the basket and initiate contact.
I thought the writer made some good points about why the Nuggets didn't win last night, but he lost some credibilty when he wrote that the Nuggets have more talent than the Lakers. Even most Nuggets fans will agree he missed the boat on that one.
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 10:29 AM MDT reply actions
Two horrible, momentum shifting passes by Chauncey. Really Chauncey!!
Two bad shots by Kmart at the beginning of the 4th, as the Lakers were draining their shots. K-Mart, don't shoot 15-20 footers in the 4th please.
Melo sitting the first part of the 4th as the game slipped away. Really George!!
A horrible 4th foul by Nene on a weak 3pt shooting Ariza with time running out on the clock. And yes, that one was a foul.
I think Melo did drive quite a bit at the end, his failure was trying to get fouls from Gasol as the refs were letting the plays go, and not concentrating on finishing...and/or not kicking out to Kleiza, JR or Chauncey for open jumpers (which they likely would have missed anyway..but they were open). This is old school Melo...not our new and improved version.
JR, 1-10 threes.
At the end of the day, you have to play smart and hit shots...the Nugs did neither.
by Pusherman on May 28, 2009 10:34 AM MDT reply actions
I also agree that NBA officiating is horrific, but it always goes both ways.
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 10:43 AM MDT reply actions
reading your article, it looks like the nuggets should have won the game, had they done the little things right and had the refs at least call a balanced game.
how many times could that be said about the nuggets though?
by Sean on May 28, 2009 10:47 AM MDT reply actions
I don't think the refs cost the game. If you want to watch game film on anyone you can find fouls. The easiest on Gasol is at 4:01 left in the fourth quarter where he puts his shoulder into Nene's chest and get a blocking foul. Even the announcers were saying that was a charge.
by KarlSucks on May 28, 2009 10:57 AM MDT reply actions
I like your final thoughts on JVG's point. Leave it on the floor. It's taken the Nuggets 24 years to get back here ...don't waste this opportunity!
by Nate T. from Pickaxe on May 28, 2009 11:43 AM MDT reply actions
"...Remember this: The league will change only if it's embarrassed enough. Web sites tracking official statistics and playoff calls would embarrass them. YouTube clips edited to include every bad call from every playoff game would embarrass them. (For instance, an edited reel of questionable calls from Wednesday night's Game 5 would be eye-opening, especially Nene's last two fouls and the 73 times that 'Melo got hacked without a whistle.) Maybe this column will embarrass them. And if it does, I'm glad. A reader e-mailed after the 86-FT Game that he would rather watch a playoffs in which players called their own fouls. At first glance, ridiculous. Within a few seconds, I started talking myself into it. By the three-minute mark, I was genuinely excited. No referees. The players policing themselves. Pickup rules for the playoffs. Hmmmmmm."
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions
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by Goldennugget on May 28, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions
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Holy-no-life-no-personality Laker fan. I bet he lives in Iowa too. Gotta love the trolls who go other team web sites and talk trash, but this guy is doing it at a phenomenal rate. Whaddya do all day? Jerk off and talk smack for your Lakers, Cowboys, and Yankees? I'd say get a life, but you have to have personality before you try to step out of that bat cave.
by Sundar on May 28, 2009 2:44 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions
"They are who we thought they were and we let them off the hook. You want to crown them, go ahead and crown them, but they are who we thought they were."
If the Lakers win this, it is only because Denver let them off the hook.
by KarlSucks on May 28, 2009 3:44 PM MDT reply actions
I can't blame this loss on the refs, since one of Nene's Achilles Heels is not being mentally tough to shake off dumb fouls.
I can blame it on the Lakers, since they finally played team defense and Kobe had his cast of players step up, especially in the fourth quarter. It was hard for the Nuggets to penetrate the lane with their bigs and lots of hand slapping to create steals.
I can blame this loss on short memories. Players like Chauncey and KMart that have been to the Finals before know that you have to "shower off" the loss after the game and have "short memories". The key point is that the Nuggets are thankfully having short memories, winning both Games 2 and 4 after losses. However, they aren't learning or (mis)remembering from their mistakes and turning the corner.
These are the simple fundamental lessons that the Nuggets have to ingrain in their heads during Games 6 and 7:
Rebound. If and whenever possible, drive to the hoop. Play deep post-up or pick and roll basketball that generates easy buckets. Be smart with shot selection. Only take Threes in the normal flow of the offense or when up by 10+ points. Don't get emotional -- avoid techs. Finish quarters strong, and simply win the 4th quarter.
