Have a long memory (Nuggets/Lakers WCF recap)...
by Andrew Feinstein on May 30, 2009 1:27 AM MDT
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(Photos courtesy of Denver Stiffs reader Jonathan Maness)Before getting into a few of the specifics from Friday night's hurtful 119-92 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers and what lies ahead for the Nuggets, I want to share a quick story from the 2007 World Series.
After the top of the 8th inning of Game 4 in which the Rockies found themselves down three games to zero and four runs to one to the Boston Red Sox, I couldn't hold it anymore and had to use the restroom at Coors Field. As I waited in line for an open urinal, I distinctly remember a Rockies fan in front of me saying to his friend: "What's the point of getting to the World Series only to get swept? I wish we hadn't gotten here in the first place."
I thought that was one of the dumbest things I'd ever heard in my life.
A lot of Nuggets fans will point to tonight's devastating loss, the series loss and all the (rightful) negatives associated with that. But I have a long memory. And I remember that this team wasn't even expected to make the playoffs back in October. And I remember that this team had flamed out of the playoffs in the first round for five consecutive years. And I remember that this team hadn't even won a playoff series since 1994. And before that hadn't won a playoff series since 1988. And hadn't been to a Western Conference Finals since 1985, when I was nine years old.
So before you rip this team for what it didn't accomplish, a little perspective is in order.
Had you told me in October that behind Door Number One was a Western Conference Finals appearance that included a blowout Game 6 loss at home and behind Door Number Two was an unknown result, I'd have taken Door Number One in a heartbeat. Even as you read the series and Game 6 recap below, keep in mind that this was a magical season and one we should never forget.
Now, about this series, Friday night's loss and a brief commentary on the future...
As stated on this blog many times before, what makes the NBA Playoffs so special is that over the course of a seven-game series - and if both teams are relatively healthy - the better team always wins. And there's no doubt that the Lakers are the better team right now and deserve our congratulations. The Nuggets might be more talented and deeper from the neck down (which is debatable now that we've seen the "real Lakers" play these last two games), but from the neck up the Lakers were clearly the superior team. They simply didn't beat themselves with senseless turnovers, technical fouls, rushed shots and the other maladies that plagued the Nuggets throughout the Western Conference Finals.
Additionally, Friday night's game made it clear to me that the Nuggets and their fans weren't conditioned properly - physically and mentally - to play this deep into May. While the Lakers might have looked lethargic at points in this series, they were simply saving themselves for the knockout punch needed in Games 5 and 6. Kobe Bryant in particular was exceptional in this area. It was as if he had just been on cruise control until the time came to close the series out, which he did with more energy than anyone else on the floor on Friday night.
Moving over to the fans, Pepsi Center had the worst energy of the nine playoff games played there this year. Like the team on the floor on Friday night, the crowd was flat, lethargic and lacked energy. Every time I gazed at the crowd, I saw multiple people yawning. Making matters worse, I was greatly disappointed to see so many fans leave early (it was a Friday night, where did these people possibly have to go?). After everything positive that the Nuggets and their players did for Denver sports this season, they deserved a standing ovation from all the fans at game's end, not just those who remained until the bitter end of Game 6. And as my friend and seat-mate Keith pointed out, even Rocky had an off night. As an example, the Mascot Hall of Famer waited until the game was completely out of reach late in the fourth quarter to launch his "GO NUGGETS!" chant. The crowd needed it about 30 minutes earlier.
Getting a bit more specific, the Carmelo Anthony coming out party we had hoped for never really materialized. After Games 1 and 2, we were discussing Melo joining the ranks of Kobe, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade in NBA super stardom. Not so fast. Where exactly was Melo in Games 3-6? Defensively, Melo was at his worst in Game 6 (he made Luke Walton look like an All-Star) and in the latter four games of the series, he disappeared for long stretches at a time offensively. I couldn't be more proud of the season Melo had and am convinced that Melo will routinely get the Nuggets deep into the postseason. But I'm not yet convinced that he can deliver Denver's first NBA championship.As for Melo's teammates, except for J.R. Smith they all looked fatigued on Friday night. Chauncey Billups made an assortment of un-Chauncey-like mistakes with the basketball for the second game in a row. Nene was never able to impose his will on the Lakers big men, also for the second game in a row. Kenyon Martin played with decent energy, but his inexplicable grab of Sasha Vujacic's leg showed me that he let his emotions get the best of him. And Chris "Birdman" Andersen was a step slow defensively, grabbing a paltry two rebounds.
And what about George Karl? From my vantage point at Pepsi Center, Karl looked more exasperated than engaged throughout much of Game 6. He must have known that his team just didn't have it on Friday night. In fact, the Nuggets energy was so bad that I thought Karl should have trotted out a lineup of Smith, Dahntay Jones, Andersen, Linas Kleiza and Renaldo Balkman to start the second half just to give the Nuggets a punchers chance of pulling out a Game 6 victory (I know that no sensible coach would ever do that, but desperate times call for desperate measures).
Overall, the 2009 Western Conference Finals showed us that the Nuggets aren't ready for the NBA Finals stage quite yet, but they're getting damn, damn close. Entering the offseason, the fans and the organization must ask the hard question: can this team as presently constructed ever be an NBA Champion? In the weeks ahead, Denver Stiffs will tackle this question from the coach on down through the 12th man on the team.
But for now - and as hard as this may be to do after the May Day (err, Night) massacre that took place in Game 6 - let's congratulate the Nuggets for their best season in 24 years. Let's thank them for seven very entertaining months. Let's thank them for playing hard almost every night. Let's thank them for taking our minds (temporarily) off the disasters that have become the Denver Broncos, Colorado Rockies, Colorado Avalanche and CU Football.
But most of all, let's thank them for making it feel good to root for a professional basketball team in Denver again. We haven't been this excited for the Nuggets since 1994 and before that you'd have to go back to the mid-1980's to capture what we experienced in the 2008-09 season.
Remember, I have a long memory.
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I'm glad I'm writing this with some distance from the disappointment of this playoff loss. I've been thinking about this season and it's promise. It gave me time to appreciate things....
Melo had his worst game of the post season. He looked lethargic and stuck in mud. HOWEVER....this year he has been much improved. When we take a step back and realize that the selfish Melo from the previous five years is gone...we will begin to appreciate just how much he's changed.
George Karl....there is good and bad in his coaching. However, the players responded better this year to his coaching than I've ever seen. Personally.....I'm not convinced he's coming back next year. I think he may take the off season and decide to step down. That's just a gut feeling.
Chauncey was revived this year, but he ran out of gas in this series. The heavy minutes he had to play wore him out BUT thank god he was there. I look forward to seeing him play the next couple of years.
