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The five best trades in Nuggets history...

With the Nuggets matching their NBA second best win total of 52 games yesterday - with four games remaining - largely due to the acquisition and solid play of Chauncey Billups, it will be tempting for Nuggets fans to call this the greatest trade in franchise history. But is it really? The jury is still out until we see this team perform in the post-season and how Chauncey wraps up his career in Denver, but I think it's safe to say it cracks the top-five list. So what trades could possibly have been better?

In order to make this list, I took into account the following:

-The state of the team prior to the trade being made and post-trade (i.e. how much better did the Nuggets get in the short and long term?).

-The post-trade career had by the acquired player as well as the departed player.

-The cost of the trade (i.e. what did we have to give up and was it worth it?).

Please note that I've included the Nuggets NBA era only, as most ABA trades were regional or monetary-driven and thus aren't apples to apples comparisons to modern day acquisitions.

Honorable Mention (in reverse order)

October 23rd, 1992 - Nuggets acquire Robert Pack from the Portland Trailblazers for a second round pick

June 24th, 1998 - Nuggets acquire Nick Van Exel from the Los Angeles Lakers for Tony Battie and the rights to Tyronne Lue

November 2nd, 1987 - Nuggets acquire Michael Adams and Jay Vincent from the Washington Bullets for Mark Alarie and Darrell Walker

BEST TRADE #5: July 20th, 2006 - Nuggets acquire J.R. Smith from the Chicago Bulls for Howard Eisley and two second round picks

Already loaded with a roster featuring Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Marcus Camby, Nene, Linas Kleiza, Eduardo Najera and Earl Watson, the Nuggets GM trio of Mark Warkentien, Rex Chapman and Bret Bearup fleeced the Bulls with the acquisition of Smith. Sure, Smith had well documented maturity problems with the Hornets and the Bulls were concerned about how he'd mesh with coach Scott Skiles, but Eisley played for the Nuggets for all of 19 games in 2005-06 and never touched an NBA basketball court again. And those two second round picks? One turned into Aaron Gray and the other into JamesOn (not a misspelling) Curry. But what can we expect from Bulls' GM John Paxson who also refused to part ways with Luol Deng to acquire Kevin Garnett. The Smith trade has already paid dividends for the Nuggets and will continue to do so for years to come.

BEST TRADE #4: November 3rd, 2008 - Nuggets acquire Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess and Cheikh "Magnet" Samb from the Detroit Pistons for Allen Iverson

As noted above, the jury is still out for where this trade will ultimately rank in the pantheon of great Nuggets trades, but as of today it's the fourth best of all time. Not only has Billups radically changed the culture of the Nuggets (they are an astounding 51-23 since he re-joined the organization), but the Pistons got precipitously worse with the acquisition of Iverson, who showed up at Nuggets training camp sluggish and out of shape. Believe it or not, the Pistons were 4-0 before Iverson showed up and have gone on to be 33-40 since. Ouch. The big question will be how does this trade look down the road when Billups is making $13 million two seasons from now? But for now, this looks like one of the great trades not just in Nuggets history, but NBA history.

BEST TRADE #3: June 26, 2002 - Nuggets acquire Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and the draft rights to Maybyner "Nene" Hilario from the New York Knicks for Antonio McDyess, the rights to Frank Williams and a second round pick

I call this trade Kiki Vandeweghe's Greatest Masterpiece, because that's exactly what it was. Four years removed from another ballsy Vandeweghe trade when he jettisoned the awful contracts of Nick Van Excel, Raef LaFrentz, Avery Johnson and Tariq Abdul-Wahad to Dallas for Juwan Howard, Donnell Harvey, Tim Hardaway and a first round pick that set the Nuggets on the path to regular season success they've remained on since, Vandeweghe swindled his Knicks counterpart, Scott Layden (not saying much if you knew Layden's track record) into acquiring the oft-injured McDyess. Not only would Camby give the Nuggets his most productive and healthiest NBA seasons and Nene, when healthy, would go on to become a solid power forward, but McDyess would re-injure his knee in an exhibition game for the Knicks and play only 18 games for that organization.

