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Hoping Karl proves his doubters wrong...

I had dinner with my parents and a few of their friends on Thursday night, all of whom are Nuggets season ticket holders. When the topic of how the Nuggets finished the season at Portland came up, I heard the following: "Why wouldn't (George) Karl work his butt off to win that game?" and "What a horrible way to end the season" and "Karl just sat there and let the Blazers walk all over the Nuggets" and "Karl never calls a timeout. He lets the other team go on a huge run and never does anything to stop it" and finally "Even if you're getting blown out, there's no excuse not to work hard. Karl makes millions of dollars a year. Why doesn't he work hard?"

I heard more of the same last night when I was hanging in LoDo for a friend's birthday party with about 12 Nuggets fans my age and one Cavaliers fan (also my age, in case you care). I knew most of the guys. But of the few I met for the first time, upon hearing that I was the guy behind this website it became clear to me that the anti-Karl faction is cross-generational. I heard the usual gripes about the Nuggets coach: "You're giving (George) Karl way too much credit for the Nuggets success this season" and "He's the same lazy coach that we saw last season" and "He never calls timeouts when the opposing team goes on a big run" and "He never tries hard and never yells at his players to play harder." When I countered with my standard pro-Karl argument that you can't criticize the coach when the team struggles and yet give him no credit when the team succeeds, to a man each of these Nugget fans replied: "It's all Chauncey (Billups). He's the coach. Karl's just a manager. Not a good coach."

(In case you're curious, the lone Cavaliers fan didn't participate in this discussion. Instead he just vented about how much he hates the Broncos. Which, given that he's from Cleveland, I could totally understand.)

I'm bringing this up because on the eve of the Nuggets first opening round playoff home game in 21 years at the conclusion of a fantastic 54-win season, there's still a huge anti-Karl contingency within Nuggets Nation, fair or not. And it's not just in the comments on this blog or among the fans I speak to directly that you see and hear it. You can hear it on local sports radio whenever the Nuggets are discussed, hear it among the fans at Pepsi Center and see it in the comments of almost every game recap or editorial in the Denver Post.

And it's not just the fans who remain Karl's biggest skeptics.

The Denver Post's Mark Kiszla - a longtime Karl critic who curiously was spared the criticism I received for calling out Karl's poor performance last season (I guess you're allowed to criticize the coach when you're a vetted newspaper writer, but not as a ticket-paying fan) - recently wrote:

"While Stan Van Gundy of Orlando and Rick Adelman of Houston are deserving candidates, the real NBA coach of the year is from Denver, if you're asking me. No, not George Karl. It was Billups who installed a brain on this team..."

And ESPN.com's Bill Simmons when discussing Billups' MVP candidacy, wrote:

"He helped a hopelessly dysfunctional team - yes, I'm including the coach - find common ground, almost like 'Supernanny'..."

And on Thursday's version of The Sports Guys on 104.3 The Fan, Sandy Clough responded to a caller asking about Karl's future should (god forbid) the Nuggets (in the most unlikely scenario) lose to the Hornets by saying that it depends on how the Nuggets play and how many games it takes before losing.

The point is that Karl - in spite of those 54 wins - is still on thin ice, at least among the fans who support the organization by buying tickets, parking passes, beer at the games, apparel, merchandise, those foam Rocky hats and so forth. And frankly, Karl should be on thin ice. You or I would be, too, if we were paid $3 million a year and had a 3-16 playoff record to show for it. It's one thing for the Nuggets to lose to teams clearly better than them in the playoffs each season. But it's another to lose without ever throwing a counter punch or bothering to make it interesting. And Karl's antics - refusing to call those timeouts to stem opposing team runs, work the refs or stand up until the latter half of the fourth quarter - simply aren't acceptable when the team flames out in the playoffs.

I'm not trying to bag on Karl before the playoffs begin (after all, I've been bullish on Karl since the 21st game of the season and believe he deserves Coach of the Year consideration). Rather, I'm hoping someone sneaks this article to Karl so he realizes that Nuggets fans still don't have faith in him and need to be proven wrong. If you look at Karl's career historically, he seems to coach best when the "experts" and fans count him and his team out.

Remember Karl's 1991-92 Seattle Supersonics who were 20-20 before Karl showed up and guided them to a 47-win season and a playoff series win? Or Karl's 1995-96 Sonics who went all the way to the NBA Finals after being the first number one seed in NBA history to lose to a number eight seed in 1994 followed by being just one of four two-seeds in NBA history to lose to a seventh-seed in 1995? Or Karl's 1998-99 Miwaukee Bucks who made the postseason - in Karl's first season with the team - after a seven year drought? And of course Denver fans remember the 2004-05 Nuggets that Karl inherited at 17-25 and led them to a Nuggets NBA franchise sixth-best 49 wins.

In hindsight, the 2008-09 Nuggets were set up perfectly for Karl to have one of his most successful regular seasons ever. Nationwide NBA "experts" and the local guys who cover the team universally had the Nuggets pegged as a ninth or tenth-seeded Western Conference team after Nuggets management slashed payroll - an indictment perhaps on Karl's past performance - by ridding the organization of their starting center in Marcus Camby and Karl's favorite player in Eduardo Najera. Meanwhile, the Nuggets (astutely) re-signed Karl's least favorite player, J.R. Smith, and (also astutely) refused to part ways with Karl's sparring partner, Carmelo Anthony. With the deck stacked against him, Karl delivered his best coaching performance with the Nuggets since that 2004-05 campaign. Now the question is: will it continue into the postseason?