Which brings me to my critique of you specifically Andrew. While I love your blog...and I love your passion for the Nuggets...I have realized that there is an unreasonable negativity to your recent posts about the Nuggets. It seems like your recent expectations arent matching realities. I look at the Nuggets now as the 89 to 91 Bulls....teams that were on the verge of a breakthrough but just NEEDED to learn how to win. The Nuggets re learning how to WIN. They will be better next year.
Andrew...there is MUCH more positive than negative this year. Please....after the disappointment washes away...realize that we are on the verge of something special.
Melo had his worst game of the post season. He looked lethargic and stuck in mud. HOWEVER....this year he has been much improved. When we take a step back and realize that the selfish Melo from the previous five years is gone...we will begin to appreciate just how much he's changed.
George Karl....there is good and bad in his coaching. However, the players responded better this year to his coaching than I've ever seen. Personally.....I'm not convinced he's coming back next year. I think he may take the off season and decide to step down. That's just a gut feeling.
Chauncey was revived this year, but he ran out of gas in this series. The heavy minutes he had to play wore him out BUT thank god he was there. I look forward to seeing him play the next couple of years.
Which brings me to my critique of you specifically Andrew. While I love your blog...and I love your passion for the Nuggets...I have realized that there is an unreasonable negativity to your recent posts about the Nuggets. It seems like your recent expectations arent matching realities. I look at the Nuggets now as the 89 to 91 Bulls....teams that were on the verge of a breakthrough but just NEEDED to learn how to win. The Nuggets re learning how to WIN. They will be better next year.
Andrew...there is MUCH more positive than negative this year. Please....after the disappointment washes away...realize that we are on the verge of something special.
by Jeff on May 30, 2009 3:55 AM MDT reply actions
I agree that Karl probably would (and definitely should) step down. He gave up on that team after the last game and it showed in his post game 5 interview as well as in his coaching (or lack thereof) in game 6. I am disappointed by the team. Losing is fine but give it all you have. The defense was a shambles (Dang even Odom made it look easy, at that point they all needed to walk off and give up as physically as they did mentally!) and the offense made the defense look good. Hell even the cheerleaders sucked. That team had way more talent than they showed last night. Cute article but I'm not buying it. DISAPPOINTING.
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 4:38 AM MDT reply actions
Pretty horrible game. And before we sit around and pretend we are as classless as Bronco fans (ripping and tearing apart every aspect of the team and coaching), let me say this - if the Nuggets were to keep their roster exactly as it is and work like dogs during the off-season with this defeat in their minds - I would have no problem with that. This includes Karl, A.C., and L.K. (Think about the great Spurs teams that had the opportunity to play together year in and year out).
This is one helluva team and it could only get better with a chance to get better. I, for one, hope the member of this team dedicate themselves to improving defense and the execution of offense over the summer.
I believe in the continuity and quality of this roster and I believe this roster can only get better - if given the chance.
I have watched every game this year, and the only to not be disappointed is with that big final win.
So, I say - get behind them. Get behind the Nuggs. They had a great season and they can only improve if the front office and the players and staff give themselves an opportunity to get better.
This is one helluva team and it could only get better with a chance to get better. I, for one, hope the member of this team dedicate themselves to improving defense and the execution of offense over the summer.
I believe in the continuity and quality of this roster and I believe this roster can only get better - if given the chance.
I have watched every game this year, and the only to not be disappointed is with that big final win.
So, I say - get behind them. Get behind the Nuggs. They had a great season and they can only improve if the front office and the players and staff give themselves an opportunity to get better.
by SpokenWar on May 30, 2009 6:13 AM MDT reply actions
I needed some positive remarks after I saw the Nuggets mail it in. Some players came into the game with the right mindset, e.g. Billups, Jones but some people are just lost e.g. Melo.
The fact that Melo is our franchise player, the fact that he played like this negatively impacts and trickles down to everyone else. Who cares if Jason Hart is playing lazy, we can just bench him. But Melo? The team's best player?
He would grimace like he is in pain when he's late to rotate to Lakers shooters, so it would make us watchers think, "Gosh Melo is in pain, he cannot move well." But give him the ball, and all of a sudden, he's not grimacing anymore, he's playing totally pain free, totally healthy 100%, and came this bound of energy from him. So where's the same energy and attitude on the other end? It couldn't be other than laziness.
For all I thought Melo has changed since Billups came, his old lazy ways came back to haunt himself and us. Can you imagine Dwyane Wade not giving his all? Even if the Heat were defeated in first round, at least the whole team played hard and Wade never took any minute off, let alone a full game. Can you imagine Kobe, heard to be saying "we have to play deperation basketball", saying to his teammates that there is a Game 7 so they don't have to play with a sense of urgency, just take it easy?
It's so disappointing after this "great season". It's like we're back in square one, after we took two/ three steps forward to make us contenders. It puts doubts into fans' minds whether if the Nuggets can ever win a championship with Melo as their best player. Again if Melo was a 2 ppg journeyman player, noone would care if he's lazy, coach can just bench him. But he's the team's best player, and who everyone on the team looks to.
It must be disappointing for Billups to have to go out like they gave in. I as a fan found it very disappointing to root for a team that went out like they gave up... If the Lakers had swept us 0-4 but we played like we did in the first two games of the series, and Game 4, when we gave it all, I would be proud of the Nuggets, no question. But now, I'm very disappointed, to be plain.
Even Jeff Van Gundy said it, the Nuggets need more energy, not from just J.R. Smith and Kenyon (who just did a putback dunk when he commented this).
I hope we do something in the summer just to make sure we have the roster of players who just want to play basketball and focused and know what the team wants to accomplish. At times, I don't think Melo really gets how important winning is to people outside himself.
- Snake -
The fact that Melo is our franchise player, the fact that he played like this negatively impacts and trickles down to everyone else. Who cares if Jason Hart is playing lazy, we can just bench him. But Melo? The team's best player?
He would grimace like he is in pain when he's late to rotate to Lakers shooters, so it would make us watchers think, "Gosh Melo is in pain, he cannot move well." But give him the ball, and all of a sudden, he's not grimacing anymore, he's playing totally pain free, totally healthy 100%, and came this bound of energy from him. So where's the same energy and attitude on the other end? It couldn't be other than laziness.
For all I thought Melo has changed since Billups came, his old lazy ways came back to haunt himself and us. Can you imagine Dwyane Wade not giving his all? Even if the Heat were defeated in first round, at least the whole team played hard and Wade never took any minute off, let alone a full game. Can you imagine Kobe, heard to be saying "we have to play deperation basketball", saying to his teammates that there is a Game 7 so they don't have to play with a sense of urgency, just take it easy?
It's so disappointing after this "great season". It's like we're back in square one, after we took two/ three steps forward to make us contenders. It puts doubts into fans' minds whether if the Nuggets can ever win a championship with Melo as their best player. Again if Melo was a 2 ppg journeyman player, noone would care if he's lazy, coach can just bench him. But he's the team's best player, and who everyone on the team looks to.