BEST TRADE #2: June 7th, 1984 - Nuggets acquire Lafayette "Fat" Lever, Calvin Natt, Wayne Cooper and a first and second round draft pick from the Portland Trailblazers for Kiki Vandeweghe

Had Calvin Natt stayed healthy, this might have been the best trade in Nuggets history. But unlike the other trades on this list, the Blazers didn't exactly get screwed here. In his first three seasons as a Blazer, Vandeweghe averaged about 25 points per game, shot well over 50% and the Blazers made the playoffs, losing in the first round each year. But then Vandeweghe got hurt in the 1987-88 season and was never the same player again. Meanwhile, for the first two seasons after the trade, Nuggets GM Vince Boryla looked like a genius. In the first season with the three newly acquired players, the Nuggets won an NBA franchise best 52 games and made their lone conference finals appearance. With Lever the Nuggets had their franchise best point guard, with Natt an All-Star calibre power forward (who most unfortunately kicked off the Nuggets power forward curse in his third season as a Nugget), and Coop anchored the center position admirably, averaging 2.7 blocks per game to go along with 12.5 points and 7.8 rebounds in his first two seasons in Denver. Oh, and Lever and Cooper founded the Fat Lever/Wayne Cooper Basketball Camp which I attended. Perhaps most importantly, the Nuggets used that first round pick to draft Blair Rasmussen in 1985, prompting then head coach Doug Moe to use the word "Stiff" more often than ever.

BEST TRADE #1: February 1st, 1980 - Nuggets acquire Alex English and a first round pick from the Indiana Pacers for George McGinnis

While the Billups-for-Iverson trade is notable for how good Billups still is and how poorly Iverson has looked this season, rarely does a trade come along where you get a future Hall of Famer nowhere near the peak of his career for a former All-Star on the downside of his career. That's exactly what the Nuggets did when they were able to unload McGinnis - whose best years were spent with the ABA's Pacers - for English, who would go on to become the best Nugget of all-time, appear in eight All-Star games, finish 15th in all-time NBA scoring and lead the Nuggets to nine consecutive playoff appearances, including a franchise record 54-win season in 1987-88.

English remains one of the most underrated players in NBA history and still doesn't get his due (I guess "Amazing Grace and Chuck" was that bad). Being left off the NBA's 50 Greatest list in particular was an atrocity. If you have a spare moment, I strongly encourage you to look at English's career stats. Not only was he a prolific scorer, but he was a respectable rebounder, dished out a number of assists and was remarkably durable. During English's 10 full seasons in Denver, he missed a total of seven games. Seven!!

So as we get nostalgic in the coming weeks thanks to this current Nuggets squad's terrific run at the all-time franchise wins record of 55, lets not forget the days when English and Lever were winning playoff series with regularity.

(Kudos to Denver Stiffs reader Zach F. for suggesting this article!)

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yo you should put
"People that use annynomus as they name" on the stiff list.

by Anonymous on Apr 6, 2009 12:24 PM MDT reply actions  

I love Alex but the team didn't do much until the Lever-Natt-Copper trade. Natt was a warrior and if he hadn't kept playing on a badly injured knee would have a great career. My favorite Natt moment was watching him pull down an offensive rebound against Olajuwan and Sampson and then putting it back in. You couldn't even see him between 2 guys and was playing basically on 1 leg.

by Anonymous on Apr 6, 2009 12:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Ummmm...Where is the rights to have NJ not match Kenyon Martin's obscene contract for three first round picks. Best Trade Evah!!!

-Mordecai

by Anonymous on Apr 6, 2009 12:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Trade number 3 has to have the wrong date on it for year. We got Nene before Melo...