For Karl's sake and ours, I hope he proves his doubters wrong so we can move on to Round 2 worried about how the Nuggets will dismantle the Spurs or Mavericks, rather than waste our breath fretting about Karl's future with the team.

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Sandy Clough has lost all respect from me for the stance he's taken on Karl. He's an asshole to the listeners and he's wrong in the process. How does that guy still have a job

Whoo hoo, first poster! (GAY)

by Eric K on Apr 18, 2009 5:22 PM MDT reply actions  

GO NUGGETS!

by sepioes on Apr 18, 2009 6:02 PM MDT reply actions  

"For Karl's sake and ours, I hope he proves his doubters wrong"

You know what, I hope that for Melo's sake he is the one who proves his doubters wrong. I hope for K-Mart's sake he proves his doubters wrong. I hope for JR's sake he proves his doubters wrong. All of these guys have been boneheads in one way or another for different periods of time here and if anyone has something to prove, it goes to them too. They are going to be the ones out there playing the game. I hope they step up and do it. If not, we're going to hear about Karl this, Karl that, and maybe some of that is justified, but is Karl the only one who has something to prove? Really? I think not.

by grantarchy on Apr 18, 2009 6:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Karl is the biggest x-factor in the playoffs for the nuggets. whether he does something to poison the team or not will determine whether nugs make it to the WCFs.

Consider this all-too plausible scenario: in game 1 or 2, JR jacks up a couple ill-advised threes. now, while karl has let this slide most of the season since JR brings an overwhelming net positive to the team, he decides this wont fly in the playoffs. he quickly yanks JR, sits him for a quarter and a half, throws him under the bus in the post-game press conference, jerks around his minutes in subsequent games, ruining his confidence and causing a huge team distraction. and voila: the recipe for a first round exit.

This is what Karl does. he pulls the rug out from under the team for no discernible reason in the playoffs. But the big hope this year is that Chauncey will be able to keep the peace. let us pray.

by kenoshakid on Apr 18, 2009 9:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Jeff Van Gundy nailed it... terrible matchup for Portland.

by john on Apr 18, 2009 10:34 PM MDT reply actions  

and speaking of matchups...could the nuggets have done any better? since no's 2 gaurd is weak, the nuggs can play d jones vs paul, and let chauncey roam. and even better, their 2nd best player will be guarded by kmart. i like kmart vs west. and even going 1 step further, melo guarding stoyo... not like melo leaves his man to help often anyway... staying home should be easy.

And who guards melo?

Light them the fuck up boys!!!!

I havent been this excited for a nuggets games since game 3 vs SA a few years ago after we took game 1.

by John on Apr 18, 2009 10:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Damn Andrew those sound like the kind of people I want to kicki it with! I feel I could find some common ground fairly easily. Good read, loved the side-story to go along with the post.

Grantarchy I have got to totally agree with. Everybody (other than Chauncy) has something to prove in this series, but especially Melo. This is a great chance to eclipse the T-Mac comparisons.

John it is my bet they will have Posey, who just happens to be a great defender, on Melo.

by Goldennugget on Apr 19, 2009 12:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Couple of quotes from a DP article:

"When we pass the basketball, we are good," Nuggets coach George Karl said. "When we are selfish with the basketball, hold the basketball, not making good decisions, offensively, there's a frustration that we have to stay away from."

Said Nuggets assistant coach Chad Iske: "Everybody knows we're an individually talented team, especially offensively, and defensive game plans are geared toward stopping that. And when you're a competitor and you want to win, you just trust yourself more than anybody else and you sometimes force the situation — but you've got to trust each other. We have enough talent that we think we can be hard to stop when we're playing together."

..... Clearly talking about Melo without calling him out directly. I really hope Melo elevates his game and gets his teammates involved. I'd love to see him "mellow" early, not forcing the action. If he goes 2-9 in the first quarter or something like that, I'll be worried.

GO NUGGETS!

by Bee on Apr 19, 2009 8:43 AM MDT reply actions  

Some hopeful stats. Melo grabbed 9.5 rpg's last playoffs, and 4.8 offensive. WOW Granted Iverson was a big part of that. However Melo certainly raised his effort level. There are going to be enough carooms to go around and I'm hoping he repeats last years focus.

LOL GN Cmon John, shoulda seen that.

by NugzD on Apr 19, 2009 11:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Anyone who was upset about how Karl played the Portland game has no understanding of NBA basketball. The objective of that game was to get it over fast and to get out of town with no injuries. That game was meaningless to the Nuggets and they were ready to get the regular season over with and move on to the Playoffs. 30 out of 30 NBA coaches would have played it the same way.

by Anonymous on Apr 19, 2009 11:45 AM MDT reply actions  

posey is a starter? i thought he was hurt... is stoyo their starting 2 guard?

by john on Apr 19, 2009 6:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Melo is going to pound Posey.

Everybody is overrating this guy.

by john on Apr 19, 2009 6:12 PM MDT reply actions  

You hang out with spot on people that know what they are talking about, when it comes to the Nuggets.

by samiamb on Apr 19, 2009 6:40 PM MDT reply actions  

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