It must be disappointing for Billups to have to go out like they gave in. I as a fan found it very disappointing to root for a team that went out like they gave up... If the Lakers had swept us 0-4 but we played like we did in the first two games of the series, and Game 4, when we gave it all, I would be proud of the Nuggets, no question. But now, I'm very disappointed, to be plain.
Even Jeff Van Gundy said it, the Nuggets need more energy, not from just J.R. Smith and Kenyon (who just did a putback dunk when he commented this).
I hope we do something in the summer just to make sure we have the roster of players who just want to play basketball and focused and know what the team wants to accomplish. At times, I don't think Melo really gets how important winning is to people outside himself.
- Snake -
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 6:17 AM MDT reply actions
Fantastic post game 6 write up. I found this site a few weeks ago, and have been avidly reading after each game.
I agree with your perspective on the season as a whole -- this season really was magical.
The Nuggets are still probably a puzzle piece or two short. Nene is not really a true center. And on the bench.
By the way, this upcoming season, there is one football team worth cheering for -- CSU Football is on the rise. Go Rams. Go Nuggets.
I agree with your perspective on the season as a whole -- this season really was magical.
The Nuggets are still probably a puzzle piece or two short. Nene is not really a true center. And on the bench.
By the way, this upcoming season, there is one football team worth cheering for -- CSU Football is on the rise. Go Rams. Go Nuggets.
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 7:10 AM MDT reply actions
The way I saw the Nuggets is that somewhere thru the middle of the third in game 5, the mood, energy and the will to win just went out the window. To start the 4th in game 5 with a Laker 11-0 run, the Nuggets never rebounded. Last nights game was the way the Nuggets played post-season against the Lakers last year. There was no will to win.
Game 6-it's all on the line and the Nuggets didn't have it. I would love to know the real reasons why. Why did Billups make so many bone-headed passes/turnovers when he could have finished to the glass as he usually does ?
He appeared to me anyway, that he lost his focus.
I wonder if Karl said some seriously dumb-ass shit to take the wind out of their sails or were the players really hurting.
To me it's a mystery why the Nuggets traded out their Jerseys the last 5 1/2 quarters of the remarkable post-season.
However- I was more than proud to see the Nuggets rise to the level they did.
Game 6-it's all on the line and the Nuggets didn't have it. I would love to know the real reasons why. Why did Billups make so many bone-headed passes/turnovers when he could have finished to the glass as he usually does ?
He appeared to me anyway, that he lost his focus.
I wonder if Karl said some seriously dumb-ass shit to take the wind out of their sails or were the players really hurting.
To me it's a mystery why the Nuggets traded out their Jerseys the last 5 1/2 quarters of the remarkable post-season.
However- I was more than proud to see the Nuggets rise to the level they did.
by markp on May 30, 2009 7:37 AM MDT reply actions
In a home game 6 in the WCF, you have to show up. No excuses. You need to win that game. If you go back to LA and lose it in 7, I would understand.
The problem is this: we do not know when we will get back to the WFC. It may take another couple of decades. Chauncey isn't getting any younger. They're right at the cap.
The Nuggets folded like a tent.
Yes, I'm proud of this team for exceeding expectations. But that was a horrible ending to a wonderful season. I no longer live in Denver. Nice folks at the bar took the time to say "I'm sorry" to me several times. They were very kind. But it still hurt.
Why must the Lakers of this world always win?
A lot was at stake for us. Again, I have no problem with losing the series. I do have a problem with the way we lost it.
The problem is this: we do not know when we will get back to the WFC. It may take another couple of decades. Chauncey isn't getting any younger. They're right at the cap.
The Nuggets folded like a tent.
Yes, I'm proud of this team for exceeding expectations. But that was a horrible ending to a wonderful season. I no longer live in Denver. Nice folks at the bar took the time to say "I'm sorry" to me several times. They were very kind. But it still hurt.
Why must the Lakers of this world always win?
A lot was at stake for us. Again, I have no problem with losing the series. I do have a problem with the way we lost it.
by Dave on May 30, 2009 7:42 AM MDT reply actions
Fuck. Off. Lakers. Fans. Get over your fuckin' selves you dick riding faggots.
by Jack on May 30, 2009 7:56 AM MDT reply actions
I have to agree with your urinal friend at Coors Field. As a Laker fan, there's no way I would've stuck around. I've been there. I know what this team is capable of, and if they don't live up to their full potential, they don't deserve my applause. I was disgusted with their Game 6 performance of the finals last year, and trust me, if it had taken place at Staples and I was there, there wouldn't be too many Laker fans staying around to clap the Lakers to the locker room. It was embarassing for the Lakers, but also to the Laker Nation.
I guess that's the difference between Lakers fans and Nuggets fans. We want the championship and won't settle for anything less.
Also, your commentary is very funny, because I check it after every Nuggets loss to read you writhe in pain. I respect a lot of players on your team, but am very glad to have defeated you. I'd pay a million bucks to see a video of Dahntay Jones crying himself to sleep after this.
I guess that's the difference between Lakers fans and Nuggets fans. We want the championship and won't settle for anything less.
Also, your commentary is very funny, because I check it after every Nuggets loss to read you writhe in pain. I respect a lot of players on your team, but am very glad to have defeated you. I'd pay a million bucks to see a video of Dahntay Jones crying himself to sleep after this.
by Don on May 30, 2009 8:11 AM MDT reply actions
^Exactly while we're grateful for the season the Nuggets have had, at least for 82 games + the first two rounds + the first two games of the WCF, the last three games (exacluding game 4) of the WCF has been nothing but a disappointment.
Lack of energy, lack of focus, lack of determination, lack of effort... even Billups was also playing so un-Billups-like.
I'm not scapegoating anyone, but who has biggest influence on the team on all than Carmelo Anthony. This guy is just plain lazy. He's hurting or looking like hurting like someone who has his bones broken into pieces/ like Allen Iverson in 2001 playing with broken bones on the defensive end. Then when he gets the ball all of a sudden he's not hurting anymore, he suddenly regains his energy and displays boundless of it... this is just a player who doesn't want to play defense, just to put it bluntly.
I know you'll point to the season and first two rounds of the playoffs and first two games of WCF that Melo has improved defensively and mentally... but to be honest, what's the point of 82 + so so games if in the most important, last few games he reverted back to his old ways? What's the point if we win 70 games next season only to see Melo do the same thing in the playoffs and we get defeated yet again in WCF, or maybe in Round 2, because of piss poor effort?
Again, if Melo was not the team's best player, and if he wasn't important, this wouldn't be a discussion. THE FACT THAT MELO IS IMPORTANT is why he should know to bring it every night.
In comparison, LeBron knows he can make about 5 - 10 times more if he's in New York to marketing and promotions than in Cleveland. But does he play and act like he shouldn't give it all? LeBron still plays 100% every night. This is what I want Melo to see.