I still remember when Kiki came into the BSG at Pepsi Center to announce that trade. One fan just started ripping on poor Kiki after he announced the trade to season ticket holders. She was so fired up about trading away McDyess for "nothing" as she called it. Every day I laugh because we got Nene and Camby out of that deal. Not bad, Kiki, not bad. At the time I had done a lot of internet research on Nene, so I was fired up. Admittedly, I wasn't so thrilled about Camby, but that turned out to be a fun ride, too.

by Anonymous on Apr 6, 2009 1:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Good catch on the date, Anonymous. That was just a typo. Fixed!

-Andrew

by Andrew on Apr 6, 2009 1:15 PM MDT reply actions  

great piece and great analysis. although, at the end of the day, I suspect we'll be ranking the Chauncey trade higher than #4...

by Brett on Apr 6, 2009 1:48 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree - this trade will move up some. It would already be #2 or so if they had convinced McDyess to stay...Can you imagine, they'd be legitimate contenders with L.A. if he was on the team. Too small to compete with L.A. for 7 now...

by KarlSucks on Apr 6, 2009 3:28 PM MDT reply actions  

McDyess would have definately sealed the 2nd all time best trade for the Nuggets, but he fudged it, and for what?

McDyess is kicking himself in Detroit right now. Joke's on him. He gets the pleasure of facing the Cavs in the 1st round, and that's if they make the post season. That's what pride will get you McDyess. (I admit I never liked Dyess. He always looked like he just didn't care about the game.)

Great post though Andrew. I wish I were in Denver during English's hayday. I would probably have a greater appreciation for what he did for this club.

by joelsopinion on Apr 6, 2009 4:28 PM MDT reply actions  

McDyess would have definately sealed the 2nd all time best trade for the Nuggets, but he fudged it, and for what?

McDyess is kicking himself in Detroit right now. Joke's on him. He gets the pleasure of facing the Cavs in the 1st round, and that's if they make the post season. That's what pride will get you McDyess. (I admit I never liked Dyess. He always looked like he just didn't care about the game.)

Great post though Andrew. I wish I were in Denver during English's hayday. I would probably have a greater appreciation for what he did for this club.

by joelsopinion on Apr 6, 2009 4:29 PM MDT reply actions  

sorry about the double comment.

by joelsopinion on Apr 6, 2009 4:30 PM MDT reply actions  

"McDyess is kicking himself in Detroit right now. Joke's on him. He gets the pleasure of facing the Cavs in the 1st round, and that's if they make the post season. That's what pride will get you McDyess."

This assumes that McDyess cares about winning, which he doesn't. He cares about getting sleep and not disrupting his daily routine. I've never seen a player whose attitude and emotion had such little correlation to the game score or team record as when McDyess was in Denver. Great guy...but not a leader, not a winner, just a guy with a lot of athleticism and talent who happens to play basketball.

by Sea Note on Apr 6, 2009 5:23 PM MDT reply actions  

There was one bad thing about the McDyess to NY trade. Kiki knew that Nene was coming so he felt he had insurance to allow him to draft Nikoloz Tskitishvilli.

Thursty

by Anonymous on Apr 6, 2009 5:42 PM MDT reply actions  

gotta show a little bit of love for AI don't you think? the team's record did improve and they made playoffs twice with him. it was just what they did in the playoffs that didn't work. can't say andre miller and that were working for us anyway. and it was good for the organisation's name and for ticket sales :P

by Anonymous on Apr 6, 2009 7:30 PM MDT reply actions  

I like the first guy who posts anonymous then says you should put anonymous posters on the stiff list, lol. I agree though, there shouldn't be any anonymous posters here. It's really not that hard to click Name/URL and post a freakin name so we can address each other here.
Great post as usual though Andrew. I love your knowledge of the Nuggets. I am fairly young and haven't been watching the Nuggets but for about 6 years but I love NBA history and I too can totally see your argument about Alex English. It is unbelievable how underrated and underapriciated he is. But is there seriously a dude with the name of JamesOn? That is just incredible that somebody would name someone that and actually spell it like that, wow.