I'm proud of this team, no matter what. Western Conference Finals was what I wanted to see this year. The Finals are icing on the cake. And winning it all gives us a parade. I'm a happy season ticket holder, since playoff basketball is why I've paid the price since 2003. Let's Go Nuggets... and let's rock the house on Friday!
by Tim on May 28, 2009 4:18 PM MDT reply actions
by SpokenWar on May 28, 2009 4:33 PM MDT reply actions
"They are who we thought they were!" ... maybe the Nuggets need D Green as an assistant coach!
by grantarchy on May 28, 2009 4:42 PM MDT reply actions
These two teams are so evenly matched that the referees have tremendous power in this series. As a fan you cannot say that if Denver did this or that they would have won even though the refereeing was clearly biased. Give me a break guys. If refereeing is corrupt it trumps everything else and nothing else should matter. The NBA (or in the unlikely case the referees) must be brought up on charges by the FBI. I thought the FBI loved corruption cases?
It is a sick joke to say that Gasol had only one foul when you see right on national television him pushing guys in the back as he goes up for a rebound or shoving a guy completely out of bounds trying to get another rebound. Also, what kind of referee looks to call a foul on the offense on a two on one break? The only way it could happen justly is if the foul really was committed. Otherwise, the refs should be thinking that Ariza is probably going to take a foul to prevent the layup. This call cannot happen in a just league, it is truly impossible. I am a high school referee myself and everything I have learned in my career goes against many of the calls made in the Lakers favor.
In summation, get your minds right if you want to blog about something. No one wants to hear your nugs have to do this or that better but the refereeing was really bad, BS!
by Kyle Scott on May 28, 2009 4:42 PM MDT reply actions
YDenver has never had LA on the hook. They have never controlled the series. They have been playing in line with home court advantage all series long.
The refs have been terrible, but it has gone both ways. Over a 7 game series, the better team wins, always (barring injury). It wont be the refs that make L.A. win or Denver win ultimately.
Whine all you want, in Game 6, Denver will get all the "calls" because more then anything else, the NBA loves its game 7.
And please give a little credit to the Lakers for their 4th Q defense. They were great; and while Denver was jacking up fades and 3's, the lakers were going to the rim and getting fouls.
THere should be no surprise that the whistle blows when people drive. In both E and W series, on just about every derive there is a foul called. I hate it, but that is how it is going to be called. Denver can drive too, can't they?
The blogger knows his hoops, but please stop looking for excuses. This board is just a bunch of whining homers.
-Matt
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 5:54 PM MDT reply actions
how about getting a life?
This is a Nuggets blog, yet you seem to revel in piping in with your unsolicited comments. True, the officiating has been bad- BOTH WAYS! We get it- so, whats your point? Only morons go to other teams' sites to gloat after a win. Let it go, imbecile. Let us commiserate amonst ourselves as we prepare for Gm. 6. What possible benefit are you getting by being here? Stop jacking off, leave Mommy's basement, & find a Lakers site! Poof.....be gone!!!!
by KaiserSoze on May 28, 2009 6:17 PM MDT reply actions
In the 4th quarter, Denver benefited from 3 awful calls: (a) a charge called on Kobe which was far worse than the marginal call on Nene, (b) the foul on Carmelo which was not only a flagrant, but arguably a flagrant 2, and should have resulted in 2 FTs plus the ball, and © a no call on an obvious loose ball foul when Carmelo dove taking out Odoms legs forcing a timeout call.
2. Calling the Nuggets deeper than the Lakers, more talented than the Lakers, orbetter coached than the Lakers, is silly. Lakers won 11 games more than Denver for good reason.
Lakers are better at the 2, 4 and 5 and have a deeper bench.
by Anonymous on May 28, 2009 10:42 PM MDT reply actions
And for anyone who thinks Nene shouldn't have been called for his 6th on that play...if you are so stupid to try and flop when you are playing against Eurotrash Gasol, arguably the SOFTEST effing big man in the game, you should be escorted off the floor and be asked to turn in your man card.
Nene, you are a BIG man. Gasol is Eurosoft. Man up. Don't flop like a little girl and expect the ref to bail you out. You are a moron.
Sorry Nuggs fans, but the waaaambulance is waiting outside the Pepsi Center. Either sack up and quit crying like babies, or wait another 24 years til the Nuggies can get beat by the boys from LA again.
by Anonymous on May 29, 2009 3:02 AM MDT reply actions
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by Anonymous on May 29, 2009 11:32 AM MDT reply actions
Nuggets: Birdman, JR, Carter, Kleiza and Balkman.
Lakers: Odom, Farmar, Vujacic, Walton and Brown.
I would much rather have the Nuggets bench. So, yes, we are deeper. And as far as talent goes, Bynum is about worthless these days while the Nuggets are solid at every position on the floor.
by Goldennugget on May 29, 2009 11:38 AM MDT reply actions


