It's the vibe that he's unhappy about something. Maybe he should don another uniform where he can be happy to produce 100% because make no mistake we will never win a championship with our best player not giving his all in the team's most important game. He has the audacity to feel like it's within his right to come out and give less than 100%. Did anyone in the organization upset Carmelo? did they not give him his birthday cake? Was there no tissue roll in the toilet he was in? Did they wake his dog up? Did they
What do we (Nuggets and Nugget fans) deserve for this treatment from Carmelo Anthony?
Again, I would really really be proud of the Nuggets and Melo if he (and consequently "we") could play like he did in the first two games of the WCF, the first two rounds of the playoffs, the first 82 games. But he chose to not give his all in the franchise most important moment... what could be more disappointing than that?
- Snake -
Lack of energy, lack of focus, lack of determination, lack of effort... even Billups was also playing so un-Billups-like.
I'm not scapegoating anyone, but who has biggest influence on the team on all than Carmelo Anthony. This guy is just plain lazy. He's hurting or looking like hurting like someone who has his bones broken into pieces/ like Allen Iverson in 2001 playing with broken bones on the defensive end. Then when he gets the ball all of a sudden he's not hurting anymore, he suddenly regains his energy and displays boundless of it... this is just a player who doesn't want to play defense, just to put it bluntly.
I know you'll point to the season and first two rounds of the playoffs and first two games of WCF that Melo has improved defensively and mentally... but to be honest, what's the point of 82 + so so games if in the most important, last few games he reverted back to his old ways? What's the point if we win 70 games next season only to see Melo do the same thing in the playoffs and we get defeated yet again in WCF, or maybe in Round 2, because of piss poor effort?
Again, if Melo was not the team's best player, and if he wasn't important, this wouldn't be a discussion. THE FACT THAT MELO IS IMPORTANT is why he should know to bring it every night.
In comparison, LeBron knows he can make about 5 - 10 times more if he's in New York to marketing and promotions than in Cleveland. But does he play and act like he shouldn't give it all? LeBron still plays 100% every night. This is what I want Melo to see.
It's the vibe that he's unhappy about something. Maybe he should don another uniform where he can be happy to produce 100% because make no mistake we will never win a championship with our best player not giving his all in the team's most important game. He has the audacity to feel like it's within his right to come out and give less than 100%. Did anyone in the organization upset Carmelo? did they not give him his birthday cake? Was there no tissue roll in the toilet he was in? Did they wake his dog up? Did they
What do we (Nuggets and Nugget fans) deserve for this treatment from Carmelo Anthony?
Again, I would really really be proud of the Nuggets and Melo if he (and consequently "we") could play like he did in the first two games of the WCF, the first two rounds of the playoffs, the first 82 games. But he chose to not give his all in the franchise most important moment... what could be more disappointing than that?
- Snake -
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 8:19 AM MDT reply actions
You guys are unbelievable
Yes...Melo had bad last two and a half games (he played reasonably well in game 5...remember he had 31 points) but you are forgetting he basically carried us through the Dallas series and the first two games of this series.
I can't believe how this loss is completely blinding you guys to the facts. CHAUNCEY had a HORRIBLE game 5....and you aren't blaming him one bit. He didn't exactly show up in game 6 either. Come on Nuggets fans...you guys are better than the overly cynical and negative comments I've seen thus far.
My message to you guys is....stop using Melo as a whipping boy for the big disappointments.
Yes...Melo had bad last two and a half games (he played reasonably well in game 5...remember he had 31 points) but you are forgetting he basically carried us through the Dallas series and the first two games of this series.
I can't believe how this loss is completely blinding you guys to the facts. CHAUNCEY had a HORRIBLE game 5....and you aren't blaming him one bit. He didn't exactly show up in game 6 either. Come on Nuggets fans...you guys are better than the overly cynical and negative comments I've seen thus far.
My message to you guys is....stop using Melo as a whipping boy for the big disappointments.
by Jeff on May 30, 2009 9:23 AM MDT reply actions
After the Rockies were swept out by Boston, I thought about recess in elementary school. The bell would ring, and recess would end. But, alot of us would play a little longer. We'd let the other kids run off the playground and we'd keep playing...as long as possible. That's all a kid wants--to play a little longer. In 2007, the Rockies were swept, sure. But, they were the last ones off the playground. This year, the Nuggets stayed on the playground longer than almost everyone. And we were out there with them. The Denver Nuggets weren't the last ones out there. Almost though. Thanks Nuggets.
by darren on May 30, 2009 9:25 AM MDT reply actions
We need to learn how to win elimination games. Games where WE face elimination. Since Melo joined the Nuggets, Melo's team is now 0-6 when facing elimination in the Playoffs. Not only that, here are the scores from those eliminatin games: 2004 - 102-91, 2005 - 99-89, 2006 - 101-83, 2007 - 93-78, 2008 - 107-101, and last night's game for 2009. This is where we need to improve next season. Fighting through adversity and rising to the challenge. It is highly unlikely a team will make it all the way to the Finals without having to win an elimination game. Oh, and Karl is now 0-5 in elimination games when coaching the Nuggets.
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 9:27 AM MDT reply actions
Don - you're not a Lakers fan. You're a fan of whoever has the lead in the game at that moment, whoever has the lead in the series at that time, and whoever is holding the trophy at the end of the series. That's why you'll leave when the Lakers are losing, you have to go home and put on your Red Wings jersey and your Yankees cap. It makes you feel like a winner, even though you are just one big loser.
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 9:31 AM MDT reply actions
I guess GN is still sleeping off the hangover...
First, Thank You to the Nuggets for a great season. I was thinking the same think as Andrew - if you told me in November that they would go 6 games into the WCF, I would have been ecstatic. Plus, the whole team raised their profile - like the Hornets last year, so Melo can look forward to All Star status, calls, and the All-NBA team.
Jeff, if G.K. steps down, that would be almost as big an improvement as the A.I./Billups trade. I hope you are right, but I doubt he's going anywhere.
The theory coming into the playoffs was that the Lakers were too long for the Nuggets. I think that finally played out in games 5 and 6. They have 3 seven footers, Denver has none. Denver had no one who could guard Bryant or Gasol one on one. They started double teaming but aren't good at it because they don't do it often.
I hope that this loss lights a fire under the team and they use it for motivation all off season and next season, the way the Lakers and the Cavs did this season.
I look forward to the future posts on the construction of these team next year. I'll give a couple of thoughts now. First, they need a true center who can post up and play defense on a 7 footer. To get him, you either use the $10 million trade exemption or in a swap of bad contracts for K-Mart. That lets Nene play his true position. Maybe they can get Kamane or Shaq in a multiteam trade. Second, they need to upgrade the backup point guard. Someone who Billups can groom and who has the size to be effective defensively on two guards. This is not a deep draft, but it is deep on point guards, so trade into the round and get one. Keep A.C. for the early part of the season while the rookie is learning. D. Jones spends the offseason becoming a true defensive stopper, developing a consistent 3, and realizing he isn't a superstar. J.R. Smith hits the weight room and works on his defense. Anthony dedicates to defense and improving his left hand. Billups rests. K-mart gets traded or mentally prepares himself to be a bench player. G.K. realizes his heart isn't in it and retires.....