by Goldennugget on Apr 6, 2009 10:52 PM MDT reply actions  

I think it's kind of funny that two of the comments on here (Joel and GoldenNugget) haven't been following the Nuggets for too long but they always have the most to say. Not that I mind b/c their comments are pretty accurate and entertaining to read. I've been a Nuggets fan ever since I could say Alex English. I don't really have a point, but I guess what I'm saying is that it's just nice seeing the team play the way they are after all these years. Joel and GoldenNugget keep up the great commenting and Great blog Andrew keep it going.

by Mike on Apr 7, 2009 1:35 AM MDT reply actions  

I guess I'm the only one who get the liberty of being fairly young but still remembering Alex English, but then again I became a nuggets fan when i was a wee lad

by Zachm219 on Apr 7, 2009 1:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Alex English led the 80's in scoring...amazing stat considering he didn't get in the best 50 ever. Travesty!

Despite this injustice, i am smiling today because i wont have to watch Manu flop and wretch all over the floor. He's a great player, and seems to be a nice guy, but i'm tired of his act.

by john on Apr 7, 2009 5:09 AM MDT reply actions  

One of the reasons Alex English doesn't get his due is that there wasn't anything flashy about him. He'd make a few jumpers, making it look easy and at the end of the game you'd look at the box and find out that those few easy jumpers amounted to 30 points.
One thing that English could do that I've never seen another player at any level be able to do and that was to consistently hit the jumper when the jump took him sideways to the basket. Think of a fall away jump shot where you're falling away sideways to the basket instead of away from the basket. The reason that shot is so difficult is that it's the equivalent of hitting a shot while the basket is moving to one side. English regularly hit that one every game and it is nearly impossible to defend or block because he's going around the defender while in the air.
Just a little note of explanation for you young whippersnappers.

Thursty

by Anonymous on Apr 7, 2009 8:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Andre Miller took this team from 17 wins to 42 wins the next season and an 8th place playoff seed. Next season Andre took them to 49 wins and dominated Game 1 @ San Antonio before falling to the eventual NBA Champs the Spurs 4-1. Don't knock Andre Miller, please. He did more for the Nuggets than AI and was a much better point guard.

by Anonymous on Apr 7, 2009 9:17 AM MDT reply actions  

I grew up on the East Coast and didn't get to see Alex English very often. But I certainly appreciated his game when I did get the chance. One of those guys who when you looked up had scored 34 points and you're like, dude scored 34? Just plain smooth and let the game come to him. A lot like Bernard King from the Knicks in that same era. If Alex had played on the East or West Coast he'd have received much more press. No doubt.

by KnowKnow on Apr 7, 2009 11:50 AM MDT reply actions  

Regarding McDyess, he just wanted to take another pound of flesh out of the Nuggets. That's one bitter dude. I wonder how he would have gotten along with Birdman?

by KnowKnow on Apr 7, 2009 11:52 AM MDT reply actions  

GoldenNugget,

I like the JamesOn, but my favorite name is Craphonso Ja'won Thorpe, a football player. The first name is pronouced Crafonzo, but I always read it as Crap-Honzo. Can you imagine growing up with that name, what the other kids would do to you?

by KarlSucks on Apr 7, 2009 4:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Craphonso? You have got to be kidding me. Why in the world would you put the word "crap" in any part of your child's name? And even on top of that why would you spell it "ph" instead of just with an "f". Stupid people never cease to amaze me, ever.

by Goldennugget on Apr 7, 2009 9:22 PM MDT reply actions  

I think the ranking is spot on the money (did I mix up some shit ... oh well). Chauncy's trade moves up IF the Nugs win the championship or even get there. But the Al English trade is #1 with the Fat Lever/Natt/Cooper trade #1B. Loved both trades. Fat Lever was the pure shit. Natt was a man and Cooper did his thing. Great post, great list.

by DeAngelo Starnes on Apr 8, 2009 12:43 AM MDT reply actions  

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