First, Thank You to the Nuggets for a great season. I was thinking the same think as Andrew - if you told me in November that they would go 6 games into the WCF, I would have been ecstatic. Plus, the whole team raised their profile - like the Hornets last year, so Melo can look forward to All Star status, calls, and the All-NBA team.
Jeff, if G.K. steps down, that would be almost as big an improvement as the A.I./Billups trade. I hope you are right, but I doubt he's going anywhere.
The theory coming into the playoffs was that the Lakers were too long for the Nuggets. I think that finally played out in games 5 and 6. They have 3 seven footers, Denver has none. Denver had no one who could guard Bryant or Gasol one on one. They started double teaming but aren't good at it because they don't do it often.
I hope that this loss lights a fire under the team and they use it for motivation all off season and next season, the way the Lakers and the Cavs did this season.
I look forward to the future posts on the construction of these team next year. I'll give a couple of thoughts now. First, they need a true center who can post up and play defense on a 7 footer. To get him, you either use the $10 million trade exemption or in a swap of bad contracts for K-Mart. That lets Nene play his true position. Maybe they can get Kamane or Shaq in a multiteam trade. Second, they need to upgrade the backup point guard. Someone who Billups can groom and who has the size to be effective defensively on two guards. This is not a deep draft, but it is deep on point guards, so trade into the round and get one. Keep A.C. for the early part of the season while the rookie is learning. D. Jones spends the offseason becoming a true defensive stopper, developing a consistent 3, and realizing he isn't a superstar. J.R. Smith hits the weight room and works on his defense. Anthony dedicates to defense and improving his left hand. Billups rests. K-mart gets traded or mentally prepares himself to be a bench player. G.K. realizes his heart isn't in it and retires.....
by KarlSucks on May 30, 2009 9:32 AM MDT reply actions
First off, GREAT season by the Nuggies. It was a joy to watch.
What I am curious about is where we go from here. I know we just got sent home, but I really want to know what free agents are out there this offseason, as I fully believe that the Nuggets are one, maybe two players away from being a legitimate contender.
I'm of the opinion that Stan Kroenke loves this team, and is willing to spend money to make this team great. He wants to win. He got bashed last year for the salary slashing moves, but he did that because (I think) he wasn't getting a return on his investment. Can you blame him? I wouldn't pay the luxury tax to get swept out of the first round either.
But we're not in Kansas anymore. Not by a long shot. I believe, or at the very least I hope that we will go out and get a free agent to bolster the team. I don't know our salary cap situation, I don't know which Nuggets will need to be resigned (besides Birdman) and I don't know what the free agent pool will look like, but we have a golden opportunity right now to be great, and I think Kroenke and Rex Chapman will take advantage of it. Money isn't the issue; Kroenke married into the Waltons (of Wal-Mart fame) and he has the dough. But like any smart business man, he wants a return. Well he's getting one now, and he can get some serious hardware next year if we make the right moves this offseason.
I'm pumped! I mean, OK, last night I had to drink my sorrows away due to the Nuggets not even competing in the last game, but come on. Let's get this going Irish wake style. They had a great season, and should only get better in the offseason.
What I am curious about is where we go from here. I know we just got sent home, but I really want to know what free agents are out there this offseason, as I fully believe that the Nuggets are one, maybe two players away from being a legitimate contender.
I'm of the opinion that Stan Kroenke loves this team, and is willing to spend money to make this team great. He wants to win. He got bashed last year for the salary slashing moves, but he did that because (I think) he wasn't getting a return on his investment. Can you blame him? I wouldn't pay the luxury tax to get swept out of the first round either.
But we're not in Kansas anymore. Not by a long shot. I believe, or at the very least I hope that we will go out and get a free agent to bolster the team. I don't know our salary cap situation, I don't know which Nuggets will need to be resigned (besides Birdman) and I don't know what the free agent pool will look like, but we have a golden opportunity right now to be great, and I think Kroenke and Rex Chapman will take advantage of it. Money isn't the issue; Kroenke married into the Waltons (of Wal-Mart fame) and he has the dough. But like any smart business man, he wants a return. Well he's getting one now, and he can get some serious hardware next year if we make the right moves this offseason.
I'm pumped! I mean, OK, last night I had to drink my sorrows away due to the Nuggets not even competing in the last game, but come on. Let's get this going Irish wake style. They had a great season, and should only get better in the offseason.
by Chris C. on May 30, 2009 9:35 AM MDT reply actions
Last night I had a dream that I was at the Pepsi Center, telling anyone who would listen that they need to hang on to the team and gut the coaching staff.
It was strange... very strange.
But now that I'm awake I'd have to say, well, to keep the team and gut the coaching staff. Bring in a new coach, have him bring in his assistants, and then figure out what personnel adjustments may need to be made.
We still need a big man, dammit. I don't know who, but we need it. (Oh, and did Nene really break his left forearm last night???)
We need a system, too. Something to get Nene and Melo easy shots. Van Gundy kept talking about the triangle offense, and NEVER mentioned anything about Denver's offensive system... BECAUSE WE DON"T HAVE ONE.
George Karl cannot relate to his players. Did anyone catch his pre-game speech? Chauncey was sitting in the background and looked bored out of his skull. I think he may have even yawned.
And as far as the crowd goes, people were leaving because they were on the bandwagon. They probably won't even be around next year. Had I been there I would have cheered extra hard at the end, just for the enjoyment and thrill I was *privileged* to this season, and especially post-season.
I am so happy that this season became so memorable. Let's not forget that we redefined Nuggets basketball in the first two series, and we're good enough to wallop 98% of the league next season if we keep our heads on straight.
Thank You, Nuggets, for making me feel like I was 18 years old again. I forgot how much fun it is to get caught up in an NBA basketball season.
Thank You, Andrew, for providing a water cooler for us to gather around. This blog is now yet another reason why it's great to live in Denver.
And Thank You, Stiff regulars, for sharing this season with me and adding a new dimension to how I watch the Nuggets. I hope we will all be together for many seasons to come.
Looking forward to the summer posts.
The best is yet to come.
GO NUGGETS!!!
It was strange... very strange.
But now that I'm awake I'd have to say, well, to keep the team and gut the coaching staff. Bring in a new coach, have him bring in his assistants, and then figure out what personnel adjustments may need to be made.
We still need a big man, dammit. I don't know who, but we need it. (Oh, and did Nene really break his left forearm last night???)
We need a system, too. Something to get Nene and Melo easy shots. Van Gundy kept talking about the triangle offense, and NEVER mentioned anything about Denver's offensive system... BECAUSE WE DON"T HAVE ONE.
George Karl cannot relate to his players. Did anyone catch his pre-game speech? Chauncey was sitting in the background and looked bored out of his skull. I think he may have even yawned.
And as far as the crowd goes, people were leaving because they were on the bandwagon. They probably won't even be around next year. Had I been there I would have cheered extra hard at the end, just for the enjoyment and thrill I was *privileged* to this season, and especially post-season.
I am so happy that this season became so memorable. Let's not forget that we redefined Nuggets basketball in the first two series, and we're good enough to wallop 98% of the league next season if we keep our heads on straight.
Thank You, Nuggets, for making me feel like I was 18 years old again. I forgot how much fun it is to get caught up in an NBA basketball season.
Thank You, Andrew, for providing a water cooler for us to gather around. This blog is now yet another reason why it's great to live in Denver.
And Thank You, Stiff regulars, for sharing this season with me and adding a new dimension to how I watch the Nuggets. I hope we will all be together for many seasons to come.
Looking forward to the summer posts.
The best is yet to come.
GO NUGGETS!!!
by Do We Have Any Plays? on May 30, 2009 11:06 AM MDT reply actions
DWHAP?,
If they get a new coach and install a system with actual plays, we'll both have to change our names.
Hopefully, that new system will also include a few inbounds plays.
If they get a new coach and install a system with actual plays, we'll both have to change our names.
Hopefully, that new system will also include a few inbounds plays.
by KarlSucks on May 30, 2009 11:16 AM MDT reply actions
What a great season. Thanks again to all of the regular posters who made it a lot more fun for me.
The Nuggets finished as one of the top 4 teams in the league. Nothing to be dissapointed about especially when you consider how we looked going into the season. Sure did make some pundits look sheepish.
We certainly did benefit from our Division title as the plyoff seeds fleshed out; we didn't have to play Portland or Utah and the Rockets were dessimated by injuries. It may not be so easy to do next year.
My concern is that our lack of length cost us big time and Portland and the Lakers will be back with plenty of it. To contend again next year I think we need a bigger starting center and a true back up point guard (please).
Have a great summer. I look forward to next season.
The Nuggets finished as one of the top 4 teams in the league. Nothing to be dissapointed about especially when you consider how we looked going into the season. Sure did make some pundits look sheepish.
We certainly did benefit from our Division title as the plyoff seeds fleshed out; we didn't have to play Portland or Utah and the Rockets were dessimated by injuries. It may not be so easy to do next year.
My concern is that our lack of length cost us big time and Portland and the Lakers will be back with plenty of it. To contend again next year I think we need a bigger starting center and a true back up point guard (please).
Have a great summer. I look forward to next season.
by My3Cents on May 30, 2009 12:27 PM MDT reply actions
I am happy for the great season we had. i am disappointed that we didnt make it further because i thought we had the team to do it. however, Anthony Carter needs to GO! he should never see the floor. he is absolutely terrible. karl's substitutions are mind boggling at times. you can always count on AC to turn it over or miss a shot. again, AC has got to go. if he is around next year i think i will end up putting a lamp through my TV by the 4th game of the season. seriously, i dont know one person that does not despise AC, yet his piss-poor play gets no mention in the papers or on blogs. wtf!
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions
It has been a great season. I have a hard time understanding how we just dropped the last 2 games in the fashion in which we did, when we were so close the first 2. Something about that just doesn't sit well with me. It almost seemed as though we were satisfied with where we were at and that we didn't feel we needed to work any more. The problem with this is that when you are part of a franchise that only makes the Conference Finals every 25 years you have to size the moment. Chauncey wasn't even present the whole series which is what cost us the series. Remember when we were rolling over the competition? Chauncey was leading, playing the best ball on the team then. Melo, for his 25 b-day, should have done more. I hated how in the press conference afterwords someone asked him if he could have done more and he laughed and said something along the lines of "What do you expect me to do? I scored 25 points, what more do you want?" Well Melo, you are expected to do what you have to do to secure us a win, and if that means scoring 50, then score 50!!!
Anyways, I don't know what I am complaining about. It's done and over. We had a great season, and that is what we will all remember.
It does suck that the Lakers now have a great chance at winning it all. I hate the Lakers.
As for the off-season. Priority #1 should be to resign Birdman. Let Kleiza, Dhante and Carter go and then draft a PG in the draft, even if that means having to move up. There are way too many good PGs in this draft to pass up on. I am hoping Collison drops to us, but if not then Vasquez would be a good option but he likely won't stay in the draft if he drops to the 2nd round. Personally I would have no problem if we traded up to around the 15th to 20th picks to snag someone like Maynor or Flynn.
And as for the talk about being here again in the years to come. Not so fast people. You have got to remember the Spurs and Rockets were both injured. Both of those teams will come back strong next year. You also have to take into account trades and up and coming teams like the Blazers and Warriors. Don't get me wrong, we have a great chance, but to say we are guaranteed to be a contender next year is a little premature if you ask me.
Again, great season, I will remember it for a long time. Hopefully we can make some good moves in the off-season and be back here again next year.
R.I.P 2008/2009 Denver Nuggets...
Anyways, I don't know what I am complaining about. It's done and over. We had a great season, and that is what we will all remember.
It does suck that the Lakers now have a great chance at winning it all. I hate the Lakers.
As for the off-season. Priority #1 should be to resign Birdman. Let Kleiza, Dhante and Carter go and then draft a PG in the draft, even if that means having to move up. There are way too many good PGs in this draft to pass up on. I am hoping Collison drops to us, but if not then Vasquez would be a good option but he likely won't stay in the draft if he drops to the 2nd round. Personally I would have no problem if we traded up to around the 15th to 20th picks to snag someone like Maynor or Flynn.
And as for the talk about being here again in the years to come. Not so fast people. You have got to remember the Spurs and Rockets were both injured. Both of those teams will come back strong next year. You also have to take into account trades and up and coming teams like the Blazers and Warriors. Don't get me wrong, we have a great chance, but to say we are guaranteed to be a contender next year is a little premature if you ask me.
Again, great season, I will remember it for a long time. Hopefully we can make some good moves in the off-season and be back here again next year.
R.I.P 2008/2009 Denver Nuggets...
by Goldennugget on May 30, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions
Hey Andy just wanted to say your post really did a great job of acknowledging the good and putting things in perspective. Thanks for your contributions this season too.
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 1:22 PM MDT reply actions
The Nuggets had a terrific season..
But last night was just disturbing.. It's good that you have a long memory, but last night was a memory-erasing display of defeat from the start that actually reminded me of the Nuggets of old.
People are saying that the Nuggets clearly aren't ready for the Finals... But were they not considered perhaps the best team left a few days ago?
They're just not ready-- that's really the only way to feel good about the whole situation. It doesn't work for me- what I saw was, call me wrong, no desire to win 2 more games, as if it was unfair...
I saw barely any confidence, little effort, and whereas the end of game 5 made me steam a tad, game 6 left me the same way the Nuggets felt- uncaring, oh-well-ing..
The Nuggets clearly didn't deserve the finals, but no one deserved what might be one of the worst games I've ever seen.
It sort of bothers me that no one is calling these guys out- I'm sure they realize the crap effort they employed.. but still.. some sports writer's jobs require a call out and I'm yet to read anything that acknowledges both a great season but a seriously horrible and nearly unforgivable game.
But last night was just disturbing.. It's good that you have a long memory, but last night was a memory-erasing display of defeat from the start that actually reminded me of the Nuggets of old.
People are saying that the Nuggets clearly aren't ready for the Finals... But were they not considered perhaps the best team left a few days ago?
They're just not ready-- that's really the only way to feel good about the whole situation. It doesn't work for me- what I saw was, call me wrong, no desire to win 2 more games, as if it was unfair...
I saw barely any confidence, little effort, and whereas the end of game 5 made me steam a tad, game 6 left me the same way the Nuggets felt- uncaring, oh-well-ing..
The Nuggets clearly didn't deserve the finals, but no one deserved what might be one of the worst games I've ever seen.
It sort of bothers me that no one is calling these guys out- I'm sure they realize the crap effort they employed.. but still.. some sports writer's jobs require a call out and I'm yet to read anything that acknowledges both a great season but a seriously horrible and nearly unforgivable game.
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 1:51 PM MDT reply actions
Thnx nuggies for a great season. Last night was very painful, yet I keep trying to remember the great season we had. Nobody including myself thought the team would go this far. Here's to improving in the offseason and coming back stronger next year. I think one thing they need next year is to push the home court advantage up a notch. When teams come into the can, they need to lose. Go nuggies 09/10
by Melonugg on May 30, 2009 2:01 PM MDT reply actions
Reading these comments is a painful experience for me. Rather than taking the view that the Nuggets need to learn how to win to get to the finals (ala the 89 to 91 Bulls and the 86 to 88 Pistons) people are ready to walk to the top of Republic Plaza and throw themselves off. Maybe "fans" need to learn the bigger picture and learn to have confidence in their teams.
Listen...who had the Nuggets making the playoffs this year at all? Very few. Andrew had them sneaking in at 8...and even that was like pulling teeth. We get Chauncey and we learned to win in the regular season.
Many people had us losing to New Orleans....We kicked their ass. Many people thought we'd fold against the Mavs....we kicked their ass and should have swept them.
We SHOULD have beat the Lakers but quite frankly we didn't know how to close the deal. Yes...the Nuggets played an awful game last night but ya know what? They should have been up 3-1 going into that game 5. We all knew it...hell, even the Lakers knew it. The Lakers managed to give us respect after the game (not their bandwagon frontrunning fans) and it was a genuine respect. They knew we by rights SHOULD have beaten them.
Defeatism never helps anyone....and the defeatism going on here is sad. That's not how you learn to win.
Listen...who had the Nuggets making the playoffs this year at all? Very few. Andrew had them sneaking in at 8...and even that was like pulling teeth. We get Chauncey and we learned to win in the regular season.
Many people had us losing to New Orleans....We kicked their ass. Many people thought we'd fold against the Mavs....we kicked their ass and should have swept them.
We SHOULD have beat the Lakers but quite frankly we didn't know how to close the deal. Yes...the Nuggets played an awful game last night but ya know what? They should have been up 3-1 going into that game 5. We all knew it...hell, even the Lakers knew it. The Lakers managed to give us respect after the game (not their bandwagon frontrunning fans) and it was a genuine respect. They knew we by rights SHOULD have beaten them.
Defeatism never helps anyone....and the defeatism going on here is sad. That's not how you learn to win.
by Jeff on May 30, 2009 2:54 PM MDT reply actions
I'm pretty sure they don't think that the Nuggets SHOULD have beaten them. This notion has never made sense to me really--
For those who are writing emotionally based off of last night's game-- I completely understand. It's a kind of game that makes you want to forget about the season.
But hey, we'll settle down, think about the goods, and hope that somehow they never have that kind of game again ever ever ever.
One of the most lifeless performances.. and they were facing elimination! man oh man.
But hey, great season truly.
It's worsened by that game.
The season would have been better had they played hard in that game.
But overall, great season.
For those who are writing emotionally based off of last night's game-- I completely understand. It's a kind of game that makes you want to forget about the season.
But hey, we'll settle down, think about the goods, and hope that somehow they never have that kind of game again ever ever ever.
One of the most lifeless performances.. and they were facing elimination! man oh man.
But hey, great season truly.
It's worsened by that game.
The season would have been better had they played hard in that game.
But overall, great season.
by Scout Finch on May 30, 2009 3:23 PM MDT reply actions
What a great run for the Nuggets. We finished 10-6, Beat the Hornets by 58 pts in a game, Knocked out Dallas in five! Played an OK series against the Lakers (until the 4th qtr of game 5 and last night). Melo's D at times looked great. JR is getting smarter driving to the basket and shooting jump shots. I'm going to enjoy this and think this team has a shot of getting back to the WCF next year (probably against the Lakers too). Let's go for 60+ wins next year!
by Kevin G-Money on May 30, 2009 6:28 PM MDT reply actions
The Nuggets truly had an amazing season inspite of "headwinds" created by a coach whose is terribly over-rated. What happened this week was the clear result of disciplined coaching and leadership that triumphed over disfunctional confusion. Of course, Phil Jackson's cerebral approach to basketball is unique to the history of the NBA. George Karl, on the other hand, relies on a total gut approach to just about everything and he certainly is not capable of motivating people.
All year long, Karl stuck primarily with a 8 or 9 man rotation during a game. Eventually, this catches up as players have off-nights or injuries. Karl also lacks the ability to develop players and fails to see the strengths that certain reserves bring in spot situations. Karl has done little, if anything, to mentor Mello over the past 4 years. Karl should share the responsibility relative to Anthony's lack of intensity in the past 2 games. The team's lack of focus and discipline is reason for the number of technical fouls during the season and the playoffs. a Kroenke deserves an "F" for sticking with his buddy George. I simply cannot understand that he does not recognize that a team will never be able to go all the way with Karl at the helm.
The Nuggets' front office did an excellent job bringing this unit together. I just have to wonder if they're frustrated since Karl doesn't use the talent that they gave him. I also believe that Chauncey stepped in as a true assistant coach and did more to direct the team to its level of success than Karl is credited with by the media.
The Nuggets certainly breezed past the Hornets and Mavs, although those teams had injury problems to key players. The media, along with naive "band-wagon" fans, annointed the Nuggets as the team that could beat the Lakers. I have to admit, it was great to see the frenzy that the team created as there have been so many years that the Nuggets were only a footnote in the newspaper or the last report on the TV sports broadcast.
So as we head into the off-season, let's hope that Bird and LK will be back. Most importantly, let's pray that Kroenke will wake up and bring a new coaching staff that will recognize the talent that is on the entire roster and form a leadership team that has a multi-dimensional approach to each game.
All year long, Karl stuck primarily with a 8 or 9 man rotation during a game. Eventually, this catches up as players have off-nights or injuries. Karl also lacks the ability to develop players and fails to see the strengths that certain reserves bring in spot situations. Karl has done little, if anything, to mentor Mello over the past 4 years. Karl should share the responsibility relative to Anthony's lack of intensity in the past 2 games. The team's lack of focus and discipline is reason for the number of technical fouls during the season and the playoffs. a Kroenke deserves an "F" for sticking with his buddy George. I simply cannot understand that he does not recognize that a team will never be able to go all the way with Karl at the helm.
The Nuggets' front office did an excellent job bringing this unit together. I just have to wonder if they're frustrated since Karl doesn't use the talent that they gave him. I also believe that Chauncey stepped in as a true assistant coach and did more to direct the team to its level of success than Karl is credited with by the media.
The Nuggets certainly breezed past the Hornets and Mavs, although those teams had injury problems to key players. The media, along with naive "band-wagon" fans, annointed the Nuggets as the team that could beat the Lakers. I have to admit, it was great to see the frenzy that the team created as there have been so many years that the Nuggets were only a footnote in the newspaper or the last report on the TV sports broadcast.
So as we head into the off-season, let's hope that Bird and LK will be back. Most importantly, let's pray that Kroenke will wake up and bring a new coaching staff that will recognize the talent that is on the entire roster and form a leadership team that has a multi-dimensional approach to each game.
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 7:25 PM MDT reply actions
Again you guys need to distinguish between "how you lose a game" and "you lose a game".
Like I said, I wouldn't mind if Lakers had swept the Nuggets IF Nuggets actually showed up in all four games.
But the way went out, in Game 5 and 6, was absolutely disappointing. It's Nuggets pre-Chauncey Billups all over again. We thought we had the right team, but the way the closed it like they mailed it in was unacceptable, NO MATTER HOW IMPRESSIVE HAS BEEN, NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS AND FIRST TWO GAMES OF WCF WERE.
They reverted back to Nuggets B.C. (before Chauncey). THE WAY THEY LOST TO THE LAKERS, was unacceptable. Nothing to be proud of. It's enough to undo the good things and vibes from the season and previous rounds.
- Snake -
Like I said, I wouldn't mind if Lakers had swept the Nuggets IF Nuggets actually showed up in all four games.
But the way went out, in Game 5 and 6, was absolutely disappointing. It's Nuggets pre-Chauncey Billups all over again. We thought we had the right team, but the way the closed it like they mailed it in was unacceptable, NO MATTER HOW IMPRESSIVE HAS BEEN, NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS AND FIRST TWO GAMES OF WCF WERE.
They reverted back to Nuggets B.C. (before Chauncey). THE WAY THEY LOST TO THE LAKERS, was unacceptable. Nothing to be proud of. It's enough to undo the good things and vibes from the season and previous rounds.
- Snake -
by Franky on May 30, 2009 8:54 PM MDT reply actions
And let's not forget, our magical season was mainly fueled by Chauncey homecoming. He was driven and determined to run and "coach" this team all season long.
I seriously doubt the theme of this team will still remain "Chauncey homecoming" again next season.
At one point, Chauncey's own fuel is going to run out. We played all season long on that momentum. I doubt we will use that again next season.
The road is going to be tougher, Portland is going to get better, as almost all West teams are.
We have to resign (Birdman), score a free agent (Hedo Turkoglu) or steal another trade (unloading KMart should be priority), use the Camby trade exception (Okafor/ Hinrich) again by some magic. But don't really count on it.
- Snake -
I seriously doubt the theme of this team will still remain "Chauncey homecoming" again next season.
At one point, Chauncey's own fuel is going to run out. We played all season long on that momentum. I doubt we will use that again next season.
The road is going to be tougher, Portland is going to get better, as almost all West teams are.
We have to resign (Birdman), score a free agent (Hedo Turkoglu) or steal another trade (unloading KMart should be priority), use the Camby trade exception (Okafor/ Hinrich) again by some magic. But don't really count on it.
- Snake -
by Anonymous on May 30, 2009 9:00 PM MDT reply actions
So, if I follow the logic expressed in some of these posts, Lebron "mailed it in" tonite, because his team trailed from wire to wire & they never stopped DHoward. So, just like Kobe- they literally watched as Howard dominated! What a load of BS! Can sports fans be any more stupid? Teams LOSE, they get tired both mentally & physically, which is what happened to our Nuggs! WTF- are we meant to win every game? Some perspective is very much in order, guys! Lets get real- the Nuggs had a great season, & this is step 1 in whats usually a loonngg process. Just ask the Pistons, Bulls, heck, even the Lakers from last year! Lets all calm down, & grow up!
by KaiserSoze on May 30, 2009 9:48 PM MDT reply actions
Thank you Kaiser! That's what I've been saying. It's a process to learn HOW to win.
I saw a Cleveland team do something very similar to what the Nuggets did last night....very lackluster performance. But does that mean LBJ mailed it in? Come on!!
I saw a Cleveland team do something very similar to what the Nuggets did last night....very lackluster performance. But does that mean LBJ mailed it in? Come on!!
by Jeff on May 30, 2009 10:18 PM MDT reply actions
I believe the key for next year will be to add a starting center that can block shots, play solid post defense, and clean-up Melo and Smith's perimeter mistakes. If I were part of the Nuggets FO cabal, I would pursue a trade of Kenyon Martin for such a starting center (Camby, Rasheed, Dalembert, and Shaq all come to mind). This kind of trade would give the Nuggs the defenive presence in the starting 5 that they need and allow Nene to move to his natural position of Power Forward, where I believe he could dominate on the offensive and defensive ends. I know Martin's contract makes him tough to trade, but he may have some value this off-season because he was injury-free and showed the ability to be a rugged power forward presence. Birdman blocks shots with his energy off the bench, but the Nuggs need a starter that can protect the rim and guard the taller post players in Los Angelas. And, Nene needs a move to his natural position.
by ACE III on May 31, 2009 9:41 AM MDT reply actions
i didn't read all the comments so someone might have mentioned this
ACEIII mentioned Sheed, n since Chauncey used to be his teammate i think it's possible for Sheed to sign wit us on vets minimum
this is just a pipe dream but it seems a bit realistic
ACEIII mentioned Sheed, n since Chauncey used to be his teammate i think it's possible for Sheed to sign wit us on vets minimum
this is just a pipe dream but it seems a bit realistic
by Bektur on May 31, 2009 10:46 AM MDT reply actions